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Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by true2god: 9:04am On Aug 25, 2021
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent an expedition to Khath'am. Some people sought protection by having recourse to prostration, and were hastily killed. When the Prophet (ﷺ) heard that, he ordered half the blood-wit to be paid for them, saying: I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among polytheists. They asked: Why, Messenger of Allah? He said: Their fires should not be visible to one another.

Abu Dawud said: Hushaim, Ma'mar, Khalid b. al-Wasiti and a group of narrators have also narrated it, but did not mention Jarir.

حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادُ بْنُ السَّرِيِّ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، عَنْ قَيْسٍ، عَنْ جَرِيرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ بَعَثَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم سَرِيَّةً إِلَى خَثْعَمٍ فَاعْتَصَمَ نَاسٌ مِنْهُمْ بِالسُّجُودِ فَأَسْرَعَ فِيهِمُ الْقَتْلُ - قَالَ - فَبَلَغَ ذَلِكَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَأَمَرَ لَهُمْ بِنِصْفِ الْعَقْلِ وَقَالَ ‏"‏ أَنَا بَرِيءٌ مِنْ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يُقِيمُ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لِمَ قَالَ ‏"‏ لاَ تَرَاءَى نَارَاهُمَا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُدَ رَوَاهُ هُشَيْمٌ وَمُعْتَمِرٌ وَخَالِدٌ الْوَاسِطِيُّ وَجَمَاعَةٌ لَمْ يَذْكُرُوا جَرِيرًا ‏.‏
صحيح دون جملة العقل (الألباني) حكم :

Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 2645.

Are Muslims, according to the sunnah of the Islamic prophet, permitted to live in the land of the kuffar?
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 9:53am On Aug 25, 2021
They are running to UK, USA but they'll never run to their own Saudi Arabia, confuse people

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Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by Rashduct4luv(m): 12:04pm On Aug 26, 2021
true2god:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent an expedition to Khath'am. Some people sought protection by having recourse to prostration, and were hastily killed. When the Prophet (ﷺ) heard that, he ordered half the blood-wit to be paid for them, saying: I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among polytheists. They asked: Why, Messenger of Allah? He said: Their fires should not be visible to one another.

Abu Dawud said: Hushaim, Ma'mar, Khalid b. al-Wasiti and a group of narrators have also narrated it, but did not mention Jarir.

حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادُ بْنُ السَّرِيِّ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، عَنْ قَيْسٍ، عَنْ جَرِيرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ بَعَثَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم سَرِيَّةً إِلَى خَثْعَمٍ فَاعْتَصَمَ نَاسٌ مِنْهُمْ بِالسُّجُودِ فَأَسْرَعَ فِيهِمُ الْقَتْلُ - قَالَ - فَبَلَغَ ذَلِكَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَأَمَرَ لَهُمْ بِنِصْفِ الْعَقْلِ وَقَالَ ‏"‏ أَنَا بَرِيءٌ مِنْ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يُقِيمُ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لِمَ قَالَ ‏"‏ لاَ تَرَاءَى نَارَاهُمَا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُدَ رَوَاهُ هُشَيْمٌ وَمُعْتَمِرٌ وَخَالِدٌ الْوَاسِطِيُّ وَجَمَاعَةٌ لَمْ يَذْكُرُوا جَرِيرًا ‏.‏
صحيح دون جملة العقل (الألباني) حكم :

Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 2645.

Are Muslims, according to the sunnah of the Islamic prophet, permitted to live in the land of the kuffar?

Yes, if one's religious commitment is not harmed by staying among them.
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 12:08pm On Aug 26, 2021
RightChannel:
They are running to UK, USA but they'll never run to their own Saudi Arabia, confuse people

Why are Christian Doctors gunning for Saudi jobs and are no more afraid of Islamisation?

We can't all go to Saudi. Everyone has his own reason to go anywhere s/he wants!

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Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 12:45pm On Aug 26, 2021
AntiChristian:


Why are Christian Doctors gunning for Saudi jobs and are no more afraid of Islamisation?

We can't all go to Saudi. Everyone has his own reason to go anywhere s/he wants!


Is because you lack human power in Islam reason is that anything westerners is against Islam. So they need Western doctors to help them since CAMEL URINE is no more working..

NOTE: It was Saudi Arabia government that seeks for their help medically and NOT them running to Saudi Arabia for greenpasture

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Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 1:00pm On Aug 26, 2021
RightChannel:



Is because you lack human power in Islam reason is that anything westerners is against Islam. So they need Western doctors to help them since CAMEL URINE is no more working..

NOTE: It was Saudi Arabia government that seeks for their help medically and NOT them running to Saudi Arabia for greenpasture

So they will be working from Nigeria right and won't move to Saudi? It's only Buhari that can Islamise Saudi can't.

Saudi seeks their help and will still pay them right? How many people do you seek their help and still pay?

Abeg dey reason well before you type!
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by Rashduct4luv(m): 9:33am On Aug 27, 2021
The case of some of these Nigerian Christians dey ambiguous. When a Muslim practices his religion they call it extremism. But the rich who does not care much about the religion are the ones they think will Islamise Nigeria.

It's like there focus is only Islam. Any Muslim wants to Islamise. Now Saudi jobs, Christians dey apply for better offer not minding the same Islamisation they are chanting on Buhari and other Muslims.

Are Christians permitted to live in non-christian countries that they thought would Islamise them?

The wind had blown and the cloaca of the hen is exposed!
May Allah keep strengthening us in Islam. Aamin.

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Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 9:41am On Aug 27, 2021
This ones no get shame. They just type nonsense as usual.

Paul said in the 2nd letter to the Corinthians 6:14-16
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols?

1.So why are Christian doctors applying for Saudi Jobs?

2. Are they not afraid of Islamisation that you guys are promoting?

3. Or is the love of money greater than the love of Jesus?

Rightchannel, true2god
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by true2god: 10:30am On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:
This ones no get shame. They just type nonsense as usual.

Paul said in the 2nd letter to the Corinthians 6:14-16
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols?
Being unequally yoke with unbelievers doesn’t not mean you cannot share the same school, bathroom, country, etc with the unbeliever(s), What the text is saying is that you should not partake in their ungodly activities. You are misquoting the scriptures. Mohammed said Muslims should not live among the kuffar and that Muslims cannot guarantee the safety of Muslims among the kuffar. So the question is this: why are Muslims queuing for US, Canadian or UK visa instead of Iran, Saudi Arabia or even Sudanese visa?

AntiChristian:
1.So why are Christian doctors applying for Saudi Jobs?

2. Are they not afraid of Islamisation that you guys are promoting?

3. Or is the love of money greater than the love of Jesus?

Rightchannel, true2god
How do you know they Christians? Were you there to collect their bio-data? Stop saying what you don’t know in the name of trying to make a point.
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 11:08am On Aug 27, 2021
true2god:
Being unequally yoke with unbelievers doesn’t not mean you cannot share the same school, bathroom, country, etc with the unbeliever(s), What the text is saying is that you should not partake in their ungodly activities. You are misquoting the scriptures.

The comparison is clear. You can't hide it. Paul calls Christians light and unbelievers darkness. Stop trying to hide this simple English with words.
Who is Belial? If Saudi is Belial why would a Christian go there?

Mohammed said Muslims should not live among the kuffar and that Muslims cannot guarantee the safety of Muslims among the kuffar. So the question is this: why are Muslims queuing for US, Canadian or UK visa instead of Iran, Saudi Arabia or even Sudanese visa?

The settings of the hadith you are quoting even overshadows your claims. The Hadith is about Muslims living in a non-Muslim country where they are persecuted and not allowed to freely worship. When the Prophet was being persecuted in Mecca, he did Hijrah and moved to Medina where he established Islam.

How do you know they Christians? Were you there to collect their bio-data? Stop saying what you don’t know in the name of trying to make a point.

No they are all Muslims! Even if there is only one Christian there, why is s/he going to Saudi of all place and not afraid of Islamisation?
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 11:39am On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:


So they will be working from Nigeria right and won't move to Saudi? It's only Buhari that can Islamise Saudi can't.

Saudi seeks their help and will still pay them right? How many people do you seek their help and still pay?

Abeg dey reason well before you type!

Please make sure you reason well before replying my post..

Since CAMEL URINE not working, Saudi Arabia government seek for western doctors to help her Health sector, those doctors are not running after saudi, it is Saudi that's running after them..

Another example is how Saudi government entice Western footballers with huge amount of money to help her Sports sector.

Always reason well before replying my post.. CAMEL URINE has fails your people in Saudi Arabia
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 11:43am On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:
This ones no get shame. They just type nonsense as usual.

Paul said in the 2nd letter to the Corinthians 6:14-16
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols?

1.So why are Christian doctors applying for Saudi Jobs?

2. Are they not afraid of Islamisation that you guys are promoting?

3. Or is the love of money greater than the love of Jesus?

Rightchannel, true2god

Do you agree with the verse that Islam is darkness and wickedness? Because the founder of Islam is no where to be found when Apostle Paul wrote the verse
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 11:54am On Aug 27, 2021
RightChannel:


Do you agree with the verse that Islam is darkness and wickedness? Because the founder of Islam is no where to be found when Apostle Paul wrote the verse

The verse is talking about Christians and non-Christians

Which kind question be this? Did you see Islam in the verse?
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 11:57am On Aug 27, 2021
RightChannel:


Please make sure you reason well before replying my post..

Since CAMEL URINE not working, Saudi Arabia government seek for western doctors to help her Health sector, those doctors are not running after saudi, it is Saudi that's running after them..

Another example is how Saudi government entice Western footballers with huge amount of money to help her Sports sector.

Always reason well before replying my post.. CAMEL URINE has fails your people in Saudi Arabia

lipsrsealed Anyone seeing your response will know you have a low IQ.

The recruitment is not only for doctors but also other medical branches like hematology and co.

Get a brain!
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 12:10pm On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:


lipsrsealed Anyone seeing your response will know you have a low IQ.

The recruitment is not only for doctors but also other medical branches like hematology and co.

Get a brain!

Get a sense, I mentioned Health sector, didn't I? Are Hematologists not doctors?

Borrow sense when replying my post

CAMEL URINE has dissapointed them in Saudi Arabia

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Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 12:12pm On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:


The verse is talking about Christians and non-Christians

Which kind question be this? Did you see Islam in the verse?

Who are the non-Christians the verse is/are taking about?
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 12:14pm On Aug 27, 2021
Is like Muhammad died with senses Allah gave these our Muslim brothers and sisters

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Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:18pm On Aug 27, 2021
RightChannel:


Get a sense, I mentioned Health sector, didn't I? Are Hematologists not doctors?

Borrow sense when replying my post

CAMEL URINE has dissapointed them in Saudi Arabia

Yeepaaa AntiChristian don enter one chance again
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:22pm On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:


lipsrsealed Anyone seeing your response will know you have a low IQ.

The recruitment is not only for doctors but also other medical branches like hematology and co.

Get a brain!

Hematologists are not Doctors abi? See blunder

advocatejare Mikecold true2god Hendtime

Come and see something ooo
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 12:23pm On Aug 27, 2021
RightChannel:


Who are the non-Christians the verse is/are taking about?

Good News Translation
Do not try to work together as equals with unbelievers, for it cannot be done. How can right and wrong be partners? How can light and darkness live together?
How can Christ and the Devil agree? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
How can God's temple come to terms with pagan idols?

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Stop forming inappropriate relationships with unbelievers. Can right and wrong be partners? Can light have anything in common with darkness?
Can Christ agree with the devil? Can a believer share life with an unbeliever?
Can God's temple contain false gods?

International Standard Version
Stop becoming unevenly yoked with unbelievers. What partnership can righteousness have with lawlessness? What fellowship can light have with darkness?
What harmony exists between the Messiah and Beliar, or what do a believer and an unbeliever have in common?
What agreement can a temple of God make with idols?

Literal Standard Version
Do not become yoked with others—unbelievers, for what partaking [is there] to righteousness and lawlessness?
And what fellowship to light with darkness? And what concord to Christ with Belial? Or what part to a believer with an unbeliever?
And what agreement to the temple of God with idols?

Consult the Holy Spirit to Elucidate if you still don't understand!

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Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:23pm On Aug 27, 2021
RightChannel:
Is like Muhammad died with senses Allah gave these our Muslim brothers and sisters

cheesy Buhahahahaha

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Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 12:27pm On Aug 27, 2021
ANTIlSLAM:


Yeepaaa AntiChristian don enter one chance again

Sir, how do you cope with that guy?
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 12:28pm On Aug 27, 2021
ANTIlSLAM:


Hematologists are not Doctors abi? See blunder

advocatejare Mikecold true2god Hendtime

Come and see something ooo

My bad!

Doctor in this context means a person who is qualified to treat people who are ill.

While Hematology is the branch of medicine concerned with the study of the cause, prognosis, treatment, and prevention of diseases related to blood.

Hope the difference is clear and need no Holy Spirit to explain to a low IQ bloke.
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 12:29pm On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:


Good News Translation
Do not try to work together as equals with unbelievers, for it cannot be done. How can right and wrong be partners? How can light and darkness live together?
How can Christ and the Devil agree? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
How can God's temple come to terms with pagan idols?

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Stop forming inappropriate relationships with unbelievers. Can right and wrong be partners? Can light have anything in common with darkness?
Can Christ agree with the devil? Can a believer share life with an unbeliever?
Can God's temple contain false gods?

International Standard Version
Stop becoming unevenly yoked with unbelievers. What partnership can righteousness have with lawlessness? What fellowship can light have with darkness?
What harmony exists between the Messiah and Beliar, or what do a believer and an unbeliever have in common?
What agreement can a temple of God make with idols?

Literal Standard Version
Do not become yoked with others—unbelievers, for what partaking [is there] to righteousness and lawlessness?
And what fellowship to light with darkness? And what concord to Christ with Belial? Or what part to a believer with an unbeliever?
And what agreement to the temple of God with idols?

Consult the Holy Spirit to Elucidate if you still don't understand!




1.So why are Christian doctors applying for Saudi Jobs?

2. Are they not afraid of Islamisation that you guys are promoting?

3. Or is the love of money greater than the love of Jesus?

Consult muhammad or Allah to Elucidate and give you answer to these questions
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 12:30pm On Aug 27, 2021
RightChannel:
Is like Jesus was crucified with senses Yahweh gave these our Christian brothers and sisters
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by RightChannel: 12:34pm On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:


My bad!

Doctor in this context means a person who is qualified to treat people who are ill.

While Hematology is the branch of medicine concerned with the study of the cause, prognosis, treatment, and prevention of diseases related to blood.

Hope the difference is clear and need no Holy Spirit to explain to a low IQ bloke.

The recruitment is not only for doctors but also other medical branches like hematology and co.

The hematologist is a doctor with dual training, both clinical and laboratory, whose work may be carried out individually or in collaboration with other specialties.

Are Hematologists not doctors?


Just accept you made a mistake
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 12:50pm On Aug 27, 2021
RightChannel:


The recruitment is not only for doctors but also other medical branches like hematology and co.

The hematologist is a doctor with dual training, both clinical and laboratory, whose work may be carried out individually or in collaboration with other specialties.

Are Hematologists not doctors?


Just accept you made a mistake

My bad!
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by Hendtime: 1:05pm On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:


My bad!

Doctor in this context means a person who is qualified to treat people who are ill.

While Hematology is the branch of medicine concerned with the study of the cause, prognosis, treatment, and prevention of diseases related to blood.

Hope the difference is clear and need no Holy Spirit to explain to a low IQ bloke.

Low spoke jihadist like you, you're trying to correct your error just like y'all always try to correct the blunders of Allah the pervert and Muhammad the Arabian desert assassin and robber
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by Hendtime: 1:06pm On Aug 27, 2021
RightChannel:


The recruitment is not only for doctors but also other medical branches like hematology and co.

The hematologist is a doctor with dual training, both clinical and laboratory, whose work may be carried out individually or in collaboration with other specialties.

Are Hematologists not doctors?


Just accept you made a mistake

Don't mind the silly abdool
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 1:09pm On Aug 27, 2021
Hendtime:


Low spoke jihadist like you, you're trying to correct your error just like y'all always try to correct the blunders of Allah the pervert and Muhammad the Arabian desert assassin and robber

My bad!

But what is this that the holy Spirit guided you to type? It's like you smoke devil this afternoon?
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by Hendtime: 1:10pm On Aug 27, 2021
AntiChristian:


My bad!

But what is this that the holy Spirit guided you to type? It's like you smoke devil this afternoon?

The camel urine and water from the well of Buda'ah is disturbing your brain
Re: Is It Permissible For Muslims To Live In The Land Of The Kuffar? by AntiChristian: 1:15pm On Aug 27, 2021
Hendtime:


The camel urine and water from the well of Buda'ah is disturbing your brain

Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. Mat 16:17

Antichristian replies " Cursed are you, Hendtime son of................(fill in the gap) for this was not revealed to you by the father in heaven but by the despicable devil.

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