Christistruth00:



Olu317 you do know that the Olubadan is a Subject King of the Alaafin of Oyo don't you ?

Excuse me Ethnic Oyos know Ibadan are mostly Oyos almost all Oyo State and much of Osun State are Ethnic Oyos

Ibadan was a Massive Oyo Refugee Camp that became a Super Star through Gods Grace and Mercy after the Fulani Jihads invasion of Old Oyo sent

Oyo People fleeing into all directions of the Wind

There are many Yoruba migrants into Ibadan but after chasing out the Egbas and Ife the Oyos ran the show and controlled the Town , Ibadan was originally founded by a very fatherly Ife Man called Lagelu who also had an Oyo Mother, then the Egbas Settled next before the Oyo refugees got there after being welcomed by Lagelu and later chased everyone else away after a misunderstanding ( Yoruba need a lot of Prayers )

After being Chased from Ibadan the Egbas founded Abeokuta and hit the big time on the Coast of Lagos that was when the Ibadan now thought let us kuku takeover all the way to the Sea Coast but the Egbas were like you already chased us out of Ibafan and you are Certainly not going to takeover Abeokuta and Egbaland you Oyos have pushed us to the wall and we are not taking it anymore that was when Egba People like Lisabi came to prominence

Note that when the Oyos took over Ibadan they commandeered and took over the Wives of the Egbas as well so the Egbas had a very big beef against the Oyos of Ibadan that lasted well into the last Century

Go and Check the Kiriji Treaty of 1878 Alaafin signed as overlord of the Ibadans, Ijaye and all Ethnic Oyos

The Masquerade you are talking about came to Ibadan when an Exiled high ranking Ibadan Warlord who in Exile became the defacto Military ruler of the Akoko Area returned back home to Ibadan in his old age with the Masquerade in his entourage it was because of the Military Prowess of Chief Ayorinde that the Fulani failed to penetrate the Akoko Area

Benin Supplied Ibadan Arms during the Ekiti Parapo War because the Egbas of Abeokuta and the Ijebu were also at War with Ibadan

at exactly the same time

Or do you expect the Egbas of Abeokuta and Ijebu to supply Firearms to the Ibadan who are busy fighting them to takeover their
Land and Seacoast


The Ibadan got some supplies from Badagry and Porto Novo Which were under the Alaafin of Oyo but the Egbas kept on attacking the Ibadans route to Badagry and cutting off their supply lines so Ibadan turned to Benin for Supplies also Kiriji the battlefield was almost the same distance to Benin as it was to Badagry but with the Benin route being much safer

There was big money involved in trading with the Ibadan Army and Benin was willing to fill the gap while Ibadan was busy fighting the Egba and Ijebu who were also Ibadans usual Weapon suppliers apart from the Badagry area

Olubadan was not a subject of Alaafin without the consent of Ileife. Yoruba history fromileife the source do not have misleading information as some writers had done.

Alaafin was a powerful king before its empire's fall during Afọnja egocentric attitude that led to Oluewu's death, Afọnja himself and others.

And when Ọyọ was destroyed, Alaafin moved down south,so also refugees who fled to regroup because their own had betrayed the Yoruba people which led to diminished power of Alaafin.

This was around 1820s-1830s, which heralded the baalẹ̀ of ibadan to raise to power due to swell in the Yoruba standing army. Thereafter, Oshogbo war 1840 which gave these warriors from different family background to rise to dominance.

Hence, Alaafin had no power anymore during these period. Ibadan unceremoniously became radical without Yoruba's well oriented system whichledtothe war in 1860s and eventual mother of all war in1877 till it ended .

This war gave Lagos returnees freed slaves , Ijebus, missionaries the opportunity to help supply arms to warring factions until it was nib on board.

Though through the same missionaries, the war ended. This led Alaafin to claim lord of all Yoruba king by conniving with five other people in early1900s to sign up a document giving up sovereignty of Yorubas to British colonist.


It was until the british saw that Ooni whom had been referencef in past and with respect accorded to him by other obas who refused Alaafin's position as the head king of all Yorubas that truth saw the light of the day.


In effect, the era Alaafin commanded respect in Ibadan was different from the latter that many warrior princes arrived Ibadan to increase the population and waged war against Ilorin warriors to humiliation.

Olu317:
Olubadan was not a subject of Alaafin without the consent of Ileife. Yoruba history fromileife the source do not have misleading information as some writers had done.

Alaafin was a powerful king before its empire's fall during Afọnja egocentric attitude that led to Oluewu's death, Afọnja himself and others.

And when Ọyọ was destroyed, Alaafin moved down south,so also refugees who fled to regroup because their own had betrayed the Yoruba people which led to diminished power of Alaafin.

This was around 1820s-1830s, which heralded the baalẹ̀ of ibadan to raise to power due to swell in the Yoruba standing army. Thereafter, Oshogbo war 1840 which gave these warriors from different family background to rise to dominance.

Hence, Alaafin had no power anymore during these period. Ibadan unceremoniously became radical without Yoruba's well oriented system whichledtothe war in 1860s and eventual mother of all war in1877 till it ended .

This war gave Lagos returnees freed slaves , Ijebus, missionaries the opportunity to help supply arms to warring factions until it was nib on board.

Though through the same missionaries, the war ended. This led Alaafin to claim lord of all Yoruba king by conniving with five other people in early1900s to sign up a document giving up sovereignty of Yorubas to British colonies


It was until the british saw that Ooni whom had been referencef in past and with respect accorded to him by other obas who refused Alaafin's position as the head king of all Yorubas that truth saw the light of the day.


In effect, the era Alaafin commanded respect in Ibadan was different from the latter that many warrior princes arrived Ibadan to increase the population and waged war against Ilorin warriors to humiliation.

How come Olubadan Latoosa and Kurumi of Ijaye were also the Aare Oona Kakanfo which was an Oyo Position ?

Oyo was an Empire when Old Oyo fell the Oyo simply relocated their Capital to new Oyo. where the rest of the Oyo Empire continued to pay tribute and homage to the Alaafin

Old Oyo fell when many of the Elite like Afonja became Power drunk and arrogant and forgot the History of how in the 15th Century the Nupe had invaded Oyo and ruled it for 85 years until Alaafin orompoto who was also the only female Alaafin had succeeded in defeating the Nupe by using Cavalry Horses Which she had imported from Timbuktu. Alaafin orompoto also successFully seized much of Nupe Territory up the River Niger at the same time and incorporated it into Yorubaland

Orompoto was still a regent to the Throne when she successfully defeated the Nupe and took back Old Oyo together with much Nupe Territory and for that feat she was Crowned Alaafin

The fall of Katunga (Old Oyo) did not end the Oyo Empire the Capital relocated to new Oyo with Alaafin Atiba and Ibadan became the main Political and Military Headquarters that was why Oluyole was Basorun of Oyo at the same time he was the Olubadan

That was why Toyeje ruled as king in Ogbomosho at the same time as being the Aare Oona Kakanfo of Oyo

For example Abeokuta is not the only Town in Egbaland if Abeokuta the Capital of Egbaland falls but theking and Chiefs relocate to another Egba Town from where they Continue fighting you cannot truly say Egbaland has fallen because the Alake Still Controls the rest of Egbaland

There are at least 16 Yoruba Kingdoms Alaafin rules over Yoruba of Oyo Ethnic Stock when the British Arrived they discovered that around 70% of Yoruba Population not Land were under the Alaafin or Subject to him in some way

But Ooni is the number one Yoruba King even Alaafin is under him

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Abohboy:


Yes Voodoo in Haiti is from Vodun of the Fon people in Benin there's nothing to lie about

Im not talking about voodoo
I'm talking of the theory that Yoruba slaves were last
That is a clear lie

And do you know that voodoo is even influenced by isese
Do you know that ogun is in vodun?

Olu317:
You believed that highlighted ? Honestly Yoruba history from Oyo is 100% bias. Chai, name all the well established kingdoms and point to the ones who comes to pay homage to that Alaafin as vassals states or brotherly visit

Alaafin that has no crown ? Who was given a Crown by Oranmiyan which was collected from another descendant of Oramfe.

The Saying" Lade lade Lade " was modified to Adopt The Latter Tittle Alaafin.
Kings of Oyo were not called so until 1837.

They were known as Olu Oyo, Contracted to Oloyo. The reason for the Tittle Alaafin is that it has to do with the Pedgree that follows the tittle, Like Orangun was also called Olofin Eyin Iwaran, Elekole was know as Olofin Egbo, All the 8 grandsons of the Oduduwa were called Olofin with a suffix

The Tittle was latter Used repeatedly in the late 1800, by the Writers of the Yoruba History, Mostly to point to a" Right"

Oranmiyan did not give any of his sons Crown
And on an Occasion of a general Celebration at Ife when all Rulers will have to report back home, Ajaka came to Ife, and the Oramfe children too, as well as the Obatalas.


Though Ajaka was leading the Eyeo settlement, no Crown was apportioned to him.
Olufon Orolu came from Ifon, His son Also came from Adikun , And on the day of the General assembly. Both Olufon the father, and Aladikun the son's, came to the assembly and according to their traditions, Crowns were displayed before any of the Obatalas Princes

So they came adorned with with Crown, and six others were displayed before them.After the Assembly Ajaka whose father was apparently the then Ooni was Alive and rule all the Land .
He move toward the Olufon , after exchanging pleasantries, He did the same to Aladikun.

And he then decisively Picked one of the Crowns Belonging to Olufon, his points was clear, to the Elders, and with the consent of Ajaka's father, The Crown was given to Ajaka that day, but Olufon collected his Crown back. But he took one from his Son Aladikun and gave it to Ajaka.

So the Crown though Originally belong to Aladikun son of the Olufon Orolu, and the grand son to the Olufe Obatala,was however handed over to Ajasa Ajuwon, son of the Jegbe Odede alias Oranmiyan. Courtesy Ootu Class

So,stop over praising what is not. It is a fact Alaafin empire gave credence to Yoruba land but do not overstretch it.

So in your own estimation what percentage of Yoruba did Alaafin rule over ?
The Unity of the Yoruba and Humility with Wisdom is the most important the least Yoruba Kingdom and the Most Prominent Yoruba kingdom must be treated the same all are Yorubas none is superior to any other they are all the same the arrogance that led to the fall of Old Oyo must never be repeated again

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Christistruth00:


So in your own estimation what percentage of Yoruba did Alaafin rule over ?
The Unity of the Yoruba and Humility with Wisdom is the most important the least Yoruba Kingdom and the Most Prominent Yoruba kingdom must be treated the same all are Yorubas none is superior to any other they are all the same the arrogance that led to the fall of Old Oyo must never be repeated again

The absolute peak of Oyo was 1870. Beside, estimated location Oyo had influence rather than being suzerainty over were Northern Yoruba land. While using other kingdoms such as Ketou,Popo, Sabe to control Fongbe-Dahomey,Gun, Ewe etc through to land of Atakpame and beyond.

Importantly, Oyo created military garrisons in different places and thus collected some form of taxes from some kingdoms which were due to the controlled route to doing business transactions with non Yoruba through Lokoja.

Nevertheless,sanity and rule of law were held in high esteem which were worthy of note to mention. While connsidering reason for the fall of Oyo as it seems,were basically two: Overbearing authority of Oyo Mesi(borne of ancient Ogboni) and unchecked interaction/migration of non Yorubas in to Yoruba land which made her vulnerable.

Nonetheless, none of such will ever happened again because Oyo as an empire were built with the blood of all Yoruba clans historically, so when I see some people chanting Oyo praises without full Yoruba recognition as if she came down from hill top to Yoruba land.

It was as a result of Oyo's fall ,Ibadan picked the identity of all comers are equal from late 1820s. This indeed s the reason Yoruba people know and learned from previous mistake that unity is paramount in all ramification. Afterall, Kiriji war was termed the last war "mother of all wars."

Olu317:
The absolute peak of Oyo was 1870. Beside, estimated location Oyo had influence rather than being suzerainty over were Northern Yoruba land. While using other kingdoms such as Ketou,Popo, Sabe to control Fongbe-Dahomey,Gun, Ewe etc through to land of Atakpame and beyond.

Importantly, Oyo created military garrisons in different places and thus collected some form of taxes from some kingdoms which were due to the controlled route to doing business transactions with non Yoruba through Lokoja.

Nevertheless,sanity and rule of law were held in high esteem which were worthy of note to mention. While connsidering reason for the fall of Oyo as it seems,were basically two: Overbearing authority of Oyo Mesi(borne of ancient Ogboni) and unchecked interaction/migration of non Yorubas in to Yoruba land which made her vulnerable.

Nonetheless, none of such will ever happened again because Oyo as an empire were built with the blood of all Yoruba clans historically, so when I see some people chanting Oyo praises without full Yoruba recognition as if she came down from hill top to Yoruba land.

It was as a result of Oyo's fall ,Ibadan picked the identity of all comers are equal from late 1820s. This indeed s the reason Yoruba people know and learned from previous mistake that unity is paramount in all ramification. Afterall, Kiriji war was termed the last war "mother of all wars."

Olu you said alaafin does not have a crown.. but alaafin is a descendant of oranmiyan.

I also heard some alaafin can’t remember which, who claimed that ooni was a child of oduduwa’s affair with one of his slaves and as such is not a legitimate king

So it seems oyo and Ife have argued about who is the rightful king for some time

The Yorubas are noisemakers, they write revisionist history now and then to boost their ego forgetting that we are in the jet age era.

Oghighirhighi:
The Yorubas are noisemakers, they write revisionist history now and then to boost their ego forgetting that we are in the jet age era.

Either contribute constructively or avoid this thread Abeg

I didn’t intend this to be a d.ick measuring contest between cultures

peace

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Christistruth00:



Olu317 you do know that the Olubadan is a Subject King of the Alaafin of Oyo don't you ?

Excuse me Ethnic Oyos know Ibadan are mostly Oyos almost all Oyo State and much of Osun State are Ethnic Oyos

Ibadan was a Massive Oyo Refugee Camp that became a Super Star through Gods Grace and Mercy after the Fulani Jihads invasion of Old Oyo sent

Oyo People fleeing into all directions of the Wind

There are many Yoruba migrants into Ibadan but after chasing out the Egbas and Ife the Oyos ran the show and controlled the Town , Ibadan was originally founded by a very fatherly Ife Man called Lagelu who also had an Oyo Mother, then the Egbas Settled next before the Oyo refugees got there after being welcomed by Lagelu and later chased everyone else away after a misunderstanding ( Yoruba need a lot of Prayers )

After being Chased from Ibadan the Egbas founded Abeokuta and hit the big time on the Coast of Lagos that was when the Ibadan now thought let us kuku takeover all the way to the Sea Coast but the Egbas were like you already chased us out of Ibafan and you are Certainly not going to takeover Abeokuta and Egbaland you Oyos have pushed us to the wall and we are not taking it anymore that was when Egba People like Lisabi came to prominence

Note that when the Oyos took over Ibadan they commandeered and took over the Wives of the Egbas as well so the Egbas had a very big beef against the Oyos of Ibadan that lasted well into the last Century

Go and Check the Kiriji Treaty of 1878 Alaafin signed as overlord of the Ibadans, Ijaye and all Ethnic Oyos

The Masquerade you are talking about came to Ibadan when an Exiled high ranking Ibadan Warlord who in Exile became the defacto Military ruler of the Akoko Area returned back home to Ibadan in his old age with the Masquerade in his entourage it was because of the Military Prowess of Chief Ayorinde that the Fulani failed to penetrate the Akoko Area

Benin Supplied Ibadan Arms during the Ekiti Parapo War because the Egbas of Abeokuta and the Ijebu were also at War with Ibadan

at exactly the same time

Or do you expect the Egbas of Abeokuta and Ijebu to supply Firearms to the Ibadan who are busy fighting them to takeover their
Land and Seacoast


The Ibadan got some supplies from Badagry and Porto Novo Which were under the Alaafin of Oyo but the Egbas kept on attacking the Ibadans route to Badagry and cutting off their supply lines so Ibadan turned to Benin for Supplies also Kiriji the battlefield was almost the same distance to Benin as it was to Badagry but with the Benin route being much safer

There was big money involved in trading with the Ibadan Army and Benin was willing to fill the gap while Ibadan was busy fighting the Egba and Ijebu who were also Ibadans usual Weapon suppliers apart from the Badagry area

Thanks for this breakdown!

I had heard that we oyo’s had to fight the egbas/ijebu with swords in some
Instances due to the lack of guns

Moorish:

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Thanks for this breakdown!

I had heard that we oyo’s had to fight the egbas/ijebu with swords in some
Instances due to the lack of guns

Yes that was part of what forced the Oyo’s to become very good Military Strategists

At that time they tried to use Geographic locations and Topography to their advantage

by hiding in between thick forest and Rocks and Springing upon the Ijebu and Egbas especially in places

where the typography forced the Ijebu and Egba into a Single line formation to be able to pass through

Or in Locations where the Egbas and Ijebu would be forced to fight with their backs to a River leaving

them with nowhere to Escape to after they ran out of Amunition

the Oyos also used their Bows and Arrows while hiding out of Sight to

make Sure their opponents used up all their Amunition aiming at the Wrong Targets before finally

Springing on them with Swords

Christistruth00:


Yes that was part of what forced the Oyo’s to become very good Military Strategists

At that time they tried to use Geographic locations and Topography to their advantage

by hiding in between thick forest and Rocks and Springing upon the Ijebu and Egbas especially in places

where the typography forced the Ijebu and Egba into a Single line formation to be able to pass through

Or in Locations where the Egbas and Ijebu would be forced to fight with their backs to a River leaving

them with nowhere to Escape to after they ran out of Amunition

the Oyos also used their Bows and Arrows while hiding out of Sight to

make Sure their opponents used up all their Amunition aiming at the Wrong Targets before finally

Springing on them with Swords

That’s a highly impressive feat o

With ijebu/egba’s advantage (access to the guns from the Atlantic coast) one would have anticipated their total victory, oyo tried to hold them off with just swords and bows n arrows!

I also heard The significance of the egbado corridor in this war. What did that mean? Did the egbado’s also sabotage our desire to access the trade on the Atlantic ?

Also why didn’t we try ajase (Porto novo) ?

Moorish:

That’s a highly impressive feat o

With ijebu/egba’s advantage (access to the guns from the Atlantic coast) one would have anticipated their total victory, oyo tried to hold them off with just swords and bows n arrows!

I also heard The significance of the egbado corridor in this war. What did that mean? Did the egbado’s also sabotage our desire to access the trade on the Atlantic ?

Also why didn’t we try ajase (Porto novo) ?

The Egbado People especially of Ilaro were Originally Oyos whom the Alaafin had put in Charge of protecting the route to the Sea Coast at Badagry and Ajase but there was a point at which the Dahomey under king Ghezo were really raiding the Area mind you both Badagry and Porto Novo were initially under the king of Dahomey but Alaafin’s Army under Aare Oona Kankanfo Oyabi won and seized them in War with the Dahomey

The Egbado we’re, doing their best to keep the Egbado Corridor safe but when the Oyos were busy fighting Power drunk Afonia and the Fulani at Ilorin ( that was when Oyo lost Cotonou and all of Dahomey Kingdom who were already searching for any slight opportunity to make a break for independence from Oyo ) and during the Kiriji Wars with the Ekiti Parapo both the Egbas and Dahomey were raiding the Egbado Corridor that led all the way to Oyo from the Coast and the Oyos were frequently unable to provide enough troop reinforcements when the Egbado were requesting for backup because the troops were busy fighting elsewhere

So although Oyo held Badagry and all the Area to Porto Novo until the British Colonisation it was subjected to frequent attacks from Dahomey and the Egbas


There was a time under Basorun Gaa when the entire Coastline from Badagry to today’s Accra in Ghana was under the Alaafin of Oyo it was the Afonja saga at Ilorin that turned the Oyo Empire upside down

While the Oyos were busy battling Afonja and the Fulani at Ilorin the Dahomey and Ewe Kingdoms seized the opportunity to make a break for independence from Oyo

Christistruth00:



The Egbado People especially of Ilaro were Originally Oyos whom the Alaafin had put in Charge of protecting the route to the Sea Coast at Badagry and Ajase but there was a point at which the Dahomey under king Ghezo were really raiding the Area mind you both Badagry and Porto Novo were initially under the king of Dahomey but Alaafin’s Army under Aare Oona Kankanfo Oyabi won and seized them in War with the Dahomey

The Egbado we’re, doing their best to keep the Egbado Corridor safe but when the Oyos were busy fighting Power drunk Afonia and the Fulani at Ilorin ( that was when Oyo lost Cotonou and all of Dahomey Kingdom who were already searching for any slight opportunity to make a break for independence from Oyo ) and during the Kiriji Wars with the Ekiti Parapo both the Egbas and Dahomey were raiding the Egbado Corridor that led all the way to Oyo from the Coast and the Oyos were frequently unable to provide enough troop reinforcements when the Egbado were requesting for backup because the troops were busy fighting elsewhere

So although Oyo held Badagry and all the Area to Porto Novo until the British Colonisation it was subjected to frequent attacks from Dahomey and the Egbas


There was a time under Basorun Gaa when the entire Coastline from Badagry to today’s Accra in Ghana was under the Alaafin of Oyo it was the Afonja saga at Ilorin that turned the Oyo Empire upside down

While the Oyos were busy battling Afonja and the Fulani at Ilorin the Dahomey and Ewe Kingdoms seized the opportunity to make a break for independence from Oyo

What sort of military attire did oyo infantry employ ? Been trying to research this but info is scant on oyo in general

I know there was a formidable cavalry, but did yoruba troops employ any sort of armors, helmets etc or it was just swords? And did we have special military garb or soldiers just wore whatever ?

By the way You are a true historian thanks for educating nairaland

That olu guy said Benin was overrated. But the people that was bought as slaves in pre colony was from Benin. Your Oyo your full Yoruba was under Benin: if not why was it recoded that slave taken from Nigeria was from Bights of Benin. You people keep twisting history.

This are some documented fact but being twist from 19thc.

Slaves that was taken from Nigeria to western world are from bight of Benin/ biafra

Twist version.
Slaves that was taken from pre colony was taken from Yoruba or Oyo.

Whenever this fools see Benin or bight of Benin they try all means to places Yoruba there or oyo just as they are written some imagination stories up and down.

Ondo and Ekiti then was dependent to benin you want map? Google west Africa map before colony check the right source view it to the place Ondo and Ekiti is in Nigeria now you will find what you looking for.

Yoruba is a Fulani word,
talking drum Came to Yoruba through Fulani
Yoruba dressing came from fulani eg asioke danshiki etc ,