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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 5:16am On Sep 13
OfoIgbo:


The sultan of Sokoto also speaks Hausa, but the point is that when a new sultan is to be turbaned, they go looking for a proper FULANI prince.

The same goes on in Ilorin, they speak Yoruba, possibly even adopt Yoruba tribal marks, but when it comes to crowning a new Oba of Ilorin, they reject it, and only go for crowning a FULANI as the EMIR of Ilorin.

Your blindness is not allowing you to see that Yorubas are Fulani slaves in Ilorin.

The Emir of Ilorin is a Yoruba man, what the Yorubas in Ilorin has done is to adopt and accept Islamic religion and they even translated the Quran into the Yoruba version called Larubawa. Ilorin is 100% in the hands of Yoruba Muslims.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 5:24am On Sep 13
Techguy96:

Lol, u are not aware of the crisis that happened between both tribes, guy go n make enquires stop displaying ur ignorance on nairaland
Do you see how Ilaje dealt with them, that is only the Ilajes o, do you think if other Yorubas get involved they will survive it? The Apoi and Arugbo understand and they are living with the Ilajes and others peacefully in Ondo state and are even acclimatization to being Yoruba people like Sowore Omoyele are from Ijaw ancestry.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by OfoIgbo: 5:32am On Sep 13
jneutron4000:
The Emir of Ilorin is a Yoruba man, what the Yorubas in Ilorin has done is to adopt and accept Islamic religion and they even translated the Quran into the Yoruba version called Larubawa. Ilorin is 100% in the hands of Yoruba Muslims.

You could have fooled me

Alimi was also a Yoruba man and Afonja was Fulani. grin

Every emirate that is subjected to the Sokoto caliphate is ruled by a Fulani emir

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by oyatz(m): 5:35am On Sep 13
Liebermantic:

Are Sarakis And Alimi's Yoruba?
Bearing Yoruba names doesn't change their ethnicity.... FULANI

In present day Ilorin, ethnicity is more or less an ill-defined political classification because most Indigenes of Ilorin are now mixtures of Yoruba, Fulanis, Nupe and even Kanuris to varying degrees.
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by oyatz(m): 5:45am On Sep 13
OfoIgbo:


You could have fooled me

Alimi was also a Yoruba man and Afonja was Fulani. grin

Every emirate that is subjected to the Sokoto caliphate is ruled by a Fulani emir


Alimi and Afonja story was over 200 years old. It's naive to assume that things remain the ways they were in 1810.



The guy is correct because it's very difficult to see true Fulanis in Ilorin. What you are going to see are Yorubas with PARTIAL FULANI ANCESTRIES due to centuries of inter-tribal marriages and cultural assimilation.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by OfoIgbo: 5:55am On Sep 13
oyatz:



Alimi and Afonja story was over 200 years old. It's naive to assume that things remain the ways they were in 1810.



The guy is correct because it's very difficult to see true Fulanis in Ilorin. What you are going to see are Yorubas with PARTIAL FULANI ANCESTRIES due to centuries of inter-tribal marriages and cultural assimilation.

So haven't you noticed that for more than 200 years now, there has not been an OBA in Ilorin.
And every emir of Ilorin had or has Fulani blood
And that Ilorin is a vassal of the Fulani Sokoto caliphate
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 7:36am On Sep 13
OfoIgbo:


You could have fooled me

Alimi was also a Yoruba man and Afonja was Fulani. grin

Every emirate that is subjected to the Sokoto caliphate is ruled by a Fulani emir
go and make proper research and history concerning the Emirate in Ilorin and find out how many was killed by the Yoruba Muslims before the Yorubas took over the emirate and the Fulanis were forced to accept the Yoruba Emir of Ilorin. All you need to do is to make your research simple.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 7:40am On Sep 13
OfoIgbo:


So haven't you noticed that for more than 200 years now, there has not been an OBA in Ilorin.
And every emir of Ilorin had or has Fulani blood
And that Ilorin is a vassal of the Fulani Sokoto caliphate
there was never an Oba in Ilorin, what Ilorin had was Baale, and there is still Baale in Ilorin till date, Afonja was a Kankafo and he was the Baale and the head in Ilorin. Kankafo is a leader of Aalafin's guard ( Esho). So Ilorin never had Oba.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by Malawian(m): 7:48am On Sep 13
GuyfawkesAB:
A Yoruba guy must have f*cked you ex-gf so hard you can't seem to forget grin grin grin grin
Yoruba and "Hard" inukwa?
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by OfoIgbo: 9:18am On Sep 13
jneutron4000:
there was never an Oba in Ilorin, what Ilorin had was Baale, and there is still Baale in Ilorin till date, Afonja was a Kankafo and he was the Baale and the head in Ilorin. Kankafo is a leader of Aalafin's guard ( Esho). So Ilorin never had Oba.


By Oba, I mean a Yoruba traditional ruler of the town. The number one traditional leader of Ilorin people.

But Ilorin emirate is still subservient to Sokoto
And the current emir of Ilorin, has Fulani blood flowing in him
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 11:50am On Sep 13
OfoIgbo:



By Oba, I mean a Yoruba traditional ruler of the town. The number one traditional leader of Ilorin people.

But Ilorin emirate is still subservient to Sokoto
And the current emir of Ilorin, has Fulani blood flowing in him
Ilorin never had oba, Ilorin is part of the towns owns by the Aalafin and Afonja was in charge of Ilorin, Afonja rebelled against Aalafin and the war took a dimension of a sort of religion war, Yoruba Muslims against the Yoruba traditional religion, even the Yoruba Muslims in Ilorin actually killed the Aalafin of that era, later on they Fulanis rebelled against Afonja who enlisted them to fight against Aalafin, if Afonja was a Muslim and he was killed, the Yorubas Muslims would have dealt with the Fulanis and chase them out but Afonja himself was a strong traditionalist so they felt he should be eliminated. After that, the Yorubas Muslims killed 2 Emir of Ilorin before they accepted a proposal Yoruba Muslims (Larubawa) to reign as their religious leaders that is the Emir of Ilorin. Emir system or Emirate is not owned by Fulanis, it is actually an Arab practice common amongst must Muslims country example UAE, Emir of Qatar, Bahrain, even the Taliban are adopting the Emirate state In Afghanistan so you guys should stop appropriating what the Fulanis did not even have the sense or idea to conceive to them, you are placing them where they do not belong.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by OfoIgbo: 1:21pm On Sep 13
jneutron4000:
Ilorin never had oba, Ilorin is part of the towns owns by the Aalafin and Afonja was in charge of Ilorin, Afonja rebelled against Aalafin and the war took a dimension of a sort of religion war, Yoruba Muslims against the Yoruba traditional religion, even the Yoruba Muslims in Ilorin actually killed the Aalafin of that era, later on they Fulanis rebelled against Afonja who enlisted them to fight against Aalafin, if Afonja was a Muslim and he was killed, the Yorubas Muslims would have dealt with the Fulanis and chase them out but Afonja himself was a strong traditionalist so they felt he should be eliminated. After that, the Yorubas Muslims killed 2 Emir of Ilorin before they accepted a proposal Yoruba Muslims (Larubawa) to reign as their religious leaders that is the Emir of Ilorin. Emir system or Emirate is not owned by Fulanis, it is actually an Arab practice common amongst must Muslims country example UAE, Emir of Qatar, Bahrain, even the Taliban are adopting the Emirate state In Afghanistan so you guys should stop appropriating what the Fulanis did not even have the sense or idea to conceive to them, you are placing them where they do not belong.

The bone of contention is not whether Ilorin had someone that bore the title OBA. The bone of contention is also not about whether Emir, Caliph and Sultan are Fulani words. OF course I know those words have middle-eastern origins

I am simply saying that the Ilorin emir still has Fulani blood in him.
Secondly, that Ilorin emirate bows to the Sokoto caliphate. And we all know that the Sokoto caliphate is the source of Fulanisation, in Nigeria.

This wikipedia page of Nigerian traditional rulers, recognizes the Fulani/Yoruba blood of the Illorin emir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_traditional_states
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 5:13pm On Sep 13
OfoIgbo:


The bone of contention is not whether Ilorin had someone that bore the title OBA. The bone of contention is also not about whether Emir, Caliph and Sultan are Fulani words. OF course I know those words have middle-eastern origins

I am simply saying that the Ilorin emir still has Fulani blood in him.
Secondly, that Ilorin emirate bows to the Sokoto caliphate. And we all know that the Sokoto caliphate is the source of Fulanisation, in Nigeria.

This wikipedia page of Nigerian traditional rulers, recognizes the Fulani/Yoruba blood of the Illorin emir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_traditional_states
What do you expect Wikipedia to put before? It was through Fulani that Emirate got into Ilorin so that's what will be in Wikipedia and we Yorubas are not denying it. I can tell you for a fact that Fulani does not have any monarchy system that they initiated, even when they were in Futajalon even other ethnic group in Senegambia then like the Mandigo still had a system, Fulanis just copied the Arab system of Emirate and adopted it, and there only stronghold where they style themselves the most in even in Nigeria, in other West Africa countries no one recognises them as practising Emirate apart from the Normadic culture that they are known for. So if you talk about Oba, Baale, everyone know it
Yoruba for that, Igwe, Obis every know it Igbos, but Emir is not from Fulani and people should stop appropriating it to them, some time ago the Olu of Iwo even style himself as Emir of Iwo before he was warned to do mess our culture for the Arab culture. The Emir of Ilorin na full blooded Yoruba man, that is a fact

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by oyatz(m): 10:09pm On Sep 13
OfoIgbo:


So haven't you noticed that for more than 200 years now, there has not been an OBA in Ilorin.
And every emir of Ilorin had or has Fulani blood
And that Ilorin is a vassal of the Fulani Sokoto caliphate


Oba and Emir are posts occupied by individuals,they don't define ethnic identities or compositions of the whole town.

Sokoto Caliphate ended in 1903 when Caliph Attahiru and his soldiers were killed and the British conquered their country to incorporate it into Nigeria.

You also need to understand that there's no State in Nigeria where the Fulanis are the majority ethnic group, not even in Sokoto, not in Kano , Katsina and definitely not in Kwara.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by OfoIgbo: 2:42am On Sep 14
oyatz:



Oba and Emir are posts occupied by individuals,they don't define ethnic identities or compositions of the whole town.

Sokoto Caliphate ended in 1903 when Caliph Attahiru and his soldiers were killed and the British conquered their country to incorporate it into Nigeria.

You also need to understand that there's no State in Nigeria where the Fulanis are the majority ethnic group, not even in Sokoto, not in Kano , Katsina and definitely not in Kwara.

But the emir of Ilorin is the constitutionally recognised traditional ruler of Ilorin
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by oyatz(m): 5:16am On Sep 14
OfoIgbo:


But the emir of Ilorin is the constitutionally recognised traditional ruler of Ilorin

How does this change the ethnic identities of Ilorin sir?


If you go to Ilorin and stay for a week, you will see that the city share more in similarities with Ibadan, Ogbomosho ,Iseyin than Gwandu, Sokoto or Funtua.

The Emir of Ilorin is sustained by politics. An average person on the street in Ilorin will be surprised if you ask him who is the Emir of Ilorin (I am surprised that some illiterate ones don't even know the title exist!) because everybody call him, Oba Ilorin.

Like in other Yoruba cities, the traditional market beside the palace in Ilorin is called 'Oja Oba'


In any case, the people of Ilorin (except may be the Families of Afonja and Alimi) seems happy with the ways they are and everybody see each other as fellow Ilorin guys.

The place is a peaceful and lovely city with good road networks and low cost of living.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by oyatz(m): 5:26am On Sep 14
jneutron4000:
What do you expect Wikipedia to put before? It was through Fulani that Emirate got into Ilorin so that's what will be in Wikipedia and we Yorubas are not denying it. I can tell you for a fact that Fulani does not have any monarchy system that they initiated, even when they were in Futajalon even other ethnic group in Senegambia then like the Mandigo still had a system, Fulanis just copied the Arab system of Emirate and adopted it, and there only stronghold where they style themselves the most in even in Nigeria, in other West Africa countries no one recognises them as practising Emirate apart from the Normadic culture that they are known for. So if you talk about Oba, Baale, everyone know it
Yoruba for that, Igwe, Obis every know it Igbos, but Emir is not from Fulani and people should stop appropriating it to them, some time ago the Olu of Iwo even style himself as Emir of Iwo before he was warned to do mess our culture for the Arab culture. The Emir of Ilorin na full blooded Yoruba man, that is a fact



.Dues to cultural assimilation and social changes, the Fulanis in Ilorin have become Yorubanized.


However, we need to understand that in Ilorin, ethnic identities is subsumed under the Islamic identity.
Ilorin people are a blend of people mostly from Yoruba but with some Fulani, Nupe, Hausa and Kanuri origins.
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 8:16am On Sep 14
oyatz:




.Dues to cultural assimilation and social changes, the Fulanis in Ilorin have become Yorubanized.


However, we need to understand that in Ilorin, ethnic identities is subsumed under the Islamic identity.
Ilorin people are a blend of people mostly from Yoruba but with some Fulani, Nupe, Hausa and Kanuri origins.
Exactly, there are Fulani in Ilorin that can't even speak Fula, all they know is Yoruba language and Ede Larubawa. As you have rightly said that ethnic identities is subsumed under Islamic Identity, and that is what metamorphosed into the ways you see Yorubas in Ilorin dress. All what the Yorubas in Ilorin needs to keep it their Yoruba language and Yoruba value system and anyone who comes into Yoruba land in Ilorin needs to adopt the Yoruba language and Yoruba value system, and am impressed with what the Yoruba in Ilorin have being able to maintain it, I can tell you for a fact that if you go to every Universities in Nigeria, where you will find Fulanis with best brain is in University of Ilorin, you won't find such in the core North. All we need is to take power away from Fulani at the centre, so we can shape this Fulanis in a right and proper direction. Awolowo tried to liberate them by distributing flyers from an helicopter during his campaign in order to educate them, their elites frowned at it, GEJ tried also by building Almajiries schools to educate them, the elites frowned at it and raised Boko Haram, and Bandits till date that's the problem plaguing Nigeria, so their elites are the major problems, but the Yorubas in Kwara will keep doing their best.
https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2021/1/conjoined-female-twins-separated-at-the-university-of-ilorin-teaching-hospital-photos-2.html

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by BKayy: 8:42am On Sep 14
jneutron4000:
What do you expect Wikipedia to put before? It was through Fulani that Emirate got into Ilorin so that's what will be in Wikipedia and we Yorubas are not denying it. I can tell you for a fact that Fulani does not have any monarchy system that they initiated, even when they were in Futajalon even other ethnic group in Senegambia then like the Mandigo still had a system, Fulanis just copied the Arab system of Emirate and adopted it, and there only stronghold where they style themselves the most in even in Nigeria, in other West Africa countries no one recognises them as practising Emirate apart from the Normadic culture that they are known for. So if you talk about Oba, Baale, everyone know it
Yoruba for that, Igwe, Obis every know it Igbos, but Emir is not from Fulani and people should stop appropriating it to them, some time ago the Olu of Iwo even style himself as Emir of Iwo before he was warned to do mess our culture for the Arab culture. The Emir of Ilorin na full blooded Yoruba man, that is a fact
Words of a defeated man.
"There are Fulani that don't speak fula but Yoruba"
Who are you deceiving?
From Lafiagi, Patigi to Ilorin, it is only Share that doesn't have the Caliphate Motto. Maybe I didn't see any. Right there at Ilorin, every major traditional institution is at the approval of the Caliphate.
Ofoigbo don't mind these people, I know Kwara very well. If you go to Ilorin East (not the main Capital sha), it will be as if you entered 4th century. You will see Fulani villages lying side by side with Yorubas. I mean big villages. You'll see them with their donkeys, dane guns and hand bag machet everytime. Those ones don't know shit about Yoruba. They speak Hausa and Fula. In Ilorin South, the Yorubas are unarguably much there but the Emir is bona fide Fulani. They don't hide it. It's not as if Yorubas can wake up one day and chase them out. The Fulani are rampant around there oh, plus the Nupe people. The worst is that the Nupe on their own have been totally conquered by the Fulani. The whole Seven Emirs of Nupe in Kwara are Fulani. Even the Etsu in Niger State is Fulani.
Infact Fulani are the owners of Kwara State. All these things he is saying here is noise. Even the chief of Offa submits to the Emir

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by theInterpreter: 8:54am On Sep 14
oyatz:


In present day Ilorin, ethnicity is more or less an ill-defined political classification because most Indigenes of Ilorin are now mixtures of Yoruba, Fulanis, Nupe and even Kanuris to varying degrees.
kanuri are not in anywhere else but bornu
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by theInterpreter: 8:57am On Sep 14
BKayy:

Words of a defeated man.
"There are Fulani that don't speak fula but Yoruba"
Who are you deceiving?
From Lafiagi, Patigi to Ilorin, it is only Share that doesn't haven't the Caliphate Motto. Maybe I didn't see any. Right there at Ilorin, every major traditional institution is at the approval of the Caliphate.
Ofoigbo don't mind these people, I know Kwara very well. If you go to Ilorin East (not the main Capital sha), it will be as if you entered 4th century. You will see Fulani villages lying side by side with Yorubas. I mean big villages. You'll see them with their donkeys, dane guns and hand bag machet everytime. Those ones don't know shit about Yoruba. They speak Hausa and Fula. In Ilorin South, the Yorubas are unarguably much there but the Emir is bona fide Fulani. They don't hide it. It's not as if Yorubas can wake up one day and chase them out. The Fulani are rampant around there oh, plus the Nupe people. The worst is that the Nupe on their own have been totally conquered by the Fulani. The whole Seven Emirs of Nupe in Kwara are Fulani. Even the Etsu in Niger State is Fulani.
Infact Fulani are the owners of Kwara State. All these things he is saying here is noise. Even the chief of Offa submits to the Emir
let me just tell you


the main ethnic group in Kwara is Islam

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 12:08pm On Sep 14
BKayy:

Words of a defeated man.
"There are Fulani that don't speak fula but Yoruba"
Who are you deceiving?
From Lafiagi, Patigi to Ilorin, it is only Share that doesn't have the Caliphate Motto. Maybe I didn't see any. Right there at Ilorin, every major traditional institution is at the approval of the Caliphate.
Ofoigbo don't mind these people, I know Kwara very well. If you go to Ilorin East (not the main Capital sha), it will be as if you entered 4th century. You will see Fulani villages lying side by side with Yorubas. I mean big villages. You'll see them with their donkeys, dane guns and hand bag machet everytime. Those ones don't know shit about Yoruba. They speak Hausa and Fula. In Ilorin South, the Yorubas are unarguably much there but the Emir is bona fide Fulani. They don't hide it. It's not as if Yorubas can wake up one day and chase them out. The Fulani are rampant around there oh, plus the Nupe people. The worst is that the Nupe on their own have been totally conquered by the Fulani. The whole Seven Emirs of Nupe in Kwara are Fulani. Even the Etsu in Niger State is Fulani.
Infact Fulani are the owners of Kwara State. All these things he is saying here is noise. Even the chief of Offa submits to the Emir
I do not need to educate you about the Osogbo war that the Ibadan Warriors defeated Fulanis and lot of the heads chopped off, it obvious you have choose to believe what will make you happy. Anyway I need to you remind you that this era of civilisation things are different from what it used to be. If we get Yoruba Nation today, that does not mean we will chase out non Yorubas from our land, what we will do is to take total control of our political, social and economic space without foreign or external external constitution overriding ours. The Fulanis you fear and you think they are powerful are just simply riding on the 1999 constitution that all. We will get power come 2023 and you will see that Fulanis are the weakness ethic group in Africa.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 12:12pm On Sep 14
theInterpreter:
let me just tell you


the main ethnic group in Kwara is Islam
Leave them, let them keep believing whatever they want to believe

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by OfoIgbo: 12:26pm On Sep 14
jneutron4000:
[s][/s]I do not need to educate you about the Osogbo war that the Ibadan Warriors defeated Fulanis and lot of the heads chopped off, it obvious you have choose to believe what will make you happy. Anyway I need to you remind you that this era of civilisation things are different from what it used to be. If we get Yoruba Nation today, that does not mean we will chase out non Yorubas from our land, what we will do is to take total control of our political, social and economic space without foreign or external external constitution overriding ours. The Fulanis you fear and you think they are powerful are just simply riding on the 1999 constitution that all. We will get power come 2023 and you will see that Fulanis are the weakness ethic group in Africa.

The bolded is what I need to be hearing and reading. Denying reality doesn't make it less real. Changing the reality is a much better way of going about it.

The facts on ground are that the Fulanis have a vested interest in Illorin emirate, and the Ilorin emirate bows to the Sokoto caliphate.
Extra facts being that this cultural domination only started about two hundred years ago, when Alimi carried out a wicked coup against the Yoruba landowners.

What Yorubas have to do is to acknowledge the current Fulani usurpation of cultural headship over Ilorin, and then ensure to reverse that injustice. Denial of the current fact, is like playing the ostritch.
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 1:14pm On Sep 14
OfoIgbo:


The bolded is what I need to be hearing and reading. Denying reality doesn't make it less real. Changing the reality is a much better way of going about it.

The facts on ground are that the Fulanis have a vested interest in Illorin emirate, and the Ilorin emirate bows to the Sokoto caliphate.
Extra facts being that this cultural domination only started about two hundred years ago, when Alimi carried out a wicked coup against the Yoruba landowners.

What Yorubas have to do is to acknowledge the current Fulani usurpation of cultural headship over Ilorin, and then ensure to reverse that injustice. Denial of the current fact, is like playing the ostritch.

Who told you Ilorin Emirate bows to Sokoto Caliphate? What are you saying You seem not to get the point that Constitutional authority is what is governing Nigeria now and not Monarchy, traditional or religious authority. As it stands now if you check the Nigeria customary law, it is divided into Ethnic and Religious based, the Sultan of Sokoto styled himself
as the Muslims religion head which Ilorin Emirate does not subscribe to but based on the Constitutional authority which the Fulanis are privileged to be using in their favour now, if the Sultan tells the Nigeria government the moon is out and they should declare so so date as public holiday for the Muslims ceremony, it binds not even only on Muslims but every Nigeria so those are the facts on ground and we don't have to pretend about it. Power is the key, once Fulani loses that power, you see how Sanusi was disgraced out of his sit in Kano, that's is how Sultan will be replaced by an Hausa Man.

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Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by oyatz(m): 2:21pm On Sep 14
theInterpreter:
kanuri are not in anywhere else but bornu


Some Kanuri and Hausa Slaves in old Oyo Empire fled from their Masters and emigrated en-mass to Ilorin where Afonja, the Governor of Ilorin Pronvince and a former Oyo General now turned Rebel leader, in collaboration with Sheik
Salihu Janta alias Alimi have declared freedom and sanctuary for any Muslim slave that escaped and join their growing number of rebels.

The descendants of these non-Yoruba, non-Fulani group of northern origin are the peoples that call themselves GAMBARI. They have their Quarters and Military Representative in the Ilorin inner Cabinet called BALOGUN GAMBARI. The military representative of the Fulani group is BALOGUN FULANI. The two other military representing, BALOGUN ALANOMU and BALOGUN AJIKOBI represent the Yoruba components.
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by oyatz(m): 2:44pm On Sep 14
OfoIgbo:


The bolded is what I need to be hearing and reading. Denying reality doesn't make it less real. Changing the reality is a much better way of going about it.

The facts on ground are that the Fulanis have a vested interest in Illorin emirate, and the Ilorin emirate bows to the Sokoto caliphate.
Extra facts being that this cultural domination only started about two hundred years ago, when Alimi carried out a wicked coup against the Yoruba landowners.

What Yorubas have to do is to acknowledge the current Fulani usurpation of cultural headship over Ilorin, and then ensure to reverse that injustice. Denial of the current fact, is like playing the ostritch.



It's tempting but misleading to judge the historical events of the 19th century with contemporary parameters.


1) What happened in Ilorin around 1820 and many other political entities of that era was a struggle between States/Kingdoms/Empires and not strictly an inter-tribal war as we now understand the tribes.

2) Alimi did NOT invade or even killed Afonja (Alimi actually died before Afonja).
The Ilorin Jaa'ma (Muslim Ummah comprising of people of different ethnic backgrounds) allied themselves with Sokoto Caliphate which was the nascent Muslim State just directly up north of Ilorin.

3) This Ilorin Jaa'ma did so to prevent themselves from being ruled further by Afonja , who though had relied on them and used them to secceed from Oyo Empire but nevertheless wasn't a Muslim himself and had no intention to become one.

4) The Ilorin Emirate under Abdusalami as Amir Al-Muslimi (the leader of the Muslims) and it's subsequent affiliation to the Muslim Sokoto Caliphate was constituted much more later after the death of Afonja.

6) With time, the Ilorin Emirate transformed from a Theocracy into a Monarchy just as it's often the case everywhere.

7) It should be noted that the Jihard of Usman DanFodio started as a religious war and not really an inter-tribal war.
The Fulanis were a settler minority tribe in 1804 and the indigenous peoples would have closed ranks and killed them off if they had carried out the Jihard as a FULANI Vs Non-Fulani inter-tribal war.
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by OfoIgbo: 3:22pm On Sep 14
jneutron4000:
Who told you Ilorin Emirate bows to Sokoto Caliphate? What are you saying You seem not to get the point that Constitutional authority is what is governing Nigeria now and not Monarchy, traditional or religious authority. As it stands now if you check the Nigeria customary law, it is divided into Ethnic and Religious based, the Sultan of Sokoto styled himself
as the Muslims religion head which Ilorin Emirate does not subscribe to but based on the Constitutional authority which the Fulanis are privileged to be using in their favour now, if the Sultan tells the Nigeria government the moon is out and they should declare so so date as public holiday for the Muslims ceremony, it binds not even only on Muslims but every Nigeria so those are the facts on ground and we don't have to pretend about it. Power is the key, once Fulani loses that power, you see how Sanusi was disgraced out of his sit in Kano, that's is how Sultan will be replaced by an Hausa Man.

You are speaking my language.

Nothing is set in stone. Once you realise that, and I believe you realise that, every other thing falls in place.

It was the British colonisers that handed over such undeserved power and authority to Fulani, which is why Hausa as an entity is almost extinct, and completely subsumed by the Fulani superclass.

If Yorubas are truly the majority in Ilorin, eventually they should start demanding that any oba or emir of Ilorin must be completely Yoruba, up to the person's grandparents.

Today, Ijaws are trying to take over Ubani (Bonny) and Opobo, which were clearly recorded by neutral European observers to be peopled originally by Igbos. The Nigerian system, totally corrupted by Fulanis have allowed the Ijaws to start claiming Bonny and Opobo. But if Igbos decide to lay aggressive claim on those territories, it will be proper, after all it has always been ours.

The same goes for Yorubas of Ilorin. The Fulani-controlled Nigerian system is trying to psychologically keep Fulanis, relevant in the cultural life of Ilorin. The Yorubas of Ilorin must never allow that to happen.
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by OfoIgbo: 3:32pm On Sep 14
oyatz:



It's tempting but misleading to judge the historical events of the 19th century with contemporary parameters.


1) What happened in Ilorin around 1820 and many other political entities of that era was a struggle between States/Kingdoms/Empires and not strictly an inter-tribal war as we now understand the tribes.

2) Alimi did NOT invade or even killed Afonja (Alimi actually died before Afonja).
The Ilorin Jaa'ma (Muslim Ummah comprising of people of different ethnic backgrounds) allied themselves with Sokoto Caliphate which was the nascent Muslim State just directly up north of Ilorin.

3) This Ilorin Jaa'ma did so to prevent themselves from being ruled further by Afonja , who though had relied on them and used them to secceed from Oyo Empire but nevertheless wasn't a Muslim himself and had no intention to become one.

4) The Ilorin Emirate under Abdusalami as Amir Al-Muslimi (the leader of the Muslims) and it's subsequent affiliation to the Muslim Sokoto Caliphate was constituted much more later after the death of Afonja.

6) With time, the Ilorin Emirate transformed from a Theocracy into a Monarchy just as it's often the case everywhere.

7) It should be noted that the Jihard of Usman DanFodio started as a religious war and not really an inter-tribal war.
The Fulanis were a settler minority tribe in 1804 and the indigenous peoples would have closed ranks and killed them off if they had carried out the Jihard as a FULANI Vs Non-Fulani inter-tribal war.

Remember that Buhari put on the Nigerian toga around the 2015 presidential election, but once he got in, he threw it away and immediately became a Fulani champion.

That has always been the Fulani way. Fulanis were not the only muslims during the whole Usman Dan Fodio terrorism, but for some reason, all the territories conquered in the name of Islam became emirates headed by Fulanis.

Every excuse in the world, will be concocted by the Fulanis to throw a wool over the eyes of unsuspecting locals, to push them into getting rid of indigenous rulers, after which the Fulanis will immediately bring in a Fulani ruler
Re: Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia On Opobo. This Is Who To Blame... by jneutron4000: 5:33pm On Sep 14
OfoIgbo:


You are speaking my language.

Nothing is set in stone. Once you realise that, and I believe you realise that, every other thing falls in place.

It was the British colonisers that handed over such undeserved power and authority to Fulani, which is why Hausa as an entity is almost extinct, and completely subsumed by the Fulani superclass.

If Yorubas are truly the majority in Ilorin, eventually they should start demanding that any oba or emir of Ilorin must be completely Yoruba, up to the person's grandparents.

Today, Ijaws are trying to take over Ubani (Bonny) and Opobo, which were clearly recorded by neutral European observers to be peopled originally by Igbos. The Nigerian system, totally corrupted by Fulanis have allowed the Ijaws to start claiming Bonny and Opobo. But if Igbos decide to lay aggressive claim on those territories, it will be proper, after all it has always been ours.

The same goes for Yorubas of Ilorin. The Fulani-controlled Nigerian system is trying to psychologically keep Fulanis, relevant in the cultural life of Ilorin. The Yorubas of Ilorin must never allow that to happen.
Exactly and I can tell you that Yoruba in Ilorin will Never allow it, just to let you know that even the Fulanis are aware that Kwara Ilorin down to Kogi where we have the Okun Yoruba people is Yoruba land and you will never forfeit their ancestral land to anyone, during the crisis that the North decided that they will stop food coming down South, it was River Niger they stopped because they know once they enter part of Kogi, then Yoruba land and Yoruba people are there. They are smart but it just a matter of time, Fulanis will be put in their place. Nigeria is the only country they have gat political power and it will be taken away from them just a matter of time.

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