Rosement:

John 3:16,
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Read Matthew 28:19 to understand.
We Christians believe in the Holy Trinity, the Father, and the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost.
Jesus is the second person of the Holy Trinity.

John 1:1,
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus is the Word, Jesus is God and David is the son of Jesus, so he can never be equal with Jesus. Jesus was the one speaking in Psalm 2:7, Jesus was the one that made David is begotten son. Even David referred to Jesus as Lord.


Matthew 22: 41-46
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Jman24:


So going by your analogy, Psalm 118 talks about Jesus too?

Psalm 118
17 I shall not die, but live,
And declare the works of the Lord.
18 The Lord has chastened me severely,
But He has not given me over to death.

But biblical Jesus was given over to death for the sins of the world.

Rosement:

Yes, you are right but my Jesus has risen like He said.
My Jesus has risen, my Jesus has risen, my Jesus has risen.
My Jesus liveth, my Jesus liveth, my Jesus liveth.
Luke 24:6-7
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Read Isaiah 53:5-12
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
John 11:25,
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Jman24:


Nobody is disputing if he was risen from my line of argument.
From Psalm 118 there are two lines there..
1. I shall not die but live to proclaim ( this could be twisted to your explanation above. You know how pastors do this things)
But
2. He wasn't given over to death.(unless you are saying he didn't actually die physically contrary to what new testament says)

Jman24:


So going by your analogy, Psalm 118 talks about Jesus too?

Psalm 118
17 I shall not die, but live,
And declare the works of the Lord.
18 The Lord has chastened me severely,
But He has not given me over to death.

But biblical Jesus was given over to death for the sins of the world.

MightySparrow:



Yes.

AntiChristian:


See another liar!

Rosement:

Of course, He died physically because He paid the debt for us. Physical death is a debt we all have to pay,
Modified
every human being must die physically but as Christians we believe we shall live again even after the physical death because Jesus died physically to pay the prize for our sins, so that we can be excluded from the spiritual death.

He also resurrected physically and ascended up to Heaven physically, so we believe in the miraculous power of His resurrection.

Rosement:

Psalm 118 is a prayer for us not to die until it is our appointed time, Jesus Christ fulfilled His mission on earth and He declared the works of God. Jesus died at His appointed time, everybody's appointed time is different.
Read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 for more understanding
1. To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2. A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Jman24:



You are just contradicting yourself.
Since he died physically why did Psalm 118 say he wasn't given over to death?(this is simple English in the affirmative that he didn't die physically) it is quite different from " he wasn't abandoned to death"

Jman24:


If Psalm 118( I shall not die but live...) is a prayer, why can't Psalm 7:2( I will declare the decree of the Lord..) be a prayer for people to be begotten of the father?

Both of them starts with the singular "I"

MaxInDHouse:


YES, Moses and Jesus can perfectly be compared because they're both
[1]Descendants of Jacob!
[2]Called God! Exodus 7:1, John 1:1
[3]Miracle workers!
!

Empiree:

But Jesus didn't perform any miracle?

Rosement:

The only prove I will give you about Jesus being God is the words of Jesus Himself and if you debate it, there is no reason for me to argue with you. I know Jesus can never lie but people that doesn't understand the things of the Spirit might say otherwise about Him.

Psalm is full of prayers and we are permitted to pray for want we want, so why should we pray for what we don't want?
Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Our prayer is our request to God. If I don't want to become a doctor, should I request for it from God because somebody else is requesting it? My own wish is different from somebody else wish. Jesus Christ accepted to die on the cross, He was not forced, so why should He have prayed not to suffer? Did He want His mission to be demolished?

Jesus is not a follower of David, why should He say or do everything that David does?
Don't compare Jesus to David, they are not equal. Jesus is the God of David and He is also a father to David. David called Jesus Lord, Jesus Himself said it in Matthew 22:41-46 and Psalm 110:1 confirms it.
Matthew 22: 41-46.
41. While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42. Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44. The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45. If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46. And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Psalm 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus Himself proclaimed that He is God in John 10:30, 
I and my Father are one.
John 1:1-18 explains the Jesus Christ is God.
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2.The same was in the beginning with God.
3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
17. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18.No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

MaxInDHouse:


Ask your Imams they will tell you more about Jesus' gift of miraculous works!

Empiree:

I'm sorry for putting question mark. I was trying to say emphatically that Jesus didn't perform any miracle. Prove me wrong

MaxInDHouse:


I hear you, no further arguments!

Empiree:
Good. You know the facts
No more deceiving people again about Jesus miracles. We are wiser now

Jman24:



Lol
Here you go again. I'm not interested in knowing if Jesus is God according to my line of argument. I'm only using the words of a few who said Psalms 7 is about future Jesus, to match a contradiction in psalm 118, which you call a prayer for people. Also trying to know why using a singular "I" shouldn't be referenced to the psalmist rather than a future savior

Rosement:

The prayers in the Book of Psalm is also for the nation not for the Psalmist alone.

There are other Godly men that used I when praying, for example Prophet Isaiah and Prophet Jeremiah and we still use their prayers as prayer points.
Isaiah 12:2,
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Jeremiah 12:1,
Righteous art thou, O Lord, when I plead with thee: yet let me talk with thee of thy judgments: Wherefore doth the way of the wicked prosper? wherefore are all they happy that deal very treacherously?

I don't understand what you really mean by
"Also trying to know why using a singular "I" shouldn't be referenced to the psalmist rather than a future savior." Can you broke it down so that I can understand?

Jman24:



Someone said psalm 7 is all about the future savior Jesus. That was where I needed clarification

MightySparrow:

What is your definition of salvation?

AntiChristian:


Believe in Allah and Obedience to Allah in the light of what He revealed to His Prophet.

Islam is the total submission to the will of Allah.

We do not believe God has son not to talk of God sending his son to die....Audhubillah!

MightySparrow:

Show from your Qur'an where Islam is termed submission.

My own God has a Son, and sons and daughters. We don't serve the same God. Your own is Allah, my own is Jehovah.

MightySparrow:



Show from your Qur'an where Islam is termed submission.

My own God has a Son, and sons and daughters. We don't serve the same God. Your own is Allah, my own is Jehovah.

AntiChristian:


Islam means submitting to Allaah, worshipping Him alone and obeying Him, and shunning shirk (polytheism, associating others with Allaah) and those who believe in that. This is the religion which Allaah approves for His slaves. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Truly, the religion with Allaah is Islam”
[Aal- ‘Imraan 3:19]

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

The person who enters this religion is called a Muslim (one who submits), because he has submitted (aslama) to all the rulings that have come from Allaah and from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And who turns away from the religion of Ibraaheem (Abraham) (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) except him who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world and verily, in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous.

When his Lord said to him, ‘Submit (i.e. be a Muslim)!’ He said, ‘I have submitted myself (as a Muslim) to the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists).’” [al-Baqarah 2:130-131]

“Yes, but whoever submits his face (himself) to Allaah (i.e. follows Allaah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism) and he is a Muhsin ( a doer of good who does good deeds solely for the sake of Allaah) then his reward is with his Lord (Allaah), on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve”
[al-Baqarah 2:112].



Yeah, i know your God can't function without partners. He must have a son to kill for His other son's and daughter's salvation!


1. Paul allegedly said in Romans 6:16:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

This means if we obey God then we are God's slaves according to Paul!

2. Paul continues later in Romans 6:22:
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Here we see that those who have been set free from sins become slaves of God

AntiChristian:


Can you bring a Bible verse that states or implies the above? The Jews of today deny worshipping Jesus as God! But you are here saying this!

Muhammad is the final Messenger of Islam. Christianity does not have any Holy Man except Jesus. All other men in the Bible must have one spot or sin that will make them fall short!

And of cos, you can't accept Muhammad as his teachings is contrary to Paul's and other writers of your Bible.

MaxInDHouse:


Paul also said:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Ephesians 4:13

Do you agree with him that Jesus is the son of God?
Because if you don't then there's no need quoting him to authenticate your own beliefs!

AntiChristian:

There are many sons of God in your Bible.
1. Jesus is the son of God.
2. Sons of God that came to sleep with daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4
3. Peacemakers will be called sons of God “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. mat 5:9
So if i were to believe it all which should i really believe? That your God has sons who can in turn come and sleep with human daughters?
Was Jesus among the sons of God that slept with daughters of men?
Or that "son of God" is metaphorical as in Mat 5:9?

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted solved all these ongoing fruitless arguments here and there.
Whatever makes a contradiction come in between two religionists and they can't resolve it then there's no beating about the bush, both of them aren't worshiping the same God. Period!
So there's no need disturbing one another once we're sure that our Gods differs!

MaxInDHouse:


It's not compulsory that your God must be my God so whatever i say or the Bible say about my God should be left untouched unless you want us to compare my God with yours which shouldn't lead to endless arguments.
My God has lots of sons if yours doesn't then it simply means our Gods differs. So you quote your book and talk about what your God say while quote my Bible and talk about what my God say.
Then we can think of the BENEFITS derived from practicing what the two Gods said, that's what real intellectuals do with recorded words of deities we've never seen with our eyes.
Surely one must be real while the other fake, it's by observing the outcome of their words that will help honest hearted individuals to know which of the Gods is true not blind arguments!

MaxInDHouse:


It's not compulsory that your God must be my God so whatever i say or the Bible say about my God should be left untouched unless you want us to compare my God with yours which shouldn't lead to endless arguments.
My God has lots of sons if yours doesn't then it simply means our Gods differs. So you quote your book and talk about what your God say while quote my Bible and talk about what my God say.
Then we can think of the BENEFITS derived from practicing what the two Gods said, that's what real intellectuals do with recorded words of deities we've never seen with our eyes.
Surely one must be real while the other fake, it's by observing the outcome of their words that will help honest hearted individuals to know which of the Gods is true not blind arguments!

MightySparrow:


It is Antichristian and co that want to make mohammed, an Arab, messager of an unknown god one Allah, ( who was not known to Jews and Christians) before the formation of Islam. Mohammed copied Jewish scriptures and embellished it with Arabian folklore. Can you imagine prophet Muhammad saying that Solomon had winged horses!
He, too, traveled on a carpet that contained 6,000 chairs from Mecca to Jerusalem! All three after about two and half millennia!.


These people should leave us alone to be kissing their black stone!
Thanks brother neighbour.
I want to officially tell you, I will be signing out of Nairaland at the end of the year.
Thanks for being there.