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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by htdot: 6:06am On Sep 18, 2021
careytommy37:
Even when Trump is no longer in the picture, they still blame him for all their woes. Clowns grin
The france foreign minister is a big fool. May be he really think the liberal media wont attack hom much if he blames Trump for it.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by wink2015(m): 6:08am On Sep 18, 2021
France that is fond of carrying nuclear test on the south Pacific region to the risk of the health of the native is now complaining.
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Jonah507(m): 6:09am On Sep 18, 2021
France is so selfish, even the countries colonised by them are still under the rules of France.

All the Francophone countries are still never really independent.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by CSTRR: 6:11am On Sep 18, 2021
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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by wallrichy: 6:12am On Sep 18, 2021
All road leads to the building of a strong resistance to the eventual threat of China in the indo Pacific areas. France think of the loss of a good deal worth billion of dollars with Ausy while US and UK thinks and quickly cemented a good opportunity to oppose the ravaging threat of China. France is overwhelmingly irritant and selfish to have thought of her Economy first and relegating the National security of Australia and some other smaller countries within the indo Pacific seas and islands. US and UK have made a good deal with Australia in this regards with recourse to having a global world peace.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by RPirez: 6:22am On Sep 18, 2021
naijaguy123456:
I can’t blame Australia here. The US and UK are world super power and having both behind you is any country dream. The fact France was overran during the world war and surrendered to Germany still tint their image till today. No one want a super power who was once whipping boy by Nazi German behind them and also Australia, UK and USA have one thing in common, same language!

Dude, STOP running ur mouth, abeg. In present day Europe, France is 2nd ONLY to Russia from a Military might perspective. France or UK couldn't have stopped the Nazis that conquered everything on their way in Europe. All those conquered nations automatically joined forces with the Nazis which of course multiplied their might by a lot. The two nations that could have defeated the Nazis were the former Soviet Union and the U.S which, the Soviet eventually did.

So STOP all these crap you're spewing, abeg.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by OutisComputers7: 6:23am On Sep 18, 2021
France that couldn’t hold Germany for a month in WWII? Worse than Afghanistan Jokers
Australia is wise to pick a Alliance with US.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by CSTRR: 6:25am On Sep 18, 2021
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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by eaglechild: 6:25am On Sep 18, 2021
wallrichy:
All road leads to the building of a strong resistance to the eventual threat of China in the indo Pacific areas. France think of the loss of a good deal worth billion of dollars with Ausy while US and UK thinks and quickly cemented a good opportunity to oppose the ravaging threat of China. France is overwhelmingly irritant and selfish to have thought of her Economy first and relegating the National security of Australia and some other smaller countries within the indo Pacific seas and islands. US and UK have made a good deal with Australia in this regards with recourse to having a global world peace.
You are contradicting yourself.
You say France is selfish to have thought of their economy first.
Do you genuinely think US interests are selfless.
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by CSTRR: 6:29am On Sep 18, 2021
eaglechild:

You are contradicting yourself.
You say France is selfish to have thought of their economy first.
Do you genuinely think US interests are selfless.
The US is now supplying goods to China that China banned from Australia.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Techguy96(m): 6:31am On Sep 18, 2021
careytommy37:
Even when Trump is no longer in the picture, they still blame him for all their woes. Clowns grin
He was once the president na, do u think they can undo all is actions in less then one year.

Besides APC still blame PDP after six years.
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Techguy96(m): 6:32am On Sep 18, 2021
eaglechild:

You are contradicting yourself.
You say France is selfish to have thought of their economy first.
Do you genuinely think US interests are selfless.
Ogbeni no one said US interests are selfless, everybody dey fight for him interest.
US are not father Christmas.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by CSTRR: 6:36am On Sep 18, 2021
France is the only country in the West with an independent military sector from the United States.

They don't even buy American weapons.

The picture is below is a french Rafale.

A powerful modern fighter jet.
Do you know how many times, the United States have robbed France of opportunity to sell the rafale?

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by ExtraVioment: 6:37am On Sep 18, 2021
France should go and sit down somewhere and enjoy their beautiful country. I don't blame them, I blame the African countries that are making their head swell.


So if America is not there, is it France we will go for, or Russia, China, Israel, or even Australia or Canada, or UK. Please shift. We want war and economic alliance with America.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by miqos02(m): 6:38am On Sep 18, 2021
jaxxy:
National interest supersedes business interests. They can’t possibly buy lesser submarines which won’t adequately serve them currently just because they want to patronize France.
when did they realised this? There was a bidding process involving France, Germany and Japan which the French won. The Americans never participated in that contest so France is right to be angry.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by CSTRR: 6:39am On Sep 18, 2021
OutisComputers7:
France that couldn’t hold Germany for a month in WWII? Worse than Afghanistan Jokers
Australia is wise to pick a Alliance with US.
The France of then is different from the France of now.

It was the humiliation of that war that forced them to develop an enviable defence industry.

France now will fucckkk anybody up.
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by jaxxy(m): 6:43am On Sep 18, 2021
miqos02:
when did they realised this? There was a bidding process involving France, Germany and Japan which the French won. The Americans never participated in that contest so France is right to be angry.

Since 2016 why did the contract delay? There were parts of the contract that allowed for a withdrawal. Many things happened.

Then Australia national interest since 2016 cud have changed. These are all valid considerations that superseded a stalled or delayed contract.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by emakind(m): 7:12am On Sep 18, 2021
Praxis758:
To the US, it is building alliance

To the UK, it is having a strong footing

To the Australian government it is self interest for protection to warn any foreign threat

While such a self interest by Australian govt to form such a strong alliance is a threat to the selfish interest of the French government.


Have u ever been given a job or contract worth some good amount of money only to come back to hear 'we are very sorry, we found someone more competent'.. Only then you will understand why the French are really hurt.. It pains bro..


The summary of all is that, in life, your self interest to pursue the course of success is a big threat that is secretly saddening some people.
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Goahead(m): 7:17am On Sep 18, 2021
I wouldn't trust a country that builds Peugeot and Citroën to build a critical military hardware in the form of submarines. It will likely spend more time in the workshops than in the ocean.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by palsenator(m): 7:21am On Sep 18, 2021
olu77:
Look at what developed countries are quarrelling over, nucleared submarine, life is indeed not fair.


While Buhari is busy fighting for cows and cow brained Foolaaa

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by EndBuhariNow(m): 7:22am On Sep 18, 2021
Buhari will now befriend French so he can get hold of their outdated submarine on credit... such a silly dullard undecided undecided
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Princedapace(m): 7:26am On Sep 18, 2021
olu77:
Look at what developed countries are quarrelling over, nucleared submarine, life is indeed not fair.

Black race love only to enjoy life. Our brain no carry these type of things. That is why we are like this.
We love to drive car without learning how to produce one. We love smart TV, phones, everything but we don't really care about how to produce them. That is why we are only interested in selling our raw materials.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by gnykelly(m): 7:29am On Sep 18, 2021
naijaguy123456:
I can’t blame Australia here. The US and UK are world super power and having both behind you is any country dream. The fact France was overran during the world war and surrendered to Germany still tint their image till today. No one want a super power who was once whipping boy by Nazi German behind them and also Australia, UK and USA have one thing in common, same language!

If UK was part of the European continental shelf it would have been ran over fairly by the Nazis, and that was 80 yrs ago.

America was chased out like theif in Afghanistan modern times so what did all their intelligence achieved.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by conquistadores(m): 7:32am On Sep 18, 2021
Our slay Queens would be very quiet on threads such as this�

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Oppy2k2: 7:33am On Sep 18, 2021
Nigeria left d chat room.......





We never reach that level, na cow matter dey our mind
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by gnykelly(m): 7:36am On Sep 18, 2021
OutisComputers7:
France that couldn’t hold Germany for a month in WWII? Worse than Afghanistan Jokers
Australia is wise to pick a Alliance with US.

America is not a trustworthy ally, they are stabbing a very important ally like France, they are dismantling THAAD missile defense in Saudi Arabia. See how they left JCPOA see how they withdraw from climate change agreement. See how they removed dollar from gold standard...they not a worthy allies if the price is right they will sell you for a penny.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by ogwumgbe: 7:41am On Sep 18, 2021
hakeem4:
I think France saw Joe Biden as a strong supporter of the transatlantic alliance, that there is going to be stability after a very long time after a very difficult time during the trump administration. But this is just tremendously disappointing to them. You know France and some European nations are not as ready to take confrontational approach to china in which the United state is advocating. Great Britain and Australia support the US advocacy on this. Now, as far as the submarine deal between the Australians and the French. The Australians have been complaining and unhappy about the deal, they said that they were Over-runs, delays and cyber security issues




summary of the deal, The French version was not as superior to that of the US

US and Britain don't give a Bleep about France, after all France betrayed them during invasion of Irag, and Afghanistan. New international relation is en vogue , the old one has been discarded

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Demolakay: 7:42am On Sep 18, 2021
naijaguy123456:
I can’t blame Australia here. The US and UK are world super power and having both behind you is any country dream. The fact France was overran during the world war and surrendered to Germany still tint their image till today. No one want a super power who was once whipping boy by Nazi German behind them and also Australia, UK and USA have one thing in common, same language!
But Britain was also whipped by Japan during d second world war.
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by ogwumgbe: 7:46am On Sep 18, 2021
gnykelly:


America is not a trustworthy ally, they are stabbing a very important ally like France, they are dismantling THAAD missile defense in Saudi Arabia. See how they left JCPOA see how they withdraw from climate change agreement. See how they removed dollar from gold standard...they not a worthy allies if the price is right they will sell you for a penny.

Nothing like stabbing here bro, their relationship with France ended in 2003 when France refused to go to war in Irag with US

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by cyprex: 8:07am On Sep 18, 2021
I understand how France feels, they are backstabbed by allies.
USA and UK are close allies of France and they know of this existing deal between France and Australia. They know France has expended considerable resources so far
One would have thought that US and UK would have informed France of the deal at the proposal stage so all parties may consider a joint arrangement but to the USA its all about power and economic benefits, friendship can go to hell
As regards Australia, they considered national security as a priority and didn't care how anyone else would feel so long as they get what they prefer.

But I think there's more to this . If its just about type of submarine, Australia could have requested France to upgrade the quality to Nuclear powered type instead of the conventional one earlier agreed

Indeed there is evidently strong backstabbing and it pains when it's coming from supposed friends

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by ynotsadeek(m): 8:14am On Sep 18, 2021
Nothing like building alliance for the US here.

The US is the world's no.1 bully.

These are actions being taken just to checkmate the rise of China.

And the US will sacrifice any of it's so-called "Allies" just to achieve its own goals.

The US actually sees all their allies as mere tools to be used to drive their goal of global dominance. Nothing more.

The way they just sacrificed their long term relationship with the French now, is how they will gladly sacrifice any country that doesn't put it's own interests above that of the US.

In this particular case, Australia really doesn't even have much of a choice on this nuclear submarine issue; they either join the US by signing this partnership or risk incurring the wrath of Washington.

The US is just being it's usual self, a real bully.

Praxis758:
To the US, it is building alliance

To the UK, it is having a strong footing

To the Australian government it is self interest for protection to warn any foreign threat

While such a self interest by Australian govt to form such a strong alliance is a threat to the selfish interest of the French government.


The summary of all is that, in life, your self interest to pursue the course of success is a big threat that is secretly saddening some people.

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