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Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by livingchrist: 11:05am On Aug 20, 2021
AntiChristian:


Muslims have thrashed these lies years ago!
how can you thrash facts!
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by AntiChristian: 11:08am On Aug 20, 2021
livingchrist:

Mohammed didnt but he had companions who wrote koran.
The companions of Muhammad wrote down what was revealed to him. As they do recite what was written to him. Can you tell us how the Bible was compiled, copied, preserved and transmitted for over 2000 years for the OT and about 2000 years for the NT?

Arabic bible is not my translation they chose to interpret God as Allah instead of elohim obviously so as not to offend muslims.

So in essence, they lied to appeal to the crowd just like you are doing now?

Same lies too are present in the Hausa Bible where they used Grape juice to represent wine because Hausas hate wine!
Jesus turned water to wine not grape Juice!

All liars shall enter hell o!
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by AntiChristian: 11:10am On Aug 20, 2021
livingchrist:
how can you thrash facts!

Facts or falsehood? I gave you Qur'an verses that Allah created the moon!

Your fact says Allah is a moon God!

Telling lies must be your hobby!
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by livingchrist: 11:17am On Aug 20, 2021
AntiChristian:
The companions of Muhammad wrote down what was revealed to him. As they do recite what was written to him. Can you tell us how the Bible was compiled, copied, preserved and transmitted for over 2000 years for the OT and about 2000 years for the NT?

So in essence, they lied to appeal to the crowd just like you are doing now?

Same lies too are present in the Hausa Bible where they used Grape juice to represent wine because Hausas hate wine!
Jesus turned water to wine not grape Juice!

All liars shall enter hell o!
The arabic bible followed the common belief of that Allah means God, grape juice was what wine was made of in the bible times.
History has that Allah is the name of one of the 360 gods of the arabic patheon.
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by livingchrist: 11:18am On Aug 20, 2021
AntiChristian:


Facts or falsehood? I gave you Qur'an verses that Allah created the moon!

Your fact says Allah is a moon God!

Telling lies must be your hobby!
I m speaking of historical evidence you are talking of a fabricated book by mohammed
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by AntiChristian: 11:24am On Aug 20, 2021
livingchrist:
I m speaking of historical evidence you are talking of a fabricated book by mohammed

Historical proof that are lies peddled by Christians?

What is the reference of your historical proof? Who authenticated it?
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by AntiChristian: 11:28am On Aug 20, 2021
livingchrist:
The arabic bible followed the common belief of that Allah means God, grape juice was what wine was made of in the bible times.
History has that Allah is the name of one of the 360 gods of the arabic patheon.


Who called "Patheon" Allah? How is it shaped? Who worshiped Patheon the greek god in Arabia?
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by haekymbahdx: 5:58am On Aug 21, 2021
livingchrist:


Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.



I am sure even you know that this cannot actually be true. It is normal that anti Islamic people would try to prove Allah false.

Even Jesus Christ was proved false because Jesus Christ never existed rather Yeshua Lamashciack was the one who existed. Jesus had been proven to be a Greek god yet you didn't beleive this.

Definitely if humans come with this claim that Allah was a pagan God it does not mean in anyway that it is true.


Ilah means god while Allah means The God

There is difference between lord (Adonai) and the LORD (Yahwe). The definite article the used has grammatical origin it is used by the Arabs. You cannot compare English with Arabic. In English you can distinguish God from god by changing the case of the letter "G" but does not mean the same rule will apply to the Arabic language.

For your information Christianity and Judaism had been in the Arab world even before Muhammad and had already been using the word "Allah" as God even before Muhammad. So why are you saying Muhammad forced Allah on them when they themselves used the word Allah as God in their Arabic bible did Muhammad forced them to do that.


Also, No that there was no idol by the name Allah at Khaaba. Illah- was a title which was not exclusive to any particular god. No god can respond to the name Allah except the creator because to the gods it was just a title but to the creator it means more that was why God revealed himself to Abraham as God Almighty because none of gods can respond to it because it is not their name and most importantly because there was only one God and the word illah was not an appropriate name for the idols they won't respond to it unless you mention their particular name.

Exodus 6
3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty , but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh] I did not make Myself known to them [in acts and great miracles].(A)

God appeared as God Almighty when he knew there were other gods he knew they won't respond to the name.



Now on your claims you said Allah was the chief idol at Khaaba and Allah was moon God.

The chief idol at Khaaba was said to be hubaal (Baal) in name also you said the moon God name was Sin. Are you insinuating that Allah was both Hubaal and Sin at the same time then you will all this you posted were just assumptions.


Concerning Baal didn't you know or have not heared that Prophet Muhammad destroyed all the idols at the Khaaba including hubaal's statue why will you now say Allah commanded Muhammad to destroy HUBAALS statue and yet they are the same God.

Allah SWT said:

"Do you call upon Ba'l and leave the best of creators -"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 125)

"Allah, your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers?"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 126)


Allah also went against the moon God by warning not to prostrate to the sun and moon but only Allah which means Allah cannot be the Moon God.

Allah SWT said:

"And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah, who created them, if it should be Him that you worship."
(QS. Fussilat 41: Verse 37)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Allah has told the world who he is whether they like it or not. It is even a challenge to the gods let's see if any god can respond to the name "Allah" because to them it is just a title but it more than a title to the creator himself.


Allah SWT said:

"This [Qur'an] is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded."
(QS. Ibrahim 14: Verse 52)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Jesus was a pagan Greek God. The character Jesus Christ never existed but Yeshua.

Jesus was coined from the world le[b]zeus[/b]
Zeus was a Greek god. What rights do christians have to change the name God sent an angel to tell his mother (Yeshua) to another (Jesus) and christians wants the world to beleive Jesus and Yeshua are the same.

In fact worshipping on Sunday, Christmas December 25, Easter (Ishtar) all this are pagan holidays. It is clear christians are not serving the Abrahamic God (Allah) but a Greek god.
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by livingchrist: 2:05pm On Aug 23, 2021
haekymbahdx:
I am sure even you know that this cannot actually be true. It is normal that anti Islamic people would try to prove Allah false.

Even Jesus Christ was proved false because Jesus Christ never existed rather Yeshua Lamashciack was the one who existed. Jesus had been proven to be a Greek god yet you didn't beleive this.

Definitely if humans come with this claim that Allah was a pagan God it does not mean in anyway that it is true.


Ilah means god while Allah means The God

There is difference between lord (Adonai) and the LORD (Yahwe). The definite article the used has grammatical origin it is used by the Arabs. You cannot compare English with Arabic. In English you can distinguish God from god by changing the case of the letter "G" but does not mean the same rule will apply to the Arabic language.

For your information Christianity and Judaism had been in the Arab world even before Muhammad and had already been using the word "Allah" as God even before Muhammad. So why are you saying Muhammad forced Allah on them when they themselves used the word Allah as God in their Arabic bible did Muhammad forced them to do that.


Also, No that there was no idol by the name Allah at Khaaba. Illah- was a title which was not exclusive to any particular god. No god can respond to the name Allah except the creator because to the gods it was just a title but to the creator it means more that was why God revealed himself to Abraham as God Almighty because none of gods can respond to it because it is not their name and most importantly because there was only one God and the word illah was not an appropriate name for the idols they won't respond to it unless you mention their particular name.

Exodus 6
3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty , but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh] I did not make Myself known to them [in acts and great miracles].(A)

God appeared as God Almighty when he knew there were other gods he knew they won't respond to the name.



Now on your claims you said Allah was the chief idol at Khaaba and Allah was moon God.

The chief idol at Khaaba was said to be hubaal (Baal) in name also you said the moon God name was Sin. Are you insinuating that Allah was both Hubaal and Sin at the same time then you will all this you posted were just assumptions.


Concerning Baal didn't you know or have not heared that Prophet Muhammad destroyed all the idols at the Khaaba including hubaal's statue why will you now say Allah commanded Muhammad to destroy HUBAALS statue and yet they are the same God.

Allah SWT said:

"Do you call upon Ba'l and leave the best of creators -"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 125)

"Allah, your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers?"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 126)


Allah also went against the moon God by warning not to prostrate to the sun and moon but only Allah which means Allah cannot be the Moon God.

Allah SWT said:

"And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah, who created them, if it should be Him that you worship."
(QS. Fussilat 41: Verse 37)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Allah has told the world who he is whether they like it or not. It is even a challenge to the gods let's see if any god can respond to the name "Allah" because to them it is just a title but it more than a title to the creator himself.


Allah SWT said:

"This [Qur'an] is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded."
(QS. Ibrahim 14: Verse 52)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Jesus was a pagan Greek God. The character Jesus Christ never existed but Yeshua.

Jesus was coined from the world le[b]zeus[/b]
Zeus was a Greek god. What rights do christians have to change the name God sent an angel to tell his mother (Yeshua) to another (Jesus) and christians wants the world to beleive Jesus and Yeshua are the same.

In fact worshipping on Sunday, Christmas December 25, Easter (Ishtar) all this are pagan holidays. It is clear christians are not serving the Abrahamic God (Allah) but a Greek god.

Yahweh is a personal name, Lord is a position of authority.
Allah is the name of a moon god, that is why muslims wait for the moon to celebrate his festival.
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by Lostchild(m): 3:46pm On Aug 23, 2021
livingchrist

Open a thread about the mystery or what is behind islam
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by haekymbahdx: 6:07pm On Aug 23, 2021
livingchrist:

Yahweh is a personal name, Lord is a position of authority.
Allah is the name of a moon god, that is why muslims wait for the moon to celebrate his festival.
Christians! Christians!! Christians!!! Why don't you people reason.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

Don't you people realize that Arab christians, Jews and Arabic bible has "Allah" as God. Also God in Aramaic is "Eloi". God revealed himself to Abraham as Almighty Eloi.

Definitely the God of Abraham is a Moon God according to you.

Illah, Allah, Eloi and Elohim kindly tell us the difference.


You said Allah is a Moon God do you know Jesus is the sun God.

Realize this there are several calenders in the world Gregorian, Hijrah, the Chinese have theirs e.t.c

Gregorian calendar which the christian use was derived based on studying the Sun.

Hijrah calender was derived based on studying the moon.

If Muslim worships Moon God then Christians worship the Sun God according to your logic which explains why Christians took Sunday as holiday instead of Saturday (Sabbath).


Mind you right before technology moon was studied to determine months not only the Arab do this colonization also played an impact on accepted calenders through out the world.

When you talk please just try to be reasonable and don't throw stones if you live in a Glass House that is what you christians do.


You haven't answered my question why did God revealed himself as God Almighty and not Yahwe. If Moses had not asked God to tell him a name would he have told him he was Yahwe



My answer

Exodus 6
3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty , but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh] I did not make Myself known to them [in acts and great miracles].(A)

God appeared as God Almighty when he knew there were other gods he knew they won't respond to the name.


Give me your answer?
Re: What Exactly Is Islam? And Who Are Muslims? by Steep: 2:00pm On Apr 04, 2022
livingchrist:



Islam is a religious system begun in the seventh century by Muhammad. Muslims follow the teachings of the Qur’an and strive to keep the Five Pillars.



The History of Islam
In the seventh century, Muhammad claimed the angel Gabriel visited him. During these angelic visitations, which continued for about 23 years until Muhammad’s death, the angel purportedly revealed to Muhammad the words of Allah (the Arabic word for “God” used by Muslims). These dictated revelations compose the Qur'an, Islam’s holy book. Islam means “submission,” deriving from a root word that means “peace.” The word Muslim means “one who submits to Allah.”

The Doctrine of Islam
Muslims summarize their doctrine in six articles of faith:
1. Belief in one Allah: Muslims believe Allah is one, eternal, creator, and sovereign.
2. Belief in the angels
3. Belief in the prophets: The prophets include the biblical prophets but end with Muhammad as Allah’s final prophet.
4. Belief in the revelations of Allah: Muslims accept certain portions of the Bible, such as the Torah and the Gospels. They believe the Qur'an is the preexistent, perfect word of Allah.
5. Belief in the last day of judgment and the hereafter: Everyone will be resurrected for judgment into either paradise or hell.
6. Belief in predestination: Muslims believe Allah has decreed everything that will happen. Muslims testify to Allah’s sovereignty with their frequent phrase, inshallah, meaning, “if God wills.”

The Five Pillars of Islam
These five tenets compose the framework of obedience for Muslims:
1. The testimony of faith (shahada): “la ilaha illa allah. Muhammad rasul Allah.” This means, “There is no deity but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.” A person can convert to Islam by stating this creed. The shahada shows that a Muslim believes in Allah alone as deity and believes that Muhammad reveals Allah.
2. Prayer (salat): Five ritual prayers must be performed every day.
3. Giving (zakat): This almsgiving is a certain percentage given once a year.
4. Fasting (sawm): Muslims fast during Ramadan in the ninth month of the Islamic calendar. They must not eat or drink from dawn until sunset.
5. Pilgrimage (hajj): If physically and financially possible, a Muslim must make the pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia at least once. The hajj is performed in the twelfth month of the Islamic calendar.

A Muslim’s entrance into paradise hinges on obedience to these Five Pillars. Still, Allah may reject them. Even Muhammad was not sure whether Allah would admit him to paradise (Surah 46:9; Hadith 5.266).

An Evaluation of Islam
Compared to Christianity, Islam has some similarities but significant differences. Like Christianity, Islam is monotheistic. However, Muslims reject the Trinity—that God has revealed Himself as one in three Persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Muslims claim that Jesus was one of the most important prophets—not God’s Son. Islam asserts that Jesus, though born of a virgin, was created like Adam. Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross. They do not understand why Allah would allow His prophet Isa (the Islamic word for "Jesus" ) to die a torturous death. Yet the Bible shows how the death of the perfect Son of God was essential to pay for the sins of the world (Isaiah 53:5-6; John 3:16; 14:6; 1 Peter 2:24).

Islam teaches that the Qur'an is the final authority and the last revelation of Allah. The Bible, however, was completed in the first century with the Book of Revelation. The Bible warns against anyone adding to or subtracting from God’s Word (Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:6; Galatians 1:6-12; Revelation 22:18). The Qur’an, as a claimed addition to God’s Word, directly disobeys God’s command.

Muslims believe that paradise can be earned through keeping the Five Pillars. The Bible, in contrast, reveals that sinful man can never measure up to the holy God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). Only by God’s grace may sinners be saved through repentant faith in Jesus (Acts 20:21; Ephesians 2:8-9).

Because of these essential differences and contradictions, Islam and Christianity cannot both be true. The Bible and Qur’an cannot both be God’s Word. The truth has eternal consequences.

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world” (1 John 4:1-4; see also John 3:35-36).

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