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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 8:07pm On Aug 18
babasolution:


Sir,pls how does one move from watching tutorials to getting a job or freelance jobs.Pls I need your assistance on this question. Thanks
You have to build projects with what you have learnt to showcase your skillset. Make a resume. Add your projects to it and go online and start applying to jobs. There's really no secret.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by babasolution: 10:58pm On Aug 18
tensazangetsu20:

You have to build projects with what you have learnt to showcase your skillset. Make a resume. Add your projects to it and go online and start applying to jobs. There's really no secret.

Sir,is six months enough to be ready for a job or do I need years of experience, I do see years of experience in vacancies online
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by Perosingx(m): 1:10pm On Oct 18
plat0:
You guys should also encourage the females around you to bid for customer support and virtual assistant jobs. I know a couple of ladies making a killing in that niche. Tell them to get basic hubspot certifications.

Please can you link me up to any of these Virtual Assistant jobs?
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by Blesschemical: 6:21pm On Oct 18
tensazangetsu20:

Yeah UI/UX is a really good field.
Please Sir what programming languages do i need to be good in UI/UX design
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by GeneralDae: 6:36pm On Oct 18
babasolution:


Sir,is six months enough to be ready for a job or do I need years of experience, I do see years of experience in vacancies online
Look for paid Internship positions to start with.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by DigiBandito: 11:32am On Oct 19
Blesschemical:
Please Sir what programming languages do i need to be good in UI/UX design

UX is different from UI, Learn about the difference, you can choose to major in one or both. You absolutely do not need to know any programming language. The reason most UX/UI designers have some coding knowledge which is usually restricted to (html,css & javascript) is because it helps you to relate well with the developers on your team during Project handoffs etc. You can easily see from their own viewpoints, understand terminologies. Just understand how code works.

Run from any job that explicits demands coding from a UX/UI though. Else you'll be working 3/4 roles & getting paid for one.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by plat0: 5:04pm On Oct 20
Perosingx:


Please can you link me up to any of these Virtual Assistant jobs?
Apply on upwork, fiverr, LinkedIn, weworkremotely.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by Lindner: 10:52pm On Oct 20
tensazangetsu20:
Of recent, whenever people try to learn web development, I see comments desisting the person and telling them the field is over saturated and they should try things like data science and machine learning.

I feel its hogwash. With regards to Nigeria, the field of web development is honestly a 7 year old career to be realistic. The tech industry didnt start gaining any waves till like 5 years ago when a lot of funding went to the industry alongside the huge paystack exit. As of 2013, how many programmers even existed in Nigeria. Things were so bad that when Andela launched, they were paying people to learn to code. I mean people were being paid to learn to code. 80k alongside a brand new MacBook alongside many other benefits. Most of the people who were smart enough to take advantage of such opportunities are out of the country now as senior or mid-level devs or running very successful tech startups in Nigeria eg the founder of Eden life.

So how is a 7-year-old thing saturated? Its like people think web development is all about downloading pirated WordPress themes and installing them and you can call it a day. There are so many parts of web development that there arent even any developers in Nigeria for. Like they dont even exist. Even the so called wordpress how many people dive into the deep end?

What a lot of people are yet to understand is that the internet as we all use it is less than 30 years old. Big tech giants controlling the globe today like Amazon, Google and Netflix are less than 28 years old. Imagine what will happen when the whole wide world has the same internet access that the west has. Imagine what will be built and who will build them? Web developers. Just look at india, Bangalore (india's sillicon valley) salaries are matching those of sillicon valley now. People are earning six figure dollar incomes. The same thing is going to happen in africa, I am not optimistic about the continent sha and with the advent of remote work, your location does not stop you from earning a good income. A lot of sillicon valley startups are removing location based pay. So if you in Nigeria manage to get job with them you will be earning the same thing with your counterparts there. Imagine earning 150k USD a year in one village in osun state.

If people want to see saturation they should talk about engineering. Fields like Mechanical, Electrical, Chemical and petroleum engineering. Jobs dont exist in this fields now. Things are so bad that even with a very good first class, its still very tough getting a job except you want to go and do a Masters and PHD and end up lecturing. What of the field of law, teaching? Web developers can work anywhere in the world. Aside remotely, a lot of visa sponsorship jobs exist catering to web developers. You cant get this in engineering.

We can also take a look at linkedin jobs. I will post the picture of petroleum engineering a supposedly hotcake engineering field which a lot of people are dying for and believe in getting a big oil company job and just wordpress which a ton of people hate. Petroleum engineering has just 2000 available vacancies worldwide with most jobs having over 50 applicants while wordpress has over 30000 vacancies online. Wordpress is like the lowest hanging fruit in just web development. If I start to mention the gazillion amount of jobs in other places eh lipsrsealed

Please web development is not saturated at all. That is a lie.

Of a truth, the industry is not saturated. We had the agricultural revolution and then the industrial revolution, now it's the technological revolution and it has not even peaked yet so if you're entering the industry now, you're still early.

But this post would have been better if you added statistics especially the Nigerian market and for people targeting Nigerian employers. How many tech jobs are available and how many people are jostling for those jobs? I have a feeling that the Nigerian tech industry (as with every other thing in Nigeria) is near saturation. Ratio of opportunities (in any sector) in Nigeria to people is just too low. At my first real job in 2012, we were told by the HR at the induction that 44000 people applied for the job with first class and 2.1. Countless 2.2 and below.

Figures would give a good sense of what the true situation is in Nigeria. But for international roles, there are literally thousands of open positions. The question is just how good are you to fill those roles. Some of us were just favoured by God.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 10:55pm On Oct 20
Lindner:


Of a truth, the industry is not saturated. We had the agricultural revolution and then the industrial revolution, now it's the technological revolution and it has not even peaked yet so if you're entering the industry now, you're still early.

But this post would have been better if you added statistics especially the Nigerian market and for people targeting Nigerian employers. How many tech jobs are available and how many people are jostling for those jobs? I have a feeling that the Nigerian tech industry (as with every other thing in Nigeria) is near saturation. Ratio of opportunities (in any sector) in Nigeria to people is just too low. At my first real job in 2012, we were told by the HR at the induction that 44000 people applied for the job with first class and 2.1. Countless 2.2 and below.

Figures would give a good sense of what the true situation is in Nigeria. But for international roles, there are literally thousands of open positions. The question is just how good are you to fill those roles. Some of us were just favoured by God.
I don't know about other industries but you see tech. It's easier to get a tech job in Nigeria than it is to get a remote job. It's just that the pay is not that good. 100k to maybe 150 for a junior max. Some companies pay like 500k to seniors. There's no tech job in Nigeria that has up to 20 applicants and honestly most of these applicants majority of them don't even know anything about tech. They just apply to jobs for applying sake.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by Lindner: 11:00pm On Oct 20
tensazangetsu20:

I don't know about other industries but you see tech. It's easier to get a tech job in Nigeria than it is to get a remote job. It's just that the pay is not that good. 100k to maybe 150 for a junior max. Some companies pay like 500k to seniors. There's no tech job in Nigeria that has up to 20 applicants and honestly most of these applicants majority of them don't even know anything about tech. They just apply to jobs for applying sake.

You may be correct. I know absolutely nothing about the Nigerian market.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 11:11pm On Oct 20
Lindner:


You may be correct. I know absolutely nothing about the Nigerian market.
Yeah and even the code tests from Nigerian firms are extremely easy. I was able to pass them even learning code from my room. With foreign companies it's a different ball game. You start to see hacker rank, leetcode. Even when the code tests you are given relate to the job you are doing and not algo based, they are extremely difficult. For frontend you can be given an extremely difficult design to implement with all functionalities present. A friend of mine that works at a gaming company got a game to build in react. Some of their tests make you wish you got algos instead.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by Avast(m): 3:42am On Oct 21
tensazangetsu20:

2 but they were huge sha. It took me two months to finish.

Boss can you point us to your projects, just to look how mighty they are.

So as a newbie I should have a kind of guide to build nothing less than that when starting to have my own projects.

Thanks
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 9:52am On Oct 21
Avast:


Boss can you point us to your projects, just to look how mighty they are.

So as a newbie I should have a kind of guide to build nothing less than that when starting to have my own projects.

Thanks
My projects to me then were impressive but looking back now they were absolutely horrible

Do not base them infact do 100 times better. This are the projects I had

https://chinomso1995.github.io/mini-fintech-application/

https://pizza-application.netlify.app/.


If I was to learn code today I would advise you to imitate yinka a close friend of mine. This is his own portfolio http://yinkakun.co

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by Avast(m): 10:28am On Oct 21
tensazangetsu20:

My projects to me then were impressive but looking back now they were absolutely horrible

Do not base them infact do 100 times better. This are the projects I had

https://chinomso1995.github.io/mini-fintech-application/

https://pizza-application.netlify.app/.


If I was to learn code today I would advise you to imitate yinka a close friend of mine. This is his own portfolio http://yinkakun.co

You are blessed boss.
Thank you boss, I really appreciate.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by toby345(m): 1:04pm On Oct 21
tensazangetsu20:

My projects to me then were impressive but looking back now they were absolutely horrible

Do not base them infact do 100 times better. This are the projects I had

https://chinomso1995.github.io/mini-fintech-application/

https://pizza-application.netlify.app/.


If I was to learn code today I would advise you to imitate yinka a close friend of mine. This is his own portfolio http://yinkakun.co
Wow this paga site is awesome and funny enough i know Yinka also i follow him on Twitter
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by genaro2000(m): 9:44pm On Oct 21
tensazangetsu20:

My projects to me then were impressive but looking back now they were absolutely horrible

Do not base them infact do 100 times better. This are the projects I had

https://chinomso1995.github.io/mini-fintech-application/

https://pizza-application.netlify.app/.


If I was to learn code today I would advise you to imitate yinka a close friend of mine. This is his own portfolio http://yinkakun.co
Men, I took a look at your guy’s portfolio, that guy is too much o, that’s years of experience.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 9:45pm On Oct 21
genaro2000:

Men, I took a look at your guy’s portfolio, that guy is too much o, that’s years of experience.
Years of experience ke. He just got his first job this week. Hes also a junior dev.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by genaro2000(m): 10:24pm On Oct 21
tensazangetsu20:

Years of experience ke. He just got his first job this week. Hes also a junior dev.
He really put in a lot of hours

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 10:32pm On Oct 21
genaro2000:

He really put in a lot of hours
I know right. This is what a junior dev should aim for not crappy looking garbage shit projects.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by belovez(m): 11:50pm On Oct 21
tensazangetsu20:

My own friend started learning data science in 2019. That was a year before I learnt coding. I have switched like 3 jobs now and he's yet to get the first data science one. I have told him to abandon that crap he said AI is the future. Future my ass. Person no go chop for present.

You are funny man grin grin grin grin, if I may ask that your friend has he gotten a Data science job now and did he continue with the AI?
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 12:28am On Oct 22
belovez:


You are funny man grin grin grin grin, if I may ask that your friend has he gotten a Data science job now and did he continue with the AI?
He hasn't o. He started learning web development now.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by airsaylongcome: 7:07am On Oct 22
Tensa, I tell you for free that that your guy isn't good. I had always wanted to go into DS but had been lazy about it. Carelessly applied for a Customer Data analyst role a few weeks back and after all the rigmarole got an offer I declined because work times clashes with my current "easy" role. I don't know R, Python or Tableau. Just very good intermediate knowledge of excel and basic SQL. And I still got the offer. Your guy should work on improving his ability to decipher the intelligence gleaned from the analytics. That's where the strength is. I was given data that I mangled in excel. I saw some trends and made inference on what was driving those and explained my rationale for those.

Anyway after that role I've decided to seriously take up DS focusing on Data Analysis. I enjoyed the kick I got from all that advanced excel stuff

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 7:22am On Oct 22
airsaylongcome:
Tensa, I tell you for free that that your guy isn't good. I had always wanted to go into DS but had been lazy about it. Carelessly applied for a Customer Data analyst role a few weeks back and after all the rigmarole got an offer I declined because work times clashes with my current "easy" role. I don't know R, Python or Tableau. Just very good intermediate knowledge of excel and basic SQL. And I still got the offer. Your guy should work on improving his ability to decipher the intelligence gleaned from the analytics. That's where the strength is. I was given data that I mangled in excel. I saw some trends and made inference on what was driving those and explained my rationale for those.

Anyway after that role I've decided to seriously take up DS focusing on Data Analysis. I enjoyed the kick I got from all that advanced excel stuff
Sir you already have a bit of IT experience. Once the experience is there transitioning from one field to another isn't hard. A web developer can easily transition from web development to game development or data science easily. The experience is there. I have no data science experience but I am very well sure if I start applying to data science jobs I will get something because I have some programming experience. The Koko is experience which he doesn't have and data science isn't easy for an absolute beginner to Break into with no experience.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by airsaylongcome: 8:05am On Oct 22
tensazangetsu20:

Sir you already have a bit of IT experience. Once the experience is there transitioning from one field to another isn't hard. A web developer can easily transition from web development to game development or data science easily. The experience is there. I have no data science experience but I am very well sure if I start applying to data science jobs I will get something because I have some programming experience. The Koko is experience which he doesn't have and data science isn't easy for an absolute beginner to Break into with no experience.

Lol.... Why you come dey call me "sir" na? grin. Totally agree with you that experience played some factor. Sometimes you just have to be confident to wing it. Personally though, I think a lot of IT folks should start considering Support roles whether Customer Support or Technical Support as an entry route to remote work. Many already have experience especially in our environment where we buy pre-owned laptops that end up being faulty. Or we have to get software working in underpowered computers. I think we already have the basics for these support roles. Development isn't the only route
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by tensazangetsu20(m): 8:07am On Oct 22
airsaylongcome:


Lol.... Why you come dey call me "sir" na? grin. Totally agree with you that experience played some factor. Sometimes you just have to be confident to wing it. Personally though, I think a lot of IT folks should start considering Support roles whether Customer Support or Technical Support as an entry route to remote work. Many already have experience especially in our environment where we buy pre-owned laptops that end up being faulty. Or we have to get software working in underpowered computers. I think we already have the basics for these support roles. Development isn't the only route
I mentioned this on nairaland last year and what is funny is that a lot of technical support roles still ask for your web development skills. If you check we work remotely for customer support roles you still see web development stacks added to it.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by airsaylongcome: 8:10am On Oct 22
tensazangetsu20:

I mentioned this on nairaland last year and what is funny is that a lot of technical support roles still ask for your web development skills. If you check we work remotely for customer support roles you still see web development stacks added to it.

Not sure about the need for web development skills across all o. Most require prior customer support experience but I do not know if I have come across any that need web dev knowledge. I crawl that website almost daily looking for roles to send to some close friends I mentor.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by GeneralDae: 8:34am On Oct 22
tensazangetsu20:

He hasn't o. He started learning web development now.
Data analysis have aways been in demand. The problem is everybody wants to just fly into Data science to do python. Data analysis requires just advanced excel and tableau skills at the minimum without any coding knowledge. It is easier to transition into Data science roles from there.
Just imagine trying to apply as a backend or fullstack developer without knowledge of frontend development.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by Raalsalghul: 9:08am On Oct 22
GeneralDae:

Data analysis have aways been in demand. The problem is everybody wants to just fly into Data science to do python. Data analysis requires just advanced excel and tableau skills at the minimum without any coding knowledge. It is easier to transition into Data science roles from there.
Just imagine trying to apply as a backend or fullstack developer without knowledge of frontend development.

This is very true!
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by airsaylongcome: 9:11am On Oct 22
GeneralDae:

Data analysis have aways been in demand. The problem is everybody wants to just fly into Data science to do python. Data analysis requires just advanced excel and tableau skills at the minimum without any coding knowledge. It is easier to transition into Data science roles from there.
Just imagine trying to apply as a backend or fullstack developer without knowledge of frontend development.

I completely disagree that you need to know Frontend before you can do backend programming. I agree that FE can be a gentle introduction to programming but it is most definitely not a requirement to learn backend programming.

Completely agree though that you can get into Data Analysis with only a very good knowledge of excel (and an inquisitive/questioning mind). But you can also go in the deep end by starting off learning R or Python.

I'm from the very old school of programming where we learnt programming when Procedural Programming using subroutines and functions was the in thing. You literally could learn programming with Pascal or C++ or even Java as your first programming language
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by GeneralDae: 10:06am On Oct 22
airsaylongcome:


I completely disagree that you need to know Frontend before you can do backend programming. I agree that FE can be a gentle introduction to programming but it is most definitely not a requirement to learn backend programming.

Completely agree though that you can get into Data Analysis with only a very good knowledge of excel (and an inquisitive/questioning mind). But you can also go in the deep end by starting off learning R or Python.

I'm from the very old school of programming where we learnt programming when Procedural Programming using subroutines and functions was the in thing. You literally could learn programming with Pascal or C++ or even Java as your first programming language
Yeah I agree you can go in the deep end first, but in terms of the job market, there are usually more data analysis jobs than data science jobs.
When I bought my first computer, I started with stuff like java and python those days even with just a very sketchy/ rudimentary knowledge of Microsoft Word, and you wouldn't believe it, I knew nothing in excel at a time and yet I could write python functions, loops, dictionaries, etc.

So I agree with you that we can start from the deep end while learning. Most people think if you know programming, then you are already a Master in Excel, Word, PowerPoint, etc. They forget it's all about what you spend your time on.
However, when applying to jobs in the data space, I still believe that although you can start learning from the deep end, still it is easier to see more vacancies for jobs that may require just Excel and SQL.

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Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by Carmal90(m): 10:27am On Oct 22
airsaylongcome:


I completely disagree that you need to know Frontend before you can do backend programming. I agree that FE can be a gentle introduction to programming but it is most definitely not a requirement to learn backend programming.

Completely agree though that you can get into Data Analysis with only a very good knowledge of excel (and an inquisitive/questioning mind). But you can also go in the deep end by starting off learning R or Python.

I'm from the very old school of programming where we learnt programming when Procedural Programming using subroutines and functions was the in thing. You literally could learn programming with Pascal or C++ or even Java as your first programming language

Morning, there is this friend of mine that is finding it difficult to grasp web development ( we are actually both finding it hard) but me, i am very sure i will finally get the hold of web development..

But this my friend, he has resigned to fate that he can't know web development, at least for now...
My question is if i want to advise him to start with data analyst/analysis using excel, pls what concept in excel should he learn?
Any clue if how he should start? Any YouTube channel to suggest? Any udemy course to recommend?
Thanks sir.
Re: The Myth Of Saturation With Regards To Web Development. by airsaylongcome: 10:44am On Oct 22
Carmal90:


Morning, there is this friend of mine that is finding it difficult to grasp web development ( we are actually both finding it hard) but me, i am very sure i will finally get the hold of web development..

But this my friend, he has resigned to fate that he can't know web development, at least for now...
My question is if i want to advise him to start with data analyst/analysis using excel, pls what concept in excel should he learn?
Any clue if how he should start? Any YouTube channel to suggest? Any udemy course to recommend?
Thanks sir.

So it would be a wrong mindset to want to learn excel for Data Analysis. Excel is a multifaceted tool capable of unbelievable things. I'd say he should become competent at using excel and Data Analysis will happen naturally. For YouTube channel, I would recommend Leila Gharani and MyOnlineHub. There are other excellent channels that I may not be aware off. But you see that Leila Gharani channel, I've learned more there than anywhere else

Edit
Apparently she has a Udemy Course
Udemy – Excel Essentials for the Real World (Complete Excel Course)

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