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South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by TMKsouth: 7:59pm On Jun 08
Julius Malema is the leader (CIC) of the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) political party in South Africa. He retweeted this message from the EFF sending out condolences to the family of Pastor TB Joshua.

Many South Africans were offended by this message as they believe the pastor never took responsibility for the over 80 South Africans who were killed following the church collapse incident of 2014 in Lagos.

Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by TMKsouth: 8:00pm On Jun 08
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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Nobody: 8:06pm On Jun 08
It's bad to criticize or mock a man of God

Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Ohizfly(m): 8:14pm On Jun 08
Light my kpoli
May God help us all
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by TMKsouth: 8:14pm On Jun 08
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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by michlins(m): 8:17pm On Jun 08
And these people actually think that their opinion matters in the scheme of things.


Na instead of them to take their anger towards their government and that of Nigeria for their inability to prosecute him, they're venting on a representative with no actual executive powers
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by longetivity(m): 8:17pm On Jun 08
South Africans are foolish bastard, RIP pastor TB JOSHUA
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Coldshisha: 8:19pm On Jun 08
When Mandela's wife seeked help she was at Synagogue


Thousands of South African troop in to ikotun SCOAN yet paying mere tribute is a crime

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by nzeobi(m): 8:23pm On Jun 08
In life some will agree and some will disagree so it's allowed.
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Kobojunkie: 8:23pm On Jun 08
TMKsouth:

Many South Africans were offended by this message as they believe the pastor never took responsibility for the over 80 South Africans who died during the church collapse incident of 2014 in Lagos.
I understand their reason for this. undecided

Wole Soyinka said in his statement:

There are those for whom the call is only a hiding place because of our extraordinary veneration for the priesthood in our country. It does not matter what faith it is, whether Muslim, Christian, worshiper of Orisa, Buddhists, whatever it is.” Somehow, religion is nearly national and thus it doesn’t matter who it is or what it is doing. He can get a lot away. Look at TB Joshua, for example, whose congregation fell in whichever chapel it is in Lagos. Not only the Nigerians, nearly 200 or 300. They arrived from South Africa and so on.

He is someone who should have been prosecuted with carelessness for failing to comply with the legislation necessary to build public institutions. The next thing he said was, yeah, that was an air force fighter that ran about and buried mankind. Has he been tried until today?

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Kobojunkie: 8:25pm On Jun 08
Coldshisha:
When Mandela's wife seeked help she was at Synagogue
Thousands of South African troop in to ikotun SCOAN yet paying mere tribute is a crime
So that there gave SCOAN the right to the incident which took place back in 2014, leaving over 100 dead, with TB Joshua quick to put the blame on a phantom plane? undecided

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Coldshisha: 8:30pm On Jun 08
Kobojunkie:
So that gave SCOAN the right to the incident that took place back in 2014 which TB Joshua blamed on a phantom plane? undecided

TB Joshua never blamed a plane, he was asked to give account of what happened which he did with the aide of CCTV footage

Joshua went the whole length of the investigation without holding back, even South Africans team came for forensic
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Kobojunkie: 8:38pm On Jun 08
Coldshisha:
TB Joshua never blamed a plane, he was asked to give account of what happened which he did with the aide of CCTV footage

Joshua went the whole length of the investigation without holding back, even South Africans team came for forensic
See below... Joshua claimed it was a plane that cause the building to collapse. He went as far as to claim that it was likely an attempt on his own life. undecided
Rescue workers have said the building may have collapsed as a result of the construction of additional storeys without reinforcing the foundations.

Mr Joshua has blamed the incident on a small plane which had been circling over the building before it came crashing down on Friday 12 September, and suggested it was an attempt on his life.


Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan visited the church on Saturday and promised to investigate the cause of the tragedy.

He said he would hold talks with stakeholders in the construction industry on how to prevent a repeat of the tragedy, adding that he had expressed his sympathies to Mr Joshua and his church, as well as South African President Jacob Zuma and the families of the deceased.

Mr Joshua is known by his followers across the world as "The Prophet" or "The Man of God".

He claims to work miracles, including raising people from the dead and healing the sick.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29224936.amp

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by TMKsouth: 8:44pm On Jun 08
Kobojunkie:
I understand their reason for this. undecided

This is what I've been telling people: if you're gonna run a mega church inviting people from all over the world via tv, you better ensure that your church structure is solid. So it was obviously very negligent of him.

I'm sorry to offend you as a Nigerian (no offence intended) but building requirements are far stricter in SA and that's why you don't hear stories of collapsed buildings often - they are very rare. That's why South Africans can't understand how this was allowed to happen, whereas Nigerians take it as a norm and think South Africans are being difficult.

I'm glad the honorable Wole Soyinka, whom I respect very much as a South African, called him out on this and created some awareness among your countrymen that the response to this tragedy was criminal.

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by TMKsouth: 8:55pm On Jun 08
Kobojunkie:
See below... Joshua claimed it was a plane that cause the building to collapse. He went as far as to claim that it was likely an attempt on his own life. undecided

True dat.

Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Chidorx60(m): 9:43pm On Jun 08
Kobojunkie:
See below... Joshua claimed it was a plane that cause the building to collapse. He went as far as to claim that it was likely an attempt on his own life. undecided
You disgust me....you are disgusting...and if you claim to be a Christian a thousand shame on you...
How can u be going about from thread to thread defaming a man who has just be declared dead .....all in the name that he was a false prophet..

You,are u real?, are u a real Christian...don't u have secret and presumptuous sins evident in ur life..
.who gave u the right to judge him...

Thoes sending there condolences and mourning his death knows his worth and impact,his love and his kindness...no other man of God exemplified the simplicity of Jesus like TB joushua to me...it's not by speaking grammar and wearing suits...

.I'm sure ur only card against him is his miracles which u feel are controversial...

Buh I bet u, if u were around in the time of Jesus and the apostles...u would have hated them just the way u hate TB Joshua....

If u were a true Christian...u should be worried about his soul since u claim his fake..not defaming him every chance u get..like u are his God...shame on you

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Matheusmartin: 9:51pm On Jun 08
michlins:
And these people actually think that their opinion matters in the scheme of things.


Na instead of them to take their anger towards their government and that of Nigeria for their inability to prosecute him, they're venting on a representative with no actual executive powers
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Their opinions are well directed.

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Matheusmartin: 9:54pm On Jun 08
If the incidence of that building collapse had taken place in a sane country, TB Joshua would have spent his last days on earth rotting away in prison...

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Kobojunkie: 9:59pm On Jun 08
Chidorx60:

You disgust me....you are disgusting...and if you claim to be a Christian a thousand shame on you...
How can u be going about from thread to thread defaming a man who has just be declared dead .....all in the name that he was a false prophet..

You,are u real?, are u a real Christian...don't u have secret and presumptuous sins evident in ur life..
.who gave u the right to judge him...

Thoes sending there condolences and mourning his death knows his worth and impact,his love and his kindness...no other man of God exemplified the simplicity of Jesus like TB joushua to me...it's not by speaking grammar and wearing suits...

.I'm sure ur only card against him is his miracles which u feel are controversial...

Buh I bet u, if u were around in the time of Jesus and the apostles...u would have hated them just the way u hate TB Joshua....

If u were a true Christian...u should be worried about his soul since u claim his fake..not defaming him every chance u get..like u are his God...shame on you
1. Condolences? Did you miss the part where Jesus Christ declared to you saying , "Let the dead bury their dead.."? What good are your condolences to the dead when it will not bring them back or change the choices that have been forever set in their souls? undecided

2. Why worry about the soul of man, especially a man who boldfaced lied and decieved millions to their doom in the name of God? Do you think Jesus Christ warned you against these false teachers and prophets so you could focus on worrying about their souls? undecided

3. Jesus Christ, the one you claim you serve, is the very one who condemned these false prophets and teachers from over 2000 years ago. He spent about 50% of His sermons sensitizing His followers against them and their teachings so they would not be caught in the trap of these same wolves in sheep clothing. undecided

Do you think that lampooning me for heeding Jesus Christ 's warnings will get you a "Better Christian" badge or something? Go for it! Just bear in mind that Jesus Christ said all those who follow after these false teachers and prophets will fall into the very same ditch that their masters fall into at the end. undecided

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Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Kobojunkie: 10:00pm On Jun 08
Matheusmartin:
If the incidence of that building collapse had taken place in a sane country, TB Joshua would have spent his last days on earth rotting away in prison...
Or paying fines through the nose for recklessness. undecided
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Chidorx60(m): 10:04pm On Jun 08
Kobojunkie:
1. Condolences? Did you miss the part where Jesus Christ declared to you saying , "Let the dead bury their dead.."? What good are your condolences to the dead when it will not bring them back or change the choices that have been forever set in their souls? undecided

2. Why worry about the soul of man, especially a man who boldfaced lied and decieved millions to their doom in the name of God? Do you think Jesus Christ warned you against these false teachers and prophets so you could focus on worrying about their souls? undecided

3. Jesus Christ, the one you claim you serve, is the very one who condemned these false prophets and teachers from over 2000 years ago. He spent about 50% of His sermons sensitizing His followers against them and their teachings so they would not be caught in the trap of these same wolves in sheep clothing. undecided

Do you think that lampooning me for heeding Jesus Christ 's warnings will get you a "Better Christian" badge or something? Go for it! Just bear in mind that Jesus Christ said all those who follow after these false teachers and prophets will fall into the very same ditch that their masters fall into at the end. undecided
Shut up ..ode!!!
What's ur definition of a false prophet...bet keep quite and go and look for God...cuz right now Christianity is too divided and becoming joke...
.TB Joshua life was a example of hope that men can still have the love of God...

Don't come here and judge a man better than you in everyvsenves of both humanity and spirituality...u that can't help ur neighbour without the end motive of receiving something either in return or from God...is judging a man who was a father to the needy...u better allow ur conscience to work....
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:06pm On Jun 08
Na wah o! embarassed

So if you pay some engineers to erect a house for you and it actually collapse to kill people, you must be arrested and sent to jail for not building the house all by yourself, shey? undecided

So if TB Joshua should rot in prison for engaging incompetent building contractors, i suppose we should behead the contractors, shey!

Matheusmartin:

If the incidence of that building collapse had taken place in a sane country, TB Joshua would have spent his last days on earth rotting away in prison...
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Kobojunkie: 10:07pm On Jun 08
Chidorx60:

Shut up ..ode!!!
What's ur definition of a false prophet...bet keep quite and go and look for God...cuz right now Christianity is too divided and becoming joke...
.TB Joshua life was a example of hope that men can still have the love of God...

Don't come here and judge a man better than you in everyvsenves of both humanity and spirituality...u that can help ur neighbour without the end motive of receiving something either in return or from God...is judging a man who was a father to the needy...u better allow ur conscience to work....
Again...

1. Jesus Christ is the standard we are all expected to live by and by the standard set and taught by Jesus Christ , this man is and was a false prophet. undecided

If you are able to refute Jesus Christ's own claims against these false prophets then get to it. Otherwise, it will take it that you are just one of the "empty barrel" out there insulting there way into winning brownie points on behalf of a man whose fruits are long Known. undecided
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by TMKsouth: 10:19pm On Jun 08
MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o! embarassed

So if you pay some engineers to erect a house for you and it actually collapse to kill people, you must be arrested and sent to jail for not building the house all by yourself, shey? undecided

So if TB Joshua should rot in prison for engaging incompetent building contractors, i suppose we should behead the contractors, shey!


U make a fair point about the house but once it's a business or public establishment then you are held culpable as the owner, that's why they take out insurance.

TBJ tried to evade this responsibility by blaming a hovering aircraft. According to his website 3 other buildings of his had been destroyed previously. He should've taken extra caution fourth time round with the type of contractor he hired, and also taking out insurance. The guy was inviting people from all over the world to his church - please accept that he should have taken some responsibility for what happened.
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Chidorx60(m): 10:21pm On Jun 08
Kobojunkie:
Again...

1. Jesus Christ is the standard we are all expected to live by and by the standard set and taught by Jesus Christ , this man is and was a false prophet. undecided

If you are able to refute Jesus Christ's own claims against these false prophets then get to it. Otherwise, it will take it that you are just one of the "empty barrel" out there insulting there way into winning brownie points on behalf of a man whose fruits are long Known. undecided
Both of us know u are the empty barrel....quoting scriptures u contradict everyday.. and show to hardly believe in ..by ur lifestyle...get out
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:58pm On Jun 08
TMKsouth:


U make a fair point about the house but once it's a business or public establishment then you are held culpable as the owner, that's why they take out insurance.

TBJ tried to evade this responsibility by blaming a hovering aircraft. According to his website 3 other buildings of his had been destroyed previously. He should've taken extra caution fourth time round with the type of contractor he hired, and also taking out insurance. The guy was inviting people from all over the world to his church - please accept that he should have taken some responsibility for what happened.

You're saying all this in a country where you can't even get the services of what you actually paid tax to the government for!
Of course such can't happen in countries where there is well founded policies, what exactly do you think is done right in Nigeria?
Common electricity we are paying for and we're not getting the service. So it's buildings that's now the major issue, shey?
I would have agreed with you if not under Nigeria! undecided
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by Matheusmartin: 11:08pm On Jun 08
MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o! embarassed

So if you pay some engineers to erect a house for you and it actually collapse to kill people, you must be arrested and sent to jail for not building the house all by yourself, shey? undecided

So if TB Joshua should rot in prison for engaging incompetent building contractors, i suppose we should behead the contractors, shey!

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Oga, get out.
U hardly make sense.
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by TMKsouth: 6:15am On Jun 09
MaxInDHouse:


You're saying all this in a country where you can't even get the services of what you actually paid tax to the government for!
Of course such can't happen in countries where there is well founded policies, what exactly do you think is done right in Nigeria?
Common electricity we are paying for and we're not getting the service. So it's buildings that's now the major issue, shey?
I would have agreed with you if not under Nigeria! undecided

That's why u should look at this from the perspective of the South Africans and why they are angry.
Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by TMKsouth: 6:23am On Jun 09
Malema finds Jesus in Lagos (2013)

Malema's visit to "super-pastor" TB Joshua's Synagogue Church of All Nations in Lagos last month raised a few eyebrows. The hot-headed leader is not known for his piety.

He and the EFF spokesperson, Mbuyiseni Ndlozi, stayed for a week at the church doing "lots of reading, watching sermons and prophecies", according to Ndlozi. He also met the controversial Nigerian prophet privately. The contents of that session are, alas, confidential.

Malema is in influential company. Leaders who have flocked to see Joshua include Malema's one-time mentor, Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, Malawi's former president Bingu wa Mutharika, who later died after a prophecy by Joshua to that effect, and Zimbabwe's Morgan Tsvangirai.

South African rugby players are also regulars, though Springbok Ruben Kruger went on to die from the brain cancer he was supposedly healed of.

But it wasn't healing or prophecy that took Malema to Nigeria, his first time in the booming West African country. It was a "spiritual visit to meet and create friendship with this son of Africa and his congregation, and ask for blessings for the journey ahead", the organisation said when they left on August 9.

The pair sang the megachurch's praises on their return.

Impressive humanitarian projects

"Well, it was renewing, indeed, inspiring if anything," said Ndlozi in response to written questions from the Mail & Guardian. He listed a number of the church's impressive humanitarian projects as examples

Details of the expedition are somewhat murky: the pair from the cash-strapped EFF went at the invitation of the church, and the trip was sponsored. But it's not clear who facilitated the invitation and Ndlozi won't reveal who paid for the trip.

But sources in the ANC are convinced Malema was on a fund-raising mission.

The theory goes that Joshua, who recently prophesied that young people would start a huge and violent revolt in South Africa, took a shine to Malema and either hooked him up with a wealthy businessperson in the church or gave him money himself, from the organisation's plentiful coffers.

But the suggestion was shot down by Malema and the church did not respond to a request for comment.

The EFF needs money if it is to have a chance in next year's election, never mind win it, as they constantly boast on their Facebook page.

"It's a sign of desperation," said one source. "They won't get the massive amount of money needed to run a campaign."

Re: South Africans Bash Julius Malema For Mourning Pastor TB Joshua (PIX) by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:18am On Jun 09
This is Nigeria where you pay for quality services but gets the opposite, so nobody can sue you for been a victim of incompetent service providers, the worst is the government will come and demolish the building because we are all Nigerians and we all know how it goes.
For your information the National Assembly honoured TB Joshua so your ranting after his death is tantamount to insanity! cheesy

Matheusmartin
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Oga, get out.
U hardly make sense.

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