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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by josephft2000: 12:14pm On May 11
THE FIRST OFFICER TO BE DOCUMENTED IS THE SENIOR BECAUSE HIS OR HER NAME COMES FIRST IN THE NORMINAL ROLL. IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE COLLEAGUES, NO SUBORDINATE.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by yakbauer: 12:34pm On May 11
Simple, their File numbers, e.g. the person who resumed in morning should have FG/FMWH/001 and the person that resumed in the afternoon will have FG/FMWH/002, 001 is senior to 002, that's if they are in same rank, level and grade.
Usually it's first by Rank/Level, (e.g. Entry level 8 for BSc and entry level 9 for MSC). But if everything is d same, then na civil service number dem go look, although with time as each of them gather certificates and certifications and also progress in the system, some might get delayed promotions and others might have a smooth sail.
Hope this answers your question.

Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by cosade(m): 12:41pm On May 11
iScribb:



Does this seniority add extras to your take home, or wha you trying to prove

It makes a big difference in the civil service. If their Unit’s Headship is to be filled amongst the two of them, automatically it goes to the one that resumed earlier that day.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by cosade(m): 12:46pm On May 11
Folarxn:


Seniority is inconsequential until you guys reaches level 16/17 and one of you need to be a Director, then you'd know that seniority ACTUALLY matters.

Seniority is always consequential in the civil service, irrespective of the level. “Seniority list” is “sacred” in the civil service, you dare not write the name of the one that was documented in the afternoon before “his senior” that was documented earlier that day.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Connected1: 12:53pm On May 11
Simplyleo:

You didn't get it.

There are situations of workers on the same grade level but were recruited different years.

A member of staff recruited 2 years back will still be on GL 08, so also another member recruited this year. How do you make out the difference between the two workers? I think the steps make the difference. Eg GL 08, step 2.

On inaugural lecture for a prof, that is his/her maiden lecture as a prof as opposed to a prof of 3 years who has been holding lectures and seminars.
Abeg nor dae qoute me.
Shuu!!
Can't you read where the OP said they are of the same level, step and etcetera and they also started the same day only that one resumed in the morning whilst the other in the afternoon.
This is PMB's regime, allow me have time for other things.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by halogate: 1:03pm On May 11
..lol..some comments here dey make me laff!..Age kwa!..

@Op..if everything is the same i.e GL, Step, Qualifications...then the colleague that resumed first or was documented first is the senior..it's as simple as that.

For those saying seniority doesn't matter. Just wait till there is only one opening for HOD and there are 4 of u adequately qualified for it..na that time u go know say seniority matter.

..yes, for now nobody cares because everybody is on the same middle management GL and Step...na only salary una dey entitled to.
But wait make HOD levels enter...eye go clear!

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by halogate: 1:06pm On May 11
HEAVEN4444:
THE one who is older in age
.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 1:08pm On May 11
cosade:


Seniority is always consequential in the civil service, irrespective of the level. “Seniority list” is scared in the civil service, you dare not write the name of the one that was documented in the afternoon before “his senior” that was documented earlier that day.

Ehn, I wish Nairaland allows voicenotes, because writing it out with words won't do justice to what I witnessed yesterday at a meeting at work.

We had two Deputy Directors at the said meeting, the anchor erroneously called on the one on GL 16, step III before calling the one on GL 16, step IV. He had to apologize, then called on the right person.

Funny enough, these two Deputy Directors are friends in office and beyond official capacity. Both of them are even from the same hometown as myself. They banter themselves in front of me using our hometown popular lingos. Yet, at official capacity/meeting/functions, you dare not mistakenly call the one who happens to be junior before the senior one.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by HEAVEN4444: 1:09pm On May 11
halogate:

Baba....this one no follow at aalll!!
na naija we dey. age trumps all if you are both employed on same day

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 1:09pm On May 11
halogate:
..lol..some comments here dey make me laff!..Age kwa!..

@Op..if everything is the same i.e GL, Step, Qualifications...then the colleague that resumed first or was documented first is the senior..it's as simple as that.

For those saying seniority doesn't matter. Just wait till there is only one opening for HOD and there are 4 of u adequately qualified for it..na that time u go know say seniority matter.

..yes, for now nobody cares because everybody is on the same middle management GL and Step...na only salary una dey entitled to.
But wait make HOD levels enter...eye go clear!

May Almighty continue to bless you, bro. I read some comments and I couldn't help but just laugh it off.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by breezeng: 1:12pm On May 11
The resumption date and time is the first criteria considered for seniority in the civil service for those appointed to the same post at the same time. However, the alphabetical order of the last name may be used to determine seniority if there is a tie.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 1:12pm On May 11
HEAVEN4444:
na naija we dey. age trumps all if you are both employed on same day

Even when civil servants like myself, who are currently in service are telling you and have repeatedly mentioned it on this same thread, that age is inconsequential in the civil service when determining who's senior and who isn't.

Anyway, continue… I guess you love basking in blissful ignorance.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by LadiIshola(m): 1:15pm On May 11
How they check seniority in the civil service in this case is different. What they look at, if after everything checks out to be a stalemate, is their ages. Birth certificate comes in play. The eldest of them becomes the senior, and not your file number or how your names appear on a list.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by LadiIshola(m): 1:16pm On May 11
Folarxn:


Even when civil servants like myself, who are currently in service are telling you and have repeatedly mentioned it on this same thread, that age is inconsequential in the civil service when determining who's senior and who isn't.

Anyway, continue… I guess you love basking in blissful ignorance.

It is actually true. Age is the final determinant in such case in the civil service.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by HEAVEN4444: 1:17pm On May 11
Folarxn:


Even when civil servants like myself, who are currently in service are telling you and have repeatedly mentioned it on this same thread, that age is inconsequential in the civil service when determining who's senior and who isn't.

Anyway, continue… I guess you love basking in blissful ignorance.
i said if employed on the same day then age trumps. unless of course the younger guy has many more skills. however the premise of this post is that if two people are employed to the same job on the same day who is senior.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by cosade(m): 1:19pm On May 11
LadiIshola:
How they check seniority in the civil service in this case is different. What they look at, if after everything checks out to be a stalemate, is their ages. Birth certificate comes in play. The eldest of them becomes the senior, and not your file number or how your names appear on a list.

Stalemate? How?
One “staff number” must be before the other.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by halogate: 1:19pm On May 11
HEAVEN4444:
na naija we dey. age trumps all if you are both employed on same day
So if my age na 1991 and ur own na 1990...u are automatically my senior in civil.?
That's a no no!

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by HEAVEN4444: 1:20pm On May 11
halogate:

So if my age na 1991 and ur own na 1990...u are automatically my senior in civil.?
That's a no no!
if employed on same day for same job, yes

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Pymetrics: 1:26pm On May 11
olumzzz:
Wahala be like bicycle.
We Africans get wahala, can't we just do our jobs as specified in our job descriptions and collect our salaries without the need for a baseless discrepancy for seniority.
Funniest thing is they are on the same grade level and earn the same pay yet looking for seniority
It's like you don't understand the politics of workplace. Being given some roles and responsibilities may give you an opportunity to connect with influential people, interfacing contractors where you get kickback (i don't support this, just saying), or you represent your workplace in outside settings. This person may be collecting same salary and allowances as others, but he's getting some advantages and this is what employee in the same level compete for. It's a fundamental politics of workplace.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by halogate: 1:28pm On May 11
HEAVEN4444:
if employed on same day for same job, yes
Boss...we are talking about civil service here!.
One MUST be documented before the other and one MUST report before the other.
Even the military considers service year for officers of equal rank and NOT age.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 1:31pm On May 11
breezeng:
The resumption date and time is the first criteria considered for seniority in the civil service for those appointed to the same post at the same time. However, the alphabetical order of the last name may be used to determine seniority if there is a tie.

I can't speak for Agencies, Commissions, Board, Bureaus et al. But there's nothing called “a tie” in Ministerial Civil Service.

Most, if not all appointments in the civil service requires you to write an acceptance letter. Your letter will carry a date and it must be submitted. If my letter was received first before the next person on the same day, AND a file (all files in the service has a FILE or VOLUME number) is opened for me first before you, then I'm your senior by virtue of arriving first. There's nothing like they will consider age or height or use alphabetical order based on surname.

Implications of all these don't usually materialize until one reaches management level (GL 14 upward), then you'd realise that seniority dey (for people who are arguing that there's no seniority or people arguing that it is by alphabetical order or by age).
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by LadiIshola(m): 1:31pm On May 11
cosade:


Stalemate? How?
One “staff number” must be before the other.
Staff number appearance is not an evidence of how people reported. Even if 10 people report for assumption at the same exact time, they cannot all occupy the same spot on a list, they have to follow each other based on the discretion of the admin officer attending to them, so that would determine how their names appear on a list. So should that be a determinant for seniority, even when someone who came later, maybe split seconds, appears before others she met there?
So what they look at is the age, civil service is still traditional, doesn't apply the ethos of the private sector. The elder amongst them in such situation is adjudged the senior and others follow like that according to their ages.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by udoh2k: 1:36pm On May 11
Use their date of graduation from school. Chikena !
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 1:36pm On May 11
cosade:


Stalemate? How?
One “staff number” must be before the other.

Bros, I've been here since the page of this thread was 2, it's now 4/5. To me, if you explain till tomorrow, people who've chosen to be ignorant will continue to be. Further explanation are exercise in futility.

As for me, I'm done correcting or replying to this thread. People are just arrogantly ignorant and are clearly not open to learning.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by garfield1: 1:44pm On May 11
halogate:
..lol..some comments here dey make me laff!..Age kwa!..

@Op..if everything is the same i.e GL, Step, Qualifications...then the colleague that resumed first or was documented first is the senior..it's as simple as that.

For those saying seniority doesn't matter. Just wait till there is only one opening for HOD and there are 4 of u adequately qualified for it..na that time u go know say seniority matter.

..yes, for now nobody cares because everybody is on the same middle management GL and Step...na only salary una dey entitled to.
But wait make HOD levels enter...eye go clear!


In universities,appointment to hod or dean is not by seniority
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 1:45pm On May 11
LadiIshola:

Staff number appearance is not an evidence of how people reported. Even if 10 people report for assumption at the same exact time, they cannot all occupy the same spot on a list, they have to follow each other based on the discretion of the admin officer attending to them, so that would determine how their names appear on a list. So should that be a determinant for seniority, even when someone who came later, maybe split seconds, appears before others she met there?
So what they look at is the age, civil service is still traditional, doesn't apply the ethos of the private sector. The elder amongst them in such situation is adjudged the senior and others follow like that according to their ages.

This is not an informed take.

Nothing is done at the discretion of the admin officer in charge. There are laid down rules and regulations regarding this topic. Reason why we hava Public Service Rules book which is over 100 pages long (screenshot is attached).

Age has never, is not, and will never be the determinant of seniority in the Ministerial Civil Service. At the basic level, it's based on whose file was created/opened first. My file number at work is 4034, so you're telling that someone whose file number is 4035 or 4036 is my senior simply because he/she is 38-year-old and I'm 23? I laugh in Fulfulde. grin

Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by NovusHomo(m): 1:52pm On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

They are "co-equal". But why is this a problem for you? Inflation, banditry, abductions (kidnappings) are of no concern to you? Nigerian pipo, ehn!
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 1:53pm On May 11
HEAVEN4444:
i said if employed on the same day then age trumps. unless of course the younger guy has many more skills. however the premise of this post is that if two people are employed to the same job on the same day who is senior.

We are talking about the Civil Service here, a Government Ministry to be specific. Nobody gives a hoot about your skills or age. I was documented before you even though we arrived at the documentation office (usually a registry) almost at the same time = I'm your superior, your senior if you'd like to call it that.

I work in a Ministry. I'm not relaying what I heard from a neighbor or a friend, I'm telling you about what's happening in real-time.

It doesn't matter if the documentation will be done on a piece of paper or on a computer system, two names/profiles cannot be entered at the same time, one must be written before the other. EOD!
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Noneroone(m): 1:55pm On May 11
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Folarxn:


Even when civil servants like myself, who are currently in service are telling you and have repeatedly mentioned it on this same thread, that age is inconsequential in the civil service when determining who's senior and who isn't.

Anyway, continue… I guess you love basking in blissful ignorance.
you don't sound like a civil servant
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 1:57pm On May 11
LadiIshola:


It is actually true. Age is the final determinant in such case in the civil service.

For you to be so sure, you must have evidence of what you're saying. I'm respectfully asking you to upload the part/section/chapter/subsection of the PSR which states exactly that… I'll wait.

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