AntiChristian:
Alhamdulillah I'm not a Christian.

Speaklove:


Why are you not a christian sir?

AntiChristian:


Because I'm antichristian.

Speaklove:


Why are you AntiChristian sir,
When christ died for you?

AntiChristian:


Christ na dibia or Babalawo for him to die for me?

I no be ritualist o!

Speaklove:


For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

AntiChristian:



God/Human won't die for anybody except in ritualism. If your dad sends you to be killed for your other siblings, that's not love but murder!

Speaklove:


If your dad has hundred (100)children,
then ninety - nine (99) of those children (among whom you "AntiChristian" are) got lost into a eternal city (hell) where no one would ever go out of it once they enter therein (they are lost for eternity) without receiving an exchange of another person , and he found out that the remaining one child is worth the atonement of the (99) nine that were lost (could be used to save them) of whom you "AntiChristian" is among them, (you are also among the lost children ) then refuses to give that one whose lost would be temporal (would die only in time, but would be alive in eternity) that is an example of a dad who doesn't love his children.

But we have a father who love, and cared so much for us.
That is why it is written :

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

AntiChristian:



The father you pictured is not Al-Powerful. He can't do all things without sacrifice. Well, what he did is still called murder.

AntiChristian:

A father who is Almighty, Al-Powerful can save people without spilling another's blood.
A father who is Almighty, Al-Powerful needs no son/partner/helper to function and save others.

Speaklove:


The Father I am talking about is all powerful but he is not lawless as you expect.
It's only a lawless father that does all things without boundaries - imagine your dad beating you up because he was told you did something wrong without hearing your own side of the story just because he is your father .
If you're father bailed you out of prison with all he has even when you don't whort it, that is called love.

A father who is the king of a kingdom whose son broke the law must still fulfill the righteous requirements of the law before that his son would ever be free even though he is the number one leader of the kingdom.

A father who is Almighty , Al-powerful still need instruments through which is power could find expression -

that is why Allah isn't the one who fought the enemies of islam, but he still need the prophet muhammad, and the Mujahideens (Islamic army like the Taliban) before islam could ever spread or conquer territories even though you think he is almighty and Al-powerful.

Why did he need jihadist to spread islam even though he is Al-powerful?
Why can't he just speak from heaven into the hearts of men and make them believe directly instead of sending soldiers to fight them into believing.

My brother this is food for thought, and the inspired words of the holy spirit that he spoke through me to you.
Please open your heart and believe.

Speaklove:

My brother this is food for thought, and the inspired words of the holy spirit that he spoke through me to you.
Please open your heart and believe.

AntiChristian:


God is not bound by our laws. Anyone who sins can be forgiven without him shedding needless blood. If you commit an offense to your father, will he tell you he needs the death of your brother to forgive you? Never! This is murder!

AntiChristian:

And which prison are you that needs human blood for you to be bailed out? That's ritualistic just like Babalawo/Dibia things.

MaxInDHouse:


The above comments is a crime against God's Holy Spirit!

MaxInDHouse post=105446932
First of all Jesus never taught his own followers to call anyone who doesn't accept his teachings "BROTHER" {Matthew 12:46-50} so for you to have referred to someone who openly told you he is against Christianity as "BROTHER" shows you don't know Christ at all.
[/quote:


All humans are brothers in the flesh having proceed from one man called Adam the Father of all mankind.
All true believers are brethren in spirit having being born of God, born again through the indwelling of God's holy spirit.

So when I called him brother you should have known what I meant, but at least now you know.

You said I don't know christ please pray for me that I may know him, and also pray for yourself that he may know you as you have known him, so that on the last day it might not be said to you = DEPART FROM ME FOR I KNOW YOU NOT.
As it is written
Luke 13:27
[27]But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
Jesus loves much more than you can ever imagine so if he set a standard on how to show love then try to follow his pattern! 1Peter 2:21

MaxInDHouse post=105446932
Saying God's Holy Spirit asked you to tell anyone anything is a LIE, it's due to your ability to convince your listener that they will feel that you've gotten something they don't have! Matthew 7:28-29; John 4:40-42[/quote:


I think it is better for the scriptures to speak for themselves
Matthew 10:19-20
[19]But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak;
[20]for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

The lord himself said here
John 14:9-10
[9]Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
[10]Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

So I think you should also spell out what does scriptures you quoted were saying so that I wouldn't feel as if you are trying to let me know you have what I don't have ,
instead we could gain more understanding.
So you will do well to quote out what the scriptures you quoted said.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
Stop lying against the Holy Spirit when you're unable to convince your listeners it's a sin against God's Holy Spirit and such a sin is unforgivable! Matthew 12:31-32

MaxInDHouse post=105446932
When the spirit is speaking through you it's the power in the WORD that will touch the heart of your listener {Hebrews 4:12} and mind you faith is not a possession of all kinds of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} so only those having the right heart will receive the truth with joy! Matthew 13:23[/quote:


You said when the Spirit speaks through you now, but you denied the same fact earlier saying I lied, I committed a sin.
Are you not lying now?
Haven't you committed the same sin sir?

So your answer is no, then I have been justified by what I said to AntiChristian
And if I am justified then why are you trying to refute my post sir?

We should learn to love one another as you pointed out that the lord jesus christ laid out as an example for us.
We should stop hating each other because of differences in doctrine or denomination, instead we should seek for the goodness, and blessings of our fellow man or brethren in faith.


[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
May you have PEACE!

Speaklove:

Help me understand how it a crime.

Speaklove:

Do you said Lie?
1 Corinthians 2:13
[13]When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words GIVEN to us BY the SPIRIT , using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths.
The fact that you don't hear the Spirit doesn't mean others don't

Speaklove:

For he said "my sheep hears my voice. "So I don't know where the lie you are talking about came from.
I thought
I am not the one who would convince them it is the holy spirit, so why I you contradicting yourself?

MaxInDHouse:


The Apostles could say God's Spirit is speaking through them, they were talking to the people in the congregation who already BELIEVE that God is using the Apostles as the Spirit is working miraculously in the midst of the Congregation through the hands of the Apostles. So when they say God's Holy Spirit is speaking they meant this is God's message to them since the Bible (God's complete word) has not been sealed. But after the completion of the Bible no Christian will tell you God's spirit is speaking through him when you're not a believer! So telling someone who doesn't even believe in God or the Bible that God's Holy Spirit is speaking through you when he hasn't seen anything supernatural to authenticate God's presence with you is like complicating issues. You will cause more harm than the good you're thinking!


It's Jesus' Apostles with whom God made the New Covenant that's speaking here, after their death such things ceased {1Corinthians 13:8-10} WHY? Because God is not for confusion, there's a reason why He chose to speak directly with the Apostles and that's because all the information mankind needed to live holy lives is not yet completed in the Bible book of Genesis to Malachi but after the last Bible book (Revelations) God never spoke directly to anyone again, that's why He (God) could lay a curse on anyone who say "God said" when it's not found in the Bible! Revelations 22:18-19
If God still speaks directly with people after the completion of the Bible then there will be confusion and contradictions because many will say things that's unscriptural and since you want to believe that God still speaks directly with people there's no way to silence them. An example is a man from Saudi Arabia called Muhammad who claimed God's angel (Gabriel) delivered messages to him!



No it's your efficacy that will convince your listeners not God's Holy Spirit because it's not working in unbelievers but believers. So when God's spirit is speaking through you there are two responses you should be expecting.


ONE: if they're honest hearted they will be moved to admit that you're about to convince them so it's either they become believers or shy away with excuses but the message will continue to linger in their hearts! Act 2:37; 26:24-28

TWO: if they're dishonest they will become mad at you for saying things that's beating their conscience when they're not ready to yield so they will attack you verbally or physically! Act 7:54; 14:19

So God's Holy Spirit works with the believer not the unbeliever, it's the conscience that will make the unbeliever feel the energy (heat) in what is protruding out of your mouth {Hebrews 4:12} it's then left to the listener whether to act in line with what he heard as a believer (one trusting energetic word) or not! 1Thessalonians 2:13

Speaklove:

You kept contradicting yourself, and that is a sign that there is a problem somewhere.
Open your heart and let that same holy spirit touch your heart sir.
You said the holy spirit works only in believers, but take time to read this words from the mouth of our Lord Jesus christ himself Sir.
Read carefully.
John 16:7-11
[7]Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
[8]And when He has come, He WILL CONVICT THE WORLD OF SIN , and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[9]of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
[10]of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
[11]of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
He said he would CONVICT the WORLD .
So why do you think you has a mortal can convict the Spirit of a man when you say God's spirit can't.
Are you greater than God?
Please sir let us submit to God in truth.
Let us humble ourselves before him and seek truth from him, and not just what our various denominations tells us.
The holy spirit is the Spirit of truth,
The holy spirit is a "He" and not An "it"
The holy spirit is a person not a force.
The holy spirit is the truth not just the words

AntiChristian:


The king is the law maker. He is not bound to the law. This King needs no son to function. He needs no helper/ no wife/ no partner in His dominion! 

AntiChristian:


Yeah Allah created us to worship Him alone without partners! He sure created the Angels to obey Him alone too. You are right in some ways some wars are offensive, some defensive and usually it was between the Muslims and the disbelievers.

MaxInDHouse:


CONVICT differs from CONVINCE.
Of course it's after the Holy Spirit has worked out fine qualities in the gathering of God's people that unbelievers will shamelessly admit that true Christians have something unique! John 13:34-35

Where you're getting it wrong is thinking God's spirit will convince the unbeliever to believe God's word. If that's the case then everyone supposed to believe in God after all it's God himself that will convince them not what they're hearing from christians!

Jesus preached, taught people and performed the greatest miracles the world has ever seen throughout Israel for three and a half years but what does he have to show for it? Only 500 became believers!

If it's God's Holy Spirit that's convincing all those listening to him then what happened to the rest of the people most especially many of his disciples that stopped following him? John 6:66

My friend, the Holy Spirit only works with the believers so the unbelievers are left with their God's given conscience! Romans 1:20

Speaklove:
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Wether war is offensive or not war is war, and he didn't come down to fight by himself even though you claimed he is all powerful, so this has convicted you that even though God is
ALL -  POWERFUL  he showcases his greatly through men sometimes.

And you have done well to agree

Speaklove:
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The king is the lawmaker and why makes laws is because he doesn't want Lawlessness.
If he is not bound to laws neither would it be necessary for his subjects to be bounds to it,
They can go on and be lawless, because the laws of a kingdom are reflections of the mind, will, purposes of the King which are enacted to become the predominant lifestyle of the people.

If Allah is not bound by laws then is there Lawlessness in jannah?
Even though he is not bound by the laws, has he broken the laws?
If God almighty break his own laws, how then do you think his subjects who are mere mortals  won't break it either ?
If he breaks it because he is God how much more would his subjects break the laws because they are weaker vessel?

My friend think meditate, and seek the truth while it can still be found

Speaklove:

Spell out what the scriptures you quoted says, and leave philosophies, and man made doctrines behind.
At least you should have refute the scriptures that I quoted earlier which says the holy spirit do convict the world.
If you disagree with the scriptures then with what would you agree?
Argue with clearly spelled out scriptures if you have any important thing to say if not let's talk about how we can edify each other extend of arguing, since you disagreed with what the Lord himself said.
It's a waste of time to keep arguing.
I want to learn and also teach others.
I don't want to learn from those who are not in conformity with the mind of God, but the philosophies of men.

AntiChristian:

The question you should ask is why Yahweh did the followings in red

MaxInDHouse:


The problem you have is the translation you're using!

And when that one comes, he will give the world CONVINCING EVIDENCE concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: John 16:8

God's Holy Spirit will never speak to or through any unbeliever after Pentecost because God only promise that His spirit will deal only with those who enter into the New Covenant {Joel 2:28-30 compare to Act 2:16-18} but God's Holy Spirit will dwell in the midst of true believers so that unbelievers can SEE the EVIDENCE that the believers have something unique! Matthew 5:13-16


So your assumption that God's Holy Spirit will convince unbelievers is a misconception!

AntiChristian:


Which laws does your King make that He is subjected to?




Allah created humans, Jinn and every other thing that exists! The Angels do not disobey Allah in His commands according to the Islamic belief unlike man and Jinn who have freewill.

Allah is not a human nor a Jinn nor any of His creations! So He is not subjected to the rulings of His creation!

Speaklove:

You said [b]And when that one comes, HE WILL GIVE the world CONVINCING EVIDENCE concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: John 16:8[/b
HE WILL GIVE and not BELIEVERS WILL GIVE
So why are you contradicting yourself still?
The issue isn't my translation but your man made doctrine, and the traditions of men that makes the word of God of no effect.
As it is written
Matthew 15:8-9
[8]‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me.
[9]And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN .’ ”

Speaklove:


Are you saying angels don't have freewill and are programed like robots so they won't sin?

Secondly, I wasn't talking about the law of God's creation but the laws that God himself put in place in his own realm (jannah)
Because there is no Lawlessness in jannah

Speaklove:
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You should ask yourself what he did in red upon the cross of calvary, and go to the pool of Salim where your spiritual  blindness can be cured

AntiChristian:

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Another massacre.



It seem it gets from bad to worse!

1 Kings 13:1-2
At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you."

Very sick indeed.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

[b] So you can beat your slave as much as you like, just make sure IT doesn't die, and I call the slave it since a slave is a mere possession according to the Bible.[