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The Summary Of Al-fathiah by ybalogs(m): 4:28am On May 07
Al-Faatiha(The Opening)
الفاتحة
Chapter no. 1

The honorable Surah Al-Fatihah contains seven Ayat including the praise and thanks of Allah, glorifying Him and praising Him by mentioning His most Beautiful Names and most high Attributes. It also mentions the Hereafter, which is the Day of Resurrection, and directs Allah's servants to ask of Him, invoking Him and declaring that all power and strength comes from Him. It also calls to the sincerity of the worship of Allah alone, singling Him out in His divinity, believing in His perfection, being free from the need of any partners, having no rivals nor equals. Al-Fatihah directs the believers to invoke Allah to guide them to the straight path, which is the true religion, and to help them remain on that path in this life, and to pass over the actual Sirat (bridge over hell that everyone must pass over) on the Day of Judgment. On that Day, the believers will be directed to the gardens of comfort in the company of the Prophets, the truthful ones, the martyrs and the righteous. Al-Fatihah also encourages performing good deeds, so that the believers will be in the company of the good-doers on the Day of Resurrection. The Surah also warns against following the paths of misguidance, so that one does not end up being gathered with those who indulge in sin, on the Day of Resurrection, including those who have earned the anger and those who were led astray.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 8:37am On May 07
ybalogs:
Al-Faatiha(The Opening)
الفاتحة
Chapter no. 1

The honorable Surah Al-Fatihah contains seven Ayat including the praise and thanks of Allah, glorifying Him and praising Him by mentioning His most Beautiful Names and most high
You Moslems claim that the Koran is Allah's words.
In other words, Allah is the one speaking in it.

Notice that nothing here says that Allah said something to the effect like ' O Moslems praise me like this'. He is the one making the direct statements.

If so, who is Allah praising here?
Who is he invoking?

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by Lovecars501(m): 8:43am On May 07
sagenaija:

You Moslems claim that the Koran is Allah's words.
In other words, Allah is the one speaking in it.

Notice that nothing here says that Allah said something to the effect like ' O Moslems praise me like this'. He is the one making the direct statements.

If so, who is Allah praising here?
Who is he invoking?
Obviously,Allah is praising no one but himself

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 12:11pm On May 07
ybalogs:
Al-Faatiha(The Opening)
الفاتحة
Chapter no. 1

The honorable Surah Al-Fatihah contains seven Ayat including the praise and thanks of Allah, glorifying Him and praising Him by mentioning His most Beautiful Names and most high Attributes. It also mentions the Hereafter, which is the Day of Resurrection, and directs Allah's servants to ask of Him, invoking Him and declaring that all power and strength comes from Him. It also calls to the sincerity of the worship of Allah alone, singling Him out in His divinity, believing in His perfection, being free from the need of any partners, having no rivals nor equals. Al-Fatihah directs the believers to invoke Allah to guide them to the straight path, which is the true religion, and to help them remain on that path in this life, and to pass over the actual Sirat (bridge over hell that everyone must pass over) on the Day of Judgment. On that Day, the believers will be directed to the gardens of comfort in the company of the Prophets, the truthful ones, the martyrs and the righteous. Al-Fatihah also encourages performing good deeds, so that the believers will be in the company of the good-doers on the Day of Resurrection. The Surah also warns against following the paths of misguidance, so that one does not end up being gathered with those who indulge in sin, on the Day of Resurrection, including those who have earned the anger and those who were led astray.

Your religion does not make sense because your good deeds or bad deeds are not the determinant of your final destination.
It is what Allah has written for you b4 you were born that will take you to hell or heaven, going by your books;

Hadith
A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:

Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 1:04pm On May 07
Lovecars501:
Obviously,Allah is praising no one but himself
Note again that Allah didn't 'Say as follows Oh my slaves: ......' . Nothing to that effect. These are the direct words of Allah saying the statement in the first person.

So, if we go with the same logic, when we get to verse 5 of the same portion it says "It is You we worship and You we ask for help." Is Allah worshipping Allah? Because Allah, speaking here, is SAYING 'It is you we worship.......'.

And in verse 6 "Guide us to the straight path" who is Allah asking for guidance?

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 2:16pm On May 07
sagenaija:

Note again that Allah didn't 'Say as follows Oh my slaves: ......' . Nothing to that effect. These are the direct words of Allah saying the statement in the first person.

So, if we go with the same logic, when we get to verse 5 of the same portion it says "It is You we worship and You we ask for help." Is Allah worshipping Allah? Because Allah, speaking here, is SAYING 'It is you we worship.......'.

And in verse 6 "Guide us to the straight path" who is Allah asking for guidance?

Continue misguiding the already misguided.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 3:58pm On May 07
mhmsadyq:


Continue misguiding the already misguided.

It is unfortunate that you Muslims dont reason despite the truth presented to you from your books.
Did you consider what @sagenaija posted ? I am sure you didn't , if not , you would have debunked him .

The truth you know is what will set you free and the truth known too late is disastrous.

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 5:15pm On May 07
enilove:


It is unfortunate that you Muslims dont reason despite the truth presented to you from your books.
Did you consider what @sagenaija posted ? I am sure you didn't , if not , you would have debunked him .

The truth you know is what will set you free and the truth known too late is disastrous.

What does a Trinitarian know about The Truth? Absolutely nothing.

[37:162] Al-Ṣaffāt-الصَّافَّات
"مَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عَلَیۡہِ بِفٰتِنِیۡنَ ﴿۱۶۲﴾ۙ
You all cannot misguide (anyone against Allah),
[37:163] Al-Ṣaffāt-الصَّافَّات
"اِلَّا مَنۡ ہُوَ صَالِ الۡجَحِیۡمِ ﴿۱۶۳﴾
Except the one who is bound to fall into Hell.

Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by Lovecars501(m): 8:54pm On May 07
sagenaija:

Note again that Allah didn't 'Say as follows Oh my slaves: ......' . Nothing to that effect. These are the direct words of Allah saying the statement in the first person.

So, if we go with the same logic, when we get to verse 5 of the same portion it says "It is You we worship and You we ask for help." Is Allah worshipping Allah? Because Allah, speaking here, is SAYING 'It is you we worship.......'.

And in verse 6 "Guide us to the straight path" who is Allah asking for guidance?
Allah isn't asking anyone for guidance,he is teaching us to worship him
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 10:38pm On May 07
mhmsadyq:

What does a Trinitarian know about The Truth? Absolutely nothing.

[37:162] Al-Ṣaffāt-الصَّافَّات
"مَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عَلَیۡہِ بِفٰتِنِیۡنَ ﴿۱۶۲﴾ۙ
You all cannot misguide (anyone against Allah),
[37:163] Al-Ṣaffāt-الصَّافَّات
"اِلَّا مَنۡ ہُوَ صَالِ الۡجَحِیۡمِ ﴿۱۶۳﴾
Except the one who is bound to fall into Hell.

It is the Trinitarians that your prophet was commanded by Allah to go and learn from :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ  ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94)

When we the Trinitarians are talking , you keep your opinion under your underwear. And remember , you are slaves but we are children of God.

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 11:03pm On May 07
Lovecars501:
Allah isn't asking anyone for guidance,he is teaching us to worship him
Can you show us exactly where he is teaching you to worship him?
Is there anywhere in that portion where Allah says 'When you worship me do it like this'?
Or are you magically REINTERPRETING the Koran to align with your expectations?

Please apply some common sense. Allah is speaking. And Allah says 'It is you we worship'. And nowhere in that portion did Allah say that he is teaching his slaves how to worship him but somehow in your heads you see it as Allah teaching you. Then the Moslem brain must be something else. To be a Moslem then must mean SUSPENDING most of the brain functions.

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by NdaKingi: 6:15am On May 08
enilove:


It is the Trinitarians that your prophet was commanded by Allah to go and learn from :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ  ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94)

When we the Trinitarians are talking , you keep your opinion under your underwear. And remember , you are slaved but we are children of God.





At least you believe that verse of the Qur'an.
Only that I didn't get the part that include Trinitarians.

This is what Allah says about Trinity Gods and Trinitarians:

[5:72] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ہُوَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ ؕ وَ قَالَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ یٰبَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ اعۡبُدُوا اللّٰہَ رَبِّیۡ وَ رَبَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّہٗ مَنۡ یُّشۡرِکۡ بِاللّٰہِ فَقَدۡ حَرَّمَ اللّٰہُ عَلَیۡہِ الۡجَنَّۃَ وَ مَاۡوٰىہُ النَّارُ ؕ وَ مَا لِلظّٰلِمِیۡنَ مِنۡ اَنۡصَارٍ ﴿۷۲﴾

In fact, they have become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary),’ whereas the Messiah (himself) said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, Who is my (as well as) your Lord.’ Indeed, Allah has forbidden Paradise to him who associates partners with Him. And Hell is his abode and the wrongdoers will not find any helpers.

[5:73] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ثَالِثُ ثَلٰثَۃٍ ۘ وَ مَا مِنۡ اِلٰہٍ اِلَّاۤ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ وَ اِنۡ لَّمۡ یَنۡتَہُوۡا عَمَّا یَقُوۡلُوۡنَ لَیَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡہُمۡ عَذَابٌ اَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۷۳﴾

Certainly, they (also) become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the third of the three (Gods),’ whereas there is none worthy of worship except the One God. If they do not desist from (the absurdity) which they utter, a grievous punishment will surely torment those of them who disbelieve.
[5:75] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"مَا الۡمَسِیۡحُ ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ اِلَّا رَسُوۡلٌ ۚ قَدۡ خَلَتۡ مِنۡ قَبۡلِہِ الرُّسُلُ ؕ وَ اُمُّہٗ صِدِّیۡقَۃٌ ؕ کَانَا یَاۡکُلٰنِ الطَّعَامَ ؕ اُنۡظُرۡ کَیۡفَ نُبَیِّنُ لَہُمُ الۡاٰیٰتِ ثُمَّ انۡظُرۡ اَنّٰی یُؤۡفَکُوۡنَ ﴿۷۵﴾

The Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary), is (nothing) but a Messenger (neither a god nor a son of God nor His partner). Many Messengers have indeed preceded him, and his mother was a paragon of truth (a saintly person). Both (were mortal creatures as they) used to eat food. (O Beloved!) Observe how clearly We explain the Revelations for their (guidance), but again observe how (in spite of that) they are turning away (from the truth)!

[5:76] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"قُلۡ اَتَعۡبُدُوۡنَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ مَا لَا یَمۡلِکُ لَکُمۡ ضَرًّا وَّ لَا نَفۡعًا ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡعَلِیۡمُ ﴿۷۶﴾

Say: ‘Do you worship besides Allah someone that has no power to do you any harm or good? Allah is the One Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’
[5:77] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"قُلۡ یٰۤاَہۡلَ الۡکِتٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُوۡا فِیۡ دِیۡنِکُمۡ غَیۡرَ الۡحَقِّ وَ لَا تَتَّبِعُوۡۤا اَہۡوَآءَقَوۡمٍ قَدۡ ضَلُّوۡا مِنۡ قَبۡلُ وَ اَضَلُّوۡا کَثِیۡرًا وَّ ضَلُّوۡا عَنۡ سَوَآءِ السَّبِیۡلِ ﴿٪۷۷﴾

Say: ‘O People of the Book! Do not unjustly exceed limits in your din (religion), nor follow the desires of those who lost the straight path (before Muhammad’s Prophethood [blessings and peace be upon him]) and (also) caused a number of (others) to go astray and remained deviated from the straight road (even after Muhammad’s Prophethood [blessings and peace be upon him]).’

[31:13] Luqmān-لُقْمَان
"وَ اِذۡ قَالَ لُقۡمٰنُ لِابۡنِہٖ وَ ہُوَ یَعِظُہٗ یٰبُنَیَّ لَا تُشۡرِکۡ بِاللّٰہِ ؕؔ اِنَّ الشِّرۡکَ لَظُلۡمٌ عَظِیۡمٌ ﴿۱۳﴾

And (recall) when Luqman said to his son as he was advising him: ‘O my son, do not set up partners with Allah. Verily, associating partners with Allah is a very grave injustice.’

I hope you can reference these verses in your book.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 8:25am On May 08
NdaKingi:


At least you believe that verse of the Qur'an.
Only that I didn't get the part that include Trinitarians.

This is what Allah says about Trinity Gods and Trinitarians:

[5:72] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ہُوَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ ؕ وَ قَالَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ یٰبَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ اعۡبُدُوا اللّٰہَ رَبِّیۡ وَ رَبَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّہٗ مَنۡ یُّشۡرِکۡ بِاللّٰہِ فَقَدۡ حَرَّمَ اللّٰہُ عَلَیۡہِ الۡجَنَّۃَ وَ مَاۡوٰىہُ النَّارُ ؕ وَ مَا لِلظّٰلِمِیۡنَ مِنۡ اَنۡصَارٍ ﴿۷۲﴾

In fact, they have become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary),’ whereas the Messiah (himself) said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, Who is my (as well as) your Lord.’ Indeed, Allah has forbidden Paradise to him who associates partners with Him. And Hell is his abode and the wrongdoers will not find any helpers.

[5:73] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ثَالِثُ ثَلٰثَۃٍ ۘ وَ مَا مِنۡ اِلٰہٍ اِلَّاۤ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ وَ اِنۡ لَّمۡ یَنۡتَہُوۡا عَمَّا یَقُوۡلُوۡنَ لَیَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡہُمۡ عَذَابٌ اَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۷۳﴾

Certainly, they (also) become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the third of the three (Gods),’ whereas there is none worthy of worship except the One God. If they do not desist from (the absurdity) which they utter, a grievous punishment will surely torment those of them who disbelieve.
[5:75] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"مَا الۡمَسِیۡحُ ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ اِلَّا رَسُوۡلٌ ۚ قَدۡ خَلَتۡ مِنۡ قَبۡلِہِ الرُّسُلُ ؕ وَ اُمُّہٗ صِدِّیۡقَۃٌ ؕ کَانَا یَاۡکُلٰنِ الطَّعَامَ ؕ اُنۡظُرۡ کَیۡفَ نُبَیِّنُ لَہُمُ الۡاٰیٰتِ ثُمَّ انۡظُرۡ اَنّٰی یُؤۡفَکُوۡنَ ﴿۷۵﴾

The Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary), is (nothing) but a Messenger (neither a god nor a son of God nor His partner). Many Messengers have indeed preceded him, and his mother was a paragon of truth (a saintly person). Both (were mortal creatures as they) used to eat food. (O Beloved!) Observe how clearly We explain the Revelations for their (guidance), but again observe how (in spite of that) they are turning away (from the truth)!

[5:76] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"قُلۡ اَتَعۡبُدُوۡنَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ مَا لَا یَمۡلِکُ لَکُمۡ ضَرًّا وَّ لَا نَفۡعًا ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡعَلِیۡمُ ﴿۷۶﴾

Say: ‘Do you worship besides Allah someone that has no power to do you any harm or good? Allah is the One Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’
[5:77] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"قُلۡ یٰۤاَہۡلَ الۡکِتٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُوۡا فِیۡ دِیۡنِکُمۡ غَیۡرَ الۡحَقِّ وَ لَا تَتَّبِعُوۡۤا اَہۡوَآءَقَوۡمٍ قَدۡ ضَلُّوۡا مِنۡ قَبۡلُ وَ اَضَلُّوۡا کَثِیۡرًا وَّ ضَلُّوۡا عَنۡ سَوَآءِ السَّبِیۡلِ ﴿٪۷۷﴾

Say: ‘O People of the Book! Do not unjustly exceed limits in your din (religion), nor follow the desires of those who lost the straight path (before Muhammad’s Prophethood [blessings and peace be upon him]) and (also) caused a number of (others) to go astray and remained deviated from the straight road (even after Muhammad’s Prophethood [blessings and peace be upon him]).’

[31:13] Luqmān-لُقْمَان
"وَ اِذۡ قَالَ لُقۡمٰنُ لِابۡنِہٖ وَ ہُوَ یَعِظُہٗ یٰبُنَیَّ لَا تُشۡرِکۡ بِاللّٰہِ ؕؔ اِنَّ الشِّرۡکَ لَظُلۡمٌ عَظِیۡمٌ ﴿۱۳﴾

And (recall) when Luqman said to his son as he was advising him: ‘O my son, do not set up partners with Allah. Verily, associating partners with Allah is a very grave injustice.’

I hope you can reference these verses in your book.

The above means Allah himself will go to hell for associating others with himself :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

لَوْ أَرَدْنَآ أَنْ نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّاتَّخَذْنٰهُ مِنْ لَّدُنَّآ إِنْ كُنَّا فٰعِلِينَ
"Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from [what is] with Us - if [indeed] We were to do so."
(QS. Al-Anbiyaa 21: Verse 17)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظٰمًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظٰمَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنٰهُ خَلْقًا ءَاخَرَ  ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخٰلِقِينَ
"Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, THE BEST OF CREATORS."
(QS. Al-Muminoon 23: Verse 14)

ALLAH COULD TAKE PARNER FROM ''US''. WHO ARE THE US ? This tells you there are other beings like him.

In surah 23:14 , Allah knows he is not a creator because our God is the only Creator.

To say best of creators means there are other creators competing with Allah.
This means Allah associated other creators with himself and he is a liar .
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 12:49pm On May 08
enilove:


The above means Allah himself will go to hell for associating others with himself :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

لَوْ أَرَدْنَآ أَنْ نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّاتَّخَذْنٰهُ مِنْ لَّدُنَّآ إِنْ كُنَّا فٰعِلِينَ
"Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from [what is] with Us - if [indeed] We were to do so."
(QS. Al-Anbiyaa 21: Verse 17)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظٰمًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظٰمَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنٰهُ خَلْقًا ءَاخَرَ  ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخٰلِقِينَ
"Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, THE BEST OF CREATORS."
(QS. Al-Muminoon 23: Verse 14)

ALLAH COULD TAKE PARNER FROM ''US''. WHO ARE THE US ? This tells you there are other beings like him.

In surah 23:14 , Allah knows he is not a creator because our God is the only Creator.

To say best of creators means there are other creators competing with Allah.
This means Allah associated other creators with himself and he is a liar .

[2:255] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"اَللّٰہُ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَۚ اَلۡحَیُّ الۡقَیُّوۡمُ ۬ۚ لَا تَاۡخُذُہٗ سِنَۃٌ وَّ لَا نَوۡمٌ ؕ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ مَنۡ ذَا الَّذِیۡ یَشۡفَعُ عِنۡدَہٗۤ اِلَّا بِاِذۡنِہٖ ؕ یَعۡلَمُ مَا بَیۡنَ اَیۡدِیۡہِمۡ وَ مَا خَلۡفَہُمۡ ۚ وَ لَا یُحِیۡطُوۡنَ بِشَیۡءٍ مِّنۡ عِلۡمِہٖۤ اِلَّا بِمَا شَآءَ ۚ وَسِعَ کُرۡسِیُّہُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ ۚ وَ لَا یَـُٔوۡدُہٗ حِفۡظُہُمَا ۚ وَ ہُوَ الۡعَلِیُّ الۡعَظِیۡمُ ﴿۲۵۵﴾

Allah! None is worthy of worship but He, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsisting, the One Who sustains and protects (the entire universe with His strategy). He is seized by neither slumber nor sleep. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth belongs to Him alone. Who can dare intercede with Him except by His permission? (He) knows all that is (happening or has happened) before the Creation, and all that is (about to happen) after them; and they cannot encompass anything of His knowledge except that which He wills. His Throne (of Empire and Power and Authority) encompasses the heavens and the earth, and the protection of both (the earth and the heavens) does not pose Him any difficulty. And He alone is Most High, Most Great.

[112:1] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"قُلۡ ہُوَ اللّٰہُ اَحَدٌ ۚ﴿۱﴾

(O Esteemed Messenger!) Proclaim: ‘He is Allah, Who is the One.
[112:2] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"اَللّٰہُ الصَّمَدُ ۚ﴿۲﴾

Allah is the Transcendent of all, the Protector and Far-Superior to all.

[112:3] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"لَمۡ یَلِدۡ ۬ۙ وَ لَمۡ یُوۡلَدۡ ۙ﴿۳﴾

He has not begotten any, nor is He begotten.

[112:4] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"وَ لَمۡ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ کُفُوًا اَحَدٌ ٪﴿۴﴾

Nor is there anyone equal to Him.’
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 3:01pm On May 08
mhmsadyq:

[2:255] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"اَللّٰہُ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَۚ اَلۡحَیُّ الۡقَیُّوۡمُ ۬ۚ لَا تَاۡخُذُہٗ سِنَۃٌ وَّ لَا نَوۡمٌ ؕ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ مَنۡ ذَا الَّذِیۡ یَشۡفَعُ عِنۡدَہٗۤ اِلَّا بِاِذۡنِہٖ ؕ یَعۡلَمُ مَا بَیۡنَ اَیۡدِیۡہِمۡ وَ مَا خَلۡفَہُمۡ ۚ وَ لَا یُحِیۡطُوۡنَ بِشَیۡءٍ مِّنۡ عِلۡمِہٖۤ اِلَّا بِمَا شَآءَ ۚ وَسِعَ کُرۡسِیُّہُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ ۚ وَ لَا یَـُٔوۡدُہٗ حِفۡظُہُمَا ۚ وَ ہُوَ الۡعَلِیُّ الۡعَظِیۡمُ ﴿۲۵۵﴾
Allah! None is worthy of worship but He, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsisting, the One Who sustains and protects (the entire universe with His strategy). He is seized by neither slumber nor sleep. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth belongs to Him alone. Who can dare intercede with Him except by His permission? (He) knows all that is (happening or has happened) before the Creation, and all that is (about to happen) after them; and they cannot encompass anything of His knowledge except that which He wills. His Throne (of Empire and Power and Authority) encompasses the heavens and the earth, and the protection of both (the earth and the heavens) does not pose Him any difficulty. And He alone is Most High, Most Great.
[112:1] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"قُلۡ ہُوَ اللّٰہُ اَحَدٌ ۚ﴿۱﴾
(O Esteemed Messenger!) Proclaim: ‘He is Allah, Who is the One.
[112:2] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"اَللّٰہُ الصَّمَدُ ۚ﴿۲﴾
Allah is the Transcendent of all, the Protector and Far-Superior to all.
[112:3] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"لَمۡ یَلِدۡ ۬ۙ وَ لَمۡ یُوۡلَدۡ ۙ﴿۳﴾
He has not begotten any, nor is He begotten.
[112:4] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"وَ لَمۡ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ کُفُوًا اَحَدٌ ٪﴿۴﴾
Nor is there anyone equal to Him.’

Whose words are these above ?
How are you sure these are not man made revelations ?
How can you prove that Allah is not an idol of the ancestors of the quraysh ?
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 5:47pm On May 08
mhmsadyq:

[2:255]
Allah! None is worthy of worship but He, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsisting, the One Who sustains and protects (the entire universe with His strategy). He is seized by neither slumber nor sleep. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth belongs to Him alone. Who can dare intercede with Him except by His permission? (He) knows all that is (happening or has happened) before the Creation, and all that is (about to happen) after them; and they cannot encompass anything of His knowledge except that which He wills. His Throne (of Empire and Power and Authority) encompasses the heavens and the earth, and the protection of both (the earth and the heavens) does not pose Him any difficulty. And He alone is Most High, Most Great.
(O Esteemed Messenger!) Proclaim: ‘He is Allah, Who is the One.
Allah is the Transcendent of all, the Protector and Far-Superior
He has not begotten any, nor is
Nor is there anyone equal to Him.’

Just to answer simple questions enilove asks seem difficult for you.
All you do is resort to quoting the Koran. Even when it doesn't answer the question. You appear to have turned the Koran into a TALISMAN hoping that it will do the work for you. Is the Koran a talisman to you?

It's so difficult for you guys to use reasoning to answer because you are running away from the truth and reality of Islam.

When you face the truth about Islam you know it doesn't hold water. So you resort to ESCAPISM as a defense mechanism to hide from confronting the reality.

You claim that Allah is the one speaking throughout the Koran. And here are statements that CLEARLY do not line up with that claim. And instead of owning up to the flaws in the Koran you resort to running away from confronting the questions.

What a shame!

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 11:15pm On May 08
enilove:


Whose words are these above ?
How are you sure these are not man made revelations ?
How can you prove that Allah is not an idol of the ancestors of the quraysh ?



Read again.

If you can produce a similar evidence of man made revelation like it.

[2:2] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"ذٰلِکَ الۡکِتٰبُ لَا رَیۡبَ ۚۖۛ فِیۡہِ ۚۛ ہُدًی لِّلۡمُتَّقِیۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾

(This is) the Glorious Book in which there is no chance of doubt. (It is) a guide for those who guard against evil and fear Allah:
[2:3] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"الَّذِیۡنَ یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ بِالۡغَیۡبِ وَ یُقِیۡمُوۡنَ الصَّلٰوۃَ وَ مِمَّا رَزَقۡنٰہُمۡ یُنۡفِقُوۡنَ ۙ﴿۳﴾

Those who believe in the unseen, and establish Prayer (fulfilling all its requisites) and spend (in Our way) out of what We have given them;
[2:4] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ الَّذِیۡنَ یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ بِمَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلَیۡکَ وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِکَ ۚ وَ بِالۡاٰخِرَۃِ ہُمۡ یُوۡقِنُوۡنَ ؕ﴿۴﴾

And those who believe in (all) that which has been revealed to you, and that which was revealed before you, and also have (perfect) faith in the Hereafter.
[2:5] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"اُولٰٓئِکَ عَلٰی ہُدًی مِّنۡ رَّبِّہِمۡ ٭ وَ اُولٰٓئِکَ ہُمُ الۡمُفۡلِحُوۡنَ ﴿۵﴾

It is they who follow guidance from their Lord, and it is they who shall achieve real success.
[2:6] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا سَوَآءٌ عَلَیۡہِمۡ ءَاَنۡذَرۡتَہُمۡ اَمۡ لَمۡ تُنۡذِرۡہُمۡ لَا یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ ﴿۶﴾

Verily, those who have adopted disbelief, it is the same for them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.
[2:7] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"خَتَمَ اللّٰہُ عَلٰی قُلُوۡبِہِمۡ وَ عَلٰی سَمۡعِہِمۡ ؕ وَ عَلٰۤی اَبۡصَارِہِمۡ غِشَاوَۃٌ ۫ وَّ لَہُمۡ عَذَابٌ عَظِیۡمٌ ٪﴿۷﴾

Allah (as a result of their own choice) has set a seal on their hearts and their ears, and there is a blindfold (set) over their eyes. And for them there is a severe torment.

Hear Allah speaks relating to objects worship:

[39:1] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"تَنۡزِیۡلُ الۡکِتٰبِ مِنَ اللّٰہِ الۡعَزِیۡزِ الۡحَکِیۡمِ ﴿۱﴾

The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Lord of Honour, All-Wise.
[39:2] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"اِنَّاۤ اَنۡزَلۡنَاۤ اِلَیۡکَ الۡکِتٰبَ بِالۡحَقِّ فَاعۡبُدِ اللّٰہَ مُخۡلِصًا لَّہُ الدِّیۡنَ ؕ﴿۲﴾

Surely, We have revealed (this) Book to you with the truth. So worship Allah for His sake alone in sincere obedience.
[39:3] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"اَلَا لِلّٰہِ الدِّیۡنُ الۡخَالِصُ ؕ وَ الَّذِیۡنَ اتَّخَذُوۡا مِنۡ دُوۡنِہٖۤ اَوۡلِیَآءَ ۘ مَا نَعۡبُدُہُمۡ اِلَّا لِیُقَرِّبُوۡنَاۤ اِلَی اللّٰہِ زُلۡفٰی ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ یَحۡکُمُ بَیۡنَہُمۡ فِیۡ مَا ہُمۡ فِیۡہِ یَخۡتَلِفُوۡنَ ۬ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ لَا یَہۡدِیۡ مَنۡ ہُوَ کٰذِبٌ کَفَّارٌ ﴿۳﴾

(Say to the peoplesmiley ‘Listen! Sincere obedience and worship is only Allah’s due.’ And those (disbelievers) who have taken (idols as) helpers other than Allah (say in false justification of their idol-worshipsmiley ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah.’ Surely, Allah will judge between them concerning the matter in which they differ. Certainly, Allah does not give guidance to the one who is a liar and highly ungrateful.
[39:4] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"لَوۡ اَرَادَ اللّٰہُ اَنۡ یَّتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا لَّاصۡطَفٰی مِمَّا یَخۡلُقُ مَا یَشَآءُ ۙ سُبۡحٰنَہٗ ؕ ہُوَ اللّٰہُ الۡوَاحِدُ الۡقَہَّارُ ﴿۴﴾

Had Allah willed to beget children (for Himself), He would have chosen whom He liked out of His Creation. Glory be to Him, He is Allah, the One, the All-Dominant.
[39:5] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"خَلَقَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ بِالۡحَقِّ ۚ یُکَوِّرُ الَّیۡلَ عَلَی النَّہَارِ وَ یُکَوِّرُ النَّہَارَ عَلَی الَّیۡلِ وَ سَخَّرَ الشَّمۡسَ وَ الۡقَمَرَ ؕ کُلٌّ یَّجۡرِیۡ لِاَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّی ؕ اَلَا ہُوَ الۡعَزِیۡزُ الۡغَفَّارُ ﴿۵﴾

He created the heavens and the earth with a decreed celestial order and planning. He causes the night to overlap the day and the day to overlap the night. And He is the One Who has subjected the sun and the moon (to a system). Each (star and planet) rotates in its orbit till an appointed time. Beware! He is the One Who is All-Dominant (over the entire system), the Most Forgiving.
[39:6] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"خَلَقَکُمۡ مِّنۡ نَّفۡسٍ وَّاحِدَۃٍ ثُمَّ جَعَلَ مِنۡہَا زَوۡجَہَا وَ اَنۡزَلَ لَکُمۡ مِّنَ الۡاَنۡعَامِ ثَمٰنِیَۃَ اَزۡوَاجٍ ؕ یَخۡلُقُکُمۡ فِیۡ بُطُوۡنِ اُمَّہٰتِکُمۡ خَلۡقًا مِّنۡۢ بَعۡدِ خَلۡقٍ فِیۡ ظُلُمٰتٍ ثَلٰثٍ ؕ ذٰلِکُمُ اللّٰہُ رَبُّکُمۡ لَہُ الۡمُلۡکُ ؕ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَ ۚ فَاَنّٰی تُصۡرَفُوۡنَ ﴿۶﴾

He has created all of you from a single life cell, and then made from it a similar pair. And then He brought about for you eight living animals in pairs. He shapes you in the wombs of your mothers from one creative phase into the next in sequence and (completes this process) in three (germinal) layers. This is Allah, your Lord, to Whom belongs all Power and Authority. There is no God except He. Where then are you deviated (and disoriented after knowing these concealed realities of creation)?
[39:7] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"اِنۡ تَکۡفُرُوۡا فَاِنَّ اللّٰہَ غَنِیٌّ عَنۡکُمۡ ۟ وَ لَا یَرۡضٰی لِعِبَادِہِ الۡکُفۡرَ ۚ وَ اِنۡ تَشۡکُرُوۡا یَرۡضَہُ لَکُمۡ ؕ وَ لَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَۃٌ وِّزۡرَ اُخۡرٰی ؕ ثُمَّ اِلٰی رَبِّکُمۡ مَّرۡجِعُکُمۡ فَیُنَبِّئُکُمۡ بِمَا کُنۡتُمۡ تَعۡمَلُوۡنَ ؕ اِنَّہٗ عَلِیۡمٌۢ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُوۡرِ ﴿۷﴾

If you disbelieve, then surely Allah is Self-Sufficient and He does not like disbelief (and ingratitude) for His servants, and if you give thanks, (so) He likes that for you. And no bearer of burden will bear the burden of any other. Then you have to return to your Lord. Then He will inform you of the deeds which you used to do. Surely, He knows best the secrets of the hearts.
[39:8] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"وَ اِذَا مَسَّ الۡاِنۡسَانَ ضُرٌّ دَعَا رَبَّہٗ مُنِیۡبًا اِلَیۡہِ ثُمَّ اِذَا خَوَّلَہٗ نِعۡمَۃً مِّنۡہُ نَسِیَ مَا کَانَ یَدۡعُوۡۤا اِلَیۡہِ مِنۡ قَبۡلُ وَ جَعَلَ لِلّٰہِ اَنۡدَادًا لِّیُضِلَّ عَنۡ سَبِیۡلِہٖ ؕ قُلۡ تَمَتَّعۡ بِکُفۡرِکَ قَلِیۡلًا ٭ۖ اِنَّکَ مِنۡ اَصۡحٰبِ النَّارِ ﴿۸﴾

And when some suffering afflicts man, he turns to his Lord and cries out. Then when (Allah) grants him some blessing from Himself, he forgets that (suffering) which he used to beseech relief from. And (then) he sets up (idols) as partners with Allah to make (others also) lose His way. Say: ‘(O disbeliever,) profit a little (worldly gain) from your disbelief; you are certainly of the inmates of Hell.
[39:9] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"اَمَّنۡ ہُوَ قَانِتٌ اٰنَآءَ الَّیۡلِ سَاجِدًا وَّ قَآئِمًا یَّحۡذَرُ الۡاٰخِرَۃَ وَ یَرۡجُوۡا رَحۡمَۃَ رَبِّہٖ ؕ قُلۡ ہَلۡ یَسۡتَوِی الَّذِیۡنَ یَعۡلَمُوۡنَ وَ الَّذِیۡنَ لَا یَعۡلَمُوۡنَ ؕ اِنَّمَا یَتَذَکَّرُ اُولُوا الۡاَلۡبَابِ ٪﴿۹﴾

Well! (Is this polytheist better or) that (believer) who worships during the hours of the night standing and in prostration, lives in fear of the Hereafter and expects mercy from his Lord?’ Say: ‘Can those who have knowledge and those who do not be alike?’ So only the wise do receive the admonition.


[39:15] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"فَاعۡبُدُوۡا مَا شِئۡتُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِہٖ ؕ قُلۡ اِنَّ الۡخٰسِرِیۡنَ الَّذِیۡنَ خَسِرُوۡۤا اَنۡفُسَہُمۡ وَ اَہۡلِیۡہِمۡ یَوۡمَ الۡقِیٰمَۃِ ؕ اَلَا ذٰلِکَ ہُوَ الۡخُسۡرَانُ الۡمُبِیۡنُ ﴿۱۵﴾

So worship what you like besides Allah.’ Say: ‘Surely, losers are only those who will bring loss to their own souls and their families on the Day of Resurrection. Remember! That truly is the manifest loss.

I hope these help you.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 11:52pm On May 08
sagenaija:
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Just to answer simple questions enilove asks seem difficult for you.
All you do is resort to quoting the Koran. Even when it doesn't answer the question. You appear to have turned the Koran into a TALISMAN hoping that it will do the work for you. Is the Koran a talisman to you?

It's so difficult for you guys to use reasoning to answer because you are running away from the truth and reality of Islam.

When you face the truth about Islam you know it doesn't hold water. So you resort to ESCAPISM as a defense mechanism to hide from confronting the reality.

You claim that Allah is the one speaking throughout the Koran. And here are statements that CLEARLY do not line up with that claim. And instead of owning up to the flaws in the Koran you resort to running away from confronting the questions.

What a shame!

I know @enilove has his answers to every question he asks. He can also interprets the Qur'an and Hadith- however misguidedly.
I answered to show he is delusional.

Allah is not on trial so you cannot determine how Allah should speak.
Allah can choose to speak the way he likes (1person, 2person, 3person, metaphorical, allegorical etc).
It can only make sense to you if you believe in Allah.

[46:31] Al-Aḥqāf-الْأَحْقَاف
"یٰقَوۡمَنَاۤ اَجِیۡبُوۡا دَاعِیَ اللّٰہِ وَ اٰمِنُوۡا بِہٖ یَغۡفِرۡ لَکُمۡ مِّنۡ ذُنُوۡبِکُمۡ وَیُجِرۡکُمۡ مِّنۡ عَذَابٍ اَلِیۡمٍ ﴿۳۱﴾

O our people! Accept the call of the Caller (the Holy Prophet Muhammad [blessings and peace be upon him]) to Allah and believe in him. Allah will then forgive your sins and save you from a painful punishment.
[46:32] Al-Aḥqāf-الْأَحْقَاف
"وَ مَنۡ لَّا یُجِبۡ دَاعِیَ اللّٰہِ فَلَیۡسَ بِمُعۡجِزٍ فِی الۡاَرۡضِ وَ لَیۡسَ لَہٗ مِنۡ دُوۡنِہٖۤ اَوۡلِیَآءُ ؕ اُولٰٓئِکَ فِیۡ ضَلٰلٍ مُّبِیۡنٍ ﴿۳۲﴾

And he who does not accept the call of the Caller (the Holy Prophet Muhammad [blessings and peace be upon him]) to Allah cannot thwart Allah (by running away) on earth. Nor will there be any helpers for him except Allah. It is they who are in open error.’
[46:33] Al-Aḥqāf-الْأَحْقَاف
"اَوَ لَمۡ یَرَوۡا اَنَّ اللّٰہَ الَّذِیۡ خَلَقَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ وَ لَمۡ یَعۡیَ بِخَلۡقِہِنَّ بِقٰدِرٍ عَلٰۤی اَنۡ یُّحۡیَِۧ الۡمَوۡتٰی ؕ بَلٰۤی اِنَّہٗ عَلٰی کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ قَدِیۡرٌ ﴿۳۳﴾

Do they not know that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not tired by creating them, has (also) the power to bring the dead back to life (again)? Yes, of course, He has power over everything.

Ponder on Allah's words.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 9:51pm On May 09
mhmsadyq:


I know @enilove has his answers to every question he asks.
Ponder on Allah's words.
Did you just say 'Allah's words'?

My point is this: if you are asked a question and instead of answering you just quote the Koran, you've really not addressed the matter. If I ask you why Allah says in the Koran 'Praise be to Allah' and you answer by saying that Allah can say what he wants; how does that answer the question?

If you name is, for example, Musishaq and you are speaking to another person will it make sense to tell that person "It is you we ask for help Musishaq!" rather than "It is me you ask for help!"
Which of the two statements is clearer and more straightforward? Obviously the second one. Unfortunately that part of the Koran is written like the first one going by your claim concerning the Koran.

CLEARLY you are only REINTERPRETING the Koran to pacify your mind. You are not using the claims of the Koran to interpret it.

For example, the Koran claims to be in clear Arabic but then we find words that are not Arabic in it; even when the words stated have Arabic equivalents. Rather than ask why this is so what you guys resort to is to say 'Allah knows best' or like you've stated here 'Allah can choose to speak the way he likes'. Really? Are you saying that Allah has no standards? No INTEGRITY? So he speaks as he likes irrespective whether he is communicating clearly or not?

The well known claim is that in the Koran Allah is addressing man. In the al fatiha however, the obvious construct of the wordings is that of man addressing Allah. There are even different versions of it. It is reported that Aisha, Mohamed's wife, said that Mohamed starts his prayers with it, suggesting that they were his words to Allah and not the other way round.

So, like so many other things in Islam you have CONFLICTING and contradictory positions on virtually every issue. How a religion that claim to make things clear ends up confusing things leaves one amazed. And why followers like yourself take everything in hook line and sinker keeps one dumbfounded.

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 3:58am On May 10
sagenaija:

Did you just say 'Allah's words'?

My point is this: if you are asked a question and instead of answering you just quote the Koran, you've really not addressed the matter. If I ask you why Allah says in the Koran 'Praise be to Allah' and you answer by saying that Allah can say what he wants; how does that answer the question?

If you name is, for example, Musishaq and you are speaking to another person will it make sense to tell that person "It is you we ask for help Musishaq!" rather than "It is me you ask for help!"
Which of the two statements is clearer and more straightforward? Obviously the second one. Unfortunately that part of the Koran is written like the first one going by your claim concerning the Koran.

CLEARLY you are only REINTERPRETING the Koran to pacify your mind. You are not using the claims of the Koran to interpret it.

For example, the Koran claims to be in clear Arabic but then we find words that are not Arabic in it; even when the words stated have Arabic equivalents. Rather than ask why this is so what you guys resort to is to say 'Allah knows best' or like you've stated here 'Allah can choose to speak the way he likes'. Really? Are you saying that Allah has no standards? No INTEGRITY? So he speaks as he likes irrespective whether he is communicating clearly or not?

The well known claim is that in the Koran Allah is addressing man. In the al fatiha however, the obvious construct of the wordings is that of man addressing Allah. There are even different versions of it. It is reported that Aisha, Mohamed's wife, said that Mohamed starts his prayers with it, suggesting that they were his words to Allah and not the other way round.

So, like so many other things in Islam you have CONFLICTING and contradictory positions on virtually every issue. How a religion that claim to make things clear ends up confusing things leaves one amazed. And why followers like yourself take everything in hook line and sinker keeps one dumbfounded.

It is because of your unbelief that makes you question Allah. So you aren't doing anything new with your questionings.

This question about suratul fatiha has been asked severally and answered severally by Muslims as well on this platform and you know this.

Again, Allah is not on trial. Allah don't owe you any explanation as to his choice of words or revelation just because you choose to disbelieve.

You can continue with your conjectures and name calling about Allah and His Prophet's words, that is your own headache to deal with.
We the Believers have no doubt!

People like you have always existed by Allah's will.

[109:1] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"قُلۡ یٰۤاَیُّہَا الۡکٰفِرُوۡنَ ۙ﴿۱﴾

Say: ‘O disbelievers!

[109:2] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"لَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ مَا تَعۡبُدُوۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾

I do not worship that which you worship.
[109:3] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عٰبِدُوۡنَ مَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ ۚ﴿۳﴾

Nor do you worship Whom I worship.

[109:4] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنَا عَابِدٌ مَّا عَبَدۡتُّمۡ ۙ﴿۴﴾

And I shall never worship that which you worship.

[109:5] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عٰبِدُوۡنَ مَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ ؕ﴿۵﴾

Nor will you worship Whom I worship.

[109:6] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"لَکُمۡ دِیۡنُکُمۡ وَلِیَ دِیۡنِ ٪﴿۶﴾

(So) you have your din (religion), and I have my Din (Religion).’
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 8:30am On May 10
mhmsadyq:

It is because of your
So, what have you said here? Again NOTHING!

You claim that Allah can speak as he likes whether it makes sense or not. You guys also claim that Allah PRAYS for Mohamed and when we ask to whom does Allah pray you can't answer. But even without understanding it you still claim it makes sense to you.

You attack us for asking questions and turn round to say that we're the ones doing the attacks.

You accept Islam as your religion yet you can't tell us basic things about it. What you are actually doing is that you have taken Islam as a CHARM, hoping that, whether you understand it or not, it will work for you. Just like most people who use talisman do: they may not know how it works but just HOPE it does what it is supposed to do.

That's simply why you have been unable to directly answer any of the questions thrown at you. You do not UNDERSTAND your religion; you only hope it is true.

Cheers!
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 9:14am On May 10
mhmsadyq:

Read again.

If you can produce a similar evidence of man made revelation like it.

[2:2] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"ذٰلِکَ الۡکِتٰبُ لَا رَیۡبَ ۚۖۛ فِیۡہِ ۚۛ ہُدًی لِّلۡمُتَّقِیۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾

(This is) the Glorious Book in which there is no chance of doubt. (It is) a guide for those who guard against evil and fear Allah:
[2:3] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"الَّذِیۡنَ یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ بِالۡغَیۡبِ وَ یُقِیۡمُوۡنَ الصَّلٰوۃَ وَ مِمَّا رَزَقۡنٰہُمۡ یُنۡفِقُوۡنَ ۙ﴿۳﴾

Those who believe in the unseen, and establish Prayer (fulfilling all its requisites) and spend (in Our way) out of what We have given them;
[2:4] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ الَّذِیۡنَ یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ بِمَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلَیۡکَ وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِکَ ۚ وَ بِالۡاٰخِرَۃِ ہُمۡ یُوۡقِنُوۡنَ ؕ﴿۴﴾

And those who believe in (all) that which has been revealed to you, and that which was revealed before you, and also have (perfect) faith in the Hereafter.
[2:5] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"اُولٰٓئِکَ عَلٰی ہُدًی مِّنۡ رَّبِّہِمۡ ٭ وَ اُولٰٓئِکَ ہُمُ الۡمُفۡلِحُوۡنَ ﴿۵﴾

It is they who follow guidance from their Lord, and it is they who shall achieve real success.
[2:6] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا سَوَآءٌ عَلَیۡہِمۡ ءَاَنۡذَرۡتَہُمۡ اَمۡ لَمۡ تُنۡذِرۡہُمۡ لَا یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ ﴿۶﴾

Verily, those who have adopted disbelief, it is the same for them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.
[2:7] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"خَتَمَ اللّٰہُ عَلٰی قُلُوۡبِہِمۡ وَ عَلٰی سَمۡعِہِمۡ ؕ وَ عَلٰۤی اَبۡصَارِہِمۡ غِشَاوَۃٌ ۫ وَّ لَہُمۡ عَذَابٌ عَظِیۡمٌ ٪﴿۷﴾

Allah (as a result of their own choice) has set a seal on their hearts and their ears, and there is a blindfold (set) over their eyes. And for them there is a severe torment.

Hear Allah speaks relating to objects worship:

[39:1] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"تَنۡزِیۡلُ الۡکِتٰبِ مِنَ اللّٰہِ الۡعَزِیۡزِ الۡحَکِیۡمِ ﴿۱﴾

The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Lord of Honour, All-Wise.
[39:2] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"اِنَّاۤ اَنۡزَلۡنَاۤ اِلَیۡکَ الۡکِتٰبَ بِالۡحَقِّ فَاعۡبُدِ اللّٰہَ مُخۡلِصًا لَّہُ الدِّیۡنَ ؕ﴿۲﴾

Surely, We have revealed (this) Book to you with the truth. So worship Allah for His sake alone in sincere obedience.
[39:3] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"اَلَا لِلّٰہِ الدِّیۡنُ الۡخَالِصُ ؕ وَ الَّذِیۡنَ اتَّخَذُوۡا مِنۡ دُوۡنِہٖۤ اَوۡلِیَآءَ ۘ مَا نَعۡبُدُہُمۡ اِلَّا لِیُقَرِّبُوۡنَاۤ اِلَی اللّٰہِ زُلۡفٰی ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ یَحۡکُمُ بَیۡنَہُمۡ فِیۡ مَا ہُمۡ فِیۡہِ یَخۡتَلِفُوۡنَ ۬ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ لَا یَہۡدِیۡ مَنۡ ہُوَ کٰذِبٌ کَفَّارٌ ﴿۳﴾

If you disbelieve, then surely Allah is Self-Sufficient and He does not like disbelief (and ingratitude) for His servants, and if you give thanks, (so) He likes that for you. And no bearer of burden will bear the burden of any other. Then you have to return to your Lord. Then He will inform you of the deeds which you used to do. Surely, He knows best the secrets of the hearts.
[39:8] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"وَ اِذَا مَسَّ الۡاِنۡسَانَ ضُرٌّ دَعَا رَبَّہٗ مُنِیۡبًا اِلَیۡہِ ثُمَّ اِذَا خَوَّلَہٗ نِعۡمَۃً مِّنۡہُ نَسِیَ مَا کَانَ یَدۡعُوۡۤا اِلَیۡہِ مِنۡ قَبۡلُ وَ جَعَلَ لِلّٰہِ اَنۡدَادًا لِّیُضِلَّ عَنۡ سَبِیۡلِہٖ ؕ قُلۡ تَمَتَّعۡ بِکُفۡرِکَ قَلِیۡلًا ٭ۖ اِنَّکَ مِنۡ اَصۡحٰبِ النَّارِ ﴿۸﴾
And when some suffering afflicts man, he turns to his Lord and cries out. Then when (Allah) grants him some blessing from Himself, he forgets that (suffering) which he used to beseech relief from. And (then) he sets up (idols) as partners with Allah to make (others also) lose His way. Say: ‘(O disbeliever,) profit a little (worldly gain) from your disbelief; you are certainly of the inmates of Hell.
[39:9] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"اَمَّنۡ ہُوَ قَانِتٌ اٰنَآءَ الَّیۡلِ سَاجِدًا وَّ قَآئِمًا یَّحۡذَرُ الۡاٰخِرَۃَ وَ یَرۡجُوۡا رَحۡمَۃَ رَبِّہٖ ؕ قُلۡ ہَلۡ یَسۡتَوِی الَّذِیۡنَ یَعۡلَمُوۡنَ وَ الَّذِیۡنَ لَا یَعۡلَمُوۡنَ ؕ اِنَّمَا یَتَذَکَّرُ اُولُوا الۡاَلۡبَابِ ٪﴿۹﴾

Well! (Is this polytheist better or) that (believer) who worships during the hours of the night standing and in prostration, lives in fear of the Hereafter and expects mercy from his Lord?’ Say: ‘Can those who have knowledge and those who do not be alike?’ So only the wise do receive the admonition.
[39:15] Al-Zumar-الزُّمَر
"فَاعۡبُدُوۡا مَا شِئۡتُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِہٖ ؕ قُلۡ اِنَّ الۡخٰسِرِیۡنَ الَّذِیۡنَ خَسِرُوۡۤا اَنۡفُسَہُمۡ وَ اَہۡلِیۡہِمۡ یَوۡمَ الۡقِیٰمَۃِ ؕ اَلَا ذٰلِکَ ہُوَ الۡخُسۡرَانُ الۡمُبِیۡنُ ﴿۱۵﴾

So worship what you like besides Allah.’ Say: ‘Surely, losers are only those who will bring loss to their own souls and their families on the Day of Resurrection. Remember! That truly is the manifest loss.
I hope these help you.
All these quotes from your books do not prove anything.

You want me to produce a similar man made revelations like the above ?

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عَوْنٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، عَنْ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ عُمَرُ وَافَقْتُ رَبِّي فِي ثَلاَثٍ، فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لَوِ اتَّخَذْنَا مِنْ مَقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى فَنَزَلَتْ ‏{‏وَاتَّخِذُوا مِنْ مَقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى‏}‏ وَآيَةُ الْحِجَابِ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، لَوْ أَمَرْتَ نِسَاءَكَ أَنْ يَحْتَجِبْنَ، فَإِنَّهُ يُكَلِّمُهُنَّ الْبَرُّ وَالْفَاجِرُ‏.‏ فَنَزَلَتْ آيَةُ الْحِجَابِ، وَاجْتَمَعَ نِسَاءُ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي الْغَيْرَةِ عَلَيْهِ فَقُلْتُ لَهُنَّ عَسَى رَبُّهُ إِنْ طَلَّقَكُنَّ أَنْ يُبَدِّلَهُ أَزْوَاجًا خَيْرًا مِنْكُنَّ‏.‏ فَنَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الآيَةُ‏.‏
Narrated `Umar (bin Al-Khattab):
My Lord agreed with me in three things: -1. I said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two rak`at of Tawaf of Ka`ba)". (2:125) -2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed. -3. Once the wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) made a united front against the Prophet (ﷺ) and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66:5).
Sahih al-Bukhari 402
In-book : Book 8, Hadith 53
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 8, Hadith 395  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

This means that Umar made a Quran and Allah accepted it because it is up to the standard of Allah's Quran .

It also means sura 66:5 is man made because a man had suggested it b4 Muhammad said Allah revealed it to him.

Do you know that Aishat complained of Muhammad's revelations as well ?

Hadith
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet (ﷺ) for marriage. `Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33:51) was revealed, " `Aisha said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "
Sahih al-Bukhari 5113
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 50
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 48  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Pls , think about what sagenaija is saying , even if don't believe mine , this Quran can't be from God .

You want to follow Islam because you think it is the way . If it happens not to be the way , do you think God will send you back for corrections ?

We don't hate you . We love you and we don't want you to perish.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by haekymbahd(m): 12:54pm On May 10
sagenaija:

You Moslems claim that the Koran is Allah's words.
In other words, Allah is the one speaking in it.

Notice that nothing here says that Allah said something to the effect like ' O Moslems praise me like this'. He is the one making the direct statements.

If so, who is Allah praising here?
Who is he invoking?
it was revealed by Allah himself teaching us how to pray

Allah SWT said:

"And We have certainly given you, [O Muhammad], seven of the often repeated [verses] and the great Qur'an."
(QS. Al-Hijr 15: Verse 87)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Seven of the often repeated verses means suratul fatiha


Mathew 6
9 Pray, therefore, like this: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.

10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.

13 And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.


Kindly tell us who Jesus was praying to that he should forgive his debt...

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 2:58pm On May 10
enilove:


You want me to produce a similar man made revelations like the above ?








You think the words of Allah are man's words. I challenged you to produce something similar, you were speaking in tongues- Gibberish.

Listen to Allah:

[2:23] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ فِیۡ رَیۡبٍ مِّمَّا نَزَّلۡنَا عَلٰی عَبۡدِنَا فَاۡتُوۡا بِسُوۡرَۃٍ مِّنۡ مِّثۡلِہٖ ۪ وَ ادۡعُوۡا شُہَدَآءَکُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ صٰدِقِیۡنَ ﴿۲۳﴾

And if you are in doubt about this (Book) which We have revealed to Our (exalted) servant, then produce only one chapter like this. And (for this task) you may call upon (all) your helpers apart from Allah if you are true (in your doubt and denial).

[2:24] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"فَاِنۡ لَّمۡ تَفۡعَلُوۡا وَ لَنۡ تَفۡعَلُوۡا فَاتَّقُوا النَّارَ الَّتِیۡ وَقُوۡدُہَا النَّاسُ وَ الۡحِجَارَۃُ ۚۖ اُعِدَّتۡ لِلۡکٰفِرِیۡنَ ﴿۲۴﴾

But if you fail to do it—and you shall never be able to do it—then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is human beings (the disbelievers) and stones (their idols), prepared for disbelievers.

This challenge from Allah is an "Albatross" on the disbelievers.

Take up the challenge if you are truthful.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 3:01pm On May 10
enilove:

All these quotes from your books do not prove anything.




OK.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 3:07pm On May 10
enilove:


Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عَوْنٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، عَنْ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ عُمَرُ وَافَقْتُ رَبِّي فِي ثَلاَثٍ، فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لَوِ اتَّخَذْنَا مِنْ مَقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى فَنَزَلَتْ ‏{‏وَاتَّخِذُوا مِنْ مَقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى‏}‏ وَآيَةُ الْحِجَابِ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، لَوْ أَمَرْتَ نِسَاءَكَ أَنْ يَحْتَجِبْنَ، فَإِنَّهُ يُكَلِّمُهُنَّ الْبَرُّ وَالْفَاجِرُ‏.‏ فَنَزَلَتْ آيَةُ الْحِجَابِ، وَاجْتَمَعَ نِسَاءُ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي الْغَيْرَةِ عَلَيْهِ فَقُلْتُ لَهُنَّ عَسَى رَبُّهُ إِنْ طَلَّقَكُنَّ أَنْ يُبَدِّلَهُ أَزْوَاجًا خَيْرًا مِنْكُنَّ‏.‏ فَنَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الآيَةُ‏.‏
Narrated `Umar (bin Al-Khattab):
My Lord agreed with me in three things: -1. I said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two rak`at of Tawaf of Ka`ba)". (2:125) -2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed. -3. Once the wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) made a united front against the Prophet (ﷺ) and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66:5).
Sahih al-Bukhari 402
In-book : Book 8, Hadith 53
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 8, Hadith 395  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

This means that Umar made a Quran and Allah accepted it because it is up to the standard of Allah's Quran .

It also means sura 66:5 is man made because a man had suggested it b4 Muhammad said Allah revealed it to him.





OK.
According to an unbeliever.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 3:10pm On May 10
enilove:

.

Do you know that Aishat complained of Muhammad's revelations as well ?

Hadith
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet (ﷺ) for marriage. `Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33:51) was revealed, " `Aisha said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "
Sahih al-Bukhari 5113
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 50
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 48  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari







According to an unbeliever.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 3:15pm On May 10
enilove:


Pls , think about what sagenaija is saying , even if don't believe mine , this Quran can't be from God .

So I can become a disbeliever like you.

I seek Refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed!
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 3:16pm On May 10
mhmsadyq:


According to an unbeliever.


Yes I am an unbeliever because I don't believe falsehood , especially when it is coming from a character like that of Muhammad.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 3:38pm On May 10
mhmsadyq:


So I can become a disbeliever like you.

I seek Refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed!


Take a look at this :

Hadith
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

"Whenever the Prophet (ﷺ) passed by (my mother Um-Sulaim) he used to enter her and greet her. Anas further said: Once the Prophet (ﷺ) way a bridegroom during his marriage with Zainab, Um Sulaim said to me, "Let us give a gift to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ." I said to her, "Do it." So she prepared Haisa (a sweet dish) made from dates, butter and dried yoghurt and she sent it with me to him. I took it to him and he said, "Put it down," and ordered me to call some men whom he named, and to invite whomever I would meet. I did what he ordered me to do, and when I returned, I found the house crowded with people and saw the Prophet (ﷺ) keeping his hand over the Haisa and saying over it whatever Allah wished (him to say). Then he called the men in batches of ten to eat of it, and he said to them, "Mention the Name of Allah, and each man should eat of the dish the nearest to him." When all of them had finished their meals, some of them left and a few remained there talking, over which I felt unhappy. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) went out towards the dwelling places (of his wives) and I too, went out after him and told him that those people had left. Then he returned and entered his dwelling place and let the curtains fall while I was in (his) dwelling place, and he was reciting the Verses:-- 'O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's house until leave is given you for a meal, (and then) not (as early as) to what for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meals, disperse without sitting for a talk. Verily such (behavior) annoys the Prophet; and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the Truth.' (33-53) Abu Uthman said: Anas said, "I served the Prophet for ten years."
Sahih al-Bukhari 5163
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 98
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 92  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Is this a true revelation from God ?
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 3:47pm On May 10
enilove:

You want to follow Islam because you think it is the way . If it happens not to be the way , do you think God will send you back for corrections ?

We don't hate you . We love you and we don't want you to perish.

I have told who Allah is in many of my qoutes from the Qur'an, even though you have not told me who your God is.

I am very secure in Allah, unlike you who is insecure in Trinity.
I have no doubt in Allah, unlike you that is full of doubt in Trinity.

You cannot love me and openly display hate for Allah and His Prophet.

We know you hate us.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 4:05pm On May 10
mhmsadyq:


I have told who Allah is in many of my qoutes from the Qur'an, even though you have not told me who your God is.

I am very secure in Allah, unlike you who is insecure in Trinity.
I have no doubt in Allah, unlike you that is full of doubt in Trinity.

You cannot love me and openly display hate for Allah and His Prophet.

We know you hate us.


What made you think I have doubt in the Trinity doctrine ?

There is a Divine security and satanic security. The one you have is what ? Do you know it? I doubt it.

The reason I hate Muhammad and Allah is simply because they are not from God Almighty. God did not send them anything.
And anyone who believes in Islam will not make heaven.

That is why.

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