This question is for the theists who say everything has a cause and also believe they have free will. Can you explain how everything having a cause does not lead to determinism, a situation where everything is already determined by what came before it. As opposed to your belief that we have freewill. How can we have freewill if whatever we do had a cause and that cause also had a cause which also had a cause and so on?

Modifying the OP with some clarifications to help understand the question better:

So another way to put the question will be how do you know your will is not being affected by the chain of events that led to your existence?

You probably have particular foods you like eating and when faced with a choice would more likely pick them over other foods. To you you are freely making that choice however my question is asking, if your ability to choose is part of a causal chain you had no hand in bringing about how do you know you are freely choosing those foods? How do you know that your predilection for those foods is not a result of the causal chain? How do you know that your choice at any given moment was not influenced by the causal chain of events that brought about the situation in which you find yourself having to make a choice?

LET THERE BE LIGHT FOR GOOD. LET US HAVE HUMANS TO SHINE GOOD LIGHTS AND LIVE TO SHOW THE GOODNESS OF GOD RIGHTEOUSLY. AND HE ESTABLISHED DOUBLE CHECK WITH TEN COMMANDMENTS TO CONTROL DETERMINISM.

HE ALSO SAYS THAT HE ALONE IS A JEALOUS SUPREME SPIRIT KNOWING WELL THAT JEALOUSY, COVETOUSNESS, DEAFNESS, DUMBNESS, GREED, DISOBEDIENCE ETCETERA ETCETERA ARE REASONS FOR THE DELUGE.

ONE EXAMPLE. BUHARI TOLD OBAMA IN 2015/2016 THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE BUREAUCRACY. THIS IS ONE CLEAR REASON HE WILL ALWAYS BE A DICTATOR AND NEVER A DEMOCRATS.

IN OTHER WORDS THE CONTROL OF DETERMINISM AND FREEWILL IS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, THE WORD OF GOD GENERALLY AND JESUS CHRIST, THE RIGHTEOUS.

FROM ORUNTO27.

orisa37:
LET THERE BE LIGHT FOR GOOD. LET US HAVE HUMANS TO SHINE GOOD LIGHTS AND LIVE TO SHOW THE GOODNESS OF GOD RIGHTEOUSLY. AND HE ESTABLISHED DOUBLE CHECK WITH TEN COMMANDMENTS TO CONTROL DETERMINISM.

HE ALSO SAYS THAT HE ALONE IS A JEALOUS SUPREME SPIRIT KNOWING WELL THAT JEALOUSY, COVETOUSNESS, DEAFNESS, DUMBNESS, GREED, DISOBEDIENCE ETCETERA ETCETERA ARE REASONS FOR THE DELUGE.

ONE EXAMPLE. BUHARI TOLD OBAMA IN 2015/2016 THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE BUREAUCRACY. THIS IS ONE CLEAR REASON HE WILL ALWAYS BE A DICTATOR AND NEVER A DEMOCRATS.

IN OTHER WORDS THE CONTROL OF DETERMINISM AND FREEWILL IS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, THE WORD OF GOD GENERALLY AND JESUS CHRIST, THE RIGHTEOUS.

FROM ORUNTO27.

FREEWILL IS OBEDIENCE TO LET THERE BE LIGHT. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IS THE CONTROL.

LordReed:
This question is for the theists who say everything has a cause and also believe they have free will. Can you explain how everything having a cause does not lead to determinism, a situation where everything is already determined by what came before it. As opposed to your belief that we have freewill. How can we have freewill if whatever we do had a cause and that cause also had a cause which also had a cause and so on?

The law of Physics say: to every action, their is a commensurate (opposite) Reaction
In layman's terms, everything has a cause

Freewill:
A man's Freedom to exercise his power to choose his cause of action within available options and its associated external constraints.
If your definition of freewill is different from this, then you use a wrong yardstick to judge what you probably do not understand.

Even animals have their own freewill!

Consciousness produces a WILL, EMOTION and INTELLECT.
With this consciousness, you are the CAUSE of the effect of your freewill and Consciousness!

If everything has a cause, the question is WHO is behind the cause?
Is it God?
Is it Man?
Is it the law of Nature?

We are the cause of what we do
We may not be the cause of what befalls us

LordReed:
This question is for the theists who say everything has a cause and also believe they have free will.

It is already beyond doubt that we have freewill.

That word "EVERYTHING" is wrong because it presumes man knows Everything. AND THAT IS NOT TRUE!

TenQ:

The law of Physics say: to every action, their is a commensurate (opposite) Reaction
In layman's terms, everything has a cause

I would amend your statement to say "on this earth" for that Law Clearly operates only earth and definitely not in space.

Dtruthspeaker:


I would amend your statement to say "on this earth" for that Law Clearly operates only earth and definitely not in space.

The law of physics operates all over the universe where time, space and energy/matter exist

TenQ:

The law of Physics say: to every action, their is a commensurate (opposite) Reaction
In layman's terms, everything has a cause

Freewill:
A man's Freedom to exercise his power to choose his cause of action within available options and its associated external constraints.
If your definition of freewill is different from this, then you use a wrong yardstick to judge what you probably do not understand.

Even animals have their own freewill!

Consciousness produces a WILL, EMOTION and INTELLECT.
With this consciousness, you are the CAUSE of the effect of your freewill and Consciousness!

If everything has a cause, the question is WHO is behind the cause?
Is it God?
Is it Man?
Is it the law of Nature?

We are the cause of what we do
We may not be the cause of what befalls us

How is your will free if it was caused by something else? Your consciousness didn't come about by your will, it was caused to come about by something else.

Dtruthspeaker:


It is already beyond doubt that we have freewill.

That word "EVERYTHING" is wrong because it presumes man knows Everything. AND THAT IS NOT TRUE!

Then you should speak to theists who say everything has a cause.

BTW you don't answer the question. How is your will free if it is caused by something else?

LordReed:


How is your will free if it was caused by something else? Your consciousness didn't come about by your will, it was caused to come about by something else.

Your definition of freewill is extremely WRONG

Freewill:
A man's Freedom to exercise his power to choose his cause of action within available options and its associated external constraints.
If your definition of freewill is different from this, then you use a wrong yardstick to judge what you probably do not understand.

Any WILL that is CAUSED by someone else is never FREE

It is called freewill because it is determined by ONESELF and not by someone else

TenQ:

The law of physics operates all over the universe where time, space and energy/matter exist

You have not been all over the universe to know this for a Truth and it is impossible for you to do so.

So the only Truth that is True which you know is restricted to this place called earth only.

Dtruthspeaker:


You have not been all over the universe to know this for a Truth and it is impossible for you to do so.

So the only Truth that is True which you know is restricted to this place called earth only.

Youll note that I have qualified it as:

TenQ:

The law of physics operates all over the universe where time, space and energy/matter exist

The laws of physics operates on time, space and matter/energy

Free will is an illusion.

TenQ:

Your definition of freewill is extremely WRONG

Freewill:
A man's Freedom to exercise his power to choose his cause of action within available options and its associated external constraints.
If your definition of freewill is different from this, then you use a wrong yardstick to judge what you probably do not understand.

Any WILL that is CAUSED by someone else is never FREE

It is called freewill because it is determined by ONESELF and not by someone else

I said your will is caused by something else so how is it free? I didn't say your will was caused by someone else.

LordReed:


Then you should speak to theists who say everything has a cause.

I do tell them and right now I am doing that.

LordReed:

BTW you don't answer the question. How is your will free if it is caused by something else?

Freewill is free because the willer is given an unfettered opportunity to choose which specific will or wills out of a collection of available options.

And no willer gives himself that power and authority HE IS GIVEN, (Caused )by His Creator.

Dtruthspeaker:


I do tell them and right now I am doing that.



Freewill is free because the willer is given an unfettered opportunity to choose which specific will or wills out of a collection of available options.

And no willer gives himself that power and authority HE IS GIVEN, (Caused )by His Creator.

Exactly, how is it free if is given by/caused by someone/something else?

TenQ:

Youll note that I have qualified it as:

The laws of physics operates on time, space and matter/energy

And I will limit to our own world of time, space, matter and energy.

But as the Bible has shown, it can be different, iron can float and wood sink, stick turned bitter waters drinkable, Our Lord lifted Himself up from the earth, the sea split and a people walked through it.

All these phenomenons break The Laws of physics even when such events happened here on the earth.

These lessons should definitely tell you that God has Several systems which are beyond our knowledge.

LordReed:


I said your will is caused by something else so how is it free? I didn't say your will was caused by someone else.

No one caused your will: you did.

Check the definition again
Freewill:
A man's Freedom to exercise his power to choose his cause of action within available options and its associated external constraints.
If your definition of freewill is different from this, then you use a wrong yardstick to judge what you probably do not understand.

Any WILL that is CAUSED by someone else is never FREE
Something cannot cause someones will because something is NOT ALIVE

Guns don't kill people, People do!

Dtruthspeaker:


And I will limit to our own world of time, space, matter and energy.

But as the Bible has shown, it can be different, iron can float and wood sink, stick turned bitter waters drinkable, Our Lord lifted Himself up from the earth, the sea split and a people walked through it.

All these phenomenons break The Laws of physics even when such events happened here on the earth.

These lessons should definitely tell you that God has Several systems which are beyond our knowledge.

Spiritual laws are higher than physical laws. Physics does not deal with any law that is higher than physical

TenQ:

Spiritual laws are higher than physical laws. Physics does not deal with any law that is higher than physical

Yes, this is True, but we know that Everything starts from God's Hand or Mouth (Spiritual) before it Manifests here. (Physical)

Thus, the spiritual dictates and rules the physical.

So Anything and Everything is Possible In The Hand and Mouth of The Lord, but however, we care confined by what we have seen and experience.

That is as far as we can go Truth wise.

LordReed:


Exactly, how is it free if is given by/caused by someone/something else?

It is free because YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN UNFETTERED OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE SOMETHING OR SOMETHINGS OUT OF A COLLECTION OF CHOOSES/CHOICES/OPTIONS.

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, this is True, but we know that Everything starts from God's Hand or Mouth (Spiritual) before it Manifests here. (Physical)

Thus, the spiritual dictates and rules the physical.

So Anything and Everything is Possible In The Hand and Mouth of The Lord, but however, we care confined by what we have seen and experience.

That is as far as we can go Truth wise.

Of cause.
God is a God of order and laws. He set the laws that govern the universe. The study of the relationships between those laws is what we know as science.

LordReed:


How is your will free if it was caused by something else? Your consciousness didn't come about by your will, it was caused to come about by something else.

Your consciousness is YOURS!
It's a gift that make you independent even of your maker should you choose

LordReed:
This question is for the theists who say everything has a cause and also believe they have free will. Can you explain how everything having a cause does not lead to determinism, a situation where everything is already determined by what came before it. As opposed to your belief that we have freewill. How can we have freewill if whatever we do had a cause and that cause also had a cause which also had a cause and so on?

I hope you are not hoping to get answers with reason from any theist here?

Theism lack reasoning by default, so expect them to shift the goal post forever

We don't know it as a fact that everything has a cause, and free will is an illusion.

TenQ:

The law of Physics say: to every action, their is a commensurate (opposite) Reaction
In layman's terms, everything has a cause

Freewill:
A man's Freedom to exercise his power to choose his cause of action within available options and its associated external constraints.
If your definition of freewill is different from this, then you use a wrong yardstick to judge what you probably do not understand.

Even animals have their own freewill!

Consciousness produces a WILL, EMOTION and INTELLECT.
With this consciousness, you are the CAUSE of the effect of your freewill and Consciousness!

If everything has a cause, the question is WHO is behind the cause?
Is it God?
Is it Man?
Is it the law of Nature?

We are the cause of what we do
We may not be the cause of what befalls us

You lack basic physics knowledge, this law breaks down at high speed and enormous gravity.

You have started with your junk physics again. Have you ever heard of theory of relativity? If you have then you won’t be using Newtonian law do describe what happens in the universe but of course, you are scientifically illiterate.

Workch:
You lack basic physics knowledge, this law breaks down at high speed and enormous gravity.

You have started with your junk physics again. Have you ever heard of theory if relativity? If you have then you won’t be using Newtonian law do describe what happens in the universe but of course, you are scientifically illiterate.

The law of Physics Workch say: to every action, their is a NO commensurate (opposite) Reaction
In layman's terms, everything many things have a NO cause!

I have rephrased it since the former make no sense to you.

Good night

TenQ:

The law of Physics Workch say: to every action, their is a NO commensurate (opposite) Reaction
In layman's terms, everything has a NO cause!

I have rephrased it since the former make no sense to you.

Good night

He's right. Your knowledge of Physics is elementary.

Read up on Quantum Physics, Relativity, Minkowski Geometry to gain a deeper understanding of the nature of reality. You're limited to Classical/Newtonian Physics, which is an introductory aspect.

TenQ:

The law of Physics Workch say: to every action, their is a NO commensurate (opposite) Reaction
In layman's terms, everything many things have a NO cause!

I have rephrased it since the former make no sense to you.

Good night

Your problem is that you don’t want to learn.
How can you be using Newton’s laws of motion to demonstrates stuffs in the universe? It doesn’t work there, it will give you wrong values.
Even the more sophisticated theory of relativity breaks down in the quantum world. It’s like you still live in the 19th century.

A001:

He's right. Your knowledge of Physics is elementary.

Read up on Quantum Physics, Relativity, Minkowski Geometry to gain a deeper understanding of the nature of reality. You're limited to Classical/Newtonian Physics, which is an introductory aspect.

Some people feel that all the laws of physics can be summarized as one single statement and they begin to throw tantrums when a law of physics is not condensed to representing every law in one single phrase.

SInce you are an expert in Physics, please present a unified law of physics in one phrase rather than being so vague to demand a merger of Newtonian physics, quantum physics, nuclear physics etc in one single statement

Workch:
Your problem is that you don’t want to learn.
How can you be using Newton’s laws of motion to demonstrates stuffs in the universe? It doesn’t work there, it will give you wrong values.
Even the more sophisticated theory of relativity breaks down in the quantum world. It’s like you still live in the 19th century.

A wise person will not only shout "two legs bad, four legs good" but will present the UNIFIED laws in one single phrase and the case would be settled.

BTW: Dtruthspeaker is a physicist I should have spoken to him with all the required supporting EQUATIONS and theorems
SMH!

TenQ:

A wise person will not only shout "two legs bad, four legs good" but will present the UNIFIED laws in one single phrase and the case would be settled.

BTW: Dtruthspeaker is a physicist I should have spoken to him with all the required supporting EQUATIONS and theorems
SMH!

There is nothing like unified law of physics yet.
Just stop using the archaic Newtonian laws to make whatever point you want to make, that law is myopic and only works on earth. It breaks down in most parts of space. Take the correction and move on.

I don’t know who’s asking you about unified law of physics here.