Rocktation:
To act purely on faith is good. But you know what I find to be even more interesting? To act on testmonies. In some sense, I could well be talking about the same thing. Simply put, the matter of faith goes deeper.

Faith could be blind on the one hand and on another, reasoned and informed. It suddenly occurred to me that the most of us, like to think that we do the blind faith thingy more often than the latter. But I hereby rain on your parade, as you really do not.... Ndo.

BUT what then is it, that uplifts this notion that our faith as Christians, really ought to be blind, without true understanding?

Abraham, who the bible references more than once and is one of the most obvious embodiments of faith, due to his pliancy when it came to sacrificing his dear Isaac, followed God’s order, using his powers of reason- not blind faith. Based on what he knew of God, he thought things through. He knew God’s nature as a faithful God and remembers God’s promise to raise up a nation through Isaac. Now, Isaac could very well be brought back from the dead to fulfill God's word, no? Abraham knew God could do that and so acted accordingly-- on a reasoned and informed faith.

Owning the ability to think and reason is not something to fear or remove yourself from. It is after all a gift that is both God given and affirmed by St. Paul, who encouraged us to ask God for wisdom which "He gives generously to all without finding fault". IMO, it can even be offensive then, if not put to use.

We might not always be opportune to see crystal clearly, the grand scheme of things and might be expected to roll with the tide, exercising faith, but that doesn't always mean it is blind. For we do that from a position of trust, based on all the knowledge we have of God that have been conveyed to us by teachers, personal and others' testimonies or experience series.

Rocktation:
To act purely on faith is good. But you know what I find to be even more interesting? To act on testmonies. In some sense, I could well be talking about the same thing. Simply put, the matter of faith goes deeper.

Faith could be blind on the one hand and on another, reasoned and informed. It suddenly occurred to me that the most of us, like to think that we do the blind faith thingy more often than the latter. But I hereby rain on your parade, as you really do not.... Ndo.

BUT what then is it, that uplifts this notion that our faith as Christians, really ought to be blind, without true understanding?

Abraham, who the bible references more than once and is one of the most obvious embodiments of faith, due to his pliancy when it came to sacrificing his dear Isaac, followed God’s order, using his powers of reason- not blind faith. Based on what he knew of God, he thought things through. He knew God’s nature as a faithful God and remembers God’s promise to raise up a nation through Isaac. Now, Isaac could very well be brought back from the dead to fulfill God's word, no? Abraham knew God could do that and so acted accordingly-- on a reasoned and informed faith.

Owning the ability to think and reason is not something to fear or remove yourself from. It is after all a gift that is both God given and affirmed by St. Paul, who encouraged us to ask God for wisdom which "He gives generously to all without finding fault". IMO, it can even be offensive then, if not put to use.

We might not always be opportune to see crystal clearly, the grand scheme of things and might be expected to roll with the tide, exercising faith, but that doesn't always mean it is blind. For we do that from a position of trust, based on all the knowledge we have of God that have been conveyed to us by teachers, personal and others' testimonies or experience series.

Workch:
Abraham's act is not based on reason but also on blind faith.

The fact that God even came up with such a silly game questions his omniscient nature.

Truvelisback:
What is now the difference btw Blind faith and faith? I'm yet to understand ur long epistle. Do u refer the blind faith as doubt(unbelief) or a kind of foolish act people do?

Rocktation:


I don't know it all, but I very much doubt that Abraham would have agreed to go ahead and sacrifice his son, if he had been asked to, by just any body. Neither would the most of us. Believable stories told of God by his antecessors, outside documented and undocumented personal encounters with God, most certainly have had something to do with his compliance.

Karlovych:
Really? But when he commanded Saul to slaughter those he didn't like, Saul went ahead and did it leaving only some animals alive (which he was punished for). Was that also by faith?

Rocktation:


I don't know it all, but I very much doubt that Abraham would have agreed to go ahead and sacrifice his son, if he had been asked to, by just any body. Neither would the most of us. Believable stories told of God by his antecessors, outside documented and undocumented personal encounters with God, most certainly have had something to do with his compliance.

Rocktation:


Is English your first language?
Lemme try again;
I'm saying-- Faith is an umbrella term for Blind Faith and Reasoned/Informed Faith...End of. From my human perspective, of course. Capeesh?

It is exactly as I have said it...Don't nitpick to make conversation or try to find imagined slights or connotations that are nonexistent.

Rocktation:
To act purely on faith is good. But you know what I find to be even more interesting? To act on testmonies. In some sense, I could well be talking about the same thing. Simply put, the matter of faith goes deeper.

Faith could be blind on the one hand and on another, reasoned and informed. It suddenly occurred to me that the most of us, like to think that we do the blind faith thingy more often than the latter. But I hereby rain on your parade, as you really do not.... Ndo.

BUT what then is it, that uplifts this notion that our faith as Christians, really ought to be blind, without true understanding?

Abraham, who the bible references more than once and is one of the most obvious embodiments of faith, due to his pliancy when it came to sacrificing his dear Isaac, followed God’s order, using his powers of reason- not blind faith. Based on what he knew of God, he thought things through. He knew God’s nature as a faithful God and remembers God’s promise to raise up a nation through Isaac. Now, Isaac could very well be brought back from the dead to fulfill God's word, no? Abraham knew God could do that and so acted accordingly-- on a reasoned and informed faith.

Owning the ability to think and reason is not something to fear or remove yourself from. It is after all a gift that is both God given and affirmed by St. Paul, who encouraged us to ask God for wisdom which "He gives generously to all without finding fault". IMO, it can even be offensive then, if not put to use.

We might not always be opportune to see crystal clearly, the grand scheme of things and might be expected to roll with the tide, exercising faith, but that doesn't always mean it is blind. For we do that from a position of trust, based on all the knowledge we have of God that has been conveyed to us by teachers, personal and others' testimonies or experience series.

Truvelisback:
I did get what u explained. Alright, If i get u clearly, u are simply tell us what genuine faith is all abt. I.e Not by sight rather by insight.

CrazyMan:

You can only exercise blind Faith when you know God personally.

Abraham knew God personally, so it was very easy for him to exercise blind Faith cos he heard clearly from God.

Even in the Bible, most of the characters exercised their faith based on their working relationship with God.

Christians of today live their lives based on whatever their pastors tell them and not what they were able to hear from God based on their relationship with him.

That's why blind Faith these days usually lead to unproductive results, cos you're acting based on another man's instructions and not God's instructions.

Dtruthspeaker:

Inside -Sight!

Dtruthspeaker:


I do not know what you call blind faith but I surely see all the Knowledgees Abraham and Co had in which they acted in Obedience to God.

God has told us already, "my People perish because THEY DO NOT KNOW" (KNOWLEDGE).

Nothing like blind faith anywhere, but as the Bible has often said people are the ones who are BLIND.

So being blind, it is impossible for them to SEE THE FAITH (KNOWLEDGE) EXERCISED!

CrazyMan:

You obviously missed the point I was trying to make.

By following God's direct instructions like Abraham when God told him to leave his father's land, was a blind Faith to people around him, because he had no idea where he was leading them.

But it wasn't a blind Faith to him (Abraham) because he was following the direct instructions from God.

People around you might not understand certain actions you take cos they're blind to the path way God has prepared for you...where the problem lies is when you're exercising blind Faith on man's instructions eg. Your pastor or spiritual leader.

Rocktation:
To act purely on faith is good. But you know what I find to be even more interesting? To act on testmonies. In some sense, I could well be talking about the same thing. Simply put, the matter of faith goes deeper.

Faith could be blind on the one hand and on another, reasoned and informed. It suddenly occurred to me that the most of us, like to think that we do the blind faith thingy more often than the latter. But I hereby rain on your parade, as you really do not.... Ndo.

BUT what then is it, that uplifts this notion that our faith as Christians, really ought to be blind, without true understanding?

Abraham, who the bible references more than once and is one of the most obvious embodiments of faith, due to his pliancy when it came to sacrificing his dear Isaac, followed God’s order, using his powers of reason- not blind faith. Based on what he knew of God, he thought things through. He knew God’s nature as a faithful God and remembers God’s promise to raise up a nation through Isaac. Now, Isaac could very well be brought back from the dead to fulfill God's word, no? Abraham knew God could do that and so acted accordingly-- on a reasoned and informed faith.

Owning the ability to think and reason is not something to fear or remove yourself from. It is after all a gift that is both God given and affirmed by St. Paul, who encouraged us to ask God for wisdom which "He gives generously to all without finding fault". IMO, it can even be offensive then, if not put to use.

We might not always be opportune to see crystal clearly, the grand scheme of things and might be expected to roll with the tide, exercising faith, but that doesn't always mean it is blind. For we do that from a position of trust, based on all the knowledge we have of God that has been conveyed to us by teachers, personal and others' testimonies or experience series.

LordReed:


How can you trust something that has no way to prove its reliability or in certain cases has been shown to be no different from natural processes?

Rocktation:


God is Nature. He is the totality of existence itself. And His reliability is never in question. Perhaps only to those who are stubborn to acknowledge it. We can't always be bothered by such people now, can we?

Every aboki with him kettle.

LordReed:


If god is nature why does nature need worship? Or belief any how?

Sure you don't need to be bothered by people who don't acknowledge your god as long as you don't bother us in return.

LordReed:


If god is nature why does nature need worship? Or belief any how?

Sure you don't need to be bothered by people who don't acknowledge your god as long as you don't bother us in return.

Rocktation:


God needs worship? Lolzz.
Really, I give it to people that respond to your scoffs. You lot are funny, walahi.

Do you, my man. I busy.

KnownUnknown:


The most glaring problem with their “god is nature” nonsense is that they unwittingly exclude humans or things they find disagreeable about nature. Some include humans and say “god is the universe having a human experience” but when you ask if god has “virus experience”, they call YOU crazy!!!

Rocktation:


Is English your first language?
Lemme try again;
I'm saying-- Faith is an umbrella term for Blind Faith and Reasoned/Informed Faith...End of. From my human perspective, of course. Capeesh?

It is exactly as I have said it...Don't nitpick to make conversation or try to find imagined slights or connotations that are nonexistent.

LordReed:


How can you trust something that has no way to prove its reliability or in certain cases has been shown to be no different from natural processes?

LordReed:


If god is nature why does nature need worship?...

Dtruthspeaker:


Change of Post!

The topic is reliability and trust and not worship.

LordReed:


If god is nature why does nature need worship? Or belief any how?