nyiamfrank:
Another Otellectual has been spotted!

you are wrong it is otule-ctual an in Otule


U gerit?

If you don't Gerrit forget about it

The reason is because we see separation as a bad thing. It's our mindset. It's not a must to be with someone, if it's not working, both parties should understand it's not working and go their separate ways. We were separate before, the British came to merge us without consulting us so why do we insist on maintaining British idea? Even Britain seoerated from EU where they've been for ages. Even Scotland did referendum twice to pull out from UK but majority said they want to remain.

Whether people separate through war or peace will be their choice. But if Yorubas wants to breakout, Biafra will never join Fulanis to fight Oduduwa to remain. Niger Delta will not do the same so what are we talking about

YoungLionken:


USSR,Yugoslavia's not Nigeria. Africa in general, makes use of force more than dialogue..

By the way, you're not unaware of the crisis currently going on in the east, the massacre against the Nigerian security operatives...

That's your opinion not fact.

What are you afraid of if we go our separate ways?

SangoOlukosoOba:
Secession has never been the solution

Why do elders sound unreasonable sometimes? Let's change the constitution but if the people who swear to uphold the constitution, enforce it and review it are still these crop of Nigerian politicians, nothing will change.

Just like the arrival of a new boss makes everyone to sit tight until they understand him, the arrival of new nations, with new structures and new political enthusiasts will at least align every citizen to sit tight waiting for the new direction to go. That alone is a foundation for new and better things and it cannot happen with the so-called restructuring or constitution review. Stop deceiving yourselves old men. The future is for the youths you've lived in the past until now.

afroniger:


https://tribuneonlineng.com/secession-not-solution-1999-constitution-is-problem-adebanjo/

Talking rubbish

The number of people in support is increasing everyday. People are talking about it everyday. Everyday, we see reasons to separate. Sooner or later, it will definitely happen.

DMerciful:
Na for mouth? If push comes to shove, will you stand by this? Will the majority of Yorubas support Oduduwa nation? Things like this can't be done without majority

DMerciful:
You see how you're changing the goal post?

Tell me among these countries, which of them were doing better when they were in former Yugoslavia as a country?

Bosnia and Herzegovina
Croatia
Kosovo
Montenegro
North Macedonia
Serbia
Slovenia

Change goal post how?

They were not a country then, they were all part of an entity then and had no structure they have now, so no way to compare.

DMerciful:
The Southern Protectorate was like a country with its govt. The Northern protectorate was also like a country. They were merge together for Britain's benefit.

Also, the Benin kingdom, Oyo empire, Kanem-borno empire etc were like countries then and they existed for thousands of years alone before British came so why are we afraid to stay alone?

You seems to be avoiding Yugoslavia and USSR, why?

You see, there was nothing like the southern, Eastern or western whatever, that word is a creation of the British criminals.

Majority were tiny clans, villages, ethnic congregations except for few Kingdoms you listed above.

The ones you listed above are less than 10% (tribes) that makes up the present Nigeria, the rest were mostly villages with knit-tight clans.

Infact the 'Yoruba' which did not exist then were fighting each other before the criminals came.

Everyone was either being the oppressor or the oppressed then. (slave trades, wars, etc)

I did not avoid anything, maybe you're not reading what I am typing, rather looking for what you want to see.

YoungLionken:
Elders sit together and discuss possible solutions to problems but, children go for destruction!

For those of you clamoring for war.. War doesn't produce results without damage...

Ogah you can't have peace without war

Are you saying we will be like Yugoslavia?

Are you saying we will be worse than we are now?

Are you saying when we are separated, each country cannot find solutions to their problems?

somehow:


Doing better in what sense?
Can you back this up?
Yugoslavia on its own is not even a country known to have the resources to cater for those countries that broke out and all of them put together aren't even a model to look at when it comes to prosperity.

ThankYouGod:
Are you saying we will be like Yugoslavia?

Are you saying we will be worse than we are now?

Are you saying when we are separated, each country cannot find solutions to their problems?

Were those within Yugoslavia fighting eachother before they became one?

Now compare with pre-Nigerian era

Everyone was either fighting eachother or running from eachother.

Break this mutherfvcking marriage...

Break this mutherfvcking marriage...

Break this mutherfvcking marriage...

Fvck d British..fvck the British...fvck the British...

Fvck all of you reading this message...fvck this writer...fvck you all...

blackmaine:
Ogah you can't have peace without war

E-warrior, I hope you lead your unit to war when it begins...

Those tiny clans as you called them, were they living independently before the British came? If the British did not come, won't they still be existing? How big is Lithuania? Luxembourg? Malta?

somehow:


You see, there was nothing like the southern, Eastern or western whatever, that word is a creation of the British criminals.

Majority were tiny clans, villages, ethnic congregations except for few Kingdoms you listed above.

The ones you listed above are less than 10% (tribes) that makes up the present Nigeria, the rest were mostly villages with knit-tight clans.

Infact the 'Yoruba' which did not exist then were fighting each other before the criminals came.

Everyone was either being the oppressor or the oppressed then. (slave trades, wars, etc)

I did not avoid anything, maybe you're not reading what I am typing, rather looking for what you want to see.

He made a salient point. Under true federalism, states are autonomous, you eat/earn what you make, FG might collect royalties from natural resources like crude oil, gold, and other mineral and such natural resources. This will bring back healthy competition, I remember the great cocoa pyramids of yesteryears. We can go back to the era of healthy economic competition, and develop this country again. FG controls the military, sea ports, airports etc, while giving states hosting the economic infrastructure payments, this will create rapid development, as every state will strive to maximize their maritime and land opportunities. This will lead to real development, where extracting, processing, refining is being done, employing and empowering a large number of people in the community, as opposed to FG handing out rations to greedy politicians, this is what led to the society we are in today, a few rich political class, and a large population of disillusioned constituents. Empowering the people, giving families abilities to provide basic needs for their kids, help shape the kid into a more responsible adult...this also helps against insecurity and rising crime.

You're making it seems these people that broke out from Yugoslavia weren't wise to have done so....

Nigeria is not working but you seems to be lacking courage for a change

somehow:


Change goal post how?

They were not a country then, they were all part of an entity then and had no structure they have now, so no way to compare.

DMerciful:
You're making it seems these people that broke out from Yugoslavia weren't wise to have done so....

Nigeria is not working but you seems to be lacking courage for a change

I never said so, the grass is always greener.

I don't want the current system and if you read some of my comments, I asked for either True federalism or back to regional system of government we practised after independence.

Break this fake marriage or restructure!

DMerciful:
Those tiny clans as you called them, were they living independently before the British came? If the British did not come, won't they still be existing? How big is Lithuania? Luxembourg? Malta?

Then we will have more than 100 to 200 countries within Nigeria.

The Eastern Nigeria alone had different clan living seperately with borders and had clashes.
Same with the southerners and notherners
Worse of them all were the westerners always fighting eachother.

The Bini kingdom was there dealing with smaller tribes and other 'strong kingdoms' .

So except you're looking for a situation of about 100 Countries, we weren't living peacefully according to history.

Even till today, Cross rivers and Akwa Ibom aren't in good terms.

Anambra and Abia aren't either.

etc

People supporting one Nigeria (who are not politicians or feeding fat on government) are like people in abusive relationships, hoping the situations will change. They always end in tears of blood. The sooner you realise and leave the better.

Plus Character Capacity and Compassion to implement it correctly.

So how come we existed for over a thousand years before the British came? You're making it seems the British came to save us from extinction

somehow:


Then we will have more than 100 to 200 countries within Nigeria.

The Eastern Nigeria alone had different clan living seperately with borders and had clashes.
Same with the southerners and notherners
Worse of them all were the westerners always fighting eachother.

The Bini kingdom was there dealing with smaller tribes and other 'strong kingdoms' .

So except you're looking for a situation of about 100 Countries, we weren't living peacefully according to history.

Even till today, Cross rivers and Akwa Ibom aren't in good terms.

Anambra and Abia aren't either.

etc

blizard44:
I am afraid it is.

You can't have a country where some people are expected to infinitely endure while others enjoy and expect to make headway.

Some sections of this country have time and time again taken to the fore to articulate their challenges and proffer solutions but are mocked and jeered at instead.

Is it the straight face nepotism , the raw hate and deliberate exclusionism that have been incorporated into statehood that should warrant a desire to be together?

Merely mentioning the need to restructure usually meets a brick wall barbed with threats of war not to talk of even raising the main issues.

You ain't far from the truth. Keep it up.

I also want the regional system or true federalism but if the Fulanis say over their dead body what else will you do?

Is it then not wise to have the Biafra nation, Oduduwa nation, Lower Niger Republic, Middle Belt Republic and Arewanistan? South Korea is not bigger than Oyo State!

somehow:


I never said so, the grass is always greener.

I don't want the current system and if you read some of my comments, I asked for either True federalism or back to regional system of government we practised after independence.

DMerciful:
I also want the regional system or true federalism but if the Fulanis say over their dead body what else will you do?

Is it then not wise to have the Biafra nation, Oduduwa nation, Lower Niger Republic, Middle Belt Republic and Arewanistan? South Korea is not bigger than Oyo State!

No, it's not wiser if the same set of people running individual states are still going to be in the so called countries.

It won't be wider if the same citizens reaping eachother off remains with same attitude in the small countries.

How many are we self that we are making it seems like we are the only country with huge population and different group of people?

They can't say over their dead body because they are not the only one in the senate and rep, nor are they the only one ruling executive wise. they can't have more than 4 years.

If truly the rest wanted to break away, why did they not do it between 1999 and 2007?
Why not during 2009 to 2015?

Was it the Fulani that held them back too?

DMerciful:
So how come we existed for over a thousand years before the British came? You're making it seems the British came to save us from extinction

We existed fighting eachother
marrying plenty wives to have plenty children so as to have manpower to defend ourselves.

What I am saying is not peculiar to Nigerians or Africans alone, it's a human way of fighting extinction.

Yes! The North has far more national assembly members and constitutional amendment requires probably 2/3 majority ( I'm not sure) but even a simple majority, southerners can't get it. Mind you the clamour for separation is increasing as the insecurity is increasing so when you talk of 1999-2007 and then 2015....we were not having Fulani herdsmen coming down south to kill and rape people in the farms. We were not talking of bandits.Nigeria is tagged a country with high levels of terrorism because of northern groups like bokoharam, herdsmen and bandits. This tagging reduces foreign direct investment cos people naturally avoid terrorists nations.

Another thing is that we run a structure were the people benefitting the most contribute almost zero. It's a fraudulent system, so it's understandable why they insist on the status quo

somehow:


They can't say over their dead body because they are not the only one in the senate and rep, nor are they the only one ruling executive wise. they can't have more than 4 years.

If truly the rest wanted to break away, why did they not do it between 1999 and 2007?
Why not during 2009 to 2015?

Was it the Fulani that held them back too?

lol not only the constitution but old geezers like you and so many politicians should be wiped out

You said it's not peculiar to Africans alone so the solutions that others have used should also work for us. Except we don't want it to work. Europe that amalgamated different people into countries without consulting them if they want to live with each other divided themselves into practically people of similar ethnicity. no wonder European countries are so small. Portugal was joining people together but what's their size, probably the size of Niger State. Same as Britain and Spain. They themselves refused to merge but merged others. Many European countries are like states in Nigeria.... because they understand if you bring people of different ethnicity together, it takes so much resources to progress

somehow:


We existed fighting eachother
marrying plenty wives to have plenty children so as to have manpower to defend ourselves.

What I am saying is not peculiar to Nigerians or Africans alone, it's a human way of fighting extinction.

DMerciful:
You said it's not peculiar to Africans alone so the solutions that others have used should also work for us. Except we don't want it to work. Europe that amalgamated different people into countries without consulting them if they want to live with each other divided themselves into practically people of similar ethnicity. no wonder European countries are so small. Portugal was joining people together but what's their size, probably the size of Niger State. Same as Britain and Spain. They themselves refused to merge but merged others. Many European countries are like states in Nigeria.... because they understand if you bring people of different ethnicity together, it takes so much resources to progress

I repeat again, our problem is not really because we are together but the terms of our togetherness.

DMerciful:
Yes! The North has far more national assembly members and constitutional amendment requires probably 2/3 majority ( I'm not sure) but even a simple majority, southerners can't get it. Mind you the clamour for separation is increasing as the insecurity is increasing so when you talk of 1999-2007 and then 2015....we were not having Fulani herdsmen coming down south to kill and rape people in the farms. We were not talking of bandits.Nigeria is tagged a country with high levels of terrorism because of northern groups like bokoharam, herdsmen and bandits. This tagging reduces foreign direct investment cos people naturally avoid terrorists nations.

Another thing is that we run a structure were the people benefitting the most contribute almost zero. It's a fraudulent system, so it's understandable why they insist on the status quo

Is the north also the reason most states are badly run?

afroniger:


https://tribuneonlineng.com/secession-not-solution-1999-constitution-is-problem-adebanjo/

Why are pole scared of secession even?
We are already divided , secession will make it official