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|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Workch: 6:39pm On Jul 01|
Gambit23:I am glad you now realize how stupid it sound to say a god created you without any evidence.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by udoji2021: 6:49pm On Jul 01|
Thanks for this
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by drlateef: 6:55pm On Jul 01|
Which specific question do you want answer for?
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by APOSTLECHUMA: 6:56pm On Jul 01|
READ THIS, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY GOD ALLOWED THE FALL OF MANKIND THOUGH BEING OMNISCIENCE, HE KNEW ABOUT IT AND BEING OMNIPOTENT, HE HAD THE POWER TO STOP IT BUT DID NOT. THE FALL OF MANKIND WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT BEFORE GOD, BUT HIS PERFECT PLAN AS THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN IMPUTE THE WORD OMNISCIENCE UNTO HIM, IF HE DIDNT KNOW ABOUT IT. GOD HAS MANY ATTRIBUTES, HE HAS THE ATTRIBUTE TO BE OUR SAVIOUR, TO BE OUR HEALER ETC. TO BE OUR SAVIOUR, THERE HAS TO BE FALLEN HUMAN RACE TO SAVE OR IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO DISPLAY THAT ATTRIBUTE. HE IS OUR HEALER, BUT HOW ON EARTH WAS GOD GOING TO MANIFEST HIS POWER TO HEAL, IF HUMAN BEINGS HE CREATED, DONT GET SICK ? IF YOU GO TO THE UNIVERSITY AND STUDY MEDICAL SCIENCE AND COME OUT AS A MEDICAL DOCTOR AND THERE IS NO SICK PERSON ON EARTH THAT WILL REQUIRE YOUR SERVICES, CAN YOU PRACTISE ?. THE ANSWER IS NO, THE FALL OF MANKIND ONLY OPENED UP THE DOOR FOR GOD TO MANIFEST HIS POWER TO SAVE AND HEAL ETC THOUGH HE DIDNT DIRECTLY CAUSE IT. THE FALL OF MANKIND AND THE REASON WHY GOD ALLOWED IT, IS ONE OF THE HIDDEN MYSTERIES IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD PROMISED WERE GOING TO BE REVEALED IN THIS END TIME AS CONTAINED IN DANIEL 12-4 AND REV 10:1-7 AND ALL THESE MYSTERIES, INCLUDING THE MYSTERY OF HELL, WITH ITS 3 DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, THE MYSTERY OF WHO THE ANTICHRIST IS, THE MYSTERY OF THE ACTUAL SIN THAT TOOK PLACE IN EDEN, THE MYSTERY OF GATHERING TOGETHER OF THE TARES IN MATTHEW 13 FOR BURNING, WHICH WE NOW SEE IN ECUMENISM AND INTERFAITHISM, THE MYSTERY OF THE GREAT WOMAN OF REV 17 CALLED MYSTERY BABYLON THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS, WHICH IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH HER HARLOT DENOMINATIONAL DAUGHTERS HAVE ALL BEEN REVEALED. I CANT GO INTO THE MYSTERY OF THE FALL OF MAN AND WHY GOD ALLOWED IT AND THE MANY OTHER ONES AS IT WILL BE TOO LENGTHY BUT LET ME TOUCH THE MYSTERY OF HELL FIRE A LITTLE. NB: THE WORD HELL, HAS 3 APPLICATIONS IN THE BIBLE. 1 IT MEANS GRAVE, 2, IT MEANS PRISON HOUSE WHERE FALLEN ANGELS AND SINNERS ARE KEPT IN CHAINS AWAITING TRIAL AND LASTLY, IT MEANS A BURNING FIRE. BIBLE SAID THAT GOD WASNT GOING TO LEAVE THE SOUL OF CHRIST IN HELL, AND HERE, GRAVE WAS MEANT AS CHRIST WENT TO THE GRAVE (HELL) BUT GOD RESURRECTED HIM. 1 PET 3:18-20, WHEN CHRIST DIED, HE WENT TO HELL AND PREACHED TO SOULS THAT DIDNT REPENT IN THE DAYS OF NOAH AND THE HELL MEANT IN THIS SECOND APPLICATION IS THAT HELL OF AWAITING TRIAL, WHERE FALLEN ANGELS AND SINNERS ARE KEPT. LASTLY, THE 3RD APPLICATION OF HELL IS THAT IT IS A BURNING FIRE. IN REV 20-14, HELL (THAT PRISON HOUSE FOR LOST SOULS) AND DEATH, WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE AND THE BIBLE DESCRIBED THIS AS THE 2ND DEATH. THE LAKE OF FIRE IS THE ACTUAL HELL FIRE AND ONLY THOSE WHO LACK DEEP REVELATIONAL POWER OF BIBLE WILL CONTRADICT THEMSELVES AND NOT GOD. GOD WROTE THE BIBLE IN SUCH A WAY THAT NO MATTER HOW LEARNED YOU ARE, YOU MUST BE INSTRUCTED BY THE REAL AUTHOR (THE HOLY SPIRIT) BEFORE YOU CAN KNOW IT. OUTSIDE THIS, WE HAVE CONFUSION EVERY WHERE AND THE CONFUSION IS EVERY WHERE BECAUSE THEOLOGIANS ARE INTERPRETING IT WHEN THEOLOGY ITSELF IS FROM SATAN AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD. I COULDNT SUPPLY BIBLE VERSES BECAUSE OF SPACE, CALL 07054142412 IF YOU HAVE ANY BIBLE QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR ITS ANSWER FOR DECADES OR EMAIL- firstname.lastname@example.org
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|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Franklydes(m): 6:56pm On Jul 01|
Workch:what about Islam!!!!
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Cti28(m): 6:58pm On Jul 01|
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved, it is the power of God
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost.
In whom the god's of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by bereto(m): 7:00pm On Jul 01|
The answer is a question
How do you guarantee freewill if you're omniscience and omnipotent
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Remman(m): 7:02pm On Jul 01|
it's good that you're open minded.
Read a book titled "The 24 Elders - Before the Fall" it's even written by a Nigerian. You'll get some good insight to all your questions.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Kobojunkie: 7:03pm On Jul 01|
bereto:1. What is freewill?
2. And why do you believe that omniscience and omnipotence stand against the guaranteeing of freewill?
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by biggy26: 7:04pm On Jul 01|
udoji2021:Your challenge is that you are listening to wrong teachings. The word doesn’t contradict itself and God does not change His mind.
The question I have for you is, what did you hear that made you believe in the first place? Did you receive Christ out of conviction of truth or out of fear?
Mind you, spirits don’t die, spirits are eternal beings. If spirits die, then it means God has an expiry date.
Don’t be like the Galatians that started well and ended up being swayed away from the truth.
Right teaching produces right believing, and right believing produces right living.
Be careful who you listen to so you don’t waste your life.
If you need me, I’m available. Blessings!!
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Kobojunkie: 7:06pm On Jul 01|
biggy26:Abegi! He does not need more doctrines and traditions shoved at him. What He needs is clear understanding and obviously that is not something you have their yourself.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by UltraSphinx(m): 7:07pm On Jul 01|
Yes I do
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by LifePortConnect: 7:08pm On Jul 01|
Hello Bro. I understand how you feel. I have also felt similarly at some points having many questions to ask and seeking answers to same.
I have found out that all the answers to these questions are in the Bible and the HolySpirit will help us discover them when we ask sincerely.
God is not against your asking questions. Don't feel bad about that. He loves you and wants to have a closer walk with you. I believe that's the reason you want to know more: you also desire a closer walk with Him.
Would you please follow our page on Facebook @LifePortConnect then ask your questions. We will be able to guide you on the answers you seek as the Holy Spirit helps us.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Offpoint1: 7:09pm On Jul 01|
udoji2021:The point is Eve hard sex with the devil, then went on to have sex with Adam at almost the same interval and that sex is the popular "Fruit"
Devil has no power to posses human, so the only way to gain entrance is to deposit his seed in human.
After Eve had sex with the devil and went on to have sex with Adam, she conceived 2 kids (She had twins) from two fathers... (Make a research and you'll find out a woman can carry twins with different father)
Why did God rejected Kane offering? No pastor can tell you the reason, they'll tell you Kane gave bad offerings. The offering rejection has nothing to do with what Cain offered, but because Cain wasn't a child from Adam, but a son of God's enemy.
The first evil perpetrated on humanity was carried out by the Devil son's Cain.
There are more to Biblical stories you can't understand.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by adeshna: 7:14pm On Jul 01|
They are not. The perception is what is different.
In old testament bible says there's only the almighty one God, but new testament says 3 in 1.
Quran says it's only one.
God is one
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Cabble4(m): 7:17pm On Jul 01|
Workch:*I would have been so sad if I was indoctrinated by any church. It would have limited My scope in understanding scriptures.
Gladly, the Bible is a spiritual book anyone can accessed and God Almighty is readily available to bring elucidation where necessary.
*I wish you will be alive when that great day comes, where you wouldn't need faith because God will be THE REALITY and not an UNSEEN REALITY* .I bet you, you have never heard this last paragraph.Oh yea! THAT DAY IS COMING!!!
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Workch: 7:21pm On Jul 01|
Cabble4:okay good for you. Whatever rocks your boat.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Goodnigga: 7:22pm On Jul 01|
Anyways, Does God Exist? Yes! Who is GOD,? A Spirit being know as the First Cause. Science says everything manifested in the universe has a cause. The light in the universe is from the sun, the water is from the seas, the humans come from other humans ad infinitum. This, who caused the universe to appear? In the days of Albert Einstein et al, it was discovered that the universe had a beginning. If it had a beginning, then who began the universe? It must have been an entity who is above the universe and not physical that brought forth the universe. God the Spirit can only the known by the Spirit and Word(truth). He can't be deduced from empirical analysis or experiments.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Workch: 7:24pm On Jul 01|
Goodnigga:Science did not say everything has a cause, that’s your own version of distorting fact to suit your argument.
Even if god exist, there’s about 1 in 4,200 probability that it’s the Christian God.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by ABeeC: 7:24pm On Jul 01|
Liar Can u share the video of it
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Nnahokwudiri: 7:30pm On Jul 01|
When we look at the world today , the animals ,the changes of whether,seasons,the way our body works, who tells the animals to migrate for a particular reasons, the position of the earth compared to other planets. Don't you think someone created them?. Everything except God was created. For we humans we create every thing we need. Computers houses,spaceships etc, they didn't just come by chance. We plant some of our foods to grow from the ground. Have you studied the science of plants germinating?. Was it by Chance or someone made all this things to happen. God created every human or angel with a gift called "Free will" And that's why humans has the right to decide which part they want to follow. God couldn't destroy Satan in the garden of Eden after what he did for a reason. Which is Satan lies has to be over turned. Satan lied about Gods sovereignty and lied that Adam and Eve won't die after eating the fruit . And remember Adam and Eve were perfect humans and a perfect being had to take us away from sin. And for the brother that says God doesn't exist. The bible spoke about a prophesy that the land of Babylon would never be inhabited again. Do you know its still unhabitable today as we speak. Is just by Chance it happen or because someone higher made it that way.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Kobojunkie: 7:33pm On Jul 01|
adeshna:1. Man's perception over God's own declaration?
2. You yourself assert that indeed the Christian God cannot be the same God as Allah. So do not believe your own perception there?
3. The Jews describe their God as Lord of Lords implying He is Most High and this again, against your description of Allah? So, why do you say one thing but believe another?
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Empiree: 7:47pm On Jul 01|
udoji2021:If I told you this outright it wouldn't suit you. So rely not on propaganda but do as the screenshot (below) says
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by adeshna: 7:49pm On Jul 01|
Try not to mix things up. I did not say they are different, i said from the perspective of the old and new testament, then the Quran. So it's left for you to analyze.
A mistake many people make today is saying Allah is a different God. It's just a language difference of saying God.
In yoruba, God means Olohun, Igbo it means Chukwu or Chineke, in Arabic it means Allah. It's just a language difference, it doesn't mean Allah is a different God just because the arabs don't speak english.
God is conceived of as the supreme being, creator, and principal object of faith.
Let's say it in this way. There is a creator of the earth, except if you don't believe there is a creator, then all this discussion isn't necessary. Logically, there is one creator, not two. So if Christians in old testament says it's just one creator called God, then in new testament they believe it's not one God, but 3 God's making one, then Muslims believe there is only one God.
The only difference here are those of the new testament who believe there are 3 God's in one.
Basically, the way the people in new testament view God is different from those of the old testament and the Muslims.
However, in real sense there is a creator, and he's one. No matter how a religion perceive God to be, either from roman, or arab perspective doesn't change the logic that there is one creator, the culture difference doesn't make the creator of the earth different.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Kobojunkie: 7:53pm On Jul 01|
adeshna:1. This isn't about a difference in language and traditions. This is a difference that exists in the character of the deities in question in question. In much the same way that the Greek god Zeus is different in character and representation from the Jewish God, so also Allah is different from the Jewish God.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by BananaPeel(m): 7:59pm On Jul 01|
tujays:To give to the poor is one teaching of Christianity but don't think ones I am giving then I'm a good Christian. There are people who give but in their heart lies wickedness; that's the devil and his children like you.
Repent and be born again and you shall receive eternal life.
No matter what a man gives, if he has not received Jesus Christ and born again, he shall have no eternal life.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by kelvinrhs(m): 8:00pm On Jul 01|
Have you ever wondered who created the birds, land and the sea?
The Bible made us understand that God created all of this things we see
And he created us in his own image and bestowed his wisdom unto us
A perfect example Is this, all the things that man has created since the beginning of time has always been a copied work of God
For example the airplane that you see looks like a flying bird, the Porsche car looks like a dolphin, the robots looking like man and etc like that
God does exist and he superceeds us in all
Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he's not there
Let's take for example your intestines, you cant see them but they help you process foods but yet you can't see them
Just as God is there helping you through life and you can't see him
But if you ever doubt the Bible, read the book of revelation that was written many years ago and you will get to understand and realize the manifestation of things in the present world
Also if you still doubt God, I'll advise that you lookup videos of Angels been caught on camera (I will not advice you to do that though because the Bible says blessed is he that has not seen but yet believes)
I am a curious cat so I have seen those things
Also if you doubt there's God look up demon's getting cast out then u will understand that there is a higher force out there
Really sorry about the long text....
Hit me with your questions if any...
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by MOBBDEEP: 8:00pm On Jul 01|
Jesus is Lord!
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by adeshna: 8:10pm On Jul 01|
I disagree. To make this simple. You have to research into the main book of religions to get your answer.
This cannot be discussed by just our own way of reasoning, it's better to look into what really stands for christianity then Islam, you will understand better.
I wanted you to do that. I have done that myself. I researched christianity and Islam. I've done that for a long time. Islam and christianity have many things in common. Just that many people don't have time to look into.
You will find out that both religions have so much in common. Just minor difference due to our perception.
Also, the way of worship is different.
For other religions, they are different from the two main ones. Some believe in objects, some in other humans, and some believe there is one God.
There are lots i like to talk about but it's not easy typing
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by adeshna: 8:16pm On Jul 01|
To answer this question. Please and please, don't attack me here. We are here to liberate ourselves.
To understand the concept of God
I know people who were in this situation. I mean it.
To get your answers. Read the two major scriptures we have.
If you're a christian, read the bible from start to finish, then read the Quran. Brother, i bet you you will find your answer. Don't say ohh, a christian reading the Quran. It doesn't harm. It's on Google play, if it's not a good book to read it won't be there.
You can read both simultaneously. I bet you brother. In Africa we are so fanatical. Not saying you should be a muslim. Just read the Quran from the first chapter. Before you finish 5 pages or the second chapter you will start getting your insights answers. You're learned, so no one can twist your mind.
Anyone can read it as well. Let's leave our differences.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by Kobojunkie: 8:19pm On Jul 01|
adeshna:I researched many of the religious books before coming to this realization. There is no way to conclude that Zeus is Hebrew God. The assumption that they are one and the same would require a huge logical leap which is the end would be meanings. In much the same way, Allah cannot be the same as the Hebrew God, and this again because their very characters and description differs a great deal. Amadioha is not the same God as Obatala neither is Eledumare.
So instead I came to conclusion that there are many gods - a hierarchy of gods - each with different characters and different, and many of them, if not all, pretending to be the one and only, however the #1 is the Most High, the Sovereign one.
|Re: My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by leofab(f): 8:21pm On Jul 01|
Dtruthspeaker:this is like convincing a crawling child that walking is better... you are still in your crawling stage...
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