donborg:


Warped logic for the agitators of Niger delta republic.
Have an Igbo man or Itsekiri man or Urhobo man become President before? No
If the oil belongs to the Ijaw, GEJ would have taken all the oil Wells and given it to the Ijaws instead of the meagre N40,000 payments to you sea militants in Nigeria, Cameroon, Equitorial guinea, Sierra Leone, Ghana and Togo.

Guy, are you okay or just drunk?

What's all this chidish talk wey no get head or tail wey you dey type?

donborg:


Warped logic for the agitators of Niger delta republic.
Have an Igbo man or Itsekiri man or Urhobo man become President before? No
If the oil belongs to the Ijaw, GEJ would have taken all the oil Wells and given it to the Ijaws instead of the meagre N40,000 payments to you sea militants in Nigeria, Cameroon, Equitorial guinea, Sierra Leone, Ghana and Togo.

No Ijaw militant receive 40 000.
That's half of the lowest militant money.

Igboid, Bkayy, 9pluto, Slayerforever, vintagepipes, East and the rest..... You guys will not actually appreciate the beauty you produced on this thread until much later. This thread is providing an absolute goldmine of information for a dispute going on in the subject location right now. I can see references etc.
This is to the point where Alagoa's flawed history was even acknowledged.

Ekealterego:
Igboid, Bkayy, 9pluto, Slayerforever, vintagepipes, East and the rest..... You guys will not actually appreciate the beauty you produced on this thread until much later. This thread is providing an absolute goldmine of information for a dispute going on in the subject location right now. I can see references etc.
This is to the point where Alagoa's flawed history was even acknowledged.

Yeah, it's a goldmine for references. Kudos to all Igbo nationalist.

Ekealterego:
Igboid, Bkayy, 9pluto, Slayerforever, vintagepipes, East and the rest..... You guys will not actually appreciate the beauty you produced on this thread until much later. This thread is providing an absolute goldmine of information for a dispute going on in the subject location right now. I can see references etc.
This is to the point where Alagoa's flawed history was even acknowledged.

Thanks bro. The idea was to force Nigerians(Bonny and Opobo people) to stop living a lie based on fabrications. It is a challenge for them to start asking critical questions and dig up history.
When Captain Hugh Crow of Liverpool was documenting his memoir over 200years ago, he didn't know he was writing for the future. May his soul continue to rest in perfect peace, Amen.

9Pluto:


Thanks bro. The idea was to force Nigerians(Bonny and Opobo people) to stop living a lie based on fabrications. It is a challenge for them to start asking critical questions and dig up history.
When Captain Hugh Crow of Liverpool was documenting his memoir over 200years ago, he didn't know he was writing for the future. May his soul continue to rest in perfect peace, Amen.

I swear for the very first time in a long time, the powerful chiefs and houses are referencing the same snippets we uploaded from those historical books. referencing Alagbarinye from the Ibo hinterland as a founder etc. Making reference and doubting the legitimacy of Alagoa's history. etc: I was like wow, some of these were completely not talked about out of fear. Even fully acknowledging the prevalence and originality of Igbo as the language of the Islan and not the "language of slaves" as these post-war people have tried to institutionalise.

Ekealterego:

I swear for the very first time in a long time, the powerful chiefs and houses are referencing the same snippets we uploaded from those historical books. referencing Alagbarinye from the Ibo hinterland as a founder etc. Making reference and doubting the legitimacy of Alagoa's history. etc: I was like wow, some of these were completely not talked about out of fear. Even fully acknowledging the prevalence and originality of Igbo as the language of the Islan and not the "language of slaves" as these post-war people have tried to institutionalise.

Yeah, I was suprised to reading that Press Release. I think as the years go by we might begin to see a lot of folks add their voices to the true and hidden history of their ancestors.

Ekealterego:

I swear for the very first time in a long time, the powerful chiefs and houses are referencing the same snippets we uploaded from those historical books. referencing Alagbarinye from the Ibo hinterland as a founder etc. Making reference and doubting the legitimacy of Alagoa's history. etc: I was like wow, some of these were completely not talked about out of fear. Even fully acknowledging the prevalence and originality of Igbo as the language of the Islan and not the "language of slaves" as these post-war people have tried to institutionalise.

Eke Eke. We keep going. Aluta Continua...

Ekealterego:

They test the waters to watch reactions. They do this when their old shenanigans loses its potency and not effective again. They are always looking for new materials, insults and propaganda that will stick.
This particular one is powered by the lowest of IQs, just a little bit higher than the "Igbo Christian vs the Igbo Jews" test run. That was one of the dumbest.

They tried Igbo Catholics and Igbo Anglicans, we didn't even understood what they were trying to do.

I think this belongs here.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1778485?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3Af5f1e99ce420241777bf54f7579fd5d7&seq=31#page_scan_tab_contents

There have been arguement of bonny origin for quite some time by a few set of people with little or no background in history..

Most of this clowns love to use the likes of Captain crow document to ascertain their claims....

Before crow voyage to bonny their already existed other voyager s and their own account of bonny..

Would like my follow historians to check up baike document on its voyage to bonny.. Let it be know and proper research be made that baike first got to bonny before crow and the rest..

Among the document cited by the author of this post whom am commenting under, a snippet of baike document is used for reference to back his claim..

Please dear readers kindly go to baike document and read from page 335 upwards it will be noted that while the bonny claim an igbo descent that the language spoken in bonny then was quite similar to that of the Kalabari and in no way close to that of the igbo language....

During the time of baike voyage to bonny the slave trade using bonny as its port was still in its tender age as opposed to the arrival of Captain crow..


The following are key reasons why thou bonny have genetic link to the Igbos due to marriages with free born and slaves over time doesn't make them igbo..

The Igbos pride themselves in having heritage similar to the Israelite... I belive a good number of you would have heard of such tales.. The Igbos v always know to circumcised their male born as a tradition..

Circumcision started in bonny only after the introduction of Christianity to bonny as opposed to the Igbos who had it as an inherent culture already.. Even during the slave trade the Igbos still carried out circumcision while the bonny people never did.

Prior to the tales of King awusa Halliday and kind Pepple the bonny have always refer to its Kings as amayanabo rather than the popular igwe often use by the Igbos to refer to their king.. And during the transfer of power from Halliday to Pepple it wasn't just but two Kings but rather 4kings were involved.. Contrary to the lies told by the Igbos.. Bonny rulership system was shared among the duawari (founding father) in exception of brown/tobin who ruled over juju town(finima) kindly check crow for reference.

Power was rotated among the bristol, Halliday, greens and tolofari(check Susan M. H) for reference.. Power only shifted from Halliday to Pepple but prior to that bonny have always refer to their king as amayanabo.

The Igbos v never been a shy one in naming their locations with igbo names but yet no part of bonny have any igbo names.. Bonny is refer to okoloma meaning town of curlew... No igbo tribe in Nigeria refer to curlew as okolo, u can kindly check ur nearby forestry and wildlife department in any university and quote me wrong.. The only tribe that call curlew a name similar to what bonny people call its are the brass people..


It's true that bonny have igbo masquerade so does the Andoni, calabar and most riverline communities but does that make those communities igbo?

The people of bonny have never claim ownership of masquerade that ain't theirs, you can go to YouTube and you will see the date the masquerade was initiated among the masquerade dancers. But still among the bonny masquerade will do have our set of unique masquerade that's its like cam never be find in any igbo settlement except among the brass and nembe tribes..

Most people argue that why is bonny speaking igbo as a major language and I simply ask them to check reasons why most languages could be endangered.. As of during the slave period bonny and calabar exported the highest number of slaves in African and majority wia Igbos.. The high inflow of Igbos to bonny during the Trans Atlantic period resulted to most people in bonny to learn igbo..

Even the aborigines of places like Jamaica had its language nd culture influence by the high numbers of igbo slaves brought to Jamaica how much more bonny with its little population..

Go to the west and you will find states that look like variant version of yoruba due to the high number of yoruba slaves bought their..

dienyefy:
There have been arguement of bonny origin for quite some time by a few set of people with little or no background in history..

Most of this clowns love to use the likes of Captain crow document to ascertain their claims....

Before crow voyage to bonny their already existed other voyager s and their own account of bonny..

Would like my follow historians to check up baike document on its voyage to bonny.. Let it be know and proper research be made that baike first got to bonny before crow and the rest..

Among the document cited by the author of this post whom am commenting under, a snippet of baike document is used for reference to back his claim..

Please dear readers kindly go to baike document and read from page 335 upwards it will be noted that while the bonny claim an igbo descent that the language spoken in bonny then was quite similar to that of the Kalabari and in no way close to that of the igbo language....

During the time of baike voyage to bonny the slave trade using bonny as its port was still in its tender age as opposed to the arrival of Captain crow..


The following are key reasons why thou bonny have genetic link to the Igbos due to marriages with free born and slaves over time doesn't make them igbo..

The Igbos pride themselves in having heritage similar to the Israelite... I belive a good number of you would have heard of such tales.. The Igbos v always know to circumcised their male born as a tradition..

Circumcision started in bonny only after the introduction of Christianity to bonny as opposed to the Igbos who had it as an inherent culture already.. Even during the slave trade the Igbos still carried out circumcision while the bonny people never did.

Prior to the tales of King awusa Halliday and kind Pepple the bonny have always refer to its Kings as amayanabo rather than the popular igwe often use by the Igbos to refer to their king.. And during the transfer of power from Halliday to Pepple it wasn't just but two Kings but rather 4kings were involved.. Contrary to the lies told by the Igbos.. Bonny rulership system was shared among the duawari (founding father) in exception of brown/tobin who ruled over juju town(finima) kindly check crow for reference.

Power was rotated among the bristol, Halliday, greens and tolofari(check Susan M. H) for reference.. Power only shifted from Halliday to Pepple but prior to that bonny have always refer to their king as amayanabo.

The Igbos v never been a shy one in naming their locations with igbo names but yet no part of bonny have any igbo names.. Bonny is refer to okoloma meaning town of curlew... No igbo tribe in Nigeria refer to curlew as okolo, u can kindly check ur nearby forestry and wildlife department in any university and quote me wrong.. The only tribe that call curlew a name similar to what bonny people call its are the brass people..


It's true that bonny have igbo masquerade so does the Andoni, calabar and most riverline communities but does that make those communities igbo?

The people of bonny have never claim ownership of masquerade that ain't theirs, you can go to YouTube and you will see the date the masquerade was initiated among the masquerade dancers. But still among the bonny masquerade will do have our set of unique masquerade that's its like cam never be find in any igbo settlement except among the brass and nembe tribes..

Most people argue that why is bonny speaking igbo as a major language and I simply ask them to check reasons why most languages could be endangered.. As of during the slave period bonny and calabar exported the highest number of slaves in African and majority wia Igbos.. The high inflow of Igbos to bonny during the Trans Atlantic period resulted to most people in bonny to learn igbo..

Even the aborigines of places like Jamaica had its language nd culture influence by the high numbers of igbo slaves brought to Jamaica how much more bonny with its little population..

Go to the west and you will find states that look like variant version of yoruba due to the high number of yoruba slaves bought their..

One can definitely tell someone who is not very bright from miles away.

After digging mountains of ethnographically researched works and events written on the spot, blow by blow, Crow was how you summarised this whole page.

Now, go back, read page for page and read this thread and stop taking us back.

We have gone past all these your Alagoa theories with mountains of facts.

dienyefy:
There have been arguement of bonny origin for quite some time by a few set of people with little or no background in history..

Most of this clowns love to use the likes of Captain crow document to ascertain their claims....

Before crow voyage to bonny their already existed other voyager s and their own account of bonny..

Would like my follow historians to check up baike document on its voyage to bonny.. Let it be know and proper research be made that baike first got to bonny before crow and the rest..

Among the document cited by the author of this post whom am commenting under, a snippet of baike document is used for reference to back his claim..

Please dear readers kindly go to baike document and read from page 335 upwards it will be noted that while the bonny claim an igbo descent that the language spoken in bonny then was quite similar to that of the Kalabari and in no way close to that of the igbo language....

During the time of baike voyage to bonny the slave trade using bonny as its port was still in its tender age as opposed to the arrival of Captain crow..


The following are key reasons why thou bonny have genetic link to the Igbos due to marriages with free born and slaves over time doesn't make them igbo..

The Igbos pride themselves in having heritage similar to the Israelite... I belive a good number of you would have heard of such tales.. The Igbos v always know to circumcised their male born as a tradition..

Circumcision started in bonny only after the introduction of Christianity to bonny as opposed to the Igbos who had it as an inherent culture already.. Even during the slave trade the Igbos still carried out circumcision while the bonny people never did.

Prior to the tales of King awusa Halliday and kind Pepple the bonny have always refer to its Kings as amayanabo rather than the popular igwe often use by the Igbos to refer to their king.. And during the transfer of power from Halliday to Pepple it wasn't just but two Kings but rather 4kings were involved.. Contrary to the lies told by the Igbos.. Bonny rulership system was shared among the duawari (founding father) in exception of brown/tobin who ruled over juju town(finima) kindly check crow for reference.

Power was rotated among the bristol, Halliday, greens and tolofari(check Susan M. H) for reference.. Power only shifted from Halliday to Pepple but prior to that bonny have always refer to their king as amayanabo.

The Igbos v never been a shy one in naming their locations with igbo names but yet no part of bonny have any igbo names.. Bonny is refer to okoloma meaning town of curlew... No igbo tribe in Nigeria refer to curlew as okolo, u can kindly check ur nearby forestry and wildlife department in any university and quote me wrong.. The only tribe that call curlew a name similar to what bonny people call its are the brass people..


It's true that bonny have igbo masquerade so does the Andoni, calabar and most riverline communities but does that make those communities igbo?

The people of bonny have never claim ownership of masquerade that ain't theirs, you can go to YouTube and you will see the date the masquerade was initiated among the masquerade dancers. But still among the bonny masquerade will do have our set of unique masquerade that's its like cam never be find in any igbo settlement except among the brass and nembe tribes..

Most people argue that why is bonny speaking igbo as a major language and I simply ask them to check reasons why most languages could be endangered.. As of during the slave period bonny and calabar exported the highest number of slaves in African and majority wia Igbos.. The high inflow of Igbos to bonny during the Trans Atlantic period resulted to most people in bonny to learn igbo..

Even the aborigines of places like Jamaica had its language nd culture influence by the high numbers of igbo slaves brought to Jamaica how much more bonny with its little population..

Go to the west and you will find states that look like variant version of yoruba due to the high number of yoruba slaves bought their..

My dear, you came late and probably thought that either those of us that dropped those facts in this thread have left or maybe we have lost touch with where we pulled those facts from but I will like to clear you immediately.

Firstly,
Captain Hugh Crow reports was older and more explanatory than that of Baikie because.
1. Captain Hugh Crow came to Bonny earlier than Baikie and stayed/visited at intervals for more than 2 decades (20 years+) as opposed to Baikie that visited once.
2. Captain Hugh Crow witnessed Coronations, settled disputes in Bonny and also learnt the Igbo Language there (Bonny dialect) which he reported in his book as opposed to Baikie that took reports from sick Pepple. On the confusing part of his report from Pepple which was the few words (specimens of the language) he wrote in the appendix. He made it clear in the book that it was done in a haste after exhausting the sick Pepple with questions on communities and nations close to Bonny.
3. Captain Hugh Crow's memoir was dedicated to Bonny as opposed to Baikie that tried to cover almost everything that later became "Nigeria"
But one thing both of them as well as all reports concerning Bonny before Nigeria have in common is that the people are exclusively of Igbo descent. The people proclaimed so themselves and carried it like a badge of honor until the need for "divide and rule" came.

Secondly,
As recorded with evidence by Captain Hugh Crow, every cat and dog South of what became Nigeria was sold during the slave trade including Bonny Indigenes.

Thirdly,
If you claim that Igbo Language came to Bonny as a result of slave trade, how come the same Igbo Language did not survive or take over Efik in Calabar since both of them were ports used during the same slave trade at the same time and almost at equal capacity?

Have you seen that you don't know how to lie?

As for your receipts. Look at them below
1. Is when Baikie visited (1854)
2. Is when Captain Hugh Crow came to Bonny (1792)
3. The page 335 that you said we should go and check showing where the people and pepple claimed Igbo descent

Ijaw in Nigeria are sojourners. They are not alone though.

Ekealterego:

I swear for the very first time in a long time, the powerful chiefs and houses are referencing the same snippets we uploaded from those historical books. referencing Alagbarinye from the Ibo hinterland as a founder etc. Making reference and doubting the legitimacy of Alagoa's history. etc: I was like wow, some of these were completely not talked about out of fear. Even fully acknowledging the prevalence and originality of Igbo as the language of the Islan and not the "language of slaves" as these post-war people have tried to institutionalise.

You mean this. I had to search Bonny groups to find it. This will be needed for future references as a day when Bonny elders dispelled some falsehood.

I believe this belongs here.

I am a proud son of Ndoki, I am from Umuagbai/Umuagbayi in Oyigbo , Rivers State by law, and also from Ohandu-Ndoki (Abia State) by birth.

From our culture, Ndoki founded the Bonny Kingdom.

That is why the language spoken in Bonny is Ndoki language, not the general Igbo or central Igbo. So that talk of slaves being the reason why Bonny or Opobo speak Igbo is unfounded. Ndokis were never slaves in Bonny Kingdom, it was the first language spoken in Bonny even till this day.

At a time, a Rev. in Bonny was preaching in central Igbo, the Bonny chiefs vehemently opposed it and insisted that the Ndoki language must be used.

Source: Anglican Church Account on Bonny Kingdom.
https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=acAeAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=Added+to+this+is+the+complaint+the+chiefs+made+that+the+Rev.+F.+W.+Smart,+pastor+of+Bonny,+taught+christianity+in+a+version+of+Ibo&source=bl&ots=dKgfUpMtIs&sig=ACfU3U1nvUGtIRtCDnyA8GRwPhvHT8zIxw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXpf_Brv33AhUyhv0HHVw_AV4Q6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

NwaforIgbo:
I believe this belongs here.

I am a proud son of Ndoki, I am from Umuagbai/Umuagbayi in Oyigbo , Rivers State by law, and also from Ohandu-Ndoki (Abia State) by birth.

From our culture, Ndoki founded the Bonny Kingdom.

That is why the language spoken in Bonny is Ndoki language, not the general Igbo or central Igbo. So that talk of slaves being the reason why Bonny or Opobo speak Igbo is unfounded. Ndokis were never slaves in Bonny Kingdom, it was the first language spoken in Bonny even till this day.

At a time, a Rev. in Bonny was preaching in central Igbo, the Bonny chiefs vehemently opposed it and insisted that the Ndoki language must be used.

Source: Anglican Church Account on Bonny Kingdom.
https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=acAeAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=Added+to+this+is+the+complaint+the+chiefs+made+that+the+Rev.+F.+W.+Smart,+pastor+of+Bonny,+taught+christianity+in+a+version+of+Ibo&source=bl&ots=dKgfUpMtIs&sig=ACfU3U1nvUGtIRtCDnyA8GRwPhvHT8zIxw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXpf_Brv33AhUyhv0HHVw_AV4Q6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

Why is it the Ezenweala doesn't relate with the Bonny king?

SlayerForever:





Why is it the Ezenweala doesn't relate with the Bonny king?

Last year King Dandison Douglas Jaja (King of Opobo) came to Akwete on a brotherly visit.

NwaforIgbo:


Last year King Dandison Douglas Jaja (King of Opobo) came to Akwete on a brotherly visit.

Hmm, okay.

NwaforIgbo:
I believe this belongs here.

I am a proud son of Ndoki, I am from Umuagbai/Umuagbayi in Oyigbo , Rivers State by law, and also from Ohandu-Ndoki (Abia State) by birth.

From our culture, Ndoki founded the Bonny Kingdom.

That is why the language spoken in Bonny is Ndoki language, not the general Igbo or central Igbo. So that talk of slaves being the reason why Bonny or Opobo speak Igbo is unfounded. Ndokis were never slaves in Bonny Kingdom, it was the first language spoken in Bonny even till this day.

At a time, a Rev. in Bonny was preaching in central Igbo, the Bonny chiefs vehemently opposed it and insisted that the Ndoki language must be used.

Source: Anglican Church Account on Bonny Kingdom.
https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=acAeAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=Added+to+this+is+the+complaint+the+chiefs+made+that+the+Rev.+F.+W.+Smart,+pastor+of+Bonny,+taught+christianity+in+a+version+of+Ibo&source=bl&ots=dKgfUpMtIs&sig=ACfU3U1nvUGtIRtCDnyA8GRwPhvHT8zIxw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXpf_Brv33AhUyhv0HHVw_AV4Q6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

ASK YOUR ELDERS.
the Ndoki people known as Aminadokiari or waminadokiari migrated from kolokuma/opokuma axis; and coming up the imo river for trade. Two subsequent batches migrated from same kolokuma/Opokuma in search of their brother and they found them at the current site. Aminadokiari or waminadokiari is translated to mean(I am looking for my brother). That was how ndoki got it's name., and the name was corrupted to Ndoki by the Europeans who couldn't pronounce indigenous african settlements.
Those days the creeks were seen as dangerous or difficult to live or trade in, that was why coastal dwellers moored their trading canoe up stream and battered with the igbos who had great forest and cultivated yams, maize, rice, palm oil. at the center of commerce;Azumini.

The language is not the same with central igbo nor any other Igbo because some sort of hybrid language (a mixture of kolokuma and Igbo words was born after the Opokuma/kolokuma people settled there for sometime before coming down to found Bonny and another; kalabari(after establishing Aminadokiari.
you made mention of oyigbo, and I know oyigbo like the back of my palm, in those days it was controlled by the powerful ibani chiefs and kom-kom was the main slave market, and the imo river along the slaughter round to Azumini behind okoloma afam use to be filled with large trading canoes of the coastal dwellers, the igbos were never one to navigate war or trading canoes because they were a land people, and many of them dread water. even the imo river you see those divers bringing out sands are mostly ijaw people who work there. generally Igbo man no get mind enter the bottom of water to bring out sand.
ask yourself why the whole area use to belong to the Bonny family of Hart?
ask yourself why the igbos don't understand jack of the core ndoki Language but some ijaw clans can understand some of the words in your DIALECT?
ask yourself why the igbos can't tell the meaning of Ndoki/waminadokiari
I know you might not be familiar with the term "Aminadokiari/waminadokiari" so I beckon you to ask any old person. I even have ndoki in-laws whom were married into my maternal side(Igbo land) and they also confirmed the migration facts from the central delta area, just ask then get back to me.


the Bonny founders were bilingual due to the fact that they and their ndoki brothers stayed and traded close to the Igbo people of NGWA for a long time yet the language doesn't even resemble Ngwa atall atall. Reason am. me personally grew up and lived in Igbo land most of my life and I speak Igbo you wouldn't guess I'm an ijaw person.

I will look for and show you a document sent by the Bonny king Perekule the first through Samuel Ajayi crowther to the British empire about the language spoken by Bonny.
Again ask your elders, you migrated from the central delta region.

Alabo7978:

ASK YOUR ELDERS.
the Ndoki people known as Aminadokiari or waminadokiari migrated from kolokuma/opokuma axis; and coming up the imo river for trade. Two subsequent batches migrated from same kolokuma/Opokuma in search of their brother and they found them at the current site. Aminadokiari or waminadokiari is translated to mean(I am looking for my brother). That was how ndoki got it's name., and the name was corrupted to Ndoki by the Europeans who couldn't pronounce indigenous african settlements.
Those days the creeks were seen as dangerous or difficult to live or trade in, that was why coastal dwellers moored their trading canoe up stream and battered with the igbos who had great forest and cultivated yams, maize, rice, palm oil. at the center of commerce;Azumini.

The language is not the same with central igbo nor any other Igbo because some sort of hybrid language (a mixture of kolokuma and Igbo words was born after the Opokuma/kolokuma people settled there for sometime before coming down to found Bonny and another; kalabari(after establishing Aminadokiari.
you made mention of oyigbo, and I know oyigbo like the back of my palm, in those days it was controlled by the powerful ibani chiefs and kom-kom was the main slave market, and the imo river along the slaughter round to Azumini behind okoloma afam use to be filled with large trading canoes of the coastal dwellers, the igbos were never one to navigate war or trading canoes because they were a land people, and many of them dread water. even the imo river you see those divers bringing out sands are mostly ijaw people who work there. generally Igbo man no get mind enter the bottom of water to bring out sand.
ask yourself why the whole area use to belong to the Bonny family of Hart?
ask yourself why the igbos don't understand jack of the core ndoki Language but some ijaw clans can understand some of the words in your DIALECT?
ask yourself why the igbos can't tell the meaning of Ndoki/waminadokiari
I know you might not be familiar with the term "Aminadokiari/waminadokiari" so I beckon you to ask any old person. I even have ndoki in-laws whom were married into my maternal side(Igbo land) and they also confirmed the migration facts from the central delta area, just ask then get back to me.


the Bonny founders were bilingual due to the fact that they and their ndoki brothers stayed and traded close to the Igbo people of NGWA for a long time yet the language doesn't even resemble Ngwa atall atall. Reason am. me personally grew up and lived in Igbo land most of my life and I speak Igbo you wouldn't guess I'm an ijaw person.

I will look for and show you a document sent by the Bonny king Perekule the first through Samuel Ajayi crowther to the British empire about the language spoken by Bonny.
Again ask your elders, you migrated from the central delta region.

This guy stop writing fiction here dokiari what?
Most Igbo people's name start with Ndo or Ndu or Ndi. How come Ndoki's name change from the stupid fictional name The Fraudfessor Alagoa conjured up from his imagination?

Ekealterego:


This guy stop writing fiction here dokiari what?
Most Igbo people's name start with Ndo or Ndu or Ndi. How come Ndoki's name change from the stupid fictional name The Fraudfessor Alagoa conjured up from his imagination?

I wasn't referring to you.
you know nothing at all about Aminadokiari PEOPLE that's why you call it fiction.
let a bonafide ndoki man reply me and tell me there is nothing like Aminadokiari, then we will rest.

Alabo7978:

I wasn't referring to you.
you know nothing at all about Aminadokiari PEOPLE that's why you call it fiction.
let a bonafide ndoki man reply me and tell me there is nothing like Aminadokiari, then we will rest.

Stop writing rubbish. You are excited over people who are in and all over Abia state and Rivers that we meet everyday; who are neighbours, friends, in-laws, classmates, family friends, speak same language with etc replying your Bayelsan fictions on Nairaland?

And what was his response?

You didn't read the meaning of his moniker right?
I guess that was not enough for you.

Ekealterego:



You didn't read the meaning of his moniker right?
I guess that was not enough for you.

to be frank, alot of ijaw people do not really care about Ndoki people retracing their ijaw ancestry.
they have lost their Original dialect WHICH IS IBANI and their other brethren from the ISEDANI lineage (kalabari, Bonny, Opokuma/kolokuma etc) are not very bothered anymore.
I am just dropping the truth. they bare Igbo names these days but let him reply me and tell me he hasn't heard from the old men of his town that Aminadokiari WAS THEIR NAME BEFORE THE EUROPEANS.
AND IF ANY NDOKI MAN IS SEEING THIS, tell us there is nothing like Aminadokiari in ndoki land!

Alabo7978:


to be frank, alot of ijaw people do not really care about Ndoki people retracing their ijaw ancestry.
they have lost their Original dialect WHICH IS IBANI and their other brethren from the ISEDANI lineage (kalabari, Bonny, Opokuma/kolokuma etc) are not very bothered anymore.
I am just dropping the truth. they bare Igbo names these days but let him reply me and tell me he hasn't heard from the old men of his town that Aminadokiari WAS THEIR NAME BEFORE THE EUROPEANS.
AND IF ANY NDOKI MAN IS SEEING THIS, tell us there is nothing like Aminadokiari in ndoki land!

Mr Man, Ijaw is a franchise.

Izon is not related to any language in Nigeria. You are just like Fulanis but you guys came through canoes rather than with cattle on land.

That's why you are a minority and found in only 4 LGAs and 1, half and half LGA in the remotest and least populated LGAs in Delta.

Even the guy you are quoting have emphasised it through his moniker, what else do you want?

Ekealterego:
Mr Man, Ijaw is a franchise.

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okay... whatever makes you sleep peacefully tonight.

Alabo7978:

ASK YOUR ELDERS.
the Ndoki people known as Aminadokiari or waminadokiari migrated from kolokuma/opokuma axis; and coming up the imo river for trade. Two subsequent batches migrated from same kolokuma/Opokuma in search of their brother and they found them at the current site. Aminadokiari or waminadokiari is translated to mean(I am looking for my brother). That was how ndoki got it's name., and the name was corrupted to Ndoki by the Europeans who couldn't pronounce indigenous african settlements.
Those days the creeks were seen as dangerous or difficult to live or trade in, that was why coastal dwellers moored their trading canoe up stream and battered with the igbos who had great forest and cultivated yams, maize, rice, palm oil. at the center of commerce;Azumini.

The language is not the same with central igbo nor any other Igbo because some sort of hybrid language (a mixture of kolokuma and Igbo words was born after the Opokuma/kolokuma people settled there for sometime before coming down to found Bonny and another; kalabari(after establishing Aminadokiari.
you made mention of oyigbo, and I know oyigbo like the back of my palm, in those days it was controlled by the powerful ibani chiefs and kom-kom was the main slave market, and the imo river along the slaughter round to Azumini behind okoloma afam use to be filled with large trading canoes of the coastal dwellers, the igbos were never one to navigate war or trading canoes because they were a land people, and many of them dread water. even the imo river you see those divers bringing out sands are mostly ijaw people who work there. generally Igbo man no get mind enter the bottom of water to bring out sand.
ask yourself why the whole area use to belong to the Bonny family of Hart?
ask yourself why the igbos don't understand jack of the core ndoki Language but some ijaw clans can understand some of the words in your DIALECT?
ask yourself why the igbos can't tell the meaning of Ndoki/waminadokiari
I know you might not be familiar with the term "Aminadokiari/waminadokiari" so I beckon you to ask any old person. I even have ndoki in-laws whom were married into my maternal side(Igbo land) and they also confirmed the migration facts from the central delta area, just ask then get back to me.


the Bonny founders were bilingual due to the fact that they and their ndoki brothers stayed and traded close to the Igbo people of NGWA for a long time yet the language doesn't even resemble Ngwa atall atall. Reason am. me personally grew up and lived in Igbo land most of my life and I speak Igbo you wouldn't guess I'm an ijaw person.

I will look for and show you a document sent by the Bonny king Perekule the first through Samuel Ajayi crowther to the British empire about the language spoken by Bonny.
Again ask your elders, you migrated from the central delta region.

If we were Ijaws as you have said, how come we did not name our village Ijaw names, how come our progenitors did not bear Ijaw names?

How come we don't serve Ijaw God or have Ijaw customs?


SO far, the people of Ibani and Ndoki have shared cultures and interacted as one people. Nothing we do in Ibani or even Ndoki, resonates with what the people of Delta or central Ijaw practice.

Yes most of my people believe in the Aminadokiari fables, but to me, it does not hold water.

NwekereNdoki:



If we were Ijaws as you have said, how come we did not name our village Ijaw names, how come our progenitors did not bear Ijaw names?

How come we don't serve Ijaw God or have Ijaw customs?


SO far, the people of Ibani and Ndoki have shared cultures and interacted as one people. Nothing we do in Ibani or even Ndoki, resonates with what the people of Delta or central Ijaw practice.

Yes most of my people believe in the Aminadokiari fables, but to me, it does not hold water.

You should believe MOST YOUR PEOPLE, INCLUDING YOUR ELDERS, THEY KNOW MORE THAN YOU, here is the fact

it is a thing of nature for you to be INFLUENCED by your neighbors. The northern Igbo city states have igala influence.
The western Ijaw people have Yoruba influence.
The northern Yoruba city states have Hausa/fulani influence.
The western Taiwanese have Chinese INFLUENCED etc etc.
Ndoki was the VERY FIRST landing spot from the migrating batch led by Opuamakuba, Kala-beni(alias Alagbarigha) and Asikunuma(the one whom the Ngwa igbos affectionately called Okpara Ndoli)

these migratory batch from a town called Okoloba in Kolokuma/Opokuma axis landed with their people at Aminadokiari and related with THE NEIGHBORING Ngwa people(SOUTHERN IGBO) AND EVEN INTERMARRIED WITH THEM, They stayed there for a long time even prince Edimini(Opuamakuba's grandson) was born there.

IF YOU CAN BE TRUTHFUL, you will know IBOS naturally aren't a riverrine people, they prefer farming to fishing, that is why they stay more inland than riverrine.
But ask yourself why the Ndoki people are very riverrine
The Ndoki people are from the isedani lineage, but their language was greatly influenced and covered by the Ngwa due to the rate of intermarriage, and the Igbo typical ways of moving to anywhere or location they see people so they can trade.
How can you say Ndoki towns don't sound Ijaw to you, what about Okolo'ma? Oruama?? Okolomakiri ?? Osobie ?? Even Azumini people will tell you they aren't Igbos.

These migratory batch will later come down and settled around the Ogoni area and dwelt in the town where Kala-oko and Opu-oko currently stands.

Kala Beni being a hunter one day went on a hunt and saw the beautiful Island (Bonny) he returned to inform his brothers of a better land down south to settle, and they decided to head further south again, not everyone as usual followed after living in Aminadokiari for a very long time and being used to it.
Opuamakuba agreed to come see the place with him and they all(group) headed for the site, but Opuamakuba died on the way but Kala-beni led them and they settled in what is today grand Bonny (they named Okoloama). Kala-beni set up a shrine to dedicate to Opuamakuba which is the famous kala-Ikuba shrine you might have heard of.
The southern migration from Ndoki is the one the igbos talk of BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM TO SETTLE AT NDOKI...LMAO.
So the town was known as kalabeni settlement and corrupted to ibani or people of ibani.

THAT IS WHY THE "AMINADOKIARI FABLE" is believed by your elders and people, and if you don't want to believe it, suit yourself.

Today the influx of ENGLISH LANGUAGE is taking over our indigenous names and we even answer English names but that doesn't make us Anglo Saxons does it??

Ndoki people today speak a dialect resembling Ngwa with very little ijaw words sandwiched between it. Many of your elders came to retrace their Ijaw ancestry but some disagreed and said it's best continue in the ways they were born and were used to, infact Ijaws don't really care anymore but if your people wants to come back, we will welcome you with Open arms but do not say the Bonny people and the Opobo people don't have any connections to the central delta because they are uncountable traditions, beliefs I would have shown you, but I don't have that time or energy. But I will show you a video where the Amayanabo (not eze) of Opobo talked about the central delta migration.

NwekereNdoki:



If we were Ijaws as you have said, how come we did not name our village Ijaw names, how come our progenitors did not bear Ijaw names?

How come we don't serve Ijaw God or have Ijaw customs?
https://www./1549601415174008/permalink/2293315754135900/?app=fbl



SO far, the people of Ibani and Ndoki have shared cultures and interacted as one people. Nothing we do in Ibani or even Ndoki, resonates with what the people of Delta or central Ijaw practice.

Yes most of my people believe in the Aminadokiari fables, but to me, it does not hold water.

https://www./1549601415174008/permalink/2293315754135900/?app=fbl

If the OO1 of Opubo-ama (Opobo) tells you about the history of his kingdom, drug peddlers from far away lands can't tell you otherwise.

Alabo7978:



https://www./1549601415174008/permalink/2293315754135900/?app=fbl

If the OO1 of Opubo-ama (Opobo) tells you about the history of his kingdom, drug peddlers from far away lands can't tell you otherwise.

On the contrary, King Pepple himself told Captain Hugh his story himself, and in that story he never identified as a jo man. According to Hugh, Jo people were running around the creek seeking for whom to devour

Alabo7978:


You should believe MOST YOUR PEOPLE, INCLUDING YOUR ELDERS, THEY KNOW MORE THAN YOU, here is the fact

it is a thing of nature for you to be INFLUENCED by your neighbors. The northern Igbo city states have igala influence.
The western Ijaw people have Yoruba influence.
The northern Yoruba city states have Hausa/fulani influence.
The western Taiwanese have Chinese INFLUENCED etc etc.
Ndoki was the VERY FIRST landing spot from the migrating batch led by Opuamakuba, Kala-beni(alias Alagbarigha) and Asikunuma(the one whom the Ngwa igbos affectionately called Okpara Ndoli)

these migratory batch from a town called Okoloba in Kolokuma/Opokuma axis landed with their people at Aminadokiari and related with THE NEIGHBORING Ngwa people(SOUTHERN IGBO) AND EVEN INTERMARRIED WITH THEM, They stayed there for a long time even prince Edimini(Opuamakuba's grandson) was born there.

IF YOU CAN BE TRUTHFUL, you will know IBOS naturally aren't a riverrine people, they prefer farming to fishing, that is why they stay more inland than riverrine.
But ask yourself why the Ndoki people are very riverrine
The Ndoki people are from the isedani lineage, but their language was greatly influenced and covered by the Ngwa due to the rate of intermarriage, and the Igbo typical ways of moving to anywhere or location they see people so they can trade.
How can you say Ndoki towns don't sound Ijaw to you, what about Okolo'ma? Oruama?? Okolomakiri ?? Osobie ?? Even Azumini people will tell you they aren't Igbos.

These migratory batch will later come down and settled around the Ogoni area and dwelt in the town where Kala-oko and Opu-oko currently stands.

Kala Beni being a hunter one day went on a hunt and saw the beautiful Island (Bonny) he returned to inform his brothers of a better land down south to settle, and they decided to head further south again, not everyone as usual followed after living in Aminadokiari for a very long time and being used to it.
Opuamakuba agreed to come see the place with him and they all(group) headed for the site, but Opuamakuba died on the way but Kala-beni led them and they settled in what is today grand Bonny (they named Okoloama). Kala-beni set up a shrine to dedicate to Opuamakuba which is the famous kala-Ikuba shrine you might have heard of.
The southern migration from Ndoki is the one the igbos talk of BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM TO SETTLE AT NDOKI...LMAO.
So the town was known as kalabeni settlement and corrupted to ibani or people of ibani.

THAT IS WHY THE "AMINADOKIARI FABLE" is believed by your elders and people, and if you don't want to believe it, suit yourself.

Today the influx of ENGLISH LANGUAGE is taking over our indigenous names and we even answer English names but that doesn't make us Anglo Saxons does it??

Ndoki people today speak a dialect resembling Ngwa with very little ijaw words sandwiched between it. Many of your elders came to retrace their Ijaw ancestry but some disagreed and said it's best continue in the ways they were born and were used to, infact Ijaws don't really care anymore but if your people wants to come back, we will welcome you with Open arms but do not say the Bonny people and the Opobo people don't have any connections to the central delta because they are uncountable traditions, beliefs I would have shown you, but I don't have that time or energy. But I will show you a video where the Amayanabo (not eze) of Opobo talked about the central delta migration.

BTW, Amayanabo was a recent introduction from Brass. Neither Hugh nor, Baike recorded of any Amayanabo title when they visited

NwekereNdoki:


On the contrary, King Pepple himself told Captain Hugh his story himself, and in that story he never identified as a jo man. According to Hugh, Jo people were running around the creek seeking for whom to devour

NO ONE IDENTIFIED AS JO.
it was the name given to us by the Brits.
I am a nembeian LIKE YOU KNOW because we both know you're someone else behind that monicker but let me talk to you like you're not whom we both know you are,
we were called Oru, and we spoke an Oru dialect(s) recorded by baikie, sigismund koelle, and lots of other linguist.

Yes Amayanabo(owner of the community) became a thing for the central and Eastern rulers because our kingdoms BECAME MORE POLITICAL due to the Europeans coming and trading heavily. but prior to that, our leaders or rulers used the "PERE" title in the primitive days because it was MORE SPIRITUAL. Pere means Priest, our western Ijaw brothers still maintain that ancient title and I commend them.

secondly, the white man know nothing about we Africans, they only choose what they want to publish for their very crafty selfish reasons. We all trace our Ancestry from The central delta and every one (child to an old or deceased person) knows/knew this.