Emusan:


The scripture says Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God.

Only a conscious being has ability to KNOW

Barristter07:


The same way human spirit was said to know .

Did Jesus return to Heaven the day he died ? His spirit return , didn't it ?

Barristter07:


No Person in the universe can know what the Son doesn't know about the Father .

We are clear . This spirit of God is not a person ...

Emusan:


Yes because human spirit is a person.

Jesus went and preached to the dead in prison

Barristter07:
The scripture didn't say Jesus went there to help .

Again I ask: where is it written that the reward for sinners is Prison ?

Emusan:


But the scripture says Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God.

Barristter07:
It's a person , yet Jesus himself didn't return to God ?

WHICH PRISON ? and where is it written that dead people are going to prison ?

Barristter07:

That makes Holy spirit a non person. NOBODY , persons can know what the son doesn't know about the Father



Omoh

Emusan:

So what message did Jesus preach to them?
The prison is the abode they are kept forgetting final judgment .

Emusan:


Only a conscious being has ability of KNOWING

That makes the Holy Spirit to be a very real person.

Barristter07:

E no get name ?

Besides only those of Noah went to this prison ?

What happen to others ?

I thought with God there is no partiality
Omoh

Barristter07:
I repeat no person, conscious being can know what the Son doesn't know about the Father.

It's as real as Jesus breath that return to the Father the day he died.

Emusan:


How do you know?

Are the wicked not KEPT FOR DESTRUCTION?

Barristter07:


After his Ressurection, I have not YET ascended to the Father.

You no read am ?

So wetin return to the Father before ? Breath or Jesus ?
Orisirisi

Kept where ? Prison ? Where is it written that the wicked are kept in prison ?

Besides we are still talking about the partiality in judgement.

Barristter07:


I have . Can someone else knows the Father's mind like Jesus ?

Emusan:


That statement means "I'm not going to be with the Father forever NOW, I'm still here for sometimes, so go quickly and tell people of what you see instead of holding to me"

So this isn't Jesus claiming his spirit didn't go anywhere.

In 1 Peter

You haven't answered my question.

Which message did Jesus preach to the dead in prison?

Emusan:


But the scripture says Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God .

Barristter07:
I have not yet ascended

I have not yet ascended

I have not yet ascended.

Stop telling lies.

The dead are not kept in prison. No scripture sanction that. 1Peter is not reffering to wicked humans. So God kept only the wicked people of Noah's day in prison, BUT NOT OTHERS ? You are even attacking God's impartiality just to maintain a false doctrine.

Barristter07:
Holy spirit is not a person, that's why scripture say so. No conscious being can know what the Son doesn't know about the Father

Emusan:

That Jesus statement is self explanatory unless to a toddler like you.

[s]
Besides, I'm still waiting for the answer to WHICH MESSAGE DID JESUS PREACH TO THE ANGELS IN PRISON?
Where are the dead kept?
But the scripture says Jesus went and PREACHED TO TJE SPIRITS IN PRISON.
who are these SPIRITS? [/s]

Barristter07:
I take this to mean you don't understand anything yourself.

He would be lying to claim he is Yet, ( emphasis on Yet) to return to his Father when his Spirit has returned already.

God don't keep any dead human In prison. The Fact that the passage even single out Noah's days proved the spirit there are those wicked angels. To claim it's human is to claim God is partial in judgement.

Evidences so far that human spirit is not a person.

- reffered as " it " Eccl 12:7

- Not the same as Jesus ( Luke 23:46)

The only one you presented fall like a pack of cards.

We can see human spirit , a thing personified to know, same applies to holy spirit. Further cemented by the Statement that no other conscious being in the universe can know what the son doesn't know about the Father.

livingchrist:
office cannot talk.
God said "let us create man in our image" God was not talking to office.

"They" "He" are personal pronouns used to describe persons not offices. Same error with Jehovah witness who believe the holy spirit is not a person but mere force even when the holy spirit was called an "He".

Barristter07:


No Person in the universe can know what the Son doesn't know about the Father .

We are clear . This spirit of God is not a person ...

Bishopkingsley:


A person is one who others uses he to describe him or the one who uses me to describe himself

Jesus used he to describe holy spirit
Then holy spirit used me to describe himself

Barristter07:


Can Holy spirit know what the Son doesn't know about the Father ?

Bishopkingsley:


Look at the different names of the holy spirit look at how similar he answers the same name with Jesus and the father .............
And decide if he is your mate or if he can answer that question



Breath Of The Almighty

Job 33:4

Meaning-The Holy Spirit is the life-giving breath of God!



2.Counselor & Comforter

John 14:16,26; 15:26 and Romans 8:26

Meaning- The Holy Spirit is our comforter, our counselor and He gives us strength!



3. Spirit of Counsel

Isaiah 11:2

Meaning- The Holy Spirit will counsel us and teach us as we grow in Christ!



4. Eternal Spirit

Hebrews 9:14

Meaning-The Holy Spirit is the eternal God!



5. Free Spirit

Psalm 51:12

Meaning-The Holy Spirit is a generous and willing spirit!



6. God

Acts 5:3-4

Meaning- The Holy Spirit is God as the Third Person of the Trinity!



7. Good Spirit

Nehemiah 9:20; Psalm 143:10

Meaning- God’s Spirit will teach us and lead us in goodness!



8. Holy Spirit

Psalm 51:11, Luke 11:13, Ephesians 1:13, 4:30

Meaning-God is the Spirit and He is Holy! He is the Spirit of Holiness.



9. Lord

2 Corinthians 3:16-17

Meaning- As the Third Person in the Trinity, the Holy Spirit is recognized and worshiped as the Lord!



10. Power of the Highest

Luke 1:35

Meaning- The Spirit of God’s Power, He is the greatest power!



11. Spirit of Might

Isaiah 11:2

Meaning- He is the Spirit of strength.



12. Spirit of Adoption

Romans 8:15

Meaning- By this Spirit we are made heirs of God



13. Spirit of Burning

Isaiah 4:4

Meaning- He is the fire of purification!



14. Spirit of Judgment

Isaiah 4:4, 28:6

Meaning-The Spirit brings conviction and judgment.



15. Spirit of Christ (Jesus Christ)

Romans 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11

Meaning- The Holy Spirit is the Spirit shared between Jesus and God



16. Spirit of Glory

1 Peter 4:14

Meaning-The Holy Spirit always gives Glory to God!



17. Spirit of God

Genesis 1:2, 1 Corinthians 2:11, Job 33:4

Meaning- The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Triune God!



18. Spirit of Yahweh, (Spirit of the Lord Yahweh)

Isaiah 11:2, Isaiah 61:1

Meaning- The Spirit has the sacred name for God-Yahweh!



19. Spirit of Grace

Zechariah 12:10, Hebrews 10:29

Meaning- He is a Spirit of Grace!



20. Spirit of Knowledge

Isaiah 11:2

Meaning-The Holy Spirit has clarity of Mind.



21. Spirit of Truth

John 14:17, 15:26

Meaning-The Holy Spirit is about truth not falsehood!



22. Spirit of Life

Romans 8:2

Meaning-The Holy Spirit gives life!



23. Spirit of Understanding

Isaiah 11:2

Meaning-The Holy Spirit is understanding!



24. Spirit of Wisdom

Isaiah 11:2, Ephesians 1:17

Meaning- The Holy Spirit is wise!



25. Spirit of the Living God

2 Corinthians 3:3

Meaning-The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the One True God who is the God of Life!



26. Spirit of Prophecy

Revelation 19:10

Meaning- The Holy Spirit inspires true prophecy!



27. Spirit of the Father

Matthew 10:20

Meaning- The Holy Spirit is shared between the Father and the Son.



28. Spirit of the Fear of the Lord

Isaiah 11;2

Meaning- The Spirit of the Spirit of reverence toward our God.



29. Spirit of the Lord (God)

Acts 5:9

Meaning-The Holy Spirit is the presence of the Lord.



30. Spirit of the Son

Galatians 4:6

Meaning-The Holy Spirit shared between the Son and the Father.



31. Spirit

Matthew 4:1, John 3:6, 1 Timothy 4;1

Meaning- Sometimes simply referenced as the “Spirit”.



32. Spirit of Revelation

Ephesians 1:17

Meaning-God reveals His truth through the Holy Spirit!

Barristter07:



The highlight only prove you didn't understand what you were quoting.

Jesus said only the Father know the day and hour.

Two things happen here. (A) Either holy spirit is a person and doesn't know

Or (B) holy spirit is not a person, hence the lack of mention.

(C) holy spirit know and it's a person.

C. Would make Jesus a liar in two ways. That the claim that only the Father know is false and that Holy spirit know what the son doesn't know about the Father. Which means Jesus lied when he said no one else know the Father like the son

Emusan:

Stop exposing your ignorance up and down.
Jesus' statement there didn't mean He HASN'T ASCENDED TO THE FATHER BEFORE that time but it's not YET the time to ASCEND FINALLY as He won't be SEEN again until the second coming.

The Bible says, Jesus didn't come to HELP ANGELS

That's why I first asked you, what is the essence of Jesus preaching to ALREADY CONDEMNED ANGELS for everlasting destruction? Which you codedly ignored.

I again asked, what is the impact of the message Jesus preached to this angels who are already CONDEMNED TO EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION? you pretended as you you didn't see that.

Finally, I've been asking, what is the MESSAGE Jesus preached to THIS ANGELS? Which you turned a blind eyes, as if you didn't see the question just because you know your lies will be exposed once again.

Evidence that Human spirit is a person is that The spirit KNOWS what is in the mind of Man. ONLY A CONSCIOUS BEING have that ability.

Evidence that Holy Spirit is a person abound throughout the scripture.
As:
1. The Holy Spirit was called "HE"
2. The Holy Spirit said to BE ANOTHER ADVOCATE, if Holy Spirit isn't a person, then Jesus can't TALK about ANOTHER advocate.
3. The Holy Spirit Has MIND
4. the Holy Spirit has WILL
5. The Holy Spirit can be GRIEVED
6. the Holy Spirit is grouped along The Father and the Son, in many places in the scripture i.e Matt 28:19 & 1 John 5:7.
7. The Holy Spirit can be talked to and speak.
8. The Holy Spirit can teach.

Bishopkingsley:
and Jesus said if you see me you have seen the father

You are still confused

Barristter07:
" Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father,
to my God and your God."

A) Notice the bold didn't say I have not yet ascended to the Father Finally ?

There is nothing like Finally in the text

B) the highlighted didn't say I am ascending ONCE MORE ?

Emusan lie will not kill you.

The absurdity of your idea is everybody go to heaven when they die. Clearly spirit of man is not a person.

The Bible said This are spirits in Prison who disobeyed in the days of Noah. . No man was promised Prison as a reward of their sin. It's more absurd when you realize this create unequal punishment for sinners , and make God partial. Prison is not for any human, it's for spirit angels chained in darkeness.

This means every body go to heaven , agree?

And despite all this holy spirit cannot know what the Son doesn't know. Creating the question : Is holy spirit among the nobody knows at Matt 24:36 ? Or it was omitted as it's not a person ?

Barristter07:


go back and read my post again. The lack of understanding is too obvious. Answer the question concerning holy spirit.

shadeyinka:

You and jom28gy are both correct. You are saying the same things from two different perspectives.
Let me add another description to this
The Trinity is the Identities of God as
1. The Father (who wills all things to be)
2. The Word (who speaks all things into being)
3. The Spirit (who makes/forces/powers all things to be)

You have spoken in terms of IDENTITIES and jom28gy has spoken about their SPECIALITIES (Offices)

It is very similar to the Trinity of Man
1. The Soul (who wills, plans, thinks things to be)
2. The Body(executes things to be in the physical)
3. The Spirit (who links man to the spirit realm and executes things in the spirit)

Yes, one Being BUT three Different Personalities
Yes, One Being but three different Offices