| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 10:58am On Sep 16, 2021 |
Fot the last time on my questions! Barristter07:
Don't be a fool, nobody is talking about whom God was talking to. And the fool who couldn't answer simple question is here spewing thrash. If nobody is talking about whom God was talking to, why can't you answer the simple question, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?  But the identity of the Image which humans and Jesus bear. Unquestionably belonged to the Father. This is the identity of the IMAGE again "Let US create mankind in OUR IMAGE and after OUR likeness"Which means the US & OUR have that single IMAGE Just as Husband and Wife can boldly say "OUR HOUSE, OUR CAR, OUR apartment e.t.c"You must rewrite your own Dictionary today since US & OUR isn't possessive pronounce anymore. Fraudster! Use your brain, Can he be given what he already possess? Remember to pick your brain from your hall, then you'll know it's about His earthly mission after He had GIVEN UP everything. Phil 2:6 That's to tell you he had none until Daniel 7:13,14 was fulfilled He had none yet, whatever belong to the Father belong to Him.... "Whatever are thine are mine and whatever are mine are thine" Can you see equal possession here? No wonder you're still turning your blind eyes to this but trust me, you can't get away with it. “I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWTWho are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah  Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and be brought CLOSE to Jehovah Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies. Let me answer since you decided to stoop this low. And Stephen died . Proving it true that no man can see God and live. Ole....Stephen didn't died because HE SAW GOD John 17:23 -
I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.
That day is while they are still in the world. If the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is in us, then the Father is in us as as well. Does that mean we saw the Father ? Lying liar! The Father is not in you. Ezekiel was called son of man and we know he is flesh and blood. Then u accept Stephen saw a Jesus with blood ?  OMOHHHHHHHHHH And Stephen saw THE SON OF MAN in heaven which is the Human Jesus. |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by livingchrist: 1:02pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
Barristter07:
That Fullness his disciples also possess. Read verse 10. So it wasn't about him having all the nature Jehovah possess. @ bolded, vs 10 said no such thing, Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: you are more confused than even confused jw.org said Jesus has the fulness of the quality of Godhood. See below "Then, at Colossians 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality." The above quote is from jw.org, what they said in summary is, they cannot deny that Jesus has the full nature of God but he is not the father, Isnt it what trinitarians are saying, that Jesus is fully God but not the father? Verse 7 answers that Jehovah stand out among his holy ones. Answer to verse 6 none The holy ones are Angels but Jesus is not an angel. |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:59pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
Man is
Body
Soul
Spirit
Your body is not your soul is not your spirit
And vice versa
But your body is the body of man and your spirit is the spirit of man so is your soul the soul of man
The three make you a man and the three stand as a man
That how Jesus and the Father is
Until JW understand this simple mystery you won't know how Jesus is God Almighty |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:32pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
Wahala dey! Wahala dey! |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 4:25pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
Emusan:
Fot the last time on my questions!
And the fool who couldn't answer simple question is here spewing thrash.
If nobody is talking about whom God was talking to, why can't you answer the simple question, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?
This is the identity of the IMAGE again
"Let US create mankind in OUR IMAGE and after OUR likeness"
Which means the US & OUR have that single IMAGE
Belonging to who ? Col 1:15 image OF the invisible God.
Just as Husband and Wife can boldly say "OUR HOUSE, OUR CAR, OUR apartment e.t.c"
You must rewrite your own Dictionary today since US & OUR isn't possessive pronounce anymore. Fraudster!
Unless a couple Co own a property, ONLY one person's name is listed as owner. Jesus and the Father didn't Co own persons , as evidenced by nobody is called Jesus sons.
Remember to pick your brain from your hall, then you'll know it's about His earthly mission after He had GIVEN UP everything. Phil 2:6
He had none yet, whatever belong to the Father belong to Him....
"Whatever are thine are mine and whatever are mine are thine" Can you see equal possession here?
How does this change the Fact that he was given all he had ?
No wonder you're still turning your blind eyes to this but trust me, you can't get away with it.
“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT
Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah
Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and be brought CLOSE to Jehovah
Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.
The same reason he had to be given everything he has in that same chapter.
Ole....Stephen didn't died because HE SAW GOD
No man see me and live, was God lying ? Did Stephen died ?
Lying liar!
The Father is not in you.
John 17:23 - The Father is in us as well, does that mean we see him ?
And Stephen saw THE SON OF MAN in heaven which is the Human Jesus.
The expression son of man was applied to Ezekiel too, showing they are creatures with flesh and blood. Do you accept this ? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 4:46pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
livingchrist:
@ bolded, vs 10 said no such thing,
Colossians 2:10 ] And ye are complete in him , which is the head of all principality and power:
you are more confused than even confused jw.org said Jesus has the fulness of the quality of Godhood.
See below
"Then, at Colossians 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality."
The above quote is from jw.org, what they said in summary is, they cannot deny that Jesus has the full nature of God but he is not the father, Isnt it what trinitarians are saying, that Jesus is fully God but not the father?
DONT Forget they share that same Divine nature and now it says they are complete in him, how are they complete if they don't possess Same fullness ?
The holy ones are Angels but Jesus is not an angel.
How quickly you forgot. " We believe and know that You are the Holy One of God .” John 6:69 Jesus is also God's holy one. Holy ones in psalm 89:6,7 are all God's sons, and none of them is like Jehovah 4 Likes |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by livingchrist: 7:44pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
Barristter07:
DONT Forget they share that same Divine nature and now it says they are complete in him, how are they complete if they don't possess Same fullness ? you are deluded, A drowning man holding on to straw. How quickly you forgot.
" We believe and know that You are the Holy One of God .” John 6:69
Jesus is also God's holy one.
Holy ones in psalm 89:6,7 are all God's sons, and none of them is like Jehovah Jesus is yaweh so not among the Holy ones spoken of in that verse, Just as Yaweh is not among the no one spoken of in revelation. Next 1 Like |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:04pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
Another claim of the Watchtower Society about their New World Translation (the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible) is that it is pure and consistent:
In presenting this translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures our confidence has been in the help of the great Author of The Book. Our primary desire has been to seek, not the approval of men, but that of God, by rendering the truth of his inspired Word as purely and as consistently as our consecrated powers make possible.(9)
But when we check the Greek word translated worship when used for Jesus, it is rendered obeisance, but worship at other times! As previously shown, we see an attack on the identity of the Lord. Where exactly did the New World Translation inconsistently translate the Greek word meaning worship?
In Mt. 2:11; 14:33; 28:9; 28:17 the Greek word is translated obeisance because it refers to the Lord Jesus, but when the same exact Greek word is used at Rev. 5:14; 7:11; 11:16; 19:4; 20:4 and Jn. 4:20 it is rendered worshiped because it doesn't refer to Jesus.
The same inconsistency is shown at Jn. 9:38 and Mk.5:6. It is translated obeisance when referring to Jesus, but worship at Heb. 11:21 when it doesn't refer to Jesus.
Moreover, the same Greek word is found at Mt. 2:2; Rev. 22:8 and Rev. 19:10. At Mt. 2:2, when Jesus is the recipient, obeisance is again used, but in the other two Scriptures, when the Lord is not the recipient, worship is found! Jesus was worshiped in Scripture by Christians, but the Jehovah's Witnesses aren't allowed to worship him!
JW before believe that Jesus should be worshiped 
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| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by FlatEarthGuy20(m): 10:47pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
Hismasterpiece:
When Jesus told His disciples to beware of the leaven of the pharisees he eas telling them to beware of the doctrine of the pharisees. Matthew 16:6-12.
Today i would like to warn you about certain doctrines of Jehovah's witnesses that are not scriptural.
Jehovah's Witnesses is a Christian denomination with beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity.
Jehovah's Witnesses are directed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses which establishes all doctrines based on its interpretations of the Bible.
They prefer to use their own Bible translation, the New World Translation. The New World Translation of the Bible is Jehovah's Witnesses own translation, no other religious group uses this Bible and Jehovah's Witnesses make very little use of other Bibles.
Various Bible scholars, including Bruce M. Metzger and MacLean Gilmour, have said that while scholarship is evident in New World Translation, its rendering of certain texts is inaccurate and biased in favor of Witness practices and doctrines. Critics of the group such as Edmund C. Gruss, and Christian writers such as Ray C. Stedman, Walter Martin, Norman Klann, and Anthony Hoekema state that the New World Translation exhibits scholastic dishonesty. Most criticism of the New World Translation relates to its rendering of the New Testament, particularly regarding the introduction of the name Jehovah and in passages related to the Trinity doctrine.
The organization has received criticism regarding biblical translation, doctrines, and alleged coercion of its members. The Watch Tower Society has made various unfulfilled predictions about major biblical events such as Christ's Second Coming, the advent of God's Kingdom, and Armageddon.
Jehovah's Witnesses have received criticism from mainstream Christianity, members of the medical community, former members and commentators regarding their beliefs and practices. The movement has been accused of doctrinal inconsistency and reversals, failed predictions, mistranslation of the Bible, harsh treatment of former members and autocratic and coercive leadership.
Criticism has also focused on their rejection of blood transfusions, particularly in life-threatening medical situations, and failing to report cases of sexual abuse to the authorities. Many of the claims are denied by Jehovah's Witnesses and some have also been disputed by courts and religious scholars.
Jehovah's Witnesses focus on God the Father, so their name is taken from the Tetragrammaton, written as YHWH or JHVH and articulated either as Yahweh or Jehovah.
Below are some of the false doctrines they peddle:
1. They deny the trinity. The Watch Tower says Jesus is a created being and the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force and not a person. This is not what the scriptures teach.
Jesus is God and was present with God at creation (Gen 1:1-2, Gen 1:26, John 1:1-2). He is the creator of the universe (John 1:3), (Col 1:16).
The Holy Spirit is God also. Even the early Christians believed so. When ananias and sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit Peter told them that they had not lied to men but to God (Act 5:3-4). The Holy Spirit was even present at the beginning of creation (Gen 1:2).
The Trinity is revealed from the very beginning of Scripture (Gen 1:26). When God said us who was He referring to? Obviously Jesus and The Holy Spirit. One portion of Scripture that clearly identifies each member of the Trinity separately is (Mat 3:16-17). Jesus was coming out of the water after being baptized, The Holy Spirit was coming upon Him, and the Father spoke.
Another portion of scripture that distinctly identifies all the members of the Trinity and their functions in the body is (1Co 12:4-6).
2. They deny the deity of Christ. This is clearly mapped out in scripture. People worshiped Jesus severally (Matt 2:11, Mat 8:2, Matt 14:33, Matt 15:25, Matt 28:9, Matt 28:17, Mark 5:6) and he never rejected worship and worship belongs to God and God alone (Mat 4:10) and the apostles, when they were worshiped rejected worship (Act 10:25-26, Act 14:11-15). Even Jesus Himself claimed God status (John 8:58). The Watch Tower teaches that Jesus was created “just as angels were spirit beings created by God…. The fact is that Jesus is not God and never claimed to be”.
3. The person-hood and deity of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah’s Witnesses liken the “holy spirit” to electricity – an impersonal, powerful, unseen force under the sovereign control of Jehovah. The Bible, however, clearly establishes the deity of the Holy Spirit as the third person of the triune Godhead. The Bible uses the words “Holy Spirit” and “God” interchangeably (Act 5:3-4). Jesus calls the Spirit “another Counselor,” (John 14:16) with the Greek word 'allos' meaning “another of the same kind.”
The Holy Spirit is a person and not a force. The scripture says that the Holy Spirit distributes spiritual gifts to each believer as He Wills. A force doesn't have a will does it? No. Only a person has a will and that is what the Holy Spirit is, a person.
4. Consciousness of the soul after death. The Watch Tower teaches “soul sleep” – that is, the soul rests in the grave with the body until the resurrection. JWs deny that people possess immortal souls.
This is contrary to what the scripture teaches. We are spirits who have souls and live in bodies (1 Thess 5:23). The body dies when the human spirit leaves it and goes to its eternal home (James 2:26). Jesus told the thief hanging alongside him, 'Today you will be with me in paradise'. (Luke 23:42-43).
For further information on this point please visit my previous post where i explain this in more detail https://www.nairaland.com/6711638/very-false-christian-belief-afterlife.
5. They deny everlasting punishment for unbelievers in hell and Heaven as the destination for all believers. Jehovah’s Witnesses teach the annihilation of the wicked in hell. However, the Bible says hell is a place of everlasting conscious existence, where unbelievers are forever separated from God (Luke 16:18-31), (Mat 13:24-30).
John the baptist gives a parable in which he describes heaven and hell in (Mat 3:12). The winnowing fan in this context refers to judgement, the threshing floor is the earth, the wheat who are gathered into His barn are the believers and the chaff that will be burned up with unquenchable fire are the unbelievers.
Heb 9:27 teaches that after a man dies he is immediately judged and sentenced to where he will be for eternity (heaven or hell).
The Watch Tower teaches two classes of redeemed people: the “little flock” of 144,000 in heaven, and the “other sheep” who, if worthy, abide forever on a restored earth.
The Bible teaches that all believers have God’s promise of a home in heaven (John 14:2-3, 2 Cor 5:1-8, Phil 1:21-24) . We go there instantly upon physical death.
Now you know the truth and will be able to identify heresy when it is presented to you.
PLEASE, PLEASE AND PLEASE BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN (DOCTRINE) OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are established by the Governing Body. The denomination does not tolerate dissent over doctrines and practices. Members who openly disagree with the group's teachings are expelled and shunned.
Witness publications strongly discourage followers from questioning doctrine and counsel received from the Governing Body, reasoning that it is to be trusted as part of "God's organization".
It also warns members to "avoid independent thinking", claiming such thinking "was introduced by Satan the Devil" and would "cause division". Those who openly disagree with official teachings are condemned as "apostates" who are "mentally diseased".
BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN (DOCTRINE) OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!!! 
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| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by FlatEarthGuy20(m): 10:49pm On Sep 16, 2021 |
Emusan:
Fot the last time on my questions!
And the fool who couldn't answer simple question is here spewing thrash.
If nobody is talking about whom God was talking to, why can't you answer the simple question, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?
This is the identity of the IMAGE again
"Let US create mankind in OUR IMAGE and after OUR likeness"
Which means the US & OUR have that single IMAGE
Just as Husband and Wife can boldly say "OUR HOUSE, OUR CAR, OUR apartment e.t.c"
You must rewrite your own Dictionary today since US & OUR isn't possessive pronounce anymore. Fraudster!
Remember to pick your brain from your hall, then you'll know it's about His earthly mission after He had GIVEN UP everything. Phil 2:6
He had none yet, whatever belong to the Father belong to Him....
"Whatever are thine are mine and whatever are mine are thine" Can you see equal possession here?
No wonder you're still turning your blind eyes to this but trust me, you can't get away with it.
“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT
Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah
Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and be brought CLOSE to Jehovah
Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.
Ole....Stephen didn't died because HE SAW GOD
Lying liar!
The Father is not in you.
And Stephen saw THE SON OF MAN in heaven which is the Human Jesus. 
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| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 5:58am On Sep 17, 2021 |
livingchrist:
you are deluded, A drowning man holding on to straw.
It clearly said they are made Complete/Full in Jesus , Explain how they are complete ?
Jesus is yaweh so not among the Holy ones spoken of in that verse, Just as Yaweh is not among the no one spoken of in revelation. Next
Read what you wrote and judge yourself, Who is the drowning man ? John 6:69 said Jesus is an Holy one of God, his holy ones. Psalm 89:6,7 said God is held in awe among his holy ones. Proving it clearly that no son of God is in the category of Jehovah. |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by livingchrist: 6:18am On Sep 17, 2021 |
Barristter07:
It clearly said they are made Complete/Full in Jesus , Explain how they are complete ?
Read what you wrote and judge yourself, Who is the drowning man ?
John 6:69 said Jesus is an Holy one of God, his holy ones.
Psalm 89:6,7 said God is held in awe among his holy ones.
Proving it clearly that no son of God is in the category of Jehovah. God is in heaven, Eccelesiates 5vv2. Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. Therefore, proving it clearly that God cannot open the book according to barrister. |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 6:37am On Sep 17, 2021 |
livingchrist:
God is in heaven,
Eccelesiates 5vv2.
Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Therefore, proving it clearly that God cannot open the book according 6o barrister.
A student reported to you " The French teacher wrote some words on the board in French but nobody in the class could read it " So your little brain would include the teacher ? Seriously pathetic Let it sink that God is not in the category of his sons/holy ones. Psalm 89:6,7 |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 6:44am On Sep 17, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:
Another claim of the Watchtower Society about their New World Translation (the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible) is that it is pure and consistent:
In presenting this translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures our confidence has been in the help of the great Author of The Book. Our primary desire has been to seek, not the approval of men, but that of God, by rendering the truth of his inspired Word as purely and as consistently as our consecrated powers make possible.(9)
But when we check the Greek word translated worship when used for Jesus, it is rendered obeisance, but worship at other times! As previously shown, we see an attack on the identity of the Lord. Where exactly did the New World Translation inconsistently translate the Greek word meaning worship?
In Mt. 2:11; 14:33; 28:9; 28:17 the Greek word is translated obeisance because it refers to the Lord Jesus, but when the same exact Greek word is used at Rev. 5:14; 7:11; 11:16; 19:4; 20:4 and Jn. 4:20 it is rendered worshiped because it doesn't refer to Jesus.
The same inconsistency is shown at Jn. 9:38 and Mk.5:6. It is translated obeisance when referring to Jesus, but worship at Heb. 11:21 when it doesn't refer to Jesus.
Moreover, the same Greek word is found at Mt. 2:2; Rev. 22:8 and Rev. 19:10. At Mt. 2:2, when Jesus is the recipient, obeisance is again used, but in the other two Scriptures, when the Lord is not the recipient, worship is found! Jesus was worshiped in Scripture by Christians, but the Jehovah's Witnesses aren't allowed to worship him!
JW before believe that Jesus should be worshiped True worshippers will worship the Father. John 4:23. That's how a correct translation should do it. Are you aware some translation even make Daniel and David receive worship ? If you disqualify this one's as wrong, the same logic apply to Jesus. |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by KNOWMORE56: 7:02am On Sep 17, 2021 |
Emusan:
Fot the last time on my questions!
And the fool who couldn't answer simple question is here spewing thrash.
If nobody is talking about whom God was talking to, why can't you answer the simple question, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?
This is the identity of the IMAGE again
"Let US create mankind in OUR IMAGE and after OUR likeness"
Which means the US & OUR have that single IMAGE
Just as Husband and Wife can boldly say "OUR HOUSE, OUR CAR, OUR apartment e.t.c"
You must rewrite your own Dictionary today since US & OUR isn't possessive pronounce anymore. Fraudster!
Remember to pick your brain from your hall, then you'll know it's about His earthly mission after He had GIVEN UP everything. Phil 2:6
He had none yet, whatever belong to the Father belong to Him....
"Whatever are thine are mine and whatever are mine are thine" Can you see equal possession here?
No wonder you're still turning your blind eyes to this but trust me, you can't get away with it.
“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT
Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah
Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and be brought CLOSE to Jehovah
Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.
Ole....Stephen didn't died because HE SAW GOD
Lying liar!
The Father is not in you.
And Stephen saw THE SON OF MAN in heaven which is the Human Jesus. "...Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah
Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and be brought CLOSE to Jehovah..." You are really tormenting these guys... |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by livingchrist: 7:07am On Sep 17, 2021 |
Barristter07:
A student reported to you " The French teacher wrote some words on the board in French but nobody in the class could read it "
So your little brain would include the teacher ?
Seriously pathetic
Let it sink that God is not in the category of his sons/holy ones. Psalm 89:6,7 Good, As God is not in the categories of the "no one in heaven in revelation 5" even though God is in heaven, so also Jesus is not in the category of the holy ones in psalm 89:6,7 even though he is called the holy one of God one earth. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Bishopkingsley(m): 8:24am On Sep 17, 2021 |
JW teaches rightly that God’s name is Jehovah and should be worshiped , but they teach wrongly that Jesus is not Jehovah and they say he should not be worshiped that he is , not God.
Thus, they do not witness to the true Jehovah, the great Three-in-One described in Scripture, but rather to a Jehovah constructed from a misunderstanding of the Bible and from their own thinking. Their New World “Translation” changes key verses showing Jesus is Jehovah, one with the Father.
Let look at the dishonesty of this mistranslation in the new world translation and the difficulty of trying to speak about the Lord Jesus to someone in this seven men organization JW because of it.
But we also saw that even their “version” shows Jesus as THE one true Shepherd, the owner of the sheep — and also shows Jehovah as the true Shepherd, thus demonstrating that Jesus is Jehovah.
In part two we looked at Psalm 110 in the New World “Translation,” which says that Jesus, on the throne with the Father, is “at the right hand” but in verse five names the One at the right hand as Jehovah. Thus, Jesus is clearly named as Jehovah, just as the Father is.
Psalm 110
4 Jehovah has sworn an oath, and he will not change his mind:*
“You are a priest forever+
In the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek!”+
5 Jehovah will be at your right hand;+
He will crush kings on the day of his anger.+
Another new world translation showing Jesus is Jehovah below
Matthew 28:19 (New World “Translation”)
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
This is quite simple. This instruction to baptise is accurately translated by the “Jehovah’s Witnesses” (though they wrongly dishonour the Holy Spirit by using lower-case).
The verse does not say to baptise in the “names” but the “Name.” It directly links that Name to each of three Beings with the words “of the.” “Of the Son” and “of the Holy Spirit” can refer only to that same “Name.” Jesus could have said “names” but He didn’t — “name” is singular, which tells us the Three all have the same Name.
Any “Jehovah’s Witness” can tell you — the Father’s Name is Jehovah, and Jesus makes clear that His Name is also Jehovah (as is the Spirit’s). When born, He was given another Name, Jesus (as Saviour), and He was also called Lord, Christ, and Immanuel. But His name before birth, through all eternity, always was and remains Jehovah.
Side note: The reference to only one name in this passage helps explain why there is no contradiction with Acts 2:38 and 19:5, where baptism is in the name of Jesus. When we baptise in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) we baptise in a single name. To baptise in the name of the Three is to baptise in the name of One of the Three, as well. Thus there is no contradiction between a passage that says to baptise in the name of all Three and a passage that says to baptise in the name of One of the Three.
The “Jehovah’s Witnesses” have no explanation for the difference between Matthew and Acts, but the fact that Father, Son, and Spirit are One and bear the same Name removes any confusion. 1 Like |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:07am On Sep 17, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:
JW teaches rightly that God’s name is Jehovah and should be worshiped , but they teach wrongly that Jesus is not Jehovah and they say he should not be worshiped that he is , not God.
Thus, they do not witness to the true Jehovah, the great Three-in-One described in Scripture, but rather to a Jehovah constructed from a misunderstanding of the Bible and from their own thinking. Their New World “Translation” changes key verses showing Jesus is Jehovah, one with the Father.
Let look at the dishonesty of this mistranslation in the new world translation and the difficulty of trying to speak about the Lord Jesus to someone in this seven men organization JW because of it.
But we also saw that even their “version” shows Jesus as THE one true Shepherd, the owner of the sheep — and also shows Jehovah as the true Shepherd, thus demonstrating that Jesus is Jehovah.
In part two we looked at Psalm 110 in the New World “Translation,” which says that Jesus, on the throne with the Father, is “at the right hand” but in verse five names the One at the right hand as Jehovah. Thus, Jesus is clearly named as Jehovah, just as the Father is.
Psalm 110
4 Jehovah has sworn an oath, and he will not change his mind:*
“You are a priest forever+
In the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek!”+
5 Jehovah will be at your right hand;+
He will crush kings on the day of his anger.+
Another new world translation showing Jesus is Jehovah below
Matthew 28:19 (New World “Translation”)
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
This is quite simple. This instruction to baptise is accurately translated by the “Jehovah’s Witnesses” (though they wrongly dishonour the Holy Spirit by using lower-case).
The verse does not say to baptise in the “names” but the “Name.” It directly links that Name to each of three Beings with the words “of the.” “Of the Son” and “of the Holy Spirit” can refer only to that same “Name.” Jesus could have said “names” but He didn’t — “name” is singular, which tells us the Three all have the same Name.
Any “Jehovah’s Witness” can tell you — the Father’s Name is Jehovah, and Jesus makes clear that His Name is also Jehovah (as is the Spirit’s). When born, He was given another Name, Jesus (as Saviour), and He was also called Lord, Christ, and Immanuel. But His name before birth, through all eternity, always was and remains Jehovah.
Side note: The reference to only one name in this passage helps explain why there is no contradiction with Acts 2:38 and 19:5, where baptism is in the name of Jesus. When we baptise in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) we baptise in a single name. To baptise in the name of the Three is to baptise in the name of One of the Three, as well. Thus there is no contradiction between a passage that says to baptise in the name of all Three and a passage that says to baptise in the name of One of the Three.
The “Jehovah’s Witnesses” have no explanation for the difference between Matthew and Acts, but the fact that Father, Son, and Spirit are One and bear the same Name removes any confusion. MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you're saying Jehovah is your God. Right?
If so then we have no issues with you since you acknowledge JEHOVAH as God {Mark 12:29} and do you also acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God? Matthew 16:13-19
If you do then we are on the same page! 
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| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:30am On Sep 17, 2021 |
KNOWMORE56:
"...Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah
Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and be brought CLOSE to Jehovah..."
You are really tormenting these guys... You're the one tormenting yourselves! Because what you quoted is WRITTEN in black and white in your Bible. So if you can't explain or Interpret it then you are not one of the taught ones! Archangel Michael has been in heaven right from the beginning until JEHOVAH transformed him into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin. So throughout his life on earth he was the son of man who is standing for the salvation of the entire human race {Daniel 12:1-3} now on his return to the heavens he is gaining access to the most holy place in heaven with his own blood {Hebrews 9:12} with which he has brought all faithful people from slavery to sin and death! Romans 5:12 company to 7:25 The expression means Adam's descendants can be restored back to perfection because from the standpoint of all the heavenly host mankind is doom due to Adamic sin {Romans 3:23} but with the blood Jesus shed on the torture stake all the heavenly host are glad and there is great rejoicing in the heavens as the loyal sons of God in heaven now escort Jesus with the price to redeem mankind in his hands as he approach God's throne. So Jesus has paid the price now we are eagerly anticipating our coming Kingdom! Daniel 7:22 compare to Matthew 6:10 That's the meaning of what you quoted. May you have PEACE! |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:08pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Several differences between the NWT and legitimate translations include the following: The NWT has the Greek term word “staurós” (“cross”) as “torture stake”.
It leaves out the words “sheol,” “hades,” “gehenna,” and “tartarus”, where other translations translate some, or all, of these as “hell” (JW’s do not believe in hell).
The NWT uses “presence” as for the Greek “Parousia” instead of “coming” (JW’s believe that Christ returned in the early 1900’s). In contrast with the translators’ stated goals, these differences clearly represent “sectarian religious coloration.”
These might be laughable except that the NWT goes much farther with its mistranslation than this. The most important of these is how God is treated.
The Divine Name
The most noticeable change in the Watchtower Bible, and one they cite as proving its superiority, is the insertion of the name “Jehovah” over 200 times in the New Testament.
This word is allegedly a transliteration of the Hebrew tetragrammaton YHWH– although it does not appear in any Greek manuscripts. They claim that this “restoration” of the divine name (i.e., “Jehovah”) is required to worship God in truth (although Hebrew has no letters that would transliterate to a “J”!).
They fail to see God has many different names in the Bible and revelation shows God has a name which no one knows, and God has a new name we will call him in the world to come. |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Hismasterpiece(m): 2:30pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
[quote author=FlatEarthGuy20 post=105890442][/quote]
what are you posting? catholics don't represent the entire body of christ, and mind you, they are a deviation from historically true christianity.
also, christianity didn't originate in rome it originated in jerusalem and islam didn't originate in rome either. |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Janosky: 1:10am On Sep 18, 2021 |
KNOWMORE56:
"...Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah
Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and be brought CLOSE to Jehovah..."
[s]You are really tormenting these guys... ;[/s]D In Daniel 7:13-14, who are "THEY"?
Why would Jesus be brought close to JEHOVAH when KNOWMORE56 & Emusan been saying Jesus is Jehovah?
Bros, Do you really understand that you have ridiculed your Trinity GIBBERISH?
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| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:01am On Sep 18, 2021 |
Janosky:
In Daniel 7:13-14, who are "THEY"?
Why would Jesus be brought close to JEHOVAH when KNOWMORE56 & Emusan been saying Jesus is Jehovah?
Bros, Do you really understand that you have ridiculed your Trinity GIBBERISH?
There is no need to be contentious over this, if Jesus is the same person as Jehovah then we need an explanation on the quoted verse but if there is no one who can explain other than their usual "you can't understand because you don't have holy ghost" then let holy ghost teach everybody. There's no need for them to go PREACHING and TEACHING {Matthew 28:19-20} since they can't explain to convince an interested person. So it's as simple as that! 1 Like |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Bishopkingsley(m): 8:01am On Sep 18, 2021 |
We have been telling you how you can understand this things but you refused to listen to the bible
Bible shows man is made up of three dimensions
Body
Soul
Spirit
Your body is a man
Your soul is a man
Your spirit is a man
If you still combine them you get the same man that you are
God already exists as
The Father
The son
The holy spirit
Each is God Almighty
If you put all together you still get God Almighty
This mystery is what Jesus actually came to reveal to us
And it confused the devil because the devil Bible say knows God is one being doing different work just like he created man in three dimensions
Until you understand how you are three in one before you can understand how God own is |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by KNOWMORE56: 3:23pm On Sep 19, 2021 |
Janosky:
In Daniel 7:13-14, who are "THEY"?
Why would Jesus be brought close to JEHOVAH when KNOWMORE56 & Emusan been saying Jesus is Jehovah?
Bros, Do you really understand that you have ridiculed your Trinity GIBBERISH?
By the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, emusan have being giving you good ( Biblical) explanation in regards to Daniel 7:13 KJV:I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him." The place clearly described Him as SON OF MAN. He was seen as human being... You guys said He's the mouth piece of God... So this is how your MOUTH PIECE OF GOD is always been brought to the Father? What I'm saying is that even if He is an angel ( a high ranking angel) as you people claim, does He have to be brought before He'll be sent for an errand? |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by KNOWMORE56: 3:57pm On Sep 19, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:
There is no need to be contentious over this, if Jesus is the same person as Jehovah then we need an explanation on the quoted verse but if there is no one who can explain other than their usual "you can't understand because you don't have holy ghost" then let holy ghost teach everybody. There's no need for them to go PREACHING and TEACHING {Matthew 28:19-20} since they can't explain to convince an interested person.
So it's as simple as that! Jesus was seen as the son of man (i.e human being) in that vision... He has at this time off loaded His divinity...He was seen in His office as Servant ( not in His office as God Almighty) *. Daniel 7 :13 "KJV: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him." *. Philippians 2:7 "KJV:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant , and was made in the likeness of men " @ color, He was made /created/ formed as a human being ( not as God Almighty)... As God Almighty, Jesus is not made/created... Your brother, barristter07, have argued with emusan... stressing the word AS/LIKE... Now, Jesus called Himself THE SON OF MAN. And Daniel said he saw somebody like THE SON OF MAN... are you saying that the person seen in Daniel vision is not Jesus (the Son of man), he is only LIKE Jesus? *. Matthew 8:20 "KJV:And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. *. Matthew 9:6 "KJV:But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house." 1 Like |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Singlenhappy(f): 4:23pm On Sep 19, 2021 |
Hismasterpiece:
That's exactly what I wrote. They don't believe in an eternal punishment. They believe that the unbelievers will be annihilated on the final day after they are resurrected. Read again before you rush to comment. bro don't worry yourself the good thing about it all is that we shall all leave the face of this Earth one day so whether they will sleep foreveror in the (sheol,gehenar) or not they, they shall know better. But it important you preached the real Christ to them, it's only for a witness not for anyone to believe forcefully Mathew 24:14. At least that will stand against any of them that read it! Keep it up you are doing a great job. |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:23pm On Sep 19, 2021 |
John was baptizing Jesus when the Almighty God spoke from heaven saying: "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” Matthew 3:17Peter, James and John were with Jesus when the Almighty God spoke from heaven saying: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5Jesus talked to his Father in the presence of everyone around and the Almighty God replied saying: “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.” John 12:28Jesus was dying and crying to someone for help saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46Paul said Jesus cried unto someone who can save him, and he was favorably heard because he feared God! Hebrews 5:7 So Jesus is not the Almighty God! KNOWMORE56:
Jesus was seen as the son of man (i.e human being) in that vision...
He has at this time off loaded His divinity...He was seen in His office as Servant ( not in His office as God Almighty)
*. Daniel 7 :13 "KJV: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him."
*. Philippians 2:7 "KJV:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant , and was made in the likeness of men "
@ color, He was made /created/ formed as a human being ( not as God Almighty)...
As God Almighty, Jesus is not made/created...
Your brother, barristter07, have argued with emusan... stressing the word AS/LIKE...
Now, Jesus called Himself THE SON OF MAN. And Daniel said he saw somebody like THE SON OF MAN...
are you saying that the person seen in Daniel vision is not Jesus (the Son of man), he is only LIKE Jesus?
*. Matthew 8:20 "KJV:And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
*. Matthew 9:6 "KJV:But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house." 1 Like |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 2:51pm On Sep 20, 2021 |
KNOWMORE56:
Jesus was seen as the son of man (i.e human being) in that vision...
He has at this time off loaded His divinity...He was seen in His office as Servant ( not in His office as God Almighty)
*. Daniel 7 :13 "KJV: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him."
*. Philippians 2:7 "KJV:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant , and was made in the likeness of men "
@ color, He was made /created/ formed as a human being ( not as God Almighty)...
As God Almighty, Jesus is not made/created...
Your brother, barristter07, have argued with emusan... stressing the word AS/LIKE...
Now, Jesus called Himself THE SON OF MAN. And Daniel said he saw somebody like THE SON OF MAN...
are you saying that the person seen in Daniel vision is not Jesus (the Son of man), he is only LIKE Jesus?
*. Matthew 8:20 "KJV:And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
*. Matthew 9:6 "KJV:But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house." Son of man is a term applying to Human beings whose life reside in the blood. Ezekiel was called that name too, he was human with blood, when Jesus was on Earth he bear that name as human with blood. The problem is Some of you want to say Jesus is still son of man but you also don't want him to have blood. Totally unbiblical. Your claim would have made sense if you admitted he still have blood in heaven. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by KNOWMORE56: 4:35pm On Sep 20, 2021 |
Barristter07:
Son of man is a term applying to Human beings whose life reside in the blood. Ezekiel was called that name too, he was human with blood, when Jesus was on Earth he bear that name as human with blood.
The problem is Some of you want to say Jesus is still son of man but you also don't want him to have blood. Totally unbiblical. Check the records in the book of Daniel... not me or anyone else. The writer said he saw one like the son of man... Weather the son of man had blood in his flesh o, he did not say... weather the son of man was in Heaven at the time of the visions o, I don't know... But I know from the Word that God looks like human in appearance... that's one of the application that He created us in His image... The Bible reveals God has a human shape! It's your organization that is putting you in this confusion about "flesh and blood" Now, flesh and blood is a phrase describing human being just as son of man refers to human being... yet when we say son of God means God, you begin to find fault! Ok, your organization have held on to the phrase FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD... their interpretation of this statement is very wrong! They take this to mean HUMAN BEING CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD, wrong. Very wrong! *. Daniel 7 :13 "KJV: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him." |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Hismasterpiece(m): 9:05pm On Sep 20, 2021 |
Singlenhappy:
bro don't worry yourself the good thing about it all is that we shall all leave the face of this Earth one day so whether they will sleep foreveror in the (sheol,gehenar) or not they, they shall know better. But it important you preached the real Christ to them, it's only for a witness not for anyone to believe forcefully Mathew 24:14. At least that will stand against any of them that read it! Keep it up you are doing a great job. Gracias |
| Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by madegreatbygrace(m): 11:08pm On Sep 20, 2021 |
quote author=Barristter07 post=106003227]
Son of man is a term applying to Human beings whose life reside in the blood. Ezekiel was called that name too, he was human with blood, when Jesus was on Earth he bear that name as human with blood.
The problem is Some of you want to say Jesus is still son of man but you also don't want him to have blood. Totally unbiblical.
Your claim would have made sense if you admitted he still have blood in heaven.
Was Ezekiel referred to as son of man or the son of man? |
