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Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Yusufisraelj(m): 8:59pm On Jun 15, 2021
Igboid:


So how did he make Awo and Balewa to accept "No seccession clause" ?
He used gun?

Did you read the link I sent you? While he didn't coerce any of them, the Igbos were the most progressive then, a threat just as he issued then was very potent, hence Balewa treaded carefully.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Igboid: 9:02pm On Jun 15, 2021
Yusufisraelj:


Did you read the link I sent you? While he didn't coerce any of them, the Igbos were the most progressive then, a threat just as he issued then was very potent, hence Balewa treaded carefully.

Post the part where he threatened them with guns and destruction.

I'm waiting!
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Gambit23: 9:04pm On Jun 15, 2021
johntolu:


Says a LamidiCownu brainwashed Ipig;

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41584864

Mufu, Goan read about Sudans Referendum
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Malawian(m): 9:50pm On Jun 15, 2021
360degreess:
.. grin grin While I was growing up I used to think that those people are among the smartest tribe we have in this country, but they have disproved me beyond reasonable doubt.
Who you epp? Can you imagine this sombori thinking his opinion means anything to anyone?
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by gidgiddy: 9:55pm On Jun 15, 2021
Igboid:


So how did he make Awo and Balewa to accept "No seccession clause" ?
He used gun?

Zik accosted Awo, Balewa and Sarduana with an AK47 and at gunpoint, extracted a promise not to have secession clause put in the constitution

grin grin grin grin
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Igboid: 9:56pm On Jun 15, 2021
gidgiddy:


Zik accosted Awo, Balewa and Sarduana with an AK47 and at gunpoint, extracted a promise not to have secession clause put in the constitution

grin grin grin grin

grin
I'm waiting for the clowns.

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Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Omodua(m): 10:02pm On Jun 15, 2021
gentiles:

What's more parasitic than Oyo, Osun and Ekiti state?
How
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Priwillo: 10:11pm On Jun 15, 2021
360degreess:
Everyone is tired of the inyamris.. They are everywhere in this country but yet they are the ones calling for the division of this country.. They forgot that their entire region is less than half of Borno State. grin grin grin grin
success isn't all about size. There are other smaller countries in the world
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Priwillo: 10:12pm On Jun 15, 2021
iKingsley:
Dot in a circlegrin
They fear the dot in a circle
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by johntolu: 10:12pm On Jun 15, 2021
Yusufisraelj:



Equally I added this.

https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/1953-nnamdi-azikiwe-speech-secession/

Dr. Azikwe should not be blamed for the positions he took Pre-Nigerian independence.
All the positions he took were in the best interest of his Igbo people. He has a better understanding of the Country more than most of his contemporaries; born in Northern Nigeria to a senior civil servant father, schooled in the East, also schooled and worked in Western Nigeria. He had a better understanding of the potentials of all the regions in Nigeria and realized that his Igbo people will benefit immensely in a United Nigeria with all it's attendant benefits.
What I found hypocritical is attempts by Igbos, at rewriting history that it was the British that foisted Nigeria on them when in actual fact, it was their fathers that started the 'One Nigeria' mantra, for purely selfish reasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_odAy4rVz8

Sardauna's remarks about the parasitic nature of the Igbos before they killed him in annoyance for speaking the honest truth is in the clip, above.

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Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Priwillo: 10:13pm On Jun 15, 2021
IgweOfNnewi:
Very true, so we can have minimal crime and criminality

Yimu, everybody na criminal
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Priwillo: 10:14pm On Jun 15, 2021
[quote author=limeta post=102726800][/quote] better and point of correction other indigenous igbos should also participate in the referendum.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Igboid: 10:38pm On Jun 15, 2021
johntolu:


Dr. Azikwe should not be blamed for the positions he took Pre-Nigerian independence.
All the positions he took were in the best interest of his Igbo people. He has a better understanding of the Country more than most of his contemporaries; born in Northern Nigeria to a senior civil servant father, schooled in the East, also schooled and worked in Western Nigeria. He had a better understanding of the potentials of all the regions in Nigeria and realized that his Igbo people will benefit immensely in a United Nigeria with all it's attendant benefits.
What I found hypocritical is attempts by Igbos, at rewriting history that it was the British that foisted Nigeria on them when in actual fact, it was their fathers that started the 'One Nigeria' mantra, for purely selfish reasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_odAy4rVz8

Sardauna's remarks about the parasitic nature of the Igbos before they killed him in annoyance for speaking the honest truth is in the clip, above.

Stop taking nonsense.

Zik position on the "Secession clause" was not in capacity of Igbo leader but as NCNC leader.
NCNC was a true national party then.
Had members in North , East and West.

Zik clearly noted he was projecting NCNC position as regards to the Secession clause.

And it has to be noted that Zik never pointed guns at Awo or Balewa to accept his proposal.
They were in the end still responsible for whatever decision they took, which ended up being acceptance of Zik proposal.

So it's stupid for Unity beggars to wake up decades later and start spinning tales of how Zik and Ndiigbo foisted NO SECESSION clause on them, when Awo and Balewa could have said No to Zik but silently accepted his proposal because he made them to see reasons to do so through force of Superior argument and persuasion.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by LordPsalm(m): 10:41pm On Jun 15, 2021
360degreess:
Everyone is tired of the inyamris.. They are everywhere in this country but yet they are the ones calling for the division of this country.. They forgot that their entire region is less than half of Borno State. grin grin grin grin
And u forgot that singapore is as small as imo state but is still a soveriegn nation.
Buy some sense
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Iceman2017(m): 10:49pm On Jun 15, 2021
Paretomaster1:

Why will I want to visit the crime headquarters of the World?

I bet your likes after one year of Biafra will change your name to MUSA or Ajayi just to gain access to Nigeria..

Ever heard of "NORTHERN IGBO" before? Ask OHANEZE.. film never even start o, una Don dey claim Northerner..
there are there to dominate you.
That's your greatest fear
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by donnie(m): 10:52pm On Jun 15, 2021
chinedumoooo:

You made my day as an Igbo man.

Fulani Jan.ja.weed

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Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Jonathan39: 12:01am On Jun 16, 2021
People from other region don't have the money to do it. Simple, is it an Almajiri or a shoe shiner that will be able to afford a property anywhere? grin grin
luvsalamat1991:
i will be very happy if the people in authority agree to caved out igbo out of nigeria.but go and know all what they have invested in other region cannot be taken away to their region.you can never see people from western/northern region having a huge investing in other part of the country,because they use to envisaged things like this may hapen
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Jonathan39: 12:09am On Jun 16, 2021
Talk is cheap, why not tell your reps to propose a constitution that will educate Almajiris and make your poor masses rich? grin
san316:
This morning, I randomly asked my wife, "Do you want Igbos to remain in Nigeria or they should leave?" Without hesitation, she said "let them leave jor". That is the mindset of most Nigerians. Ask anybody that is not Igbo randomly if they want Igbos to stay, they will give you thesame response. The igbos beating their chests upandan saying we don't want you guys to leave, that is a lie. We want you guys to go and leave us alone. Just don't plunge the country into a devastating war which you are trying to do. If you have intelligent people as you claimed, they would have come up with a perfect proposal for constitutional amendment which will allow for referendum. Your elected reps will present it to the senate and house of Reps. It will be debated by your intelligent folks in the house and a favorable vote will be passed. Then you can proceed to propose a referendum in the house where only igbos will vote if they want to stay or not. Then there will be a proper delineation of the Biafra territory and everybody will go his way. If you use this chest beating approach, for 900 years, you will keep being miserable without achieving anything. Biafra will not come. Buhari cannot give you Biafra, single individual can. only a constitutional processes can be used
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by johntolu: 12:25am On Jun 16, 2021
Igboid:


Stop taking nonsense.

Zik position on the "Secession clause" was not in capacity of Igbo leader but as NCNC leader.
NCNC was a true national party then.
Had members in North , East and West.

Zik clearly noted he was projecting NCNC position as regards to the Secession clause.

And it has to be noted that Zik never pointed guns at Awo or Balewa to accept his proposal.
They were in the end still responsible for whatever decision they took, which ended up being acceptance of Zik proposal.

So it's stupid for Unity beggars to wake up decades later and start spinning tales of how Zik and Ndiigbo foisted NO SECESSION clause on them, when Awo and Balewa could have said No to Zik but silently accepted his proposal because he made them to see reasons to do so through force of Superior argument and persuasion.


It is amusing hearing an Igbo man calling other Nigerians from other ethnic groups, 'unity beggars', when in actual fact, your fathers were the grand patron of 'Unity Beggars' right from the inception of the Nation.
Any Nigerian that has divergent viewpoints from you guys back then, are labeled as 'tribalist', and you guys pride yourselves as 'Nationalists', back then.

Truth be told, Azikwe never pointed guns nor hypnotized either Chief Awolowo or the Sardauna. What he did was even more gruesome and ignoble; he sold both Northern and Western Nigeria to the British because of Igbo Nation's selfish interest.

To get a clearer picture of Azikwe's ignoble role, check his narration of events why secession clause was not in the 1955 constitution;

(A)'The North (NPC) supported Action Group.
The question was then: Should we have secession?
The Colonial Office came to our rescue.
You know, the usual principle of Britain – ‘divide and rule’ (laughs) but this time, it was in our favour. So, the colonial office backed us'.

(B)'Lord Chandos said that on the face of the arguments before him it would be suicidal to incorporate secession in our constitution and that is why we have section 86 in our constitution that if any region or state should secede, then it will be an act of treason'.

https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2017/06/25/my-opposition-to-secession-zik/#.Xy9j7NbRuxk.gmail


I decided to quote Azikwe's narration of events that led to the secession clause not been in the 1954 constitution, despite the insistence of both the North (NPC) and West(AG),
for unbiased Nigerians to see the extent the Igbos would go to have their way not minding the interests of other tribes in the country.
Contrary to the widespread deceits and lies of the Igbo Nations that the British and the Hausa-Fulanis were solely responsible for our 'forced marriage', it was actually the Igbos that aligned with the British to make our Federation a perpetual one with treason being the consequence of any attempt by any region, to pull out.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Igboid: 2:05am On Jun 16, 2021
johntolu:



It is amusing hearing an Igbo man calling other Nigerians from other ethnic groups, 'unity beggars', when in actual fact, your fathers were the grand patron of 'Unity Beggars' right from the inception of the Nation.
Any Nigerian that has divergent viewpoints from you guys back then, are labeled as 'tribalist', and you guys pride yourselves as 'Nationalists', back then.

Truth be told, Azikwe never pointed guns nor hypnotized either Chief Awolowo or the Sardauna. What he did was even more gruesome and ignoble; he sold both Northern and Western Nigeria to the British because of Igbo Nation's selfish interest.

To get a clearer picture of Azikwe's ignoble role, check his narration of events why secession clause was not in the 1955 constitution;

(A)'The North (NPC) supported Action Group.
The question was then: Should we have secession?
The Colonial Office came to our rescue.
You know, the usual principle of Britain – ‘divide and rule’ (laughs) but this time, it was in our favour. So, the colonial office backed us'.

(B)'Lord Chandos said that on the face of the arguments before him it would be suicidal to incorporate secession in our constitution and that is why we have section 86 in our constitution that if any region or state should secede, then it will be an act of treason'.

https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2017/06/25/my-opposition-to-secession-zik/#.Xy9j7NbRuxk.gmail


I decided to quote Azikwe's narration of events that led to the secession clause not been in the 1954 constitution, despite the insistence of both the North (NPC) and West(AG),
for unbiased Nigerians to see the extent the Igbos would go to have their way not minding the interests of other tribes in the country.
Contrary to the widespread deceits and lies of the Igbo Nations that the British and the Hausa-Fulanis were solely responsible for our 'forced marriage', it was actually the Igbos that aligned with the British to make our Federation a perpetual one with treason being the consequence of any attempt by any region, to pull out.

So we agree the British never had Secession as an option for any of the Regions and wouldn't have granted it to anyone anyway, irrespective of Zik position?
Zik wasn't the one pointing guns at anyone. The colonial were. Zik just happened to be on side the colonial were on , No ?

If Zik had been in for Secession clause, the British would simply pull off from independence talk. We saw it with how Bamenda ( South West Cameroon went).
They wanted fullfledged country of their own, but British made it clear that they must attach to Nigeria or to Cameroon and in both cases,there wouldn't be room for a Secession clause either.
Contrary to the narratives some of you are spinning here, there was never any room for Nigerian regions to exist as independent countries in British plans.
If Zik had not talked Awolowo and Balewa into backing down from the Secession clause, what would have happened?
We wouldn't know, but we know that Zik didn't have the command of any Army and wouldn't be the one dragging the West or North into the Union, the British would likely be the ones doing that. Either way, Awolowo and Balewa didn't seem to care much about the secession clause as to test the British resolve by insisting on it, afterall it was 2vs1 ?
You lots are just dubiously assigning non existent powers to Zik to drive home your retarded narratives of Zik stopping the Secession clause.
Nope Zik didn't. He never had the power to! Secession clause was removed with agreement by Zik,Awo and Balewa. They all agreed to not have it in the end. Zik never pointed guns at any of them. They always had the option to defy the British and go at it alone.

When exactly did Ndiigbo beg other NIGERIANS for Unity. When exactly.
Ndiigbo have always been anti subjugation.
We saw the British as subjugators and the Igbo spirit will never accept domination.
So we fought against them. We discovered that we stood a Better chance dislodging them if we unite the East,West and North in the fight to get them off our backs.
And that's what Zik did. But once the British was gone, we noticed the North were out for domination, so another fight ensued which we are still up against until now. Just like Zik had to rally the East, West and North to dislodge the British. Nnamdi Kanu is trying to rally the Yorubas, and minorities to dislodge to the Hausa-Fulanis as we speak.

This is who we are.

BTW. Zik in Secession clause wasn't a representative of Ndiigbo. He was a representative of NCNC, the only truly national party of that era, having members from Western, Northern and Eastern region.
He wasn't representing Igbo position, he was representing his party position.

In contrast, AG and NPC were mainly regional parties at that point in time, so it could be said that Awo and Balewa views were regional ones, but Zik view wasn't. As a leader of a national party, he had to take a national stand.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Paretomaster1(m): 5:45am On Jun 16, 2021
Iceman2017:
there are there to dominate you.
That's your greatest fear

Dominate who? You must be nut.... Who has been crying foul since inception ? Gerraheremehn
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by san316(m): 5:51am On Jun 16, 2021
Jonathan39:
Talk is cheap, why not tell your reps to propose a constitution that will educate Almajiris and make your poor masses rich? grin

Guess you guys are all rich down south ��
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by DedeNkem: 5:57am On Jun 16, 2021
These tribalistic nepotistic parasitic murderous animalistic terrorists actually think Igbos are the problems Nigeria has and not them! The same hypocritical Northerners are the ones stopping Igbos from seceding. They even went to war to stop Igbos!

I wish they're serious this time around to let Igbos go peacefully by allowing the Referendum to occur! But I'm sure they won't!
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Yusufisraelj(m): 6:07am On Jun 16, 2021
johntolu:


Dr. Azikwe should not be blamed for the positions he took Pre-Nigerian independence.
All the positions he took were in the best interest of his Igbo people. He has a better understanding of the Country more than most of his contemporaries; born in Northern Nigeria to a senior civil servant father, schooled in the East, also schooled and worked in Western Nigeria. He had a better understanding of the potentials of all the regions in Nigeria and realized that his Igbo people will benefit immensely in a United Nigeria with all it's attendant benefits.
What I found hypocritical is attempts by Igbos, at rewriting history that it was the British that foisted Nigeria on them when in actual fact, it was their fathers that started the 'One Nigeria' mantra, for purely selfish reasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_odAy4rVz8

Sardauna's remarks about the parasitic nature of the Igbos before they killed him in annoyance for speaking the honest truth is in the clip, above.


Absolutely, no one is blaming him (Zik) for that, while it was selfish, sincerely it was for the greater good. Equally just as you've pointed out, the short sighted opinion of some easterners just beats imagination, yes there were injustices pre, during and post civil war, but the victim card put forward by some is not just it.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Yusufisraelj(m): 6:08am On Jun 16, 2021
DedeNkem:
These tribalistic nepotistic parasitic murderous animalistic terrorists actually think Igbos are the problems Nigeria has and not them! The same hypocritical Northerners are the ones stopping Igbos from seceding. They even went to war to stop Igbos!

I wish they're serious this time around to let Igbos go peacefully by allowing the Referendum to occur! But I'm sure they won't!




Are you a student of history at all?
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Lionofthedesert: 8:27am On Jun 16, 2021
AntiBeEmCe:


Who are the leaders? The ones that are feeding fat from the overripe corruption in the failed contraption?

They were not the ones that started the calls for secession...so they are not the ones that will end it.

Leaders ko...leaders leading only their stomachs.

As for the bolded => when biafra first seceded, the north ( and by that, I mean the fulanis) fought with them... firing the first missile into their new nation.

Now, biafrans have started calling again for referendum and the "North" again, has sent soldiers to come and kill nd terrorize the East in the name of keeping One-Nigeria.

And you talking arrant rubbish about the north not holding us down. Are the fulanis not the ones in power? Have they not been in power since the beginning of this contraption?

Mind ur business okay...this doesn't concern you in anyway.



You are always delusional and obsessed with the North, how does the North sent Soldiers to the EAST to kill because u asking for secession ? u expect the government to fold its arm wile u keep killing security personnel and destroying public infrastruture ?

it concern me, because u r disturbing the peace of my country, yet you are out here claiming my domain as NOMANSLAND, you dont want anything to do with Nigeria, pacck your tings and leave...
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by ifynicky: 8:45am On Jun 16, 2021
Monogamy:


And why are the likes of Catalonian, Scottish could make use of the said UN laws?

Its a gradual process... but persistence, resilience and consistency would make it happen.

Thanks
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by DedeNkem: 9:17am On Jun 16, 2021
Yusufisraelj:


Are you a student of history at all?

Does a Nigerian needs to be a history student to know the history of the country?

I wanna know what you think I don't know about the history.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Timmi: 12:21pm On Jun 16, 2021
Priwillo:

They fear the dot in a circle

In your dream!!!
Keep on dreaming
Igbo Amaka
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by Yusufisraelj(m): 1:35pm On Jun 16, 2021
DedeNkem:


Does a Nigerian needs to be a history student to know the history of the country?

I wanna know what you think I don't know about the history.



Answering from your first post, Zik was against the secession clause which Awo and Balewa were strongly for, the purpose for that is outside this discuss.

However going forward, when Isaac Adaka Boro wanted to push for a secession in the Niger Delta region, Aguyi Ironsi shut down that plan and made a constitutional review that makes any attempt for a secession tantamount to treason. Since then that has been the position of subsequent governments or administration.

So the thing you guys are complaining about is a thing of interest, as at then the Igbos were the most progressive, so a united Nigeria is of great benefit, so now if other region thinks it's against their interest for speration they'll stall the idea. It's as Simple as that, that's the way politics works, so playing a victim card here is not the case.

Except you can rally enough support or the needed authority for what you want, forget it, no amount of shouting will change anything. Period.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by AntiBeEmCe(m): 3:43pm On Jun 16, 2021
Lionofthedesert:


You are always delusional and obsessed with the North, how does the North sent Soldiers to the EAST to kill because u asking for secession ? u expect the government to fold its arm wile u keep killing security personnel and destroying public infrastruture ?

it concern me, because u r disturbing the peace of my country, yet you are out here claiming my domain as NOMANSLAND, you dont want anything to do with Nigeria, pacck your tings and leave...

Didn't even read that, nd won't read the next trash you post talk more of dignifying it with a response...fvck off.
No need arguing with a Fulani zonbe.
Re: Northern Groups: Allow Igbos Exit Nigeria Now Through Peaceful Referendum by God1stson(m): 5:12pm On Jun 16, 2021
OnionBandit:
Everything no be business na. Plus, they aren't smart in business but ruthless in business. They are only United when they have prices of goods to inflate. Na who no fit do business?

That they are terrible at politics means they aren't good at anything. You need to be politically smart. No be everything be trade
Who told u Igbos are not smart in politics. We are liberals and will thrive in liberal politics were meritocracy and competence matters. Check Igbos and yorubas in UK and us, they occupy enviable positions cos competence was chosen over tribe and religion

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