livingchrist:

You think faith and zeal mean the same thing? You might be zealous to keep the commandments but not have faith.

Seeking to do God's will is zeal not faith.

Ehehehehe! Ihe efu!

blueAgent:


But you said we do not need to obey the law again.

smh, you were busy ranting instead of reading with comprehension, right from the beginning I mentioned the law of the spirit, the law of faith.
I showed you the law of the spirit is not the ten commandment because it is the lae of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus that gives life.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The law of the spirit is not the ten commandment

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

If there is a law that gives life existed before, then righteousness should have being by the law, there would be no need for Jesus to come.

blueAgent:


Faith that pleases God is faith with works or obedience to God's commandments not just verbal faith.

You can see from the verse you quoted that one who has faith that pleases God is one who diligently seek God.

To seek God is to do his will and commandments.

Anyone who does not keep the Commandments of God does not have faith in him. It is simple.

Anyone who does not have faith in God does not keep his Commandments. Simple.

paul already defined the law as early as Romans chapter 2 .
Romans 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

Romans 2:21-23 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

Thou shall not commit adultery, steal and Blaspheme is ceremonial law,
You think insults and tantrums will make you smart.

blueAgent:


Clown,Paul is talking of the cremional law not the 10commandments.

Any where you see law you claim it is the 10commandments which is been talked about.

Abraham did works with his faith and was justified by both.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

God is not a fool, the only way one can show his faith in God is by obedience to God's law and commandments.

livingchrist:
smh, you were busy ranting instead of reading with comprehension, right from the beginning I mentioned the law of the spirit, the law of faith.
I showed you the law of the spirit is not the ten commandment because it is the lae of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus that gives life.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The law of the spirit is not the ten commandment

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

If there is a law that gives life existed before, then righteousness should have being by the law, there would be no need for Jesus to come.

You are getting it all mixed up. The Ten Commandments are the Law of Life. They are the Law that gives Life. Obedience to them is Righteousness.

Why were the animal sacrifices and burnt offering instituted and were carried out until the Messiah came?

livingchrist:
paul already defined the law as early as Romans chapter 2 .
Romans 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

Romans 2:21-23 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

Thou shall not commit adultery, steal and Blaspheme is ceremonial law,
You think insults and tantrums will make you smart.

At bolded, wow! Where did you get that from?

blueAgent:


Please explain to me what faith in Christ mean?

Yeah! Living, answer blueagent's question. Tell us what faith in Christ means.

blueAgent:



As usual you want to twist the law of liberty and royal law.
Which ever what is obvious is that to show your love for God and your neighbour you must keep the 10commandments.

You are the one lying and twisting words to your confusion.
So who is twisting it,
James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 1:24-25 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Does this verse not tell you that the perfect law of liberty is the law that shows a believer his true identity in christ and not the ten commandment.

Paul called the ten commandment the ministry of death.
2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

You lied and tried to twist it to mean Joshua, so it was Joshua face that shone?

elated177:



Ehehehehe! Ihe efu!

the Jews has zeal to obey the law but they didnt have faith.

Romans 10:2
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

elated177:


You are getting it all mixed up. The Ten Commandments are the Law of Life. They are the Law that gives Life. Obedience to them is Righteousness.

Why were the animal sacrifices and burnt offering instituted and were carried out until the Messiah came?

no bro, if the ten commandment was the law of life then Christ would have not come, it would have meant that righteousness could be by the law.
Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

elated177:


Thou shall not commit adultery, steal and Blaspheme is ceremonial law,
You think insults and tantrums will make you smart.

At bolded, wow! Where did you get that from?

The law includes the moral laws and the ceremonial laws all of them together are called the law, they work together and can not be separated.

elated177:


You are getting it all mixed up. The Ten Commandments are the Law of Life. They are the Law that gives Life. Obedience to them is Righteousness.

Why were the animal sacrifices and burnt offering instituted and were carried out until the Messiah came?

the sacrifices and burnt offerings were instituted are another evidence again that the ten commandment cannot give life.
Let me ask you this question, if the ten commandments can give life why were the animal sacrifice instituted.
For example seat belt are put in vehicles because a vehicle can kill you without it, same thing without the sacrifices the ten commandment will wipe out all men.

Psalms 130:3
If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

This is another evidence that the law of death is the ten commandments not even the ceremonial law, not because the ten commandment is bad but because it brings death to all who breaks it.

As psalm 140:3 said if God should beginning to judge sin, who shall stand?

elated177:


Yeah! Living, answer blueagent's question. Tell us what faith in Christ means.

He evades my questions neither will I also answer his.

livingchrist:
e evades my questions neither will I also answer his.

Ok! I am asking you the same question.

livingchrist:

You are the one lying and twisting words to your confusion.
So who is twisting it,
James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 1:24-25 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Does this verse not tell you that the perfect law of liberty is the law that shows a believer his true identity in christ and not the ten commandment.

Paul called the ten commandment the ministry of death.
2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

You lied and tried to twist it to mean Joshua, so it was Joshua face that shone.

Clown.

James gave us examples of what the royal law and law of liberty is.


James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


Abeg note Chapter2:11

Am sure he James gave example so that liars like you can deny it.

livingchrist:
He evades my questions neither will I also answer his.

Your question does not exist in the bible.

How do I answer a fallacy.

livingchrist:
the sacrifices and burnt offerings were instituted are another evidence again that the ten commandment cannot give life.
Let me ask you this question, if the ten commandments can give life why were the animal sacrifice instituted.
For example seat belt are put in vehicles because a vehicle can kill you without it, same thing without the sacrifices the ten commandment will wipe out all men.

Psalms 130:3
If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

This is another evidence that the law of death is the ten commandments not even the ceremonial law, not because the ten commandment is bad but because it brings death to all who breaks it.

As psalm 140:3 said if God should beginning to judge sin, who shall stand?

You are wrong.

Pay attention to these Scriptures.

Hebrews 9: 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning.

Hebrews 9: 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.

Hebrews 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

Hebrews 9:12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.

Hebrews 9: 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

Look at the last part of Hebrews 9:14: "so that we may serve the living God". Serving the living God grants the servant eternal life. This has been made possible because of the eternal redemption that the Messiah has obtained for us.

The blood of bulls and goats and ashes of a heifer could not do this. Why were they instituted? They were instituted in order to make the people outwardly clean and so that they would not die for disobeying the Commandments of God.

The same Ten Commandments still stand. The violation of any them still requires sacrifice and redemption. This is why the Messiah had to come. He became that sacrifice once for all and obtained eternal redemption for those who will continue to walk in his way --- obedience to his Commandments ... the Ten Commandments of the Father, which, of course, he himself embodies.

So, you see, eternal life is completely tied to the obedience to the Ten Commandments of the Father in heaven. They are the Law of Life. Obedience to them is the Law of the Spirit of life.

livingchrist:

You are the one lying and twisting words to your confusion.
So who is twisting it,
James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 1:24-25 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Does this verse not tell you that the perfect law of liberty is the law that shows a believer his true identity in christ and not the ten commandment.

Paul called the ten commandment the ministry of death.
2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

You lied and tried to twist it to mean Joshua, so it was Joshua face that shone?

Clown is obvious you have a comprehension problem.

Did that verse say the law was done away with?

Was is the law or the glory of moses face that was shining?


From that verse ,This are the things to be done away with.

The glory of the face of moses.

The ministration of death written and engraven in stone.
Of course none of this says the law was done away with , you are only trying to force your thoughts on the Bible verse.

You are confused.

Paul can never call the 10commandments the ministry of death.

Becos Paul was the same person that said the law is Holy,just and good.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


The law cannot be both things at the same time.

Anybody with sense which you lack, will know that Paul was referring to the Mosaic laws which prescribed the punishment for one breaking the 10commandments.

The 10commandments itself does not contain any penalty attached to it as it was given or written by God.

It was the Mosiac law that was later added that dealt with punishment for breaking the 10commandments.

livingchrist:
The law includes the moral laws and the ceremonial laws all of them together are called the law, they work together and can not be separated.

Don't change your tongue. You said that adultery was a ceremonial law. The Ten Commandments are not ceremonial laws.

In fact, I wonder why people who claim to be servants and followers of the Messiah, who himself is the embodiment of the Ten Commandments, are very hostile to the teachings involving the Ten Commandments. Whose servants and followers are they?

livingchrist:

You are the one lying and twisting words to your confusion.
So who is twisting it,
James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 1:24-25 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Does this verse not tell you that the perfect law of liberty is the law that shows a believer his true identity in christ and not the ten commandment.

Paul called the ten commandment the ministry of death.
2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

You lied and tried to twist it to mean Joshua, so it was Joshua face that shone?

It was the ministration of the penalty of breaking the 10commandments that was done away with not the law itself.

That's why no one is stoned again for breaking any of the 10commandments


Google the meaning of ministration.
ministration
/mɪnɪˈstreɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
1.
FORMAL•HUMOROUS
the provision of assistance or care.
"the kitchen was made spotless by the ministrations of a cleaning lady"
Similar:
attention
treatment
help
assistance
aid
care
services
succour
relief
support
2.
the services of a minister of religion or of a religious institution.
"the ministrations of Father Martin"

elated177:


Ok! I am asking you the same question.

Faith in Christ means to trust in christ as our messiah, the lamb of God who takes away our sin, the one through whom we obtain forgiveness, redemption and justification.

To trust in Christ means to believe everything he said about himself and every thing the prophets and the law says about him.


To believe in Christ means to believe that he is the is the one the law and prophets were pointing at, that he Jesus is the righteousness and by trusting in him we become righteous, and that righteousness we received is the true righteousness superior to the righteousness of the law.

John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

livingchrist:
no bro, if the ten commandment was the law of life then Christ would have not come, it would have meant that righteousness could be by the law.
Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Those who misunderstand the writings and teachings of apostle Paul, our brother, will continue to fall into trouble. The funny thing is many them deliberately twist them to justify their own lawlessness and give pleasure to their lawless listeners and followers.

2 Peter 3 : 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Now, listen:

Deut 32 : 46 he said to them, “Take to heart all the words I have solemnly declared to you this day, so that you may command your children to obey carefully all the words of this law. 47 They are not just idle words for you—they are your life. By them you will live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to possess.”

Need I say more?

elated177:


Don't change your tongue. You said that adultery was a ceremonial law. The Ten Commandments are not ceremonial laws.

In fact, I wonder why people who claim to be servants and followers of the Messiah, who himself is the embodiment of the Ten Commandments, are very hostile to the teachings involving the Ten Commandments. Who servants and followers are they?

I wonder.

Most of them know the truth but their ego and decit would not let them.

livingchrist:
paul already defined the law as early as Romans chapter 2 .
Romans 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

Romans 2:21-23 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

Thou shall not commit adultery, steal and Blaspheme is ceremonial law,
You think insults and tantrums will make you smart.

Another crap.

You are confused.

Did God write any cremional law in the 10commandments?

livingchrist:
the Jews has zeal to obey the law but they didnt have faith.

Romans 10:2
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

You said a completely different thing from what the verse said. Do yourself a favour; if really you want to serve and follow the Messiah. Leave the writings of apostle Paul alone, if you don't understand them.

livingchrist:
smh, you were busy ranting instead of reading with comprehension, right from the beginning I mentioned the law of the spirit, the law of faith.
I showed you the law of the spirit is not the ten commandment because it is the lae of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus that gives life.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The law of the spirit is not the ten commandment

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

If there is a law that gives life existed before, then righteousness should have being by the law, there would be no need for Jesus to come.

Talking to you is like am schooling a 5year old, no sense or rationality.

I have explained this verse over 10times and would not repeat myself.

blueAgent:



It was the ministration of the penalty of breaking the 10commandments that was done away with not the law itself.

That's why no one is stoned again for breaking any of the 10commandments


Google the meaning of ministration.
ministration
/mɪnɪˈstreɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
1.
FORMAL•HUMOROUS
the provision of assistance or care.
"the kitchen was made spotless by the ministrations of a cleaning lady"
Similar:
attention
treatment
help
assistance
aid
care
services
succour
relief
support
2.
the services of a minister of religion or of a religious institution.
"the ministrations of Father Martin"

Is it the ministration that was written on the two tablets of stones giving to moses or the ten commandments?

Exodus 34:29
And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

livingchrist:
Faith in Christ means to trust in christ as our messiah, the lamb of God who takes away our sin, the one through whom we obtain forgiveness, redemption and justification.

To trust in Christ means to believe everything he said about himself and every thing the prophets and the law says about him.


To believe in Christ means to believe that he is the is the one the law and prophets were pointing at, that he Jesus is the righteousness and by trusting in him we become righteous, and that righteousness we received is the true righteousness superior to the righteousness of the law.

John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Who is Christ?

livingchrist:

You think faith and zeal mean the same thing? You might be zealous to keep the commandments but not have faith.

Seeking to do God's will is zeal not faith.

You cannot have faith without keeping his commandments .

If you claim you have faith and you are not keeping his commandments then you are deceiving yourself.

livingchrist:
it shows you dont even know the scripture, well I dont blame you, only the holy spirit can reveal the truth to a man.

Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

You are dumb .

The Holyspirit is given or works in us only on one condition and that is when we obey the commandments of God.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

So check yourself yours is evil spirit becos you teach contrary to God's law, you teach disobedience to God's law. Phrasises.

livingchrist:
yes Jesus raised the bar so that hypocrites will not think they have fulfilled the law which no man can fulfill.

You are clown.

Who said no man can fufill the law?

Did God deliberately give us a law that we cannot keep?

Where in the Bible is it written no man can keep the law?

Did Enoch not please God and many others who were faithful?

livingchrist:
who said Jesus has done away with it.
Jesus only expanded it more.

Confused man.

If Jesus expanded it more, than his did he do away with it?