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|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by wirinet(m): 8:39am On Jul 19|
Abeg dey lie small small now. Even Lai Mohammed no lie reach this.
My wife is a Winners member and in the beginning I followed her and the children to church to as support even though I do not even believe or like the church.
Not long after attending service regularly, i was asked to join the Publicity Unit. I was among those that took minutes of the pastors preaching for publication for the next bulletin.
Every Sunday they we always asking for one donation or the other. If its not the new children's church building donation, it would be to buy busses for the transportation unit. The first time I attended the publicity unit meeting I was forced to make a pledge. They were even using my apartment for the Saturday fellowships. In every meeting and fellowship we were required to make an offering. The last straw for me was when I was asked to pay N1,500 for the vest they gave me to identify me as a member of the publicity unit so I could walk around the church without any harassment from the security guys. I told them than I am using my resources and talent to serve the church free of charge and they expect me to pay for a vest I only use to do their job. I quit there and then. I told my wife that even though I love her and I will always support her, I would never step a foot it that church again.
Winners church exploit people to the fullest.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pseudaria: 8:39am On Jul 19|
My friend shut up. That's a very wrong mentality. The pastor is a not a failure. The missionaries who brought Christianity to Nigeria, if they followed your sick mindset would have been frustrated after many years of fruitless labor and today the likes of you and oyedepo may not have been christians
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by 2dominate: 8:41am On Jul 19|
Lifestone:Are they not worshipping the same God in that other church, or is it now a kind of referral business where you have to bring them to yourself at all cost
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by youngpresidooo: 8:42am On Jul 19|
Humanoid01:when u win souls. Discipleship is next. How do you disciple someone not under ur tutelage
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by emmyileri(m): 8:42am On Jul 19|
Is numerical values only the yardstick for spiritual growth? The context of church growth in that letter should be well addressed. What about spiritual growth and maturity? If a pastor is sacked because church members are not increasing then something is wrong. I can lower the standard of a church and experience a higher increase in numerical values
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by wirinet(m): 8:43am On Jul 19|
Read my post once again and try and comprehend before rushing to take a bullet or strap a bomb for Oyedepo.
There is no where empty seats or lazy pastors were ever mentioned or discussed. The termed used was church growth index.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by emmyileri(m): 8:44am On Jul 19|
Lifestone:Am I getting something wrong here. Is it the pastor that will add to the church or christ.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 8:45am On Jul 19|
wirinet:Can you see yourself? You quit because of 1500 to buy vest believing you are doing their job. When it was time to work, you believed you were doing it for them just because they asked you to pay 1500 ..why can't you say you were doing it for God? So you now want them to pay this pastor for free because now it is God's work. When it was time for you to pay ..you were doing it for them, now that they sacked the pastor they shouldn't because the pastor is doing it for God.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Acidosis(m): 8:45am On Jul 19|
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pseudaria: 8:45am On Jul 19|
Can you imagine what you are saying. You are literally comparing church to commercial entities and making it look like that's how it's supposed to be.
THAT IS WRONG. and it will always be wrong. The church is not a profit driven venture neither is it a money spinning Enterprise no matter how much your likes try to make it seem so. Why is it that anything black man touch always takes an unfortunate turn
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Lifestone(m): 8:45am On Jul 19|
pseudaria:I kept saying you guys have become paranoid, how has he being sacked by Winner's Chapel stopped him from continuing to preach, but his attitude is that of a failed person who is then bent on pulling down the house.
As per your other rants, that's for the feeble minded
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pafra(m): 8:47am On Jul 19|
Money don't fall form from haven the the soul bring the money.
Should we leave the souls because they bring the money?
Or we forget the money because the soul bring the money?
Zeph: 1:17 : my city through prosperity will be spread abroad.
God don't through money from heaven.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Lifestone(m): 8:47am On Jul 19|
emmyileri:But he's a Pastor! I don't need to help him explain his call
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pseudaria: 8:48am On Jul 19|
Because he did not generate enough members vis-a-vis income therefore he is not called. You are very stupid. If na people like una na wan enter heaven................
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by advanceDNA: 8:48am On Jul 19|
U don’t know how to dialogue...
I never spoke about profit.. so I don’t know where u got that from...
If u don’t reach out people won’t come... how is that wrong??
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by ImaIma1(f): 8:49am On Jul 19|
But when he reacts to a topic and it appeals to you, you won't wonder if he's bored.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by ImaIma1(f): 8:50am On Jul 19|
Freeze thinks he can match Oyedepo?
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by seyz91(m): 8:50am On Jul 19|
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 8:51am On Jul 19|
wirinet:Abeg yahoo boy comot. You can't contribute intelligently. You will just be derailing. Define the term church growth index ? so empty seats was not mentioned but money was mentioned abi because you are running your mouth all over the thread that they sacked him because he couldn't bring money to oyedepo. So you know empty seats was not mentioned , lazy pastor was not mentioned so where did they mention money in the letter? . I don't attend winners and I do t owe you explanation if I do.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Kondomatic(m): 8:51am On Jul 19|
Lifestone:You people supporting the church are hypocritical elements, starting with Reno.
Don't pretend like you don't know what is going on, and if truly you don't then ask questions instead.
Ask yourself why pastors (especially RCCG) open churches in every street.... It's not to win souls for God, it's to generate revenue for church.
Ask yourself why a Christian will come to preach to you and invite you to their own church even though you made it clear that you're already a Christian and belongs to a church.
It is to generate revenue for the church.
Now on this particular issue, I am using RCCG as a reference because that's where I have first hand experience. Pastors are given targets just like marketers but the different is that target is directly money not members.... This is why they hit on paying tithe, sowing seed bla bla bla.
Some unfortunate Pastors use their own personal money to augment what was raised in the church and send to the state head quarters. Sue me and I will come with evidence.
Until we start being honest to ourselves and tell these CEO of churches that Christ is disappointed in them, things will never get better in Christiandom.
Look around you, why does it seem like Satan is winning every battle? Because Christians have deviated and lost their power.
Stop defending rubbish, those pastors were sacked because they're not remitting the required amount.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by emmyileri(m): 8:52am On Jul 19|
Lifestone:You are wrong brother. Spiritual aspect of life cannot be compared to the worldly way of doing things. This are men who are dedicated to serve God not oyedepo or winners. Winners is just a platform that God is using them. Let God be the judge 1 Corinthians 312-13NIV:If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
NIV:their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.....these people didn't commit adultery or fornication.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by triplechoice(m): 8:53am On Jul 19|
The pastor dragged winners chapel to social media because he is an insider who knows exactly what goes on in that church that the public is not aware of.
BTW which other Pentecostal church in Nigeria you think would employ a pastor that was
openly disengaged by oyedepo who is seen as infallible by most, if not, all Pentecostal Christians
Except those pastor open their own church or find something else to do , their ability to fend for themselves and their dependents has been greatly jeopardized.
I don't think they were paid any disengagement benefit. If they were, then they should use the money to set up something for themselves. But I doubt if they were paid any
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by flowbaba1: 8:55am On Jul 19|
There is a twist of faith and law here! Firstly, it is a church related work. Secondly, the pastor was being paid salary and other other statutory commitment such as Pension, HMO! Or else, he would have claimed he was used and dropped!
And Governtment were collecting PAYEE tax from Winners Chapel from service of the ex pastor! This makes everything Legal! In the case of Jesus, there was no appointment letter, they just followed Him, some even sold their lands and assets to further the gospel!
If I was the pastor and I truly wanted to serve God, I would not have gone full time! You can still be a pastor and run your business or secular job! In this case there was a employer and employee contract which means, Winners can be sued!
All these are just emotional or sympathy cry from the young man! If he can bear fruit, then he should start his own ministry or business and prove Bishop Oyedepo wrong! I am an employer too and I can tell you when someone is being paid to do a work, there is an expectation and even if people are giving the offering , the church is still accountable!
Even Jesus said, any branch that does not bear fruits He will cut off! This is a basic principle of productivity!
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 8:57am On Jul 19|
triplechoice:I didn't read your write up finish. An insider that didn't talk until he was sacked. Please now...learn how to discuss intelligently on social media. Even if I don't know you, I will at least respect you. With what you wrote up here...you need a good second impression to dispel the rubbish you typed up there.
NB- I won't respond to your reply if you are not intelligent. You can abuse me but please, write intelligently
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by BluntTheApostle: 8:58am On Jul 19|
No matter how you look at it, Oyedepo and Winners Chapel got this totally wrong.
If Christ was concerned about church growth in terms of population, He would not have told the parables of the lost sheep and lost coin.
Better one sincere worshipper than hundreds of mere church goers and bench warmers.
Christ was never particular about numbers. In fact, narrow is the way, and only a few would find it.
May God save Christianity from these pastorpreneurs.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Gilbertase: 8:59am On Jul 19|
Lifestone:actually, you are here for vain arguments, that much is visible. What you are NOT here for is to answer clear, logical questions that ab initio have shattered your vain arguments.
This topic is empty really. Nothing about this is centred around Christ. You ppl shd leave oyedepo and his band of pastors to do whatever the hell they like. The Bible already mentioned clearly just how messed up things would be in these end times, so....
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Judolisco(m): 9:02am On Jul 19|
thesicilian:arbi na what's d use of going to church and missing heaven
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 9:02am On Jul 19|
BluntTheApostle:You are very correct. Only that Christ did not pay anybody to look for the lost sheep. This pastor don't need oyedepo to save a soul for Christ. You don't expect another man to pay you for doing God's work. He was sacked from collecting salary...not sacked from working for God. If money is not his motivation, I can't see any issue here. He should continue with that one genuine worshipper for God and God will bless him . Oyedepo has done nothing wrong here
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Babinski: 9:04am On Jul 19|
You cannot assume or put words into the mouth of Winners when their letter clearly stated "Church Growth". If you want to know the parameters used to guage church growth, then write to Winners to ask. Even the disgruntled Pastor that released the video didn't elaborate on that.
A church branch may have 100 members that are not increasing at the targeted rate yet consuming resources. The church may then decide to consolidate two or more of such branches into a single bigger branch of 500 or more members around the same locality and thereby reduce number of pastors, hall rentals and operational costs. Now would we day such decision is not sound in principle even for a church? Of course it makes good sense. But any sacked pastor involved could see it only from the perspective of him losing his daily bread and feel bad.
Furthermore, the sacking of any employee by a private organization cannot be questioned by just anyone except there are violations of extant laws. One of the downsides of social media is that it turns people into "amebo" without the stigma of a physical amebo. It is not everything we need to question or react to or make assumptions about!
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by MT: 9:07am On Jul 19|
Nice submission. Maybe all this complexity would have been resolved if Oyedepo has not sat on church money from day 1. Maybe if Oyedepo has an identifiable business from the day he founded the church and not earning salary from the church but just preach and go to his regular job, maybe it would have been better.
So in a way we both align in our perspective that this is a business gone wrong between the pastor and Oyedepo.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by InaNla(f): 9:07am On Jul 19|
Don’t mind him. Na yeye Dey worry am.
|Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pafra(m): 9:07am On Jul 19|
Your unit asking you for contributions 1500.
Is not a must you be in the department.
Go back and tell your pastor. Let's apply for funds for the children church.
I repeat no where in winners the local assembly undertakes a major project. Met your LCC. IT is a law the consequences is the pastor will be sacked
The Local assembly must get an approval from the head quarters. Approval comes with release of funds.
Do you do more than one offering in a service apart from Thanksgiving offering once in a month?
This donation for the children church, is it offering done separately from the main offering.?
Which branch of winners?
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