PerfectlyPerfect:

The F-35 has been in production for more than 10 years and so even if that's the first block it should show its stealth capabilities to the fullest but it failed woefully in that.
No air defence system is stationed alone, there's always accompanying systems included to enhance its abilities. Russia is developing the S-500 because the arms race never ends; if you develop a great system, it's only a matter of time before your adversaries find a way to bypass it.
The patriot is a great SAM and I know they're not in the same category, I used it to give an example to show how good the Americans are at promoting and hyping their systems while downplaying the system of other countries

Really? a system that failed woefully is in operation in 13 different countries. UAE are willing to kick out Huawei telecommunications infrastructure from their defense network just to get their hands on it. Russia has been developing their stealth aircraft (Su-57) for also a decade but still don't have any export same with the Chinese that they had to play the F-22 tape (not for export). Failed woefully, that's hilarious.
The Patriot system is not hyped, it has real life combat experience to show for its effectiveness something you can't say of the S-400. If the Patriot was just hype and vibes, I'm sure after the bombing of Saudi oil rig, the Crown would have purchased the S-400 when Putin personally offered but they rejected the offer. In case of Turkey, the reason the bought the S-400 was because America didn't want to sell them the Patriot because of some human right violation.
But sure the Patriot is hyped and the S-400 isn't.
Something you might want to know, you can see stealth aircraft using low frequency (x- band or something) but you can't get a lock on it in that frequency. But your radar to track it in that frequency will make your radar station beam like a Beacon that can be seen from the ISS. Taking it out becomes a walk in the park.
I'm not saying America don't hype their systems, every country does but calling a system that has been combat tested hyped and praising the one that has only been tested in a controlled environment is what I'm against.
I mean there's a live video of the S-400 failing to launch one of its missile and it blew up destroying the whole system. It will be stupid of anyone to see that video and underestimate the S-400 because of that.

engrchykae:
There ain't any enemies.
These people just create artificial enemies so that war business will boom

Agreed but remember if u can't match them in both development and propaganda u risk invasion

olugabbie:


Lol! All the existing missile defence systems are built to stop subsonic or supersonic missile. Not hypersonic missile. Russian S-500 is one of those missiles defence systems that can stop hypersonic missile. But the weapon is still work in progress. I am sure US has their own program in progress.

quick question: How is the S-500 built to stop a weapon you said is super maneuverable at hypersonic speed?

tishbite41:

When we talk about missile and space tech -Russia
Military aviation and marine - USA

space tech really?
Moon Landing
GPS
Spy satellite
Intergalactic research and exploration.

OneKinGuy:

They can invade NK if they want to but they know this will aggravate China. but don't get it twisted, Theg can also take on the Chinese. China themselves know they are no match militarily to the US, that's why they are using Economic & trade warfare against US.

There is a total of 22 active aircraft carrier in the world. US alone owns 11 of them, now do the maths.

Oga aircraft carrier against a world power is a sitting dock waiting to get sunk it is only useful against countries that can't fight back

emmygzy:
no dey cap bro. They can't invade shit. Only those small countries. They can't even invade small north Korea.

Let this mighty North Korea breed a terrorist ring and then carry out operation on US soil.
America backed South Korea gained more territory after the war than they had before but The US failed.
Israel gained more territory after a war than before, Israel win.
America backed Southern Vietnamese pushed their Northern counterparts all the way into Northern Vietnam, enter China with guerrilla tactics and push back the American backed Vietnamese that the border stayed exactly the same as the was before, but the US lost.
Russia tried to invade Afghanistan but lost, nobody is talking. America successfully invade Afghanistan, dethrone the Taliban government, pushed them to a confined small area. Decide to pull out after 20 years. But the US lost.
When it's other countries, any small shift is a win. When it's America, it's never a win no matter how glaring it is. Go figure

Kingsleyphy:


Oga aircraft carrier against a world power is a sitting dock waiting to get sunk it is only useful against countries that can't fight back

una dey funny for this Nairaland as in!... The Russia ship that fires the Zircon can't be taken out because it's mobile and at sea (a.k.a not a sitting duck). But an aircraft carrier that is mobile and at sea becomes a sitting duck once it's American. Go figure

maximunimpact:
Righteousness89 and MaxInDHouse food don land

Oya come and tell us about last days

that's not funny. The end is near bro, you better believe it

Kingsleyphy:


Oga aircraft carrier against a world power is a sitting dock waiting to get sunk it is only useful against countries that can't fight back

Do you even understand the importance of having aircraft carriers??

emae009:


una dey funny for this Nairaland as in!... The Russia ship that fires the Zircon can't be taken out because it's mobile and at sea (a.k.a not a sitting duck). But an aircraft carrier that is mobile and at sea becomes a sitting duck once it's American. Go figure

No mind the guy

emae009:


una dey funny for this Nairaland as in!... The Russia ship that fires the Zircon can't be taken out because it's mobile and at sea (a.k.a not a sitting duck). But an aircraft carrier that is mobile and at sea becomes a sitting duck once it's American. Go figure

The reason why it's called a sitting dock is simple once one is hit u are loosing at least 3k men to compare to other ships that might not have up to 100 personnel on it.

emae009:


quick question: How is the S-500 built to stop a weapon you said is super maneuverable at hypersonic speed?

The S-500 defence system is a Russian weapon. It has not been built. It is still work in progress. Russia claims that the weapon will be able to detect & track stealth fighter jets and neutralise both supersonic & hypersonic ballistic missile.

I don't think it can stop Zircon. Zircon is a cruise missile. Both S-400 & S-500 are not designed to stop cruise missile. Weapon like Panshir and Tor defence systems are designed to neutralise cruise missile (subsonic & supersonic cruise missile only).

Shoot down with what exactly @ mach7 speed? Keep deceiving yourself

OneKinGuy:
US has successfully tricked mother Russia to spend billions on a missile they know they can shoot down

OneKinGuy:
US has successfully tricked mother Russia to spend billions on a missile they know they can shoot down

Why do you guys enjoy deluding yourselves, USA that couldn't shoot down mere iranian messiles
Know this today USA is far behind Russia when it comes to hypersonic tech

emecheboy2:
Shoot down with what exactly @ mach7 speed? Keep deceiving yourself

NOETHNICITY:
Why do you guys enjoy deluding yourselves, USA that couldn't shoot down mere iranian messiles
Know this today USA is far behind Russia when it comes to hypersonic tech

If you guy's think the US doesn't have the technologies to counter whatever Russia currently has or even plans on doing, then you're all dreaming.

Former soviet union was a super power. Current Russia has a robost army yes, but they are no way a super power. The Russian economy had been declining over the years and instead up pumping money into the economy, they use it on weapons the US will definitely counter.

NOETHNICITY

Do u even know the full story around the Iran missile stuffs

olugabbie:


The S-500 defence system is a Russian weapon. It has not been built. It is still work in progress. Russia claims that the weapon will be able to detect & track stealth fighter jets and neutralise both supersonic & hypersonic ballistic missile.

I don't think it can stop Zircon. Zircon is a cruise missile. Both S-400 & S-500 are not designed to stop cruise missile. Weapon like Panshir and Tor defence systems are designed to neutralise cruise missile (subsonic & supersonic cruise missile only).

The S-500 that Russia has successfully tested this week and will be deploy by the end of the year or another S-500?

UncleHaba22:
Make USA and Russia or China play friendly match fes make we see

OneKinGuy:

Do u even know the full story around the Iran missile stuffs

Since you know that story better why not tell us

samwillyco1:
The fact remains that it's anti missiles and once bigger than it is already on the process , if not yet fully developed by Isreal, Japan and USA .
Russia is great but making too much noise like Trump and NIGERIAN politicians.

The noise is needed. These weapon are majorly for deterrence. Nobody is interested in war. The US is currently building its own hypersonic missile. It is in the news.

emmygzy:
even the obsolete rocket been fired into isreal is still landing despite the state of the art missile defence system isreal has. No missile defense system can stop missile 100 percent as of now especially cruise missile. Go and do research and that's why USA and RUSSIA can never go to war. Even India and China that has border dispute with soldiers one each side always killing each other never ordered their soldiers to use weapons . they only use sticks to fight each other. All in order to avoid full blown nuclear war.

Damn rude and ignorant, especially when you didn’t show any sort of mastery on the specific topic of discussion

Kingsleyphy:


The reason why it's called a sitting dock is simple once one is hit u are loosing at least 3k men to compare to other ships that might not have up to 100 personnel on it.

Go read about the aircraft carrier in a war scenario, they don't have airplanes sitting on the deck waiting to be fired upon. The destroyers and the frigates and the submarine(s) and even the aircraft carrier defense system, what do you think they are there for??
Aircraft carrier don't move alone, they move in a CSG formation. Breaking it's air defense it's not child's play. Once you fire on an aircraft carrier, the gloves are off. There will be counter strike. You guys always talk as if in a war scenario, America will just drive the Aircraft carrier, then you fire and they be looking at you and be watching film while partying while you keep firing.

olugabbie:


The solution is not only extending radar detection. You need a missile that is very fast too. So considering these features. The US needs another defence system. Stop a missile is like stop a bullet with another bullet.

So from what I understand, current defense systems can detect these hypersonic systems, but they have less time to take them out, which is both good and bad in different ways. At such speeds for instance, it’s difficult for the assailants to control and evade defense systems because the slightest change takes it hundreds or thousands of meters off target, think about moving your car at 600 km/hour, how well are you able to control the car against obstacles? Also, at that speed, they tend to lose their anti defense guide mechanisms, there are all sorts of issues despite the hype. There’s discussion about this technology being overhyped: https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/military/hypersonic-missiles-are-being-hyped

emae009:


Go read about the aircraft carrier in a war scenario, they don't have airplanes sitting on the deck waiting to be fired upon. The destroyers and the frigates and the submarine(s) and even the aircraft carrier defense system, what do you think they are there for??
Aircraft carrier don't move alone, they move in a CSG formation. Breaking it's air defense it's not child's play. Once you fire on an aircraft carrier, the gloves are off. There will be counter strike. You guys always talk as if in a war scenario, America will just drive the Aircraft carrier, then you fire and they be looking at you and be watching film while partying while you keep firing.

Nobody is downplaying America might here Oga. Aircraft carrier in full capacity have 5k personnel. Do u think other powers don't have submarines or stealth weapons to take out your carrier group or what. Craft carriers are good for projecting force and you can do that conveniently against a weak country.

Kingsleyphy:


Nobody is downplaying America might here Oga. Aircraft carrier in full capacity have 5k personnel. Do u think other powers don't have submarines or stealth weapons to take out your carrier group or what. Craft carriers are good for projecting force and you can do that conveniently against a weak country.

How do you make a stealth weapon? It's firing platform with light up as a Beacon once fired so your element of surprise is already gone.
The best submarine is owned by Sweden, it's so quiet it can sneak up on you. Guess who borrowed the submarine for testing and studying?....
The reason I said once you fired on an Aircraft carrier the gloves are off is that international law recognize the carrier as the country's territory. It's like firing on the Country's mainland itself and once you do that, a country like America will likely response with nuclear strike (Gloves off).

Your submarine cannot sneak up on a CSG without detection, the only country that did was Sweden. You now seeing the picture abi

socialmediaman:


So from what I understand, current defense systems can detect these hypersonic systems, but they have less time to take them out, which is both good and bad in different ways. At such speeds for instance, it’s difficult for the assailants to control and evade defense systems because the slightest change takes it hundreds or thousands of meters off target, think about moving your car at 600 km/hour, how well are you able to control the car against obstacles? Also, at that speed, they tend to lose their anti defense guide mechanisms, there are all sorts of issues despite the hype. There’s discussion about this technology being overhyped: https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/military/hypersonic-missiles-are-being-hyped

As in eh, Nairaland peeps don't do enough research. It's all comment and vibes.

emae009:


Long time bruvh!!!
S-200 was destroyed in Syria
S- was destroyed in the Armenian war

Who gave you this information

frankson1:





Who gave you this information

Yandex, Weibu is your friend because if I now say Google or Bing, you'd prolly say western propaganda

emae009:


Yandex, Weibu is your friend because if I now say Google or Bing, you'd prolly say western propaganda

I'll look it up. I think Russia didn't let them use it.

socialmediaman:


So from what I understand, current defense systems can detect these hypersonic systems, but they have less time to take them out, which is both good and bad in different ways. At such speeds for instance, it’s difficult for the assailants to control and evade defense systems because the slightest change takes it hundreds or thousands of meters off target, think about moving your car at 600 km/hour, how well are you able to control the car against obstacles? Also, at that speed, they tend to lose their anti defense guide mechanisms, there are all sorts of issues despite the hype. There’s discussion about this technology being overhyped: https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/military/hypersonic-missiles-are-being-hyped

Have you heard of BrahMos?

OneKinGuy:
US has successfully tricked mother Russia to spend billions on a missile they know they can shoot down

How ignorant, its called hypersonic for a reason you know, your fantasy about America fastens your unawareness

samwillyco1:
The fact remains that it's anti missiles and once bigger than it is already on the process , if not yet fully developed by Isreal, Japan and USA .
Russia is great but making too much noise like Trump and NIGERIAN politicians.

Ignorant lot,you have no idea how international relations work,its called a power play and it is what super power uses as a deterrent. All of them do the same thing especially those countries you mentioned