ObaKlaz:
Not just what he owned, but what he cheated off others.
Luke 19:8...
"...and if I have cheated anybody of anything, I will pay back four times the amount."

There you have it. Clear enough for ya?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ endorsed Zaccheus' giving away of only some, and not all, of what He owned?

almarthins:

Is like you didn't really study the evolution of sin. How can a simple disobedience evolve into many sins.

You r using the wisdom of the serpent to nullify the gravity of masturbation.

Kobojunkie:
Ok, then you shouldn't have a problem providing Bible reference for this revelation which you claim was given you by Jesus Christ then, right?

MrPRevailer:
Ehh??

Yes it is a sin to sell gadgets that encourage sexual immorality or pleasure, makeup, attachments, weavon, skimpy cloths, "women trousers", alcoholic drinks, cigarettes.
Romans 1:32, 2 Timothy 3:4

If it's genuinely a health product. It may not be sin. You'll should still pray and ask God to lead you

https://t. me/covid19vaccinefatalies

Adakintroy:

Do you know who or what Jesus "is", mean" or represent?.

By conceptualization Christ is the best a human can be or attain. I am religious..but I will not go there with you. It's a dead end. Rather I will walk my way back with you rationally.

So by conceptualization Christ is the best a human can be. Name me one decent human that praise the service of weed or achohol.

IgweOfNnewi:
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other (tithe) undone.

Kobojunkie:
1. Sure...by their fruit you shall know them... and the same Jesus Christ went on to teach you that those who love Him , are His, are those who submit and obey His commandments, giving you the biggest clue as to what the fruits He spoke of refer to - obedience(good) & disobedience(bad) of the commandments and teachings of Jesus Christ.

So , what bad fruits have I dropped so far to warrant your accusing me of heresy?

2. Did Jesus Christ indeed state that what is sin is masturbation? Can you please provide bible reference for this?

frank417:

Yes, Jesus is the new covenant but he still didn't disown the commandments(written) of God through the prophets.

See the following verses:

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

story of the young rich man and Jesus
.....
the verse before and the verses of the young rich man were said by Jesus. It proves that even after believing in Christ, there is a lifestyle we must have to show the truth lies in us and we are upholders of the law.
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1 John 2:4 also says "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Now let us read God's commandment and also see where all those laws Jesus told the young rich man was first written:

Exodus 20:2-17
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You can now see that Jesus is in alignment with the word of God and his commandments.
This is why I said you should read the book of Romans carefully to have a better understanding of what believing in Jesus truly means but you said there is no need to read it since you have already read Jesus's gospel and believe. Why pick a particular gospel and throw away the rest? And surprisingly, you still make strong reference to the bible when trying to prove your point? Why being picky With the bible?

God first wrote his commandment on a stone and handed over to moses. and he also inspired his messengers through the Holy spirit to do the same. These scriptures have been compiled in the bible but yet you choose to be picky with them.

Jesus also endorsed the words(written) from the prophets before him by saying he came to fulfill the word of the prophets, and he also endorsed the diciples after by commanding us to go into the word and preach the gospel. This gospel we have learnt from the bible and preach with the bible.

Why are you picky?

Kobojunkie:
Wait a second.... you claimed Jesus Christ's endorsement of Zaccheus's acts and I specifically asked you to show where Jesus Christ did this....not the acts of Zaccheus.
where is this endorsement you spoke of?

ObaKlaz:
That man/moniker saw through you easilly and called you exactly what you are - an heretic!.

Your stand is that smoking, buying/selling of intimacy gadgets and gadgets etc isn't sin because Jesus didn't explicitly say so??! Wow!!!

I may not be the 'best Christian' around but what you have is just head knowledge devoid of the very life of Christ.

Mangling and twisting scriptures into utter perversion.

Mtcheeew!

Kobojunkie:
God is a God of Laws/Covenants - Noahic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, Mosaic Covenant(Old Covenant Law of Moses) etc.

Jesus Christ is one of God's many Laws. He is the embodiment of God's New Covenant/agreement promised by God through His prophets, from even the time of Abraham, with which to save Israel and to bless the nations of the world with.

The teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ define for us what sin is in the Kingdom of God and is Law we are meant to live by. So, if Jesus Christ declares it sin, then it is indeed sin. If not, then it's not.

So where did Jesus Christ teach that alcohol and weed are sins?

ObaKlaz:
Oga, Jesus' declaration of salvation into the house of Zachaeus in the next verse is an obvious approval of Zachaeus' act of restitution.

Or, lemme use your own logic back on you: show me explicitly in black and white where/how Jesus disapproved of . Zachaeus' act of restitution.

If you can't, then you're just talking, not communicating.

Kobojunkie:
1. God is a God of Laws/Covenants - Noahic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, Mosaic Covenant(Old Covenant Law of Moses) etc.

2. Now, God's Laws are also absolute in the sense that when you adopt one, you let go of every other Law in order to do that. For instance, the Old Covenant contains a law that you are not to add or remove commandments or from it. So any attempts to practice both the Old and the New Covenants Covenants same time is a sin.

In similar manner, the New Covenant declares that you are not to add or remove to or from the Law, even by way of teachings and doctrines of men, as that is sin against God.

3. Jesus Christ is one of God's many Laws. He is the embodiment of God's New Covenant/agreement promised by God through His prophets, from even the time of Abraham, with which to save Israel and to bless the nations of the world with.

The teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ define for us what sin is in the Kingdom of God and is Law we are meant to live by. So, if Jesus Christ declares it sin, then it is indeed sin. If not, then it's not.

However, the Mosaic Covenant, the Old Covenant Law of Moses,is instead a Law given by God only to those who are descendants of Jacob for living in the land of Canaan. So those of gentile descent are excluded from practicing that Covenant, from the very beginning, by God Himself - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 -20.

So it isn't the case that I am picky but instead that I understand the different Laws God has in place and the contract to which God has called me to living by.

Now your question about Jesus Christ living in fulfillment of the Old Covenant is a valid one but there is so much to that that delving here will only derail this conversation, so let's leave that Interesting topic for another thread please.

lordmayor2013:
A free thinker asked: "Why is sin hereditary and salvation is not"?





For those quoting me, this is for you
Deuteronomy 5:9
" I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers’ sin to the third and fourth generations"

frank417:

You derailed the conversation when you said you do not believe the bible is God's word, but yet you make references to it in defence of your views.

All I can deduce from our conversation is that you are one that choose to believe what sits well with you in the bible. You believe the Gospel of Mat, Deu is legit but you do not believe the gospel of Romans is, and when I ask why, you said you don't believe the bible is the word of God and highlighted the "book of apocrypha".
But take a look, all through this thread you are making reference to the same bible to defend your views.

I think you just want to believe what you choose to believe from the bible.

Please read the Bible COMPLETELY. Whoever typed Mat, Deu also typed Romans and the rest.

almarthins:


No let the devil decieve you. So his purpose is to sell dido, cocumber, silicon dick?
Adam and Eve go just dey weep for this generation. Make I no even mention Jesus.

OKAY LET US REMOVE THE PLEASURE FROM SEX, AND WILL YOU STILL PERFORM SEX

jeff1607:
Just surprised no one is talking about restitution before he starts the business after being born again

Kobojunkie:
1. My not subscribing to the same ideas you have of the book called the Bible in no way derailed my thoughts as far as this conversation. If I have to make reference to that which I learned from reading history books, I will too.

2. Stop trying to deduce me and my thoughts in this. Rather, focus on the arguing whatever point you are trying to make in this entire conversation and maybe by that you get even closer to learning how to approach the Word of God than thinking Bible first.

3. That book you call your Holy book contains the words of demons, witches, Satan evil men, as well as the Word of God Himself. That you are able to convince yourself that all that is Holy is you and only you. Nowhere is it written by God Almighty that the book is holy and nowhere does God tell you that even the words of Satan as written in that book are His Words, so I think you need instead wake up to the fact that your belief in the holiness of the book is a personal choice you made against all the evidence.


4. Another thing! When Jesus Christ declared that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments, He meant the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - and not the Old Covenant Law of Moses defined in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

frank417:

You are picky with words from the same book that you said you do not believe is God's word.

Apostle Paul wrote the books of the Romans. This is a man that Jesus appeared to and converted personally from Saul to Paul. Jesus also commanded him to preach the Gospel and took him to many nations(endorsement). This same Apostle broke down what it meant to be declared righteous through faith in Jesus Christ in the book of Romans. I told you to read it and you blatantly said you do not need to read it.

Jesus endorsed his deciples, filled them with the Holy spirit and sent them preach, and even said to them in Matthew 10:14: “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”

You also claim the bible is not the compilation of God's word but yet you still make reference to it in your defence.

I ask you again:
1. what book are you reading and how did you get to have knowledge about Christ?

2. Why are you still making reference to the bible in defence of your views but still say the bible is not God's word and you don't believe it is(this one confuses me the most)

3. Why choose to believe in certain chapters/verses and do away with some chapters from same people endorsed by Christ.

4. Whatever book you are, who compiled it and why do you think it hasn't been manipulated?

Kobojunkie:
Here's a simple question for you.

If Jesus Christ said A, and Paul instead said Q, is the answer A or Q?

frank417:

Lol now I know you are just saying from your views. Paul was in alignment with Christ. You just have a wrong understanding.

Have a nice day and please read your bible.

aidameoryou:
TYPICAL AFRICAN MAN MENTALITY.
WHEN WILL OUR AFRICAN BRAINS OPEN AND WE KNOW THAT GOD HAS GIVEN YOU LIFE, AND GOD STILL LETS YOU CHOOSE WHAT YOU NEED TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE.
WHEN WILL WE LEARN TO SEPARATE OUR BUSINESS WITH ALL THESE RELIGION BROUHAHA, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE HUMANS AND NOT GOD.
SO LONG AS YOU ARE DOING A BUSINESS OR MOVE THAT DOESNT HURT ANYONE, AND THAT DOESNT PUT ANYONE IN A BAD SPOT, WHO DO YOU OWE ANY EMOTIONAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ENTANGLEMENT OVER IT TO

SERIOUSLY OUR AFRICAN MINDS HAVE BEEN SO MUCH THWARTED AND CONFUSED TO THE EXTENT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE SERIOUSLY LIVING IN DELUSION, RATHER THAN LIVING THIS LIFE AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, AND AS THE CREATOR OF THIS UNIVERSE HAS MADE IT TO BE.

OUR AFRICA IS THE MOST RELIGIOUS, THE MOST PRAYING, BUT STILL YET THE MOST BACKWARD AND THE MOST DESTITUTE, WE WILL PRAY FROM MORNING TILL NIGHT TO OUR GOD TO GIVE US VISA TO ARRIVE IN A NON-GODLY COUNTRY, AND EVEN WE WILL WORK UNDER A NON RELIGIOUS PERSON OVER THERE, AND STILL CALL IT GOD'S BLESSINGS.

AN AFRICAN MAN WILL PREFER TO PRAY ALL NIGHT OF 12HRS, RATHER THAN LEARNING A 1HR COURSE THAT WILL BETTER HIS LIFE.
WHEN WILL WE GT OVER THIS BONDAGE OF RELIGION?

AN AFRICAN MAN WILL RATHER SHOUT AMEN, AND I RECEIVE TILL ETERNITY RATHER THAN HAVING A QUIET TIME OF SOLACE TO REFLECT AND INNOVATE/IMPACT MEANINGFULLY ON HIS LIFE.

OUR PASTORS WILL TELL US OF HOW OUR POLITICIANS ARE BLESSED WHILST SOME OF THESE OUR POLITICIANS RENDERING PEOPLE HOPELESS IN ALL AREA OF THE COUNTRY.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, MOST OF OUR PRAYER POINTS ARE BASED ON PROSPERITY AND SUCCESSFULNESS, AND BREAKTHROUGH AND WEALTH, AND KILLING EVERY OBSTACLES IN OUR WAY, WHILE THE PURPOSE OF OUR RELIGION AND SUPPOSED RELATION WITH GOD SHOULD BE ETERNITY AT LAST

AN AFRICAN MAN WILL PRAY AND FAST FROM NOW TILL NEXT TOMORROW TO TRAVEL TO CHINA (A NON RELIGIOUS COUNTRY) TO GET WORK, AND WILL KILL ANYONE IN THE WAY OF THAT WITHOUT EVEN THINKING TWICE, AND WILL STILL CALL IT GOD'S PLAN AND PURPOSE.

THE GREATEST BREAKTHROUGH IN LIFE IS FINDING YOUR PURPOSE ON THIS EARTH, AND FULFILLING YOUR GREATEST POTENTIAL.... AND NOT PRAYING 24HRS A DAY.

Kobojunkie:
God said he ought to give everything he owns away, you are talking of only giving some away.

frank417:

This is you right now:

26. However, Jehovah’s angel spoke to Philip, saying: “Get up and go to the south to the road that runs down from Jerusalem to Gazʹa.” (This is a desert road.)

27. With that he got up and went, and look! an E·thi·oʹpi·an eunuch, a man who had authority under Can·daʹce, queen of the E·thi·oʹpi·ans, and who was in charge of all her treasure. He had gone to Jerusalem to worship,

28. and he was returning and was sitting in his chariot, reading aloud the prophet Isaiah.

29. So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” 30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?”

31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?” So he urged Philip to get on and sit down with him.

34. The eunuch then said to Philip: “I beg you, about whom does the prophet say this? About himself or about some other man?”

35 Philip began to speak, and starting with this scripture, he declared to him the good news about Jesus.

The Ethiopian eunuch is you right now. But in your case, you have already decided and believe that it is not possible for God to use human to preach Jesus Christ.

I have offered to have a personal study with you and I still wish you accept my offering. You can come with whatever area you want us to discuss about.

lookingfly:
the other being reffered to here is not tithe but the omission of the weigtier things as stated above. Secondly, this portion doesn't give an affirmation that Jesus gave tithe because he only used it to teach about the hypocrisy of the pharasees and scribes. Untill you open a portion that stated Jesus and he's disciples paid tithe, you are only making a contribution. And if you say you're bent on paying tithes, read this portion Deuteronomy 14:22-27 cos that's the right way to pay tithe. Malachi 3:10 is scolding the Levites priest who refused to pay tithes to the high priest(Aaron) after collecting from the people.

jeff1607:
Where did I say give some? Restitution can’t be done in part or half.

bestabigaelever:
BTW, when are you getting that 9inches for your babe