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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by sageb: 11:57am On May 12
Neobulletzz:

Lol which kind thing be this

Wife go cheat but na husband go die if she no confess abeg I no believe

the efficacy of this tradition is so potent that the Isoko people adhere to it. If you see an Isoko woman,just ask her.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by sageb: 12:17pm On May 12
Ofoni is different from Orogun, in Orogun, the Urhobos were able to maintain their language and identity despite centuries of ties with their Ukwuani cousins. But in Ofoni, they somehow managed to speak 100% Urhobo, how can a community that speaks 100% Urhobo be Ijaw? Isn't this fraudulent?

Are you aware Edwin Clark's village is also bilingual? Why then are they regarded as Ijaw and the Urhobos in Ofoni that speak 100% Urhobo aren't Urhobos?

@Bolded, even the ijaws don't regard Ofoni as one of them except when they want to play politics, or why did you think they voted massively for the opposition party? They never wanted an Urhobo deputy governor. [/quote]

@efewestern this is a reply to the above quote
Bros, be calming down ooooooo
Ofoni people are closely related to Tarakiri, an Ijaw ancestor
No Ijaw have claimed Ofoni in sagbama
Ofoni people are Urhobo people no doubt about that

Kiagbodo is an Ijaw community in Burutu that the people have intermarried with the Urhobos and have been accultured

finally, your claim that pdp lose was as a result of having an urhobo deputy is false.
It is the same Ijaw people that voted an Urhobo man, lawrence Ewrudjakpo as a senator in Bayelsa state in the 2019 general polls.
Bayelsans wanted David Lyon and there is nothing attached to it.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Efewestern: 12:18pm On May 12
Igboid:


Stop creating non existent history.

Efe is not a native Ukwuani name. It is an Edoid name.
Efi means cow and has no relationship whatsoever with Efe which means wealth in Urhobo.
The only relationship between Urhobos and Ukwuani are those expected of people who share boundaries.
They intermarried and co inhabited together.

You would have to be unstable to be suggesting a shared origin between Urhobo and Ukwuani.
I mean,an Urhobo man can never understand an Ukwuani man language even though they are neighbors without learning it from scratch.
A man from Imo state would only need a few hours of adaptation to intonation to understand Ukwuani man.

So because Efe is Edoid that automatically means the Oral history from Ukwuani and Orogun which states that the father of Orogun is related to Amai, Umukwata and Abbi should be disregarded?

Why do you insist that an Igboid group must not in anyway be related to Urhobo or Edo despite glaring facts and historical evidence?

If I want to know more about the Orogun Or Amai people, I will seek knowledge from people from that territory, not some from a faraway land that seeks to distort history just for some political gains.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by sageb: 12:22pm On May 12
Ishilove:
Nope. Ukwuani
kwale?
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Efewestern: 12:27pm On May 12
Neobulletzz:

It is spelt correctly, “Efejevwie”
the meaning is just always confusing

Some say something like “it is good to born wealth” or “wealth still dey born” or like the more you are wealthy, the more you give birth”
I have heard different things sha but wealth is certainly there

Efe-Je-Vwie - Wealth is benefiting to give birth to

Efe-Ju-Vwie - Youthful wealth.

Best translation I can give.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Efewestern: 12:29pm On May 12
sageb:


which community in ughelli is fighting omo Agege kinsmen?

Between Iwhreko and Ekiugbo, don't know if it has been resolved.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Igboid: 12:29pm On May 12
Efewestern:


So because Efe is Edoid that automatically means the Oral history from Ukwuani and Orogun which states that the father of Orogun is related to Amai, Umukwata and Abbi should be disregarded?

Why do you insist that an Igboid group must not in anyway be related to Urhobo or Edo despite glaring facts and historical evidence?

If I want to know more about the Orogun Or Amai people, I will seek knowledge from people from that territory, not some from a faraway land that seeks to distort history just for some political gains.


Common sense is obviously not common anymore.
Efe or whoever that is founder of Orogun doesn't have any relationship beyond inter marriage with Umukwata.
You don't need any distorted oral history to know this, common sense should tell you that.

In the past when you marry from a place and want to establish a new settlement, it is not uncommon to invite your in-laws to come and live with your new family to provide security in numbers.
This was how it used to be in the time past.
This was how the relationship between Orogun and Ukwuani came about.
They(Ukwuani) were and have always been distinct people from Urhobos with distinct language, names and world view.

I know what you Edoids are up to with your subtle historical distortions.

Efi means cow and has nothing to do with Efe like I told you.
There are even alternate history that suggests that Orogun founder was indeed an Igboid speaking Ukwuani man and not an Urhobo man.
The only way Amai, Umukwata and Orogun would have blood relationship is if the above version of the history is right.
Which would eventually make Orogun a traditionally Igboid town that got overrun by Edoids. It would also explain why traditional ruler of Orogun goes by the Igboid title of Okpara uku and not Ovie, and why the community that produces the Okpara uku in Orogun have the ancient Igbo trademark of "Umu" prefix for naming placest, in Orogun case, the village that produces the Okpara uku of the town is called Umusu.

It wouldn't be the first in the region. Afterall we know that the founders of Igbide, an Isoko speaking town today, were also originally Igbo speaking people.
We even see this in the encroachment of Isoko speakers into Igbo speaking communities in Ndokwa East which has led to land disputes in those places recently.

You as an Edoid man who if dropped in Ukwuani land cannot communicate with the locals without Pidgin English, cannot accuse a proud Igbo man like myself whose ancestors imprints in UKWUANI land( which means I can safely land in Ukwuani land and hold a reasonable conversation with the people by just using central Igbo language), of interference in Ukwuani matters. You as an Urhobo cannot claim to have more rights to intervene on Ukwuani discussions than me.

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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Efewestern: 12:32pm On May 12
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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by sageb: 12:36pm On May 12
Efewestern:

Between Iwhreko and Ekiugbo, don't know if it has been resolved.
Ekuigbo is in Ughelli. Alas! what are they fighting for?
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by sageb: 12:38pm On May 12
Efewestern:

Between Iwhreko and Ekiugbo, don't know if it has been resolved.
Ekuigbo is in Ughelli. Alas! what are they fighting for?
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Ishilove: 12:45pm On May 12
sageb:

kwale?
Yes
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by topboss: 1:09pm On May 12
Ishilove:

Yes

Report the Op of this thread, go through his comment, it is full of xenophobia.

Just go through it.

Na dat Xenophobia lead him to start this thread, because he is seeing Ukwani as Igbo and Orogun as Urhobo.

He has come to infect them with his hate.

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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by topboss: 1:11pm On May 12
Wen u carry so much negative energy and hate, why will God bless u?

Y u no go suffer?


If u just see person, na only tribe full your head.

U expect to find happiness dat way, hating people over something God created?


Did anybody choose their tribe?
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by PHijo(m): 1:33pm On May 12
sageb:
Ofoni is different from Orogun, in Orogun, the Urhobos were able to maintain their language and identity despite centuries of ties with their Ukwuani cousins. But in Ofoni, they somehow managed to speak 100% Urhobo, how can a community that speaks 100% Urhobo be Ijaw? Isn't this fraudulent?

Are you aware Edwin Clark's village is also bilingual? Why then are they regarded as Ijaw and the Urhobos in Ofoni that speak 100% Urhobo aren't Urhobos?


@Bolded, even the ijaws don't regard Ofoni as one of them except when they want to play politics, or why did you think they voted massively for the opposition party? They never wanted an Urhobo deputy governor.

@efewestern this is a reply to the above quote
Bros, be calming down ooooooo
Ofoni people are closely related to Tarakiri, an Ijaw ancestor
No Ijaw have claimed Ofoni in sagbama
Ofoni people are Urhobo people no doubt about that

Kiagbodo is an Ijaw community in Burutu that the people have intermarried with the Urhobos and have been accultured

finally, your claim that pdp lose was as a result of having an urhobo deputy is false.
It is the same Ijaw people that voted an Urhobo man, lawrence Ewrudjakpo as a senator in Bayelsa state in the 2019 general polls.
Bayelsans wanted David Lyon and there is nothing attached to it.

No, I think you are getting it wrong!
The issue was not the deputy governor, the issue was Dickson's high handedness, personal ambition and the way former president Jonathan was treated
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Neobulletzz(m): 3:29pm On May 12
Efewestern:


Efe-Je-Vwie - Wealth is benefiting to give birth to

Efe-Ju-Vwie - Youthful wealth.

Best translation I can give.
Alright thanks gracias ��
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Scream(m): 4:41pm On May 12
The op had an evil agenda...he was exposed. The thread was highjacked from the evil one by good people.

Mbene ni...
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by emperorshaokahn(m): 5:34pm On May 12
Ishilove:

We hear. Fück off from this thread and let us the minority discuss our minority culture in peace.
minority culture?,i think you meant igbo culture?.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Omanambala: 6:20pm On May 12
Ishilove:

They want to co-opt the south-south into their secessionist agenda by fire by force. They have 5 states so let them agitate and manage themselves like that.

This woman hasnt changed one bit...your hate for Igbo can only destroy you if you don't change your attitude.

Who could be more criminal and corrupt than James Ibori, the father of Delta state whom you worship like a god. And in case you dont know Delta state/Ukwuani is the head quarters of marijuana production....biko, mechie onu.

Delta state has elevated corruption as state practice. You are worse than the Igbo criminals. Every government worker in Delta is a thief. I know because I did my court marriage there.

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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Omanambala: 6:24pm On May 12
topboss:


Report the Op of this thread, go through his comment, it is full of xenophobia.

Just go through it.

Na dat Xenophobia lead him to start this thread, because he is seeing Ukwani as Igbo and Orogun as Urhobo.

He has come to infect them with his hate.

That girl is full of hate , bitterness and sadness, yet she bears Igbo names. These Ikas and Ukwuanis are worse than our worst enemies. We must challenge every nonsense they write and shred it.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Omanambala: 6:38pm On May 12
Ishilove:

I will not answer any question that is not related to the topic of this thread.

Cc. Ishilove

Look ,woman , all these your pick and chose when it suits you can never help you. Your duty is to open your eyes , read widely and enlighten your mind. Stop faking ignorance...yes , you hate Igbo and everyone knows it and we are ok.

You want to report people to the moderator but your fake "ofu obi" Uhrobo brother has been here calling Igbo names but I guess its ok. Your hate is destroying you and no guessing while you are bitter always. You didnt see your Uhrobo "ofu obi" brother to marry you?

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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by afonjaheadhunts: 6:54pm On May 12
Ishilove:

And who is asking to be part of Igboland with una DNA encrypted criminality? Abeg carry una Biafra wahala to another thread.

Ukwani can be Uhrobo, Igbo's careless from the thread Uhrobo's have already made it clear that they founded Ukwani towns and villages, Igbo's careless and would only be bothered if identity crisis torn people of Ukwani clan extend their delusion to Our Igbo Anioma brothers.

We love Asaba and other Igbo Anioma land without any identity crisis, Ukwani should develop their villages, you already know Igbo's don't even bother investing in Ukwani land like we do in Anioma land with any identity crisis.

Ukwani can enjoy their Uhrobo Identity. Igbo's love their proudly Igbo Anioma brothers.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by afonjaheadhunts: 7:12pm On May 12
Ishilove:

They want to co-opt the south-south into their secessionist agenda by fire by force. They have 5 states so let them agitate and manage themselves like that.

You come off like a person with inferiority complex and you always need approval to feel relevant. It is inborn to you, it comes naturally with your identity crisis, Ukwani will always play second to Anioma Igbo's and Uhrobo's in Delta state, Because to both groups Ukwani remains a lost sheep that needs approval and direction that is why you have no major players in Delta state let alone Nigeria, politically, Economically, Education, finance, sports etc. Unlike your Anioma Igbo or Uhrobo counterpart.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by afonjaheadhunts: 7:21pm On May 12
Ishilove:

Chill. An Urhobo man formed Abbi, Amai and Umukwata?? shocked Popsie must hear this as my great-grandfather was a one time Okpala-Uku and my family are custodians of a lot of the oral history of the Ukwuani. I find this very hard to believe

Your fathers were the custodians of your oral history yet you know nothing about your history, At your age with you secondary education you don't even know the history of your people and have to ask your father (shame), I can bet your father will seek to ask his father (your grandfather) this is what happens when a people are a lost sheep others write their history and tell them their stories.

Ukwani Ndo,

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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by blues234: 7:43pm On May 12
The idiot that opened this thread started attacking Igbos albeit subtly to attract attention. I swear, some of these morons that litters this forum
deserves a shot on the head to rid the earth of their bigotry and stupidity.
Why not just fucking focus on the topic of your useless thread and leave Igbos alone? It seems to make a thread sell, on this forum, you must include Igbos, by any means. angry

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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Fooolishbuharri: 8:00pm On May 12
Neobulletzz:

Efewestern abeg just help me with the meaning of this name EFEJEVWIE in English

In literal terms, it means wealth is still giving birth. So the meaning as is should be wealth is still multiplying.

CC: Efewestern
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Fooolishbuharri: 8:08pm On May 12
Efewestern:


I don't know if you spell this correctly, but I can translate it to "Youthful wealth".

I think "youthful wealth" should be Efe-emo emo being children or the young. This is different from Emoefe or Omoefe which both means children/child (are) is wealth.

The correct meaning of that name should be "Wealth is still multiplying" Evwie there being "born".
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Fooolishbuharri: 8:09pm On May 12
Neobulletzz:

It is spelt correctly, “Efejevwie”
the meaning is just always confusing

Some say something like “it is good to born wealth” or “wealth still dey born” or like the more you are wealthy, the more you give birth”
I have heard different things sha but wealth is certainly there

The bolded is the correct meaning. As I quoted you to say earlier.

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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Fooolishbuharri: 8:16pm On May 12
Efewestern:


Efe-Je-Vwie - Wealth is benefiting to give birth to

Efe-Ju-Vwie - Youthful wealth.

Best translation I can give.

Bro na Orere-Okpe you be or Okpara Urhobo? Because your translations are deep and a bit different from the norm.

I believe that's Ughelli or the common spoken Urhobo that guy meant by the name Lol! The beauty in our oneness sometimes lies in the ambiguity of our language.

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Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Fooolishbuharri: 8:17pm On May 12
Efewestern:


Between Iwhreko and Ekiugbo, don't know if it has been resolved.

Iwhreko and Ekuigbo matter don Tay! That Ughelli market is one of the major cause of their crisis.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Fooolishbuharri: 8:22pm On May 12
sageb:

Ekuigbo is in Ughelli.
Alas! what are they fighting for?

Well some Ekuigbo people will tell you they are not from Ughelli, same thing some Afisiere persons would say.

I think their major problem is the stool of the Oharisi being Ovie of ughelli. I don't know much about their doings though but I know Afisiere people once chased the Ovie of ughelli out of their domain. The Ovie was moving mad then and stealing lands and you know say our people no care who you be once you don fück up
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Juliusmalema: 8:24pm On May 12
SlayerForever:
Shouldn't be a big deal. Urhobo, Isoko, Ika and Ndokwa are the same thing.



They are not same thing. all are clearly distinct.
Re: Urhobos:orogun Urhobos Turning To Ndokwa. by Sufferingboy(f): 8:30pm On May 12
Juliusmalema:




They are not same thing. all are clearly distinct.

Thank God,say na you talk am.Your brothers go come curse you for correcting them.

Malema e belike say you be one of the few igbos wey dey enlighthen,the rest of them go come nairaland dey misinform the public.

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