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Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by wirinet(m): 8:39am On Jul 19
pafra:


When God called the pastor, did he calling him to winners?

He should go and prove his calling. It must not be in winners.

The aspects of money. Ask anyone that attends winner's they will nerve emphasis money.

Is the only church that don't put anyone under pressure to give.

If any church lack anything just apply once approved the money will be released.

Every winners church have monthly impress. It is sent at the beginning of every month.

All workers are under a central payroll. It is not the duty of the local assembly to raise funds in winner's.

It is a taboo for a local assembly to raise funds it is forbidden.

If the church wants to build church, school, land or any other project. It is not the responsibility of the local assembly no member of the church is under pressure to donate. The head quarters mobilize the contractor to site.

This church is just unique.

Winner's transfer pastor every 2 - 3 Years. It improves effectiveness. As for the pastor sack there is more to it

Abeg dey lie small small now. Even Lai Mohammed no lie reach this.

My wife is a Winners member and in the beginning I followed her and the children to church to as support even though I do not even believe or like the church.

Not long after attending service regularly, i was asked to join the Publicity Unit. I was among those that took minutes of the pastors preaching for publication for the next bulletin.

Every Sunday they we always asking for one donation or the other. If its not the new children's church building donation, it would be to buy busses for the transportation unit. The first time I attended the publicity unit meeting I was forced to make a pledge. They were even using my apartment for the Saturday fellowships. In every meeting and fellowship we were required to make an offering. The last straw for me was when I was asked to pay N1,500 for the vest they gave me to identify me as a member of the publicity unit so I could walk around the church without any harassment from the security guys. I told them than I am using my resources and talent to serve the church free of charge and they expect me to pay for a vest I only use to do their job. I quit there and then. I told my wife that even though I love her and I will always support her, I would never step a foot it that church again.

Winners church exploit people to the fullest.

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Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pseudaria: 8:39am On Jul 19
Lifestone:

My common sense is telling me to hold people accountable for what they were hired to do.
It's mischievous to insinuate another meaning to what was written in black and white.
The failed Pastor wants a moment of fame, he had already and he should go enjoy his failure

My friend shut up. That's a very wrong mentality. The pastor is a not a failure. The missionaries who brought Christianity to Nigeria, if they followed your sick mindset would have been frustrated after many years of fruitless labor and today the likes of you and oyedepo may not have been christians
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by 2dominate: 8:41am On Jul 19
Lifestone:

Look at your twisted rationality, a Church hired a Pastor and he should evangelize for convert to go to other churches when he's heading a church where these converts can be discipled.
Well the simple question that his employer asked him is to show his fruits, he couldn't and he was rightly fired.
Are they not worshipping the same God in that other church, or is it now a kind of referral business where you have to bring them to yourself at all cost
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by youngpresidooo: 8:42am On Jul 19
Humanoid01:

You win souls to GOD, not to YOUR LOCAL CHURCH. Evangelism is not an exercise to bring people to your local church, it is the act of reaching out to people with the gospel of Christ so that they can be saved. They don't need to attend your local church to grow, there are other churches where they can do that.
when u win souls. Discipleship is next. How do you disciple someone not under ur tutelage
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by emmyileri(m): 8:42am On Jul 19
Is numerical values only the yardstick for spiritual growth? The context of church growth in that letter should be well addressed. What about spiritual growth and maturity? If a pastor is sacked because church members are not increasing then something is wrong. I can lower the standard of a church and experience a higher increase in numerical values
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by wirinet(m): 8:43am On Jul 19
helpee:
So who is now making stupid argument? Does it make sense to use the tithe paid by members of a hardworking pastor whose fruits are obvious for all to see and then use it to pay a pastor that has empty seats? If other pastors can work to bring people to the fold, why can't this pastor do same? Lazy People all over. Oyedepo pays every pastor so what is the argument that they are not using the tithe to pay the pastors working? What you are now saying is that they should also pay lazy pastors and if you believe the pastor's work is in heaven then heaven will pay him. You can't blame the pastor for that

Read my post once again and try and comprehend before rushing to take a bullet or strap a bomb for Oyedepo.
There is no where empty seats or lazy pastors were ever mentioned or discussed. The termed used was church growth index.

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Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by emmyileri(m): 8:44am On Jul 19
Lifestone:
Some lazy anti church elements never bothered to read the letter anyway, they ran to town screaming Church is a Business.
What's in a Pastor that could not bring in souls into the Kingdom of God? What was he hired to do?
Am not surprised where we are today as a nation when we could not hold people accountable for the assignments that they were given.
The attitude of the Pastor is the more reason he failed, an entitlement mentality and he was rightly sacked.
Am I getting something wrong here. Is it the pastor that will add to the church or christ.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 8:45am On Jul 19
wirinet:


Abeg dey lie small small now. Even Lai Mohammed no lie reach this.

My wife is a Winners member and in the beginning I followed her and the children to church to as support even though I do not even believe or like the church.

Not long after attending service regularly, i was asked to join the Publicity Unit. I was among those that took minutes of the pastors preaching for publication for the next bulletin.

Every Sunday they we always asking for one donation or the other. If its not the new children's church building donation, it would be to buy busses for the transportation unit. The first time I attended the publicity unit meeting I was forced to make a pledge. They were even using my apartment for the Saturday fellowships. In every meeting and fellowship we were required to make an offering. The last straw for me was when I was asked to pay N1,500 for the vest they gave me to identify me as a member of the publicity unit so I could walk around the church without any harassment from the security guys. I told them than I am using my resources and talent to serve the church free of charge and they expect me to pay for a vest I only use to do their job. I quit there and then. I told my wife that even though I love her and I will always support her, I would never step a foot it that church again.

Winners church exploit people to the fullest.
Can you see yourself? You quit because of 1500 to buy vest believing you are doing their job. When it was time to work, you believed you were doing it for them just because they asked you to pay 1500 ..why can't you say you were doing it for God? So you now want them to pay this pastor for free because now it is God's work. When it was time for you to pay ..you were doing it for them, now that they sacked the pastor they shouldn't because the pastor is doing it for God.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Acidosis(m): 8:45am On Jul 19
boxypane:

You are one of the problems we have in this country.

Why?
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pseudaria: 8:45am On Jul 19
advanceDNA:


Yeah.but church growth success has been tested to work on the platform of continuous invitation....the fact is theses pastor that were sacked ddnt drive outreach enough...if you invite 20people everyday one will come...

it’s simple principle...companies out there use the same principle in marketing ...


Can you imagine what you are saying. You are literally comparing church to commercial entities and making it look like that's how it's supposed to be.
THAT IS WRONG. and it will always be wrong. The church is not a profit driven venture neither is it a money spinning Enterprise no matter how much your likes try to make it seem so. Why is it that anything black man touch always takes an unfortunate turn
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Lifestone(m): 8:45am On Jul 19
pseudaria:


My friend shut up. That's a very wrong mentality. The pastor is a not a failure. The missionaries who brought Christianity to Nigeria, if they followed your sick mindset would have been frustrated after many years of fruitless labor and today the likes of you and oyedepo may not have been christians
I kept saying you guys have become paranoid, how has he being sacked by Winner's Chapel stopped him from continuing to preach, but his attitude is that of a failed person who is then bent on pulling down the house.
As per your other rants, that's for the feeble minded
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pafra(m): 8:47am On Jul 19
triplechoice:


You just rambled without mentioning the exact source of your Church revenue

Money don't fall form from haven the the soul bring the money.

Should we leave the souls because they bring the money?
Or we forget the money because the soul bring the money?

Zeph: 1:17 : my city through prosperity will be spread abroad.

God don't through money from heaven.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Lifestone(m): 8:47am On Jul 19
emmyileri:

Am I getting something wrong here. Is it the pastor that will add to the church or christ.
But he's a Pastor! I don't need to help him explain his call
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pseudaria: 8:48am On Jul 19
Lifestone:

He was employed by the Church. Ofcourse when you hear them at the interview, they will claim they have the call of God, it's obvious here that this Pastor has no call from God

Because he did not generate enough members vis-a-vis income therefore he is not called. You are very stupid. If na people like una na wan enter heaven................
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by advanceDNA: 8:48am On Jul 19
pseudaria:


Can you imagine what you are saying. You are literally comparing church to commercial entities and making it look like that's how it's supposed to be.
THAT IS WRONG. and it will always be wrong. The church is not a profit driven venture neither is it a money spinning Enterprise no matter how much your likes try to make it seem so. Why is it that anything black man touch always takes an unfortunate turn

U don’t know how to dialogue...
I never spoke about profit.. so I don’t know where u got that from...
If u don’t reach out people won’t come... how is that wrong??
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by ImaIma1(f): 8:49am On Jul 19
ijaw1stson:
Is Reno so bored in America? Must he react over everything he sees online? I tire for this man abeg


But when he reacts to a topic and it appeals to you, you won't wonder if he's bored.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by ImaIma1(f): 8:50am On Jul 19
InaNla:




Freeze thinks he can match Oyedepo? cheesy

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Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by seyz91(m): 8:50am On Jul 19
cheesy
ijaw1stson:
Is Reno so bored in America? Must he react over everything he sees online? I tire for this man abeg
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 8:51am On Jul 19
wirinet:


Read my post once again and try and comprehend before rushing to take a bullet or strap a bomb for Oyedepo.
There is no where empty seats or lazy pastors were ever mentioned or discussed. The termed used was church growth index.
Abeg yahoo boy comot. You can't contribute intelligently. You will just be derailing. Define the term church growth index ? so empty seats was not mentioned but money was mentioned abi because you are running your mouth all over the thread that they sacked him because he couldn't bring money to oyedepo. So you know empty seats was not mentioned , lazy pastor was not mentioned so where did they mention money in the letter? . I don't attend winners and I do t owe you explanation if I do.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Kondomatic(m): 8:51am On Jul 19
Lifestone:
Some lazy anti church elements never bothered to read the letter anyway, they ran to town screaming Church is a Business.
What's in a Pastor that could not bring in souls into the Kingdom of God? What was he hired to do?
Am not surprised where we are today as a nation when we could not hold people accountable for the assignments that they were given.
The attitude of the Pastor is the more reason he failed, an entitlement mentality and he was rightly sacked.
You people supporting the church are hypocritical elements, starting with Reno.

Don't pretend like you don't know what is going on, and if truly you don't then ask questions instead.


Ask yourself why pastors (especially RCCG) open churches in every street.... It's not to win souls for God, it's to generate revenue for church.

Ask yourself why a Christian will come to preach to you and invite you to their own church even though you made it clear that you're already a Christian and belongs to a church.
It is to generate revenue for the church.

Now on this particular issue, I am using RCCG as a reference because that's where I have first hand experience. Pastors are given targets just like marketers but the different is that target is directly money not members.... This is why they hit on paying tithe, sowing seed bla bla bla.

Some unfortunate Pastors use their own personal money to augment what was raised in the church and send to the state head quarters. Sue me and I will come with evidence.

Until we start being honest to ourselves and tell these CEO of churches that Christ is disappointed in them, things will never get better in Christiandom.

Look around you, why does it seem like Satan is winning every battle? Because Christians have deviated and lost their power.

Stop defending rubbish, those pastors were sacked because they're not remitting the required amount.

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Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by emmyileri(m): 8:52am On Jul 19
Lifestone:

But he's a Pastor! I don't need to help him explain his call
You are wrong brother. Spiritual aspect of life cannot be compared to the worldly way of doing things. This are men who are dedicated to serve God not oyedepo or winners. Winners is just a platform that God is using them. Let God be the judge 1 Corinthians 312-13NIV:If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13
NIV:their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.....these people didn't commit adultery or fornication.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by triplechoice(m): 8:53am On Jul 19
Lifestone:

If that guy is a true pastor, he won't drag the church to social media for ridicule. He knows his action won't bring back his job, but trying to embarrass the church which should ordinarily be his constituency. Where's Daddy Freeze today

The pastor dragged winners chapel to social media because he is an insider who knows exactly what goes on in that church that the public is not aware of.

BTW which other Pentecostal church in Nigeria you think would employ a pastor that was
openly disengaged by oyedepo who is seen as infallible by most, if not, all Pentecostal Christians

Except those pastor open their own church or find something else to do , their ability to fend for themselves and their dependents has been greatly jeopardized.

I don't think they were paid any disengagement benefit. If they were, then they should use the money to set up something for themselves. But I doubt if they were paid any
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by flowbaba1: 8:55am On Jul 19
There is a twist of faith and law here! Firstly, it is a church related work. Secondly, the pastor was being paid salary and other other statutory commitment such as Pension, HMO! Or else, he would have claimed he was used and dropped!

And Governtment were collecting PAYEE tax from Winners Chapel from service of the ex pastor! This makes everything Legal! In the case of Jesus, there was no appointment letter, they just followed Him, some even sold their lands and assets to further the gospel!

If I was the pastor and I truly wanted to serve God, I would not have gone full time! You can still be a pastor and run your business or secular job! In this case there was a employer and employee contract which means, Winners can be sued!

All these are just emotional or sympathy cry from the young man! If he can bear fruit, then he should start his own ministry or business and prove Bishop Oyedepo wrong! I am an employer too and I can tell you when someone is being paid to do a work, there is an expectation and even if people are giving the offering , the church is still accountable!

Even Jesus said, any branch that does not bear fruits He will cut off! This is a basic principle of productivity!

Thanks guys!
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 8:57am On Jul 19
triplechoice:


The pastor dragged winners chapel to social media because he is an insider who knows exactly what goes on in that church that the public is not aware of.

BTW which other Pentecostal church in Nigeria you think would employ a pastor that was
openly disengage by oyedepo who seen as infallible by most, if not, all Pentecostal Christians

Except those pastor open their own church or find something else to do , their ability to fend for themselves and their dependents has been greatly jeopardized.

I don't think they were paid any disengagement benefit. If they were, then they should use the money to set up something for themselves. But I doubt if they were paid any
I didn't read your write up finish. An insider that didn't talk until he was sacked. Please now...learn how to discuss intelligently on social media. Even if I don't know you, I will at least respect you. With what you wrote up here...you need a good second impression to dispel the rubbish you typed up there.
NB- I won't respond to your reply if you are not intelligent. You can abuse me but please, write intelligently
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by BluntTheApostle: 8:58am On Jul 19
nyiamfrank:
Reno Omokri wrote on his Facebook page


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=310019004236878&id=111647580740689

No matter how you look at it, Oyedepo and Winners Chapel got this totally wrong.

If Christ was concerned about church growth in terms of population, He would not have told the parables of the lost sheep and lost coin.

Better one sincere worshipper than hundreds of mere church goers and bench warmers.

Christ was never particular about numbers. In fact, narrow is the way, and only a few would find it.

May God save Christianity from these pastorpreneurs.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Gilbertase: 8:59am On Jul 19
Lifestone:

Did you read his post? Juxtapose his conclusion, I am not here for vain arguments
actually, you are here for vain arguments, that much is visible. What you are NOT here for is to answer clear, logical questions that ab initio have shattered your vain arguments.

This topic is empty really. Nothing about this is centred around Christ. You ppl shd leave oyedepo and his band of pastors to do whatever the hell they like. The Bible already mentioned clearly just how messed up things would be in these end times, so....
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Judolisco(m): 9:02am On Jul 19
thesicilian:
But should "church growth" only be measured by the number of new comers in the church? If a church has 20 members and they're all growing spirituality through the teachings and guidance of the pastor, isn't that worthy of commendation as well?
arbi na what's d use of going to church and missing heaven

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Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 9:02am On Jul 19
BluntTheApostle:


No matter how you look at it, Oyedepo and Winners Chapel got this totally wrong.

If Christ was concerned about church growth in terms of population, He would not have told the parables of the lost sheep and lost coin.

Better one sincere worshipper than hundreds of mere church goers and bench warmers.

Christ was never particular about numbers. In fact, narrow is the way, and only a few would find it.

May God save Christianity from these pastorpreneurs.
You are very correct. Only that Christ did not pay anybody to look for the lost sheep. This pastor don't need oyedepo to save a soul for Christ. You don't expect another man to pay you for doing God's work. He was sacked from collecting salary...not sacked from working for God. If money is not his motivation, I can't see any issue here. He should continue with that one genuine worshipper for God and God will bless him . Oyedepo has done nothing wrong here
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Babinski: 9:04am On Jul 19
nyiamfrank:
Mr. Reno, can you link the fruitfulness of a tree to human attributes?
Is the pastor not bearing children?

Church growth? Financially or in population?

When some people left Jesus as he was preaching, did he drag them back? He even turned to the disciples and asked why they remained with him!

Winners must not mention money in that letter. Be fair, man.

You cannot assume or put words into the mouth of Winners when their letter clearly stated "Church Growth". If you want to know the parameters used to guage church growth, then write to Winners to ask. Even the disgruntled Pastor that released the video didn't elaborate on that.

A church branch may have 100 members that are not increasing at the targeted rate yet consuming resources. The church may then decide to consolidate two or more of such branches into a single bigger branch of 500 or more members around the same locality and thereby reduce number of pastors, hall rentals and operational costs. Now would we day such decision is not sound in principle even for a church? Of course it makes good sense. But any sacked pastor involved could see it only from the perspective of him losing his daily bread and feel bad.

Furthermore, the sacking of any employee by a private organization cannot be questioned by just anyone except there are violations of extant laws. One of the downsides of social media is that it turns people into "amebo" without the stigma of a physical amebo. It is not everything we need to question or react to or make assumptions about!
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by MT: 9:07am On Jul 19
helpee:
You will need to answer this question first. Who employs the pastor? God or Oyedepo? If it is God, God will pay him since only God can appreciate whatever he does. Only God knows how many souls he saved in heaven. If you are now saying it was oyedepo that employed.. where do you expect oyedepo to get money to pay him? Since this is purely God's work, I expect you to condemn the pastor that was sacked not the one that sacked him..He expects another man to pay him for doing God's work. Does that makes any sense to you? Finally, you are asking me for a quotation about pastors in the Bible....There were no pastors per see in the Bible. There were priests.....and they were paid from the tithes by members of the congregation not by salary from a senior pastor. Even in the New testament.....the members brought everything they had to the church so it was shared. Bottom line is that it is not possible to pay or feed a pastor according to the Bible without members. Now that the church is empty...why should the pastor be paid by a senior pastor? Show me a reference in the Bible where it was the senior pastor that was paying salary to the junior pastor heading empty churches? Oyedepo did not sack him from church ..he only sacked him from collecting salary and since we are all doing this for God and not money, the pastor shouldn't be complaining

Nice submission. Maybe all this complexity would have been resolved if Oyedepo has not sat on church money from day 1. Maybe if Oyedepo has an identifiable business from the day he founded the church and not earning salary from the church but just preach and go to his regular job, maybe it would have been better.

So in a way we both align in our perspective that this is a business gone wrong between the pastor and Oyedepo.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by InaNla(f): 9:07am On Jul 19
ImaIma1:


Freeze thinks he can match Oyedepo? cheesy


Don’t mind him. Na yeye Dey worry am.
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pafra(m): 9:07am On Jul 19
wirinet:


Abeg dey lie small small now. Even Lai Mohammed no lie reach this.

My wife is a Winners member and in the beginning I followed her and the children to church to as support even though I do not even believe or like the church.

Not long after attending service regularly, i was asked to join the Publicity Unit. I was among those that took minutes of the pastors preaching for publication for the next bulletin.

Every Sunday they we always asking for one donation or the other. If its not the new children's church building donation, it would be to buy busses for the transportation unit. The first time I attended the publicity unit meeting I was forced to make a pledge. They were even using my apartment for the Saturday fellowships. In every meeting and fellowship we were required to make an offering. The last straw for me was when I was asked to pay N1,500 for the vest they gave me to identify me as a member of the publicity unit so I could walk around the church without any harassment from the security guys. I told them than I am using my resources and talent to serve the church free of charge and they expect me to pay for a vest I only use to do their job. I quit there and then. I told my wife that even though I love her and I will always support her, I would never step a foot it that church again.

Winners church exploit people to the fullest.

Your unit asking you for contributions 1500.
Is not a must you be in the department.

Go back and tell your pastor. Let's apply for funds for the children church.

I repeat no where in winners the local assembly undertakes a major project. Met your LCC. IT is a law the consequences is the pastor will be sacked

The Local assembly must get an approval from the head quarters. Approval comes with release of funds.

Do you do more than one offering in a service apart from Thanksgiving offering once in a month?

This donation for the children church, is it offering done separately from the main offering.?

Which branch of winners?

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