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Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 11:58am On Jan 23
Please consider these 2 scriptures.
1. Exodus 4.22-23
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2. Colossians 1.15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

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Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by DappaD: 1:15pm On Jan 23
What do you mean by ‘firstborn’ ?
Firstborn in what context ?

Is there some angle you’re trying to get at with this question ?
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Dtruthspeaker: 4:12pm On Jan 23
tctrills:
Please consider these 2 scriptures.
1. Exodus 4.22-23
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Clearly First born of the Children of men

tctrills:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

First born of God was not mentioned here only "my son" which is still the same son in verse 22.

So you only have 2 verses whereas you wrongly said 3

tctrills:

2. Colossians 1.15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Creature tells you He is different from man for God created many many things including man but not limited to man.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Dtruthspeaker: 4:13pm On Jan 23
How does this save one's life from death now?
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Lighthouse50: 4:19pm On Jan 23
Bible is clear and straight. Israel is God's first born while Yahshua is God's beloved son
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Dtruthspeaker: 4:32pm On Jan 23
Lighthouse50:
Bible is clear and straight. Israel is God's first born while Yahshua is God's beloved son

Very clear but he believes in stirring up strifes and casting evil aspersions, so that the sons of Satan can come to bite!

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Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:07pm On Jan 23
Dtruthspeaker:


Clearly First born of the Children of men



First born of God was not mentioned here only "my son" which is still the same son in verse 22.

So you only have 2 verses whereas you wrongly said 3



Creature tells you He is different from man for God created many many things including man but not limited to man.




Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:07pm On Jan 23
DappaD:
What do you mean by ‘firstborn’ ?
Firstborn in what context ?

Is there some angle you’re trying to get at with this question ?
Are you asking the same question I asked
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:09pm On Jan 23
Dtruthspeaker:


Clearly First born of the Children of men



First born of God was not mentioned here only "my son" which is still the same son in verse 22.

So you only have 2 verses whereas you wrongly said 3



Creature tells you He is different from man for God created many many things including man but not limited to man.




What do you mean by Clearly First born of the Children of men. Please explain?
2. Are you sure you read verse 22. Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Please learn to read before answering. In verse 22, God clearly called Israel his firstborn
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:10pm On Jan 23
Lighthouse50:
Bible is clear and straight. Israel is God's first born while Yahshua is God's beloved son
Thanks for your answer. So Israel is actually the first before Christ?
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Steep(m): 5:11pm On Jan 23
tctrills:
Please consider these 2 scriptures.
1. Exodus 4.22-23
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2. Colossians 1.15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Israel is God's firstborn among all the nations of the world while Jesus is God's firstborn over all creatures. Get the difference?
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:11pm On Jan 23
Dtruthspeaker:


Very clear but he believes in stirring up strifes and casting evil aspersions, so that the sons of Satan can come to bite!
You are right, I ask the hard questions that make many uncomfortable. But I wouldn't apologize for that.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Steep(m): 5:12pm On Jan 23
tctrills:

You are right, I ask the hard questions that make many uncomfortable. But I wouldn't apologize for that.
It is OK to ask hard question.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by killyaselfie: 5:12pm On Jan 23
Steep:

Israel is God's firstborn among all the nations of the world while Jesus is God's firstborn over all creatures. Get the difference?

And you niggers are the last born bastards.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:15pm On Jan 23
Steep:
It is OK to ask hard question.
Thanks man
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Dtruthspeaker: 5:15pm On Jan 23
tctrills:

What do you mean by Clearly First born of the Children of men. Please explain?

Children of men. The same men made from dust who filled the earth. The children born by the children of Noah who repopulated the world. Men like you and I and Not Angels or The Greater than men Beings who do not live on the earth.

Which other children of men is there? Are there 2 man?
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:16pm On Jan 23
killyaselfie:


And you niggers are the last born bastards.
please explain
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Steep(m): 5:18pm On Jan 23
killyaselfie:


And you niggers are the last born bastards.
God chose Israel first and then through Israel to reach out to every nation, this also meant God dealt more harshly with the firstborn because they suppose to know better. I am not sure you race can survive this, God blessed us too, so we could know him and seek for him.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Dtruthspeaker: 5:18pm On Jan 23
tctrills:

You are right, I ask the hard questions that make many uncomfortable. But I wouldn't apologize for that.

Yes and you do not care if God shall be defamed and derogated by it!

May The Lord Come Quickly and Bring Judgement to all evils.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:19pm On Jan 23
Dtruthspeaker:


Children of men. The same men made from dust who filled the earth. The children born by the children of Noah who repopulated the world. Men like you and I and Not Angels or The Greater than men Beings who do not live on the earth.

Which other children of men is there? Are there 2 man?

God called Israel his firstborn in verse 22 please read before you answer.

Even if we go by your answer, Israel isn't the first born among men. Many more older brothers before isreal bUT the in the verse God called isreal his firstborn so let's deal with that first

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:20pm On Jan 23
Dtruthspeaker:


Yes and you do not care if God shall be defamed and derogated by it!

May The Lord Come Quickly and Bring Judgement to all evils.
God isn't scare of questions, man is.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:21pm On Jan 23
Steep:
God chose Israel first and then through Israel to reach out to every nation, this also meant God dealt more harshly with the firstborn because they suppose to know better. I am not sure you race can survive this, God blessed us too, so we could know him and seek for him.
Actually, I think the blacks have suffered and survived much more.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Steep(m): 5:23pm On Jan 23
tctrills:


God called Israel his firstborn in verse 22 please read before you answer.

Even if we go by your answer, Israel isn't the first born among men. Many more older brothers before isreal bUT the in the verse God called isreal his firstborn so let's deal with that first
yeap being a firstborn in some instances is not about age but it is really about choice, this is where Jehovah witness miss it, they think Jesus being called first born means he was first created.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:24pm On Jan 23
Steep:
yeap being a firstborn in some instances is not about age but it is really about choice, this is where Jehovah witness miss it, they think Jesus being called first born means he was first created.
So Israel is actually the firstborn?
How about
. Colossians 1.15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Dtruthspeaker: 5:26pm On Jan 23
tctrills:

God isn't scare of questions, man is.

Are you asking God or asking men?

You post clearly proves that you intend to defame, mock and derogate The Lord.

O Lord, please Come Quickly that all these evils shall be carried away to their Judgements.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Steep(m): 5:27pm On Jan 23
tctrills:

Actually, I think the blacks have suffered and survived much more.
God choose Israel for his purpose, and that is to lead the world to christ. God gave Israel his laws which must be followed very rigidly failure to do so attract serious curse, and till today that curse is still following them.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:28pm On Jan 23
Steep:

God choose Israel for his purpose, and that is to lead the world to christ. God gave Israel his laws which must be followed very rigidly failure to do so attract serious curse, and till today that curse is still following them.
What curse follows them?
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Steep(m): 5:29pm On Jan 23
tctrills:

So Israel is actually the firstborn?
How about
. Colossians 1.15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
what do you mean actually mean firstborn, do you mean if God literally gave birth to Isreal, then the answer is no! Isreal the Son of Isaac and his children are called israelities, it is about God choosing Israel first.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by Steep(m): 5:29pm On Jan 23
tctrills:

What curse follows them?
Have you heard of the curse of the Law?

Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Deuteronomy 29:21 And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

The history of Israel has being filled with sadness, till today Israel do not have a king, their land is under attack by the Arabs who hate Israel and vowed they will never have peace, Hitler single handedly killed six million jews , Israel till today haven't gotten their real land and the worse is about to happen, according to prophecy a world ruler would come who would deal the greatest blow on Isreal such they have never seen before, the whole world will finally unite against Israel at the end.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:29pm On Jan 23
Dtruthspeaker:


Are you asking God or asking men?

You post clearly proves that you intend to defame, mock and derivate The Lord.

O Lord, please Come Quickly that all these evils shall be carried away to their Judgements.
My brother God is not man that gets offended over questions. Just calm down leave it for God to decide my judgment ok
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:32pm On Jan 23
Steep:
Have you heard of the curse of the Law?
No, teach me
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn, Jesus Christ Or Isreal by tctrills: 5:33pm On Jan 23
Steep:
what do you mean actually mean firstborn, do you mean if God literally gave birth to Isreal, then the answer is no! Isreal the Son of Isaac and his children are called israelities, it is about God choosing Israel first.
I would be happy if you can clarify that. That might help us understand the 2 scriptures

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