Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

LadiIshola:

Staff number appearance is not an evidence of how people reported. Even if 10 people report for assumption at the same exact time, they cannot all occupy the same spot on a list, they have to follow each other based on the discretion of the admin officer attending to them, so that would determine how their names appear on a list. So should that be a determinant for seniority, even when someone who came later, maybe split seconds, appears before others she met there?
So what they look at is the age, civil service is still traditional, doesn't apply the ethos of the private sector. The elder amongst them in such situation is adjudged the senior and others follow like that according to their ages.

garfield1:



In universities,appointment to hod or dean is not by seniority

Noneroone:
[img][/img] you don't sound like a civil servant

Mijy:
There is what we call PN personal number, the person who received his/her PN first is the senior. Simple.

ChybuzzDD:
The one who first submitted his filled forms and had his name written first in the list is the senior.
If their names were written down while issueing them their employment letters, the one who first wrote down his name is the senior.

In other words, their serial number
on the register will determine their seniority.

LadiIshola:

Staff number appearance is not an evidence of how people reported. Even if 10 people report for assumption at the same exact time, they cannot all occupy the same spot on a list, they have to follow each other based on the discretion of the admin officer attending to them, so that would determine how their names appear on a list. So should that be a determinant for seniority, even when someone who came later, maybe split seconds, appears before others she met there?
So what they look at is the age, civil service is still traditional, doesn't apply the ethos of the private sector. The elder amongst them in such situation is adjudged the senior and others follow like that according to their ages.

Folarxn:


Bros, I've been here since the page of this thread was 2, it's now 4/5. To me, if you explain till tomorrow, people who've chosen to be ignorant will continue to be. Further explanation are exercise in futility.

As for me, I'm done correcting or replying to this thread. People are just arrogantly ignorant and are clearly not open to learning.

Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

halogate:

Boss...we are talking about Civil Service.
Meanwhile..even in the University, appointment of HOD is rotational and by seniority.
You cannot give a Dr. HOD when a Prof in that Dept is yet to head.

Folarxn:


You guys just say unsubstantiated things with audacity… Which chapter, section or subsection of the Public Service Rules is your claim stated?

Here's a screenshot of the the copy of PSR book I used for my Civil Service Exams.

HEAVEN4444:
i said if employed on the same day then age trumps. unless of course the younger guy has many more skills. however the premise of this post is that if two people are employed to the same job on the same day who is senior.

Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

Folarxn:


Correct.

PN = Personnel Number. It might be called PSN (Personnel Service Number) in the State Civil Service.

Pymetrics:

It's like you don't understand the politics of workplace. Being given some roles and responsibilities may give you an opportunity to connect with influential people, interfacing contractors where you get kickback (i don't support this, just saying), or you represent your workplace in outside settings. This person may be collecting same salary and allowances as others, but he's getting some advantages and this is what employee in the same level compete for. It's a fundamental politics of workplace.

Dreadful:

I'm a civil servant and I know more than you. If staff are on same Cadre, grade level and step, the determinant factor for who the senior will be is always the date of birth. Snap a page where what you stated is written in that your civil service rule let me see.

Dreadful:

I'm a civil servant and I know more than you. If staff are on same Cadre, grade level and step, the determinant factor for who the senior will be is always the date of birth. Snap a page where what you stated is written in that your civil service rule let me see.

halogate:

Boss..no age for here oh.

PS: pls note the last statement.."as duly REFLECTED in the appropriate REGISTER"

Which means...as ur names line up in that register for assumption of duty..that's how your seniority is.

Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

Folarxn:


This is not an informed take.

Nothing is done at the discretion of the admin officer in charge. There are laid down rules and regulations regarding this topic. Reason why we hava Public Service Rules book which is over 100 pages long (screenshot is attached).

Age has never, is not, and will never be the determinant of seniority in the Ministerial Civil Service. At the basic level, it's based on whose file was created/opened first. My file number at work is 4034, so you're telling that someone whose file number is 4035 or 4036 is my senior simply because he/she is 38-year-old and I'm 23? I laugh in Fulfulde.

olumzzz:
Wahala be like bicycle.
We Africans get wahala, can't we just do our jobs as specified in our job descriptions and collect our salaries without the need for a baseless discrepancy for seniority.
Funniest thing is they are on the same grade level and earn the same pay yet looking for seniority

evansjeff:


You will not understand the full implications of this until you’re in the public service. Do you know that those two persons can have 5 years left in service and there’s an appointment position to be made, one can be made the overall boss (DG, CEO, Permanent Secretary, Director, Principal) over the other in their remaining 5 years carrier and the other remain a common officer simply because one wrote name before other.

And these positions attracts huge financial benefits which will create a wide salary discrepancy between both persons. Just imagine that, and this is someone who is your mate and you both came to work the same day. Now you have to be answering SIR/MA to the person.

Folarxn:


Lol. Since I asked first, why don't you prove me wrong to the whole world?

Someone had earlier asked that I prove I'm a civil servant and I've uploaded a picture of my Civil Service Examinations results. I'm done uploading any bullshit to prove any foolish points to faceless, random, and probably jobless trolls.

If you think your claim is right, that age is determining factor of seniority in the civil service, then simply post a screenshot of the PSR where it said so. Shikena. EOD.

Just in case you're still in the mood to argue baselessly, here you go: