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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Kshe(f): 12:17am On Jul 15, 2021
Gentleman001:


Now my question is can I get a romote job as Data Analysis with excel.. as am sure of my knowledge in excel or there thing I need to learn in addition before I can think of getting job...
I study electrical engineering
Have you tried selling your service in the gig market? Its a great way to earn money all you just need to do is to learn how to get your first customer. Try places like Fiverr, Upwork.
For full-time roles it's possible but it's going to be really tough to come by for a newbie it's almost impossible. For an employer to consider taking you despite where you live you would need to have years of experience under your belt and be bringing something he/she can't find locally to the table.
Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Kshe(f): 12:39am On Jul 15, 2021
My update on Cross-over:

I did not finish the process, I encountered many technical issues and I reached out and when they eventually had it resolved I had lost my mojo. That thing is draining!! and the whole process just solidified my resolve to leave Naija. Maybe I feel this way because I see many tech people living the average Nigerian life and it's sad. Why would anyone change their career trajectory, relegate years of experience to the background and start afresh and get stuck because Nigeria isn't fair to its own?

And looking up the average earnings of a data scientist outside Nigeria and comparing it to what we earn here is just not helping and earning forex messes up your thinking or rather awakens your senses, you become very aware of how little the naira is.

Even if it's Dubai please go o, Take the job you find here in Naija use it to chart your way outta here. wink

Because For how long do you want to have 3 Jobs? we all have 24 hours something must give.
Working two different timezones is all cruise till you realize that you barely have a life.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Nobody: 4:54am On Jul 15, 2021
Kshe:
My update on Cross-over:

I did not finish the process, I encountered many technical issues and I reached out and when they eventually had it resolved I had lost my mojo. That thing is draining!! and the whole process just solidified my resolve to leave Naija. Maybe I feel this way because I see many tech people living the average Nigerian life and it's sad. Why would anyone change their career trajectory, relegate years of experience to the background and start afresh and get stuck because Nigeria isn't fair to its own?

And looking up the average earnings of a data scientist outside Nigeria and comparing it to what we earn here is just not helping and earning forex messes up your thinking or rather awakens your senses, you become very aware of how little the naira is.

Even if it's Dubai please go o, Take the job you find here in Naija use it to chart your way outta here. wink

Because For how long do you want to have 3 Jobs? we all have 24 hours something must give.
Working two different timezones is all cruise till you realize that you barely have a life.


I like you. In fact, I "love love and love" you. Why? You are just plain and 100% honest. Not those inexperienced mentors I read on nairaland who know nothing about life before entering programming, and always curse when they are corrected, but they get the shock of their lives when they meet one who can face them word for word.

I have asked myself if I can take it easy with Nigerian programmers, but I will not. Why? How can brilliant minds earn so little they are paid and be glorifying in it even after 5 years? Yeah, small beginnings are great, but why sleep in peanuts for too long? I am not sure if my thread contributed to this post of yours, but mehn....I am always angry inside when people come here to say they dont have money to buy the basis tool for all programmers - a laptop. It is very annoying what Nigeria does to brilliant minds.

Oh! My paragraph above is the truth. BUT, there is another side of it. Hmmm. My dear, money dey Naija. When I mean money, I mean Ezeogu, kudi, owo, gold. Chai! But it is for a slim market if you get it right. However, I still think in your case, I agree that moving out is the way forward. And at last something who is sincere has just mentioned the truth about these remote jobs. You even said 2 things: 1) forex kills. 2) working different time zones to earn more kills faster, one's health is gonna suffer it. I am going to add one more - 3) Inflation. The cost of food especially has gone so high that N300k ($667) is nothing. N300k used to be something, but now, it is nothing. And salary range isn't that increasing as inflation and forex are getting bad. Well, the only consolation I have is that the debts and looting they are carrying out in Abuja, at least let them just continue the infrastructure development to allow us hustle better and efficiently.

No matter how anyone sweet talks it, (even I), it is right to just move out at the initial stage and hustle outside naija. I dont hate programmers, and I want them successful. But Nogeria is not a place to hustle with programming for too long. Just check out if you want to make it and not die before your time. Kshe, if you work and start earning low salary of $7,000 per month in the US, do you know the kind of house you can buy in just a year in Nigeria while working there? However, the road to getting residency or citizenship of another nation is tough also. It may distract one if there is a mistake. Hmmmm! It is well.

I chose AI cos its applicable to virtually everything, and I can apply it to small scale businesses. What I did was to find where money is. I am not ready to work for anyone, or do any online job. Never. Or course, my own small beginning was even far more challenging than what young boys and girls face today. It is even easier now cos jobs are there online. In my days, for where? I had to knock everything out to just get out of naija. I was desperate but I knew it must be a legitimate means. And to sustain it came at a very high cost that fellow Nigerians asked me why pay so much for the legal means when I could use fake or "computer village" aka "Oluwole".

And God will reward you. Dear, you will reap the fruit of your labor. Heavens will back you. Please, get closer to God and He will navigate your way. I just hope you are not an Atheist. Lol. Trust me, things will be smooth soon.

What helped you was that you used to be a business developer and you had cut across different industries. The experience is there, and you know the future you want. However, these kids dont even know the future they want. So telling them to do projects after learning is hard for them cos they dont know what to do. They pick programming faster,but they dont know what to use it for. So, the only way out is to look for job which is the way. But Naija will drain one. Since it's their first salaries, they are just OK with it which is normal. And these white folks already know this. It is why they offer low prices too. But programmers here sleep too long on such jobs, and this prevents them from thinking and innovating to earn super high. This is why I am so angry with them. But you know what's up. It is so clear from your write up. And for you to say design is not your thing.....I just smiled. Well, there are other aspects of designs that make huge cash, but that of web development....lol. While I appreciate people do it for pocket money, they need to move up after they are financially stabilized, but they choose to sleep there.

So, I starting thinking that hmmmmm....these people are only pushed to programming cos there is no job in Nigeria. If there were peanut jobs, they wouldn't go into programming. So, I should learn to forgive them. They are actually fulfilled in their peanut rewards. So, it's ok.

Data Science is huge, and it is becoming clear it is the future just like AI. This is how I look at it: Data Science is for people who want to earn extremely high while being innovative working for top companies (most companies in need of huge data are established in my opinion), while AI can be deployed even for personal use (entrepreneurship) and also to land jobs with big companies too. I think Data Scientists job offers will be more than that of AI, but but will continue earning super high. Since you are into ML, I am sure you will implement AI in your journey too. Dear, you will then want to run back to Naija grin See eh! Move out now I support it. But I am telling you that down 5 to 10 years, you will chase yourself back to Naija.

Goodluck ma!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Mccollins042(m): 8:56am On Jul 15, 2021
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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by demanuel(m): 11:07am On Jul 15, 2021
PeaceJoyLove:

Data Science is huge, and it is becoming clear it is the future just like AI. This is how I look at it: Data Science is for people who want to earn extremely high while being innovative working for top companies (most companies in need of huge data are established in my opinion), while AI can be deployed even for personal use (entrepreneurship) and also to land jobs with big companies too. I think Data Scientists job offers will be more than that of AI, but but will continue earning super high. Since you are into ML, I am sure you will implement AI in your journey too. Dear, you will then want to run back to Naija grin See eh! Move out now I support it. But I am telling you that down 5 to 10 years, you will chase yourself back to Naija.

Goodluck ma!
Good day,
I have a background in Accounting, but want to switch to finance analyst/data analyst, with intention to get work opportunities and move out.
Please I want to know your thoughts.
Thank you.
Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Nobody: 12:55pm On Jul 15, 2021
demanuel:

Good day,
I have a background in Accounting, but want to switch to finance analyst/data analyst, with intention to get work opportunities and move out.
Please I want to know your thoughts.
Thank you.
Data analysts curate insights from data while scientists predict the future based on past pattern. Just want to clarify that, and OP is aspiring to be a scientist.

The question you start asking yourself is that how deep do you want to go into programming? I think scientists go deeper. Anyway, my "thing" is that everyone who wants to make it should have an innovative brain. Let me explain it like this: You are an accountant, and then you want to move into another career. Hmmm! But you definitely know the challenges accountants face. And if you can solve them, wow! This is what you should be thinking of. Do you get me? With this mindset, definitely no one needs to tell you that you are doing the right thing cos that is what you should be doing. Solving problems for accountants. But if you just move into a new career without any meaningful purpose, you are just like a fresh computer science undergraduate or someone who has just acquired a certificate with no direction.


A simple decision Making FlowChart for you
Now take a step back and relax.
Next, look for problems and challenges of Accountants.
Then, ask yourself: Can data analysis solve the identified challenges?
If yes, which aspects do you need to concentrate on.
If no, what can solve them? Data Science, Artificual Intelligence, Machine Learning, Start searching. As soon as you get it, ask yourself which aspects do you need to concentrate on.
What are the skills needed?
Get the road map on your table.
Then, start working towards acquiring all the skills.


Chai! A no wan hijack OP's thread ooo. A beg. Let OP advise you further. However, you can learn one or two things from my thread also:
https://www.nairaland.com/6616892/steering-wheel-tech-startups-nigeria

For example, what I solve involves more of AI at the initial stage, but definitely, Data Science is coming in also cos my plan will be to handle huge data too. This is the issue now. So, whether you want to analyze or manipulate to predict future, you need to sit down and map it out. Else, you will just study it and not be able to solve problems. When you go in with a purposeful mindset, you are challenged and motivated. This is what is helping OP if you read her very well. It is what helped me too.

Now, solving problems does not necessarily mean you start your own firm like me (you get the startup businesses idea from my thread cos I am trying to use it motivate guys to help Naija.....that is what we really need in Naija at this time), you can solve problems and at the same time work for big companies. After all, they need problems solvers too. This is what make you valuable. If you arent a problem solver, you are absolutely nothing. No matter what you learn, you will just be lagging behind.

So, start from the end. What is the problems you want to solve? You know the problems cos you are already and accountant. Hope you get me. Ok. Read my thread, and you will find a scenario in Agriculture I put there. I will update my thread more.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by morgang(m): 2:28pm On Jul 15, 2021
Kshe:
I'm making this thread to shed some light on the journey to becoming a data scientist in Nigeria.

Coming from a non-IT background, being a female, and not having IT professionals to look up to for guidance I mostly had to navigate the entire process myself. It can be tough moving into data science when you have no clue what programming is all about ( I even pronounced Object-Oriented Programming (OOP) as Zero Zero Programming- It was that bad).

I had spent 5 years in Business Development across various industries and had got to a point where I knew that to remain relevant and to get the kind of income/financial freedom I desired then a career switch was inevitable.

Switching to IT was/is the best decision I have made in my career I am elated by my journey and looking back it's hard to believe that the person who had to google pronunciation of programming terms can now write a Python program.

I'm doing this so women or anyone who finds the process intimidating will realize that it's not impossible and it's a step that is so worth it.

Hi Op, thank you for sharing this piece with us. It really came handy. I’m at the initial phase and trying to brush up on my statistics and subsequently excel, sql and the “bigger ones”. I understand that that one might not be a pro in each sub-field, but on a scale of 1-10, how well would you recommend one to master statistics, excel, sql, R/python, etc ?

If anyone has relative idea, it’ll be highly appreciated.

Once again, thank you.
Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by demanuel(m): 2:42pm On Jul 15, 2021
PeaceJoyLove:


A simple decision Making FlowChart for you
Now take a step back and relax.
Next, look for problems and challenges of Accountants.
Then, ask yourself: Can data analysis solve the identified challenges?
If yes, which aspects do you need to concentrate on.
If no, what can solve them? Data Science, Artificual Intelligence, Machine Learning, Start searching. As soon as you get it, ask yourself which aspects do you need to concentrate on.
What are the skills needed?
Get the road map on your table.
Then, start working towards acquiring all the skills.


Chai! A no wan hijack OP's thread ooo. A beg. Let OP advise you further. However, you can learn one or two things from my thread also:
https://www.nairaland.com/6616892/steering-wheel-tech-startups-nigeria

For example, what I solve involves more of AI at the initial stage, but definitely, Data Science is coming in also cos my plan will be to handle huge data too. This is the issue now. So, whether you want to analyze or manipulate to predict future, you need to sit down and map it out. Else, you will just study it and not be able to solve problems. When you go in with a purposeful mindset, you are challenged and motivated. This is what is helping OP if you read her very well. It is what helped me too.

Now, solving problems does not necessarily mean you start your own firm like me (you get the startup businesses idea from my thread cos I am trying to use it motivate guys to help Naija.....that is what we really need in Naija at this time), you can solve problems and at the same time work for big companies. After all, they need problems solvers too. This is what make you valuable. If you arent a problem solver, you are absolutely nothing. No matter what you learn, you will just be lagging behind.

So, start from the end. What is the problems you want to solve? You know the problems cos you are already and accountant. Hope you get me. Ok. Read my thread, and you will find a scenario in Agriculture I put there. I will update my thread more.
Actually I don't mean to move to another field entirely, but to add technology to accounting, especially when looking at where the world is going in terms of AI, Big Data and the likes.
Thanks for the response and insight.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Avidcolz: 9:48pm On Jul 15, 2021
PeaceJoyLove:


I like you. In fact, I "love love and love" you. Why? You are just plain and 100% honest. Not those inexperienced mentors I read on nairaland who know nothing about life before entering programming, and always curse when they are corrected, but they get the shock of their lives when they meet one who can face them word for word.

I have asked myself if I can take it easy with Nigerian programmers, but I will not. Why? How can brilliant minds earn so little they are paid and be glorifying in it even after 5 years? Yeah, small beginnings are great, but why sleep in peanuts for too long? I am not sure if my thread contributed to this post of yours, but mehn....I am always angry inside when people come here to say they dont have money to buy the basis tool for all programmers - a laptop. It is very annoying what Nigeria does to brilliant minds.

Oh! My paragraph above is the truth. BUT, there is another side of it. Hmmm. My dear, money dey Naija. When I mean money, I mean Ezeogu, kudi, owo, gold. Chai! But it is for a slim market if you get it right. However, I still think in your case, I agree that moving out is the way forward. And at last something who is sincere has just mentioned the truth about these remote jobs. You even said 2 things: 1) forex kills. 2) working different time zones to earn more kills faster, one's health is gonna suffer it. I am going to add one more - 3) Inflation. The cost of food especially has gone so high that N300k ($667) is nothing. N300k used to be something, but now, it is nothing. And salary range isn't that increasing as inflation and forex are getting bad. Well, the only consolation I have is that the debts and looting they are carrying out in Abuja, at least let them just continue the infrastructure development to allow us hustle better and efficiently.

No matter how anyone sweet talks it, (even I), it is right to just move out at the initial stage and hustle outside naija. I dont hate programmers, and I want them successful. But Nogeria is not a place to hustle with programming for too long. Just check out if you want to make it and not die before your time. Kshe, if you work and start earning low salary of $7,000 per month in the US, do you know the kind of house you can buy in just a year in Nigeria while working there? However, the road to getting residency or citizenship of another nation is tough also. It may distract one if there is a mistake. Hmmmm! It is well.

I chose AI cos its applicable to virtually everything, and I can apply it to small scale businesses. What I did was to find where money is. I am not ready to work for anyone, or do any online job. Never. Or course, my own small beginning was even far more challenging than what young boys and girls face today. It is even easier now cos jobs are there online. In my days, for where? I had to knock everything out to just get out of naija. I was desperate but I knew it must be a legitimate means. And to sustain it came at a very high cost that fellow Nigerians asked me why pay so much for the legal means when I could use fake or "computer village" aka "Oluwole".

And God will reward you. Dear, you will reap the fruit of your labor. Heavens will back you. Please, get closer to God and He will navigate your way. I just hope you are not an Atheist. Lol. Trust me, things will be smooth soon.

What helped you was that you used to be a business developer and you had cut across different industries. The experience is there, and you know the future you want. However, these kids dont even know the future they want. So telling them to do projects after learning is hard for them cos they dont know what to do. They pick programming faster,but they dont know what to use it for. So, the only way out is to look for job which is the way. But Naija will drain one. Since it's their first salaries, they are just OK with it which is normal. And these white folks already know this. It is why they offer low prices too. But programmers here sleep too long on such jobs, and this prevents them from thinking and innovating to earn super high. This is why I am so angry with them. But you know what's up. It is so clear from your write up. And for you to say design is not your thing.....I just smiled. Well, there are other aspects of designs that make huge cash, but that of web development....lol. While I appreciate people do it for pocket money, they need to move up after they are financially stabilized, but they choose to sleep there.

So, I starting thinking that hmmmmm....these people are only pushed to programming cos there is no job in Nigeria. If there were peanut jobs, they wouldn't go into programming. So, I should learn to forgive them. They are actually fulfilled in their peanut rewards. So, it's ok.

Data Science is huge, and it is becoming clear it is the future just like AI. This is how I look at it: Data Science is for people who want to earn extremely high while being innovative working for top companies (most companies in need of huge data are established in my opinion), while AI can be deployed even for personal use (entrepreneurship) and also to land jobs with big companies too. I think Data Scientists job offers will be more than that of AI, but but will continue earning super high. Since you are into ML, I am sure you will implement AI in your journey too. Dear, you will then want to run back to Naija grin See eh! Move out now I support it. But I am telling you that down 5 to 10 years, you will chase yourself back to Naija.

Goodluck ma!

Nice write up pal. Especially in your advise to the accountant who want to navigate to tech.
I am actually leaning DS to get out of this country. Almost ready to start networking my way to US but no visa appointment till 2024! Maybe I will looking at other countries as this country can't reward one for his/her efforts.
Yes, I have being an entrepreneur since I left university but the country is not just allowing things to add up, hence my need to learn new skill set that will allow me create something Of value to my world.
Want to work as DS/ML first then do something on my own ( a unicorn) in DS or ML up to IA, still think if the idea, or maybe an innovation.
Wish to relate with you the more like your vibs

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Mccollins042(m): 12:30pm On Jul 17, 2021
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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 3:05pm On Jul 17, 2021
demanuel:

Actually I don't mean to move to another field entirely, but to add technology to accounting, especially when looking at where the world is going in terms of AI, Big Data and the likes.
Thanks for the response and insight.
Same here ... I have invested too much money, time (age) into Accounting(B.sc, M.sc, ICAN-ACA) than Quitting now ... I just want to distinguished myself by going into Tech .. since we have numerical background... Data Analytics/Business Analytics/Data Science will be a good base to validate our accounting data ...

To have good grasped of Data Science: You have to be well versed in Math and Stat if not ..

Ma lo Ya weyrey oo ( You go go mad) grin .... and crashed out ... That's why Core STEM background have it easier with Data Science ..

If I can't ultimately handled Data Science, I would just stop at Data/Business analytics but I would have been more better than average analyst as far as Financial/Accounting Data, Modeling and Decision making is concerned!!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by CodeTemplar: 4:28pm On Jul 17, 2021
What you can so for people that will guide them here is to tell them what data analysis entails. The various stages it can be broken down into, the materials for these stages, some typical data analysis tasks and their brief breakdown.

There are so many threads like these on Nairaland. Half information can be more dangerous than no information.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Nobody: 7:43pm On Jul 17, 2021
CodeTemplar:
What you can so for people that will guide them here is to tell them what data analysis entails. The various stages it can be broken down into, the materials for these stages, some typical data analysis tasks and their brief breakdown.

There are so many threads like these on Nairaland. Half information can be more dangerous than no information.

Na wa ooo. Why are you attacking this lady who wants to encourage others (esp ladies)?

Is this the way to receive something in your own culture? To bully and receive? After she has summarized the steps anyone who wants to do it should take.

Is it a crime to take narrative style? Why is your brain programmed in one direction? If I say programmers are one way traffic, your mates will rush to attack me. Ha ba! So, from the little she wrote, you cannot make research further yourself? Must she write everything word for word? Oga, if you know what you are doing, she has given summary of everything needed. It's you who the joke is on that cannot decode easily. And for your info, someone still asked me politely, and I downloaded so much. In this same NL.

If you are into DS, you know you dont need to talk too much. How many people can do it? 99.99% of the so called Nairaland mentors cannot do it. I know cos if they can, I will know. But this lady is going in the right direction. When I see one, I know. You dont know cos you dont know the stuff yourself. Relax sir. If you have info, drop it.. it's an open platform for sharing knowledge.

It is good to be humble. So, it's your bullying that will make her to start telling you to read this, that, and that's like she is raising a toddler?

Alright...oga, I will tell you the initial steps again....and see if it will not intimidate you.... to really be good in AI , learn python. Or should I start giving you materials to read again? Ok, after you are good, the next step is you pick real engineering maths: linear algebra, calculus, and Basic/Advance statistics. If you cannot do these, forget, you cannot be AI specialist. Maybe you look into deep statistics and go for Data Science. Is this what you want? Should I start telling you what to read for Calculus? Ok, I should jump into DL and ML? People that are struggling to still cope with coding.

Oga, she is using narrative style to present her case. Let her be. If it's not good for you, dont return.

Learn how to ask questions politely and stop being a bully.

Lastly, go through her thread, she has given the distinct difference btw data analysis and data science. Did she tell you she is writing about analysis here? Did you not read the topic? Return to the thread and find it. Be attentive. Read to understand and not to bully.

Goodluck!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 8:13pm On Jul 17, 2021
Kshe:
The first thing that crosses your mind when you have made the decision to change careers is

HOW DO I START
First I would recommend that you start with taking an online FREE course. You're new and just testing the waters, You're most probably still pumped from all the motivational talk and from seeing how much Data scientists earn. This way you get to be sure that you want to go all the way before putting time and resources into it.
Please, what was your initial discipline/profession/degree before transition into Data Science ?....

How easier or difficult were you able to handle the Mathematics, Statistics and underlying Technologies/Programming underpinning data Science ?
Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 9:02pm On Jul 17, 2021
Kshe:
So I'm getting connection request mails and people trying to reach me for mentoring and networking.

Well, I would like to say that I'm not in a position to mentor anyone, I actually feel awkward about it because I honestly don't know how that is done and if I am in a position to do so, however, I understand the importance of having a community of like minds with people working together to make themselves and the next person better, So I am considering a Facebook or Telegram group (Not yet decided - Still thinking of the best medium)

And maybe some conditions/rules etc. to give the group some purpose

1. It would most likely be a female thing only (No offense to the men in this thread but I think it's much easier for men to navigate the Tech world than women)
2. It would be for Data Analysts/ Scientists who have actually started their journey or currently in the industry. (There's no point having people with just intentions).
3. There would be active participation and contribution from everyone (Look at it like you are coming to build the community not just take from it- It would be a joint effort.)
4. The group would be about starting a career in Data Science, Finding Project partners, Finding career opportunities for Data Scientists Inside and Outside Nigeria.

Let me know if this is something you want, I'm open to your opinions.
This is so great and wrong at the same time .... Create a telegram group as that's easier than Facebook .......

But why create something good, something great, something Intellectual but with ember of discrimination to the male gender ....

Are you telling me if you have male children you won't take care of them ? .... You will focus on your female children alone ?;

If you have a company, will you employ just only girls ? Or abandoned your male employees ? ....

All these gender discrimination is not necessary and if you check the thread and the interest shown, How many ladies do you see here compare to male folks ? .... How many ladies did you encounter on your DS journey ? and how many materials did you read offline or online written/produced by ladies ?

Take care of all of us as a Mama ... Leave no one Behind as a Captain !!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by CodeTemplar: 10:09pm On Jul 17, 2021
PeaceJoyLove:


Na wa ooo. Why are you attacking this lady who wants to encourage others (esp ladies)?

Is this the way to receive something in your own culture? To bully and receive? After she has summarized the steps anyone who wants to do it should take.

Is it a crime to take narrative style? Why is your brain programmed in one direction? If I say programmers are one way traffic, your mates will rush to attack me. Ha ba! So, from the little she wrote, you cannot make research further yourself? Must she write everything word for word? Oga, if you know what you are doing, she has given summary of everything needed. It's you who the joke is on that cannot decode easily. And for your info, someone still asked me politely, and I downloaded so much. In this same NL.

If you are into DS, you know you dont need to talk too much. How many people can do it? 99.99% of the so called Nairaland mentors cannot do it. I know cos if they can, I will know. But this lady is going in the right direction. When I see one, I know. You dont know cos you dont know the stuff yourself. Relax sir. If you have info, drop it.. it's an open platform for sharing knowledge.

It is good to be humble. So, it's your bullying that will make her to start telling you to read this, that, and that's like she is raising a toddler?

Alright...oga, I will tell you the initial steps again....and see if it will not intimidate you.... to really be good in AI , learn python. Or should I start giving you materials to read again? Ok, after you are good, the next step is you pick real engineering maths: linear algebra, calculus, and Basic/Advance statistics. If you cannot do these, forget, you cannot be AI specialist. Maybe you look into deep statistics and go for Data Science. Is this what you want? Should I start telling you what to read for Calculus? Ok, I should jump into DL and ML? People that are struggling to still cope with coding.

Oga, she is using narrative style to present her case. Let her be. If it's not good for you, dont return.

Learn how to ask questions politely and stop being a bully.

Lastly, go through her thread, she has given the distinct difference btw data analysis and data science. Did she tell you she is writing about analysis here? Did you not read the topic? Return to the thread and find it. Be attentive. Read to understand and not to bully.

Goodluck!
You sound like the alternate moniker of someone looking to make money off people. Nairaland is the best place to post any truly free information that's of value for this kind of 'mentorship'. I see no reason for a long epistle that could have offset 30% of the information I talked about. There is a good chance your next reply will cover another 30% of the actual answer I expect.
Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by demanuel(m): 11:50pm On Jul 17, 2021
DonroxyII:
Same here ... I have invested too much money, time (age) into Accounting(B.sc, M.sc, ICAN-ACA) than Quitting now ... I just want to distinguished myself by going into Tech .. since we have numerical background... Data Analytics/Business Analytics/Data Science will be a good base to validate our accounting data ...

To have good grasped of Data Science: You have to be well versed in Math and Stat if not ..

Ma lo Ya weyrey oo ( You go go mad) grin .... and crashed out ... That's why Core STEM background have it easier with Data Science ..

If I can't ultimately handled Data Science, I would just stop at Data/Business analytics but I would have been more better than average analyst as far as Financial/Accounting Data, Modeling and Decision making is concerned!!
Yes bro.
But even at that data analyst, business analyst or financial analyst role, the main objective is master all the skills in that niche (sql, tableau, advance excel, power bi, python etc) and be at the top of the food chain.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 3:35am On Jul 18, 2021
demanuel:

Yes bro.
But even at that data analyst, business analyst or financial analyst role, the main objective is master all the skills in that niche (sql, tableau, advance excel, power bi, python etc) and be at the top of the food chain.
Exactly as far as Accounting is concerned !!
Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Nobody: 4:04am On Jul 18, 2021
DonroxyII:
This is so great and wrong at the same time .... Create a telegram group as that's easier than Facebook .......

But why create something good, something great, something Intellectual but with ember of discrimination to the male gender ....

Are you telling me if you have male children you won't take care of them ? .... You will focus on your female children alone ?;

If you have a company, will you employ just only girls ? Or abandoned your male employees ? ....

All these gender discrimination is not necessary and if you check the thread and the interest shown, How many ladies do you see here compare to male folks ? .... How many ladies did you encounter on your DS journey ? and how many materials did you read offline or online written/produced by ladies ?

Take care of all of us as a Mama ... Leave no one Behind as a Captain !!
There is nothing like discrimination of gender. She knows how her gender finds it intimidating going into this area. So, she wants to concentrate on them. She knows what she endured with males to get help. I keep saying it that these kids are nasty. Most are. I know the attitudes she would have gotten to discourage her from those nasty boys during the time she needed help. Now that she is talking sense, the same nasty gender is attacking and bullying her to force download what she has learned in their own format. Leave her alone, let her speak to her gender the way to attract them. Must it be your ways? She is narrating her story in a simple but detailed way. It must not be the way you boys always do it. Must it be? The approach she is using actually appeals to women. If she goes by with the way that idiotaa up there wants, she will not get the attention of her gender, all nasty empty idiotaaa brains will come just like how you sre trying to bully her to accept you. Learn to have a good way to talk. Be humble. You cannot bully her to accept your gender too. Ask politely.

Let me tell you one thing, you are as exactly as the other idiooota up. If you are humble and you ask her questions, with the way she has been responding, she will answer you. I see her style wanting mainly women as a way to get only cool headed and avoid nasty people (you better be polite). Na you go teach her who to accept and who not to? Nothing is wrong there. So, do not bring your bullying attitude to frustrate the lady. What you all cannot do, she took the boldness to. Read her sacrifices.

And them, one useless idiotaaa up there said she gave half info which is the dangerous. M.umu somebody. As soon as I read that, I know the guy is empty. How can one read the things this lady put down and not add one plus one to get something, and come up with a decent question for her to give more I sights here? Na that person wan solve problems? No innovative brain. This is why I keep saying it, the attitude of these trashy programmers is something serious.

Leave her alone. She wants to gather female alone. If you dont like it, go and hug the transformer. Period!!!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Nobody: 4:38am On Jul 18, 2021
@Kshe,

Follow your heart and do it the way you want. There is nothing like discrimination in wanting to focus on your gender. It is true your gender is intimidated by men. So, do not let them bully you. Thank God it is happening now. Lol. Imagine you have these ones in your group, imagine how they will be talking to you or addressing you. They will even want to make your audience start having doubt in you. Na so dem dey do. Very nasty set of people. I know them well. And I always say it to their faces. However, there are still some cool guys. They will even help your feminine team. They will even come to your meetings to teach you and assist all gals. And they will be the ones who will even start introducing your girls to other cool headed boys. So, I know it's not about discrimination.

God will assist you and push you forward to achieve your heart desire in Jesus' name.

Girl, some of us are really proud of you.....keep it up. Keep learning...so much to know. I mean too wide. Bless you.
Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 6:46am On Jul 18, 2021
PeaceJoyLove:

There is nothing like discrimination of gender. She knows how her gender finds it intimidating going into this area. So, she wants to concentrate on them. She knows what she endured with males to get help. I keep saying it that these kids are nasty. Most are. I know the attitudes she would have gotten to discourage her from those nasty boys during the time she needed help. Now that she is talking sense, the same nasty gender is attacking and bullying her to force download what she has learned in their own format. Leave her alone, let her speak to her gender the way to attract them. Must it be your ways? She is narrating her story in a simple but detailed way. It must not be the way you boys always do it. Must it be? The approach she is using actually appeals to women. If she goes by with the way that idiotaa up there wants, she will not get the attention of her gender, all nasty empty idiotaaa brains will come just like how you sre trying to bully her to accept you. Learn to have a good way to talk. Be humble. You cannot bully her to accept your gender too. Ask politely.

Let me tell you one thing, you are as exactly as the other idiooota up. If you are humble and you ask her questions, with the way she has been responding, she will answer you. I see her style wanting mainly women as a way to get only cool headed and avoid nasty people (you better be polite). Na you go teach her who to accept and who not to? Nothing is wrong there. So, do not bring your bullying attitude to frustrate the lady. What you all cannot do, she took the boldness to. Read her sacrifices.

And them, one useless idiotaaa up there said she gave half info which is the dangerous. M.umu somebody. As soon as I read that, I know the guy is empty. How can one read the things this lady put down and not add one plus one to get something, and come up with a decent question for her to give more I sights here? Na that person wan solve problems? No innovative brain. This is why I keep saying it, the attitude of these trashy programmers is something serious.

Leave her alone. She wants to gather female alone. If you dont like it, go and hug the transformer. Period!!!
Why all these nonsense ranting on my mention simply because I asked the OP to include all not just women on Data Science....

I have learnt alot from her posts, I have bookmarked some and even saved some of her write-up on my Telegram Saved Message ...

I'm a Data Science enthusiast because I intend to use the discipline to complement my Accountancy Profession ....

You can't be a technocrat with all these unprofessional verbose from you ... and you yourself are not different from the idio.ts you keep mentioning because this is a forum ... Idi.ots should be expected and you are surely one of them by attacking me and calling me an idi.ot simply because I appealed to Op .... and if you check my quote, Op prolly asked for our contribution on her objectives which I diligently did .... she asked for our contribution you this raz!

You can't market a book at a Market place and expect Decorum..... I only appeal to her to carry along Male fans and if she rejects my appeal then there is no problem .... She is not the creator of Data Science nor her experience being the most valuable.... but I love her spirit coming from non stem background .... I also wanna tap from that energy.... that's all !!

I have more than enough YouTube resources and Nairaland resources on data Science including telegram groups so being with her or not being with her doesn't stop me ..... I'm a master degree holder and I can search anything I deemfit on any Media on my own as a Research Analyst!!

So please use your sense when ranting and calling people idi.ot because a sensible human being would have ignored and face real people... When you post on Nairaland, expect derailment.... It's a Forum not Goup !!

Whatever she do is Ok by me ....
I only appealed to her womanhood and here you are ranting like an infected piece of whatever you are simply because I appeal that male gender should be conveyed along the Journey ....

If a dude offended you in this life please dont take the toll on me .... Op may wants to promote and stir interest of women in Data Science which is a good development but I only requested she should also conveyed the male folks along which is is tandem with her request for "our contribution" .....

I only responded based on this
Kshe:
.
Let me know if this is something you want, I'm open to your opinions.
She solicited for response which I provided !! ... why calling me an Idi.ot, Ratchet!

Which kinda hole you come from, Damn ... You may want to tag along great women but you really need work to do on yourself ... !!

I was even the second person yesterday to like the post you crucified a dude for challenging the OP only to be called an idi.ot because I provided an Opinion solicited for by the OP herself !! ... Which kinda woman art thou!!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 6:59am On Jul 18, 2021
PeaceJoyLove:
@Kshe,

Follow your heart and do it the way you want. There is nothing like discrimination in wanting to focus on your gender. It is true your gender is intimidated by men. So, do not let them bully you. Thank God it is happening now. Lol. Imagine you have these ones in your group, imagine how they will be talking to you or addressing you. They will even want to make your audience start having doubt in you. Na so dem dey do. Very nasty set of people. I know them well. And I always say it to their faces. However, there are still some cool guys. They will even help your feminine team. They will even come to your meetings to teach you and assist all gals. And they will be the ones who will even start introducing your girls to other cool headed boys. So, I know it's not about discrimination.

God will assist you and push you forward to achieve your heart desire in Jesus' name.

Girl, some of us are really proud of you.....keep it up. Keep learning...so much to know. I mean too wide. Bless you.
There is no single sense in this not even the mention of Data Science, Data analytics, Programming or any underlying Technologies...... I never pray she mentor someone like you because you will prolly waste all her efforts ..... Your mission is never Technologies but gender Hish!!

No man can intimidate an astute woman because astute women breaks barriers that even men can't brake ......

you see Op, she aced Data Science even coming from non IT background ... She navigated the terrain herself with determination not Ratchet ... she aced ....

Training ladies is to bring women enthusiasm in Data Science not based on your mindset ... She wants to use her strength to stimulate their interest and I prolly think she is trying to avoid men distractions which I appealed against !!

The only woman that gets intimidated is the one that put her soul on a man and get disappointed then she goes mad ranting up and down ....

I have met astute women ... when I graduated in 2010 , a woman led my class with First Class and the only first class and till tomorrow we all respected her ...

Everybody will respect Okonjo Iweala and Amina Mohammed(Deputy UNSG) .. I was opportune once by her leadership ...

They are all astute and standard professionals! They won't go ratchet on male folks because when they talk even male will stand in applause.... They have good grasped and adequate command of their field that even great men measure their statements before them !!


Be like Op, Brake Barriers and stop ranting ...

Stop being a Ratchet lady because you feel intimidated by men , stop spilling poisons... Great women don't spill poisons ... They do what Great men do and what average men won't do ....

Even when men disappointed great women, they pick a piece of themselves and swagger off to brake barriers .... There is no time to cry they have work to do beyond "Men"... The man will come begging .....

They won't crucify men because of a disappointment and they prolly choose their men .... if they can't find a worthy man, they recoil to themselves and their Hustles and come out victorious !!

A very good example is my maternal grandma .. my Champion, My heroine, My everything... she taught me everything..... women are my backbone not ratchets like you!

Check my Username: I follow great women of Nairaland ..... and also great men alike ....
When Ishi, Poco or Folake are boiling know that a guy need to be crazed !! ... Yeah !.. I love them !!

The essence of life is knowledge then impact on others ....

If you quote me again and without Professionalism(Data Science), I won't grant you a response !! I can never be seen around a lady like you !!


I'm sorry for the Derailment OP..... I need to straighten her for hitting my nerves by calling me "idi.ota" !! ... How could she be that wicked!

There is nothing more beautiful in my life than for a woman to speak and every aspect of my nerves applauds her Intelligentsia and Sagacity not Ratchedness !!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Kshe(f): 9:09am On Jul 18, 2021
DonroxyII:
Please, what was your initial discipline/profession/degree before transition into Data Science ?....

How easier or difficult were you able to handle the Mathematics, Statistics and underlying Technologies/Programming underpinning data Science ?

for Background, I studied Business Administration. I have worked in the Real Estate, media and Manufacturing industry. I worked in sales.
While in the University i loved statistics i always enjoyed the classes and did very well at it and i did wonder if i was in the wrong department and I think it's beginning to add up. Either way I see my sales background as a big plus it's brought me to this very point and given me life skills I would not trade.

Data science is multi-disciplinary your background whatever it is will always be an advantage and can be the thing that sets you apart.
Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 9:15am On Jul 18, 2021
Kshe:


for Background, I studied Business Administration. I have worked in the Real Estate, media and Manufacturing industry. I worked in sales.
While in the University i loved statistics i always enjoyed the classes and did very well at it and i did wonder if i was in the wrong department and I think it's beginning to add up. Either way I see my sales background as a big plus it's brought me to this very point and given me life skills I would not trade.

Data science is multi-disciplinary your background whatever it is will always be an advantage and can be the thing that sets you apart.
Thank you very much and God bless ... I studied Accounting and I hope my numerical background can be of little help when I tapped your energy join cheesy ... What I usually hear is Data Science is a dreaded area as it consumes more brain energy !
By January I'm starting my Mathematics and Statistics practicing .....

My next Question is : Does Data Science relies more on Mathematics or Statistics or Both...

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Kshe(f): 9:28am On Jul 18, 2021
DonroxyII:
This is so great and wrong at the same time .... Create a telegram group as that's easier than Facebook .......

But why create something good, something great, something Intellectual but with ember of discrimination to the male gender ....

Are you telling me if you have male children you won't take care of them ? .... You will focus on your female children alone ?;

If you have a company, will you employ just only girls ? Or abandoned your male employees ? ....

All these gender discrimination is not necessary and if you check the thread and the interest shown, How many ladies do you see here compare to male folks ? .... How many ladies did you encounter on your DS journey ? and how many materials did you read offline or online written/produced by ladies ?

Take care of all of us as a Mama ... Leave no one Behind as a Captain !!

My brother I myself need to relass and be taken kairuff grin

I'll let you in on why I did what i did. I'll use a business as an analogy
Imagine I wanted to start a business and had limited resources, to make the most of my resources and be profitable it would require me to pick a niche and operate in that niche (It could be selling my products/services to a certain group of people or making products/services for only a certain group of people). It would be easier and cost-effective to just take a small cluster of people and serve them, that way I can grow in paces I can handle (not too fast not too slow).

For me to serve everyone I would need to have products for everyone or offer my products to everyone which in turn would mean I would need lots of operating costs, and possibly more hands.

In this case, resources here refer to my time.
As you dey find way my brother I still dey find way cheesy
I've not blow to the point that I'll start to help the whole world
Notwithstanding if you have questions you can always put them up, If I don't have answers someone else might.

I learnt that in this life Don't do pass yourself Jesus has already died for all I don't need to die again.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 9:37am On Jul 18, 2021
Kshe:


My brother I myself need to relass and be taken kairuff grin

I'll let you in on why I did what i did. I'll use a business as an analogy
Imagine I wanted to start a business and had limited resources, to make the most of my resources and be profitable it would require me to pick a niche and operate in that niche (It could be selling my products/services to a certain group of people or making products/services for only a certain group of people). It would be easier and cost-effective to just take a small cluster of people and serve them, that way I can grow in paces I can handle (not too fast not too slow).

For me to serve everyone I would need to have products for everyone or offer my products to everyone which in turn would mean I would need lots of operating costs, and possibly more hands.

In this case, resources here refer to my time.
As you dey find way my brother I still dey find way cheesy
I've not blow to the point that I'll start to help the whole world
Notwithstanding if you have questions you can always put them up, If I don't have answers someone else might.

I learnt that in this life Don't do pass yourself Jesus has already died for all I don't need to die again.
I understand ... The Business analogy though cheesy ... Thanks ... Ejiod is another good samaritan ... Thanks to you all for demystifying the dreaded Data Science!!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Kshe(f): 9:39am On Jul 18, 2021
DonroxyII:
Thank you very much and God bless ... I studied Accounting and I hope my numerical background can be of little help when I tapped your energy join cheesy ... What I usually hear is Data Science is a dreaded area as it consumes more brain energy !
By January I'm starting my Mathematics and Statistics practicing .....

My next Question is : Does Data Science relies more on Mathematics or Statistics or Both...
There's a babe on youtube (whizQueen) she's from an accounting background and switched to financial analysis maybe you should look her up and reach out to her.

Statistics is a part of Mathematics but Mathematics is much broader. You will need Statistics and in needing statistics you will encounter Mathematics.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by DonroxyII: 9:45am On Jul 18, 2021
Kshe:

There's a babe on youtube (whizQueen) she's from an accounting background and switched to financial analysis maybe you should look her up and reach out to her.

Statistics is a part of Mathematics but Mathematics is much broader. You will need Statistics and in needing statistics you will encounter Mathematics.
I know Whiz very well ... She is a Nairalander and very active on ICAN thread then ......

Thanks for the clarification on Math/Stat !!

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Kshe(f): 10:00am On Jul 18, 2021
morgang:


how well would you recommend one to master statistics, excel, sql, R/python, etc ?


First things first, Perfection is an Illusion
Know the basics and keep moving. What you need is a dedication to keep learning on your journey which is always going to be a continuum.
Mastery is gained with years of application, you can never gain mastery reading.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Kshe(f): 4:25pm On Jul 18, 2021
alextywo:
Please highlight the list of apps I needed to install so as to run python programming successfully on my Android phone. Thanks

even though I know you need a Laptop I also know that where there's a will there's always a way.
Download Linkedin learning on your phone sign up for free data science courses. install youtube on your phone go to MITCOURSEWARE, Programming with moss/ Amigos code/ Geekslesson / Bro Code and learn even if you are not practicing keep absorbing what you see, train your mind to recognize code. Start with excel, Install excel on your phone, and start practicing.

Begin to save up for a Laptop something decent.
If you have an expensive phone, Sell your phone if you must that's if it's not earning you money (what you need is a phone that can serve as a modem for your laptop nothing fancy)

Give it one year to invest in yourself you'll be fine after one year.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by Kshe(f): 4:38pm On Jul 18, 2021
I know I mentioned earlier that I wasn't ready to mentor people...
If you did reach out via mail i do not have any reservations regarding being of any help that i can to my capacity I honestly do not mind.
But Unfortunately what I will not do is be Used like some people have tried to do.

The moment I sense that you are trying to use me I will send you a bill and my response afterwards would be dependent on how much of my bill you are willing to pay.

You will know that if cunny man die na cunny man go bury am.

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Re: How I Switched To Data Science From A Non IT Background - My Learning Experience by morgang(m): 5:18am On Jul 21, 2021
Kshe:


First things first, Perfection is an Illusion
Know the basics and keep moving. What you need is a dedication to keep learning on your journey which is always going to be a continuum.
Mastery is gained with years of application, you can never gain mastery reading.

This is apt. Thank you!

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