Dtruthspeaker:


The first time a plane flew and landed, most people did not trust it.

Same for walking on high sky walks.

But Trust comes from Seeing what happened to your neighbour and willingness to personally test and see.

LordReed:


How does not trusting in a piece of technology stop it from working for you?

LordReed:

Or belief any how?

LordReed:

[How can you trust something that has no way to prove its reliability...

Dtruthspeaker:


You are the one introducing "belief" when the topic is "Trust".

Dtruthspeaker:


The issue is "Trust".

Working and not working for you only comes after you have taken the step of steps "Trust" it.

Exactly as it is only after you have entered a plane that is ready to fly you away that we can fully begin to measure your Trust Metre.

LordReed:


What is belief?

LordReed:

People distrust technology and still use it, their distrust doesn't stop it from working. Some people distrust planes yet they still fly in them, the plane doesn't stop working because they distrust it..

Steep:
Atheism exercises blind faith, because atheism believes something can come out of nothing without evidence.

Dtruthspeaker:


My comment here was based on trust being the issue.

I remember I addressed this in one of your last year or it is probably your 2020 threads. (Last year just finished, don't think it was last year)

LordReed:


And the post I responded to indicated belief is trust so what are you objecting to really?

LordReed:


If god is nature why does nature need worship? Or belief any how?

Dtruthspeaker:


No it did not.

You attempted marrying "Trust" to "belief", knowing of course that belief is different from trust.

Therefore, I objected to the union.



"You are the one introducing "belief" when the topic is "Trust"."

As the thread clearly shows.

Rocktation:

We might not always be opportune to see crystal clearly, the grand scheme of things and might be expected to roll with the tide, exercising faith, but that doesn't always mean it is blind. For we do that from a position of trust, based on all the knowledge we have of God that has been conveyed to us by teachers, personal and others' testimonies or experience series.

Steep:
Atheism exercises blind faith, because atheism believes something can come out of nothing without evidence.

Dtruthspeaker:


Surely, the Trust Metre already settles all these for we definitely know when a person "Trusts" a thing and when he does not trust it including when he does not trust it but is compelled to rely or utilise it.

So this is not an issue, the Trust O Metre tells us all.

LordReed:

LoL! And what is this trust o metre again?

LordReed:

Anyway you have acknowledged that technology works whether you trust it or not meanwhile your god is useless to those who don't trust in a myth. Bwahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:


You know it and very familiar with how it works, so don't like you were only just born in 2021!



Same as you have just acknowledged that God is indeed Reliable and Dependable whether you accept Him or Not!

Meanwhile, you further acknowledge and confess that He can not be used at all by those who do not want to Him.

End of Road!

LordReed:


Your god is a myth so I dunno how I acknowledged that he "is indeed Reliable and Dependable whether you accept Him or Not". LoLz.

Dtruthspeaker:


Change of Post!

Topic was "Trust". Not myth.

Road Closed!

LordReed:


LMAO! Doesn't change the fact that your god is a myth. Bwahahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:


Surely, proves the fact that you are just saying shit because have nothing to say because you are a Satanist and like Satan, you are permanently Locked out of God's Kingdom.

So nothing for you.

Not even a hope

But as the Satan that you are, you must not die alone. You must die with as many foolish souls as you can catch.

Rocktation:

Is English your first language?
Lemme try again;
I'm saying-- Faith is an umbrella term for Blind Faith and Reasoned/Informed Faith...End of. From my human perspective, of course. Capeesh?
It is exactly as I have said it...Don't nitpick to make conversation or try to find imagined slights or connotations that are nonexistent.

Rocktation:
To act purely on faith is good. But you know what I find to be even more interesting? To act on testmonies. In some sense, I could well be talking about the same thing. Simply put, the matter of faith goes deeper.

Faith could be blind on the one hand and on another, reasoned and informed. It suddenly occurred to me that the most of us, like to think that we do the blind faith thingy more often than the latter. But I hereby rain on your parade, as you really do not.... Ndo.

BUT what then is it, that uplifts this notion that our faith as Christians, really ought to be blind, without true understanding?

Abraham, who the bible references more than once and is one of the most obvious embodiments of faith, due to his pliancy when it came to sacrificing his dear Isaac, followed God’s order, using his powers of reason- not blind faith. Based on what he knew of God, he thought things through. He knew God’s nature as a faithful God and remembers God’s promise to raise up a nation through Isaac. Now, Isaac could very well be brought back from the dead to fulfill God's word, no? Abraham knew God could do that and so acted accordingly-- on a reasoned and informed faith.

Owning the ability to think and reason is not something to fear or remove yourself from. It is after all a gift that is both God given and affirmed by St. Paul, who encouraged us to ask God for wisdom which "He gives generously to all without finding fault". IMO, it can even be offensive then, if not put to use.

We might not always be opportune to see crystal clearly, the grand scheme of things and might be expected to roll with the tide, exercising faith, but that doesn't always mean it is blind. For we do that from a position of trust, based on all the knowledge we have of God that has been conveyed to us by teachers, personal and others' testimonies or
experience series.

Rocktation:
To act purely on faith is good. But you know what I find to be even more interesting? To act on testmonies. In some sense, I could well be talking about the same thing. Simply put, the matter of faith goes deeper.

Faith could be blind on the one hand and on another, reasoned and informed. It suddenly occurred to me that the most of us, like to think that we do the blind faith thingy more often than the latter. But I hereby rain on your parade, as you really do not.... Ndo.

BUT what then is it, that uplifts this notion that our faith as Christians, really ought to be blind, without true understanding?

Abraham, who the bible references more than once and is one of the most obvious embodiments of faith, due to his pliancy when it came to sacrificing his dear Isaac, followed God’s order, using his powers of reason- not blind faith. Based on what he knew of God, he thought things through. He knew God’s nature as a faithful God and remembers God’s promise to raise up a nation through Isaac. Now, Isaac could very well be brought back from the dead to fulfill God's word, no? Abraham knew God could do that and so acted accordingly-- on a reasoned and informed faith.

Owning the ability to think and reason is not something to fear or remove yourself from. It is after all a gift that is both God given and affirmed by St. Paul, who encouraged us to ask God for wisdom which "He gives generously to all without finding fault". IMO, it can even be offensive then, if not put to use.

We might not always be opportune to see crystal clearly, the grand scheme of things and might be expected to roll with the tide, exercising faith, but that doesn't always mean it is blind. For we do that from a position of trust, based on all the knowledge we have of God that has been conveyed to us by teachers, personal and others' testimonies or experience series.

xproducer:
+++
Indeed!
Hebrews Chapter 11 - "the faith chapter"!
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1
"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6
"Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.” - Hebrews 10:38
"For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.” - Romans 1:17

Rocktation:
■To act purely on faith is good. But you know what I find to be even more interesting? To act on testmonies. In some sense, I could well be talking about the same thing. Simply put, the matter of faith goes deeper.
■ Faith could be blind on the one hand and on another, reasoned and informed. It suddenly occurred to me that the most of us, like to think that we do the blind faith thingy more often than the latter. But I hereby rain on your parade, as you really do not.... Ndo. BUT what then is it, that uplifts this notion that our faith as Christians, really ought to be blind, without true understanding?
■ Abraham, who the bible references more than once and is one of the most obvious embodiments of faith, due to his pliancy when it came to sacrificing his dear Isaac, followed God’s order, using his powers of reason- not blind faith. Based on what he knew of God, he thought things through. He knew God’s nature as a faithful God and remembers God’s promise to raise up a nation through Isaac. Now, Isaac could very well be brought back from the dead to fulfill God's word, no? Abraham knew God could do that and so acted accordingly-- on a reasoned and informed faith.
■ Owning the ability to think and reason is not something to fear or remove yourself from. It is after all a gift that is both God given and affirmed by St. Paul, who encouraged us to ask God for wisdom which "He gives generously to all without finding fault". IMO, it can even be offensive then, if not put to use. We might not always be opportune to see crystal clearly, the grand scheme of things and might be expected to roll with the tide, exercising faith, but that doesn't always mean it is blind. For we do that from a position of trust, based on all the knowledge we have of God that has been conveyed to us by teachers, personal and others' testimonies or experience series.

Truvelisback:
I did get what u explained. Alright, If i get u clearly, u are simply tell us what genuine faith is all abt. I.e Not by sight rather by insight.

CrazyMan:
■ You can only exercise blind Faith when you know God personally.
■ Abraham knew God personally, so it was very easy for him to exercise blind Faith cos he heard clearly from God. Even in the Bible, most of the characters exercised their faith based on their working relationship with God.
■ Christians of today live their lives based on whatever their pastors tell them and not what they were able to hear from God based on their relationship with him. That's why blind Faith these days usually lead to unproductive results, cos you're acting based on another man's instructions and not God's instructions.

CrazyMan:
■ You obviously missed the point I was trying to make. By following God's direct instructions like Abraham when God told him to leave his father's land, was a blind Faith to people around him, because he had no idea where he was leading them. But it wasn't a blind Faith to him (Abraham) because he was following the direct instructions from God. People around you might not understand certain actions you take cos they're blind to the path way God has prepared for you...where the problem lies is when you're exercising blind Faith on man's instructions eg. Your pastor or spiritual leader.

LordReed:
■ How can you trust something that has no way to prove its reliability or in certain cases has been shown to be no different from natural processes?

Kobojunkie:
Faith simply means trusting and obeying the Constitution of the Land — that is what faith is.

LordReed:
■ Why do I need to trust the Constitution of the Land?