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Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by mideactive: 2:13am On Jan 25, 2022
I browsed through the course requirements to study software engineering in Nigerian Universities,I saw physics,biology, Chemistry and agric-sceince as a must. I still don't understand what the aforementioned subject has got to do with software. This practice is not the same in other institutions in other countries of the world,why only Nigeria? Perhaps,most of the software produced in Nigeria are for commerce and business purposes and not science related. Why are they killing the dreams of commercial students that may want to dabble into software production? Why the unnecessary bottle-neck? I wish our education system can be fixed to handle so many inconsistencies that's is dragging the nation backwards.
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by airsaylongcome: 2:49am On Jan 25, 2022
Do you really think you can be a software engineer without a robust grounding in science (maths and physics specifically)? To study engineering you'd need to know Calculus I & II, Ordinary Differential Equations, Numerical Methods, Discrete Mathematics. At the end of the day Software Engineering IS an engineering discipline. It differs from programming which is a subset of SE
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by mideactive: 8:10am On Jan 25, 2022
airsaylongcome:
Do you really think you can be a software engineer without a robust grounding in science (maths and physics specifically)? To study engineering you'd need to know Calculus I & II, Ordinary Differential Equations, Numerical Methods, Discrete Mathematics. At the end of the day Software Engineering IS an engineering discipline. It differs from programming which is a subset of SE

All you've mentioned up their are still mathematics,they are advanced though. That doesn't mean someone with a mind to be a software engineer cannot handle it. The brain develops and increases in capacity as you learn more and more of coding. I still don't see why it should be all science, it's not so in other countries.

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Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by Excallibur(m): 9:19am On Jan 25, 2022
An engineering student of any field must possess high maths skills and demonstrate they can apply those skills to solve real life problems (hence sciences) chemistry might be an overeach but physics is a must. And a lot of US universities also require sciences for software engineering
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by mideactive: 10:23am On Jan 25, 2022
Excallibur:
An engineering student of any field must possess high maths skills and demonstrate they can apply those skills to solve real life problems (hence sciences) chemistry might be an overeach but physics is a must. And a lot of US universities also require sciences for software engineering

Please,asides from Nigerian Universities,can you show me other institutions where physics is made a must for software around the word? Your argument for the need for physics is because of hight maths skills,what makes you think one cannot develop hight maths skill when deep into software engineering. Besides, the Engineering part doesn't make it the same as other Engineering fields. We have a lot of business and commerce related problems that can be solved using this field of study too.
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by airsaylongcome: 12:17pm On Jan 25, 2022
mideactive:


Please,asides from Nigerian Universities,can you show me other institutions where physics is made a must for software around the word? Your argument for the need for physics is because of hight maths skills,what makes you think one cannot develop hight maths skill when deep into software engineering. Besides, the Engineering part doesn't make it the same as other Engineering fields. We have a lot of business and commerce related problems that can be solved using this field of study too.

You don't "develop" your mathematics skill when learning Software Engineering. You apply them. Any student that is good in Mathematics would of a necessity be good in Physics so I don't see why you are dodging physics on the claim that Commerce or Business subjects also have mathematics. They don't! Not at the same type of rigour. And it is really insulting and shows how poorly you have researched Software Engineering for you to say "it is not like other engineering"
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by mideactive: 1:54pm On Jan 25, 2022
airsaylongcome:


You don't "develop" your mathematics skill when learning Software Engineering. You apply them. Any student that is good in Mathematics would of a necessity be good in Physics so I don't see why you are dodging physics on the claim that Commerce or Business subjects also have mathematics. They don't! Not at the same type of rigour. And it is really insulting and shows how poorly you have researched Software Engineering for you to say "it is not like other engineering"

It's not about dodging physics, if physics is must I'll do it. As you say,the purpose of physics in software engineering is to boast brain power not because it is applicable to field itself. Software is in stages,the deeper you go the more you adapt. It's all about interest and commitment. Remember what our uni system have done to computer science? I pray they don't do the same to software engineering with unnecessary bottle-necks. You're yet to show me a uni asides Nigeria unis that makes physics a must.
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by airsaylongcome: 2:55pm On Jan 25, 2022
mideactive:


It's not about dodging physics, if physics is must I'll do it. As you say,the purpose of physics in software engineering is to boast brain power not because it is applicable to field itself. Software is in stages,the deeper you go the more you adapt. It's all about interest and commitment. Remember what our uni system have done to computer science? I pray they don't do the same to software engineering with unnecessary bottle-necks. You're yet to show me a uni asides Nigeria unis that makes physics a must.

I haven't done a detailed check but just a cursory check lists Oxford University as requiring mathematics AND further mathematics (which is even more ruthless than physics) at A-level. Most require A-level Mathematics and Computer Science which is not even available in our local syllabus. I will come back to you with one non-Nigerian University that requires physics. And what did our Universities do to computer science? Flutterwave and Paystack are products of local Universities. Or you think a Computer Science University degree prepares you for work anywhere?

Second pic https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/2022/software-engineering-foundation-year-beng-meng

Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by mideactive: 5:14pm On Jan 25, 2022
airsaylongcome:


I haven't done a detailed check but just a cursory check lists Oxford University as requiring mathematics AND further mathematics (which is even more ruthless than physics) at A-level. Most require A-level Mathematics and Computer Science which is not even available in our local syllabus. I will come back to you with one non-Nigerian University that requires physics. And what did our Universities do to computer science? Flutterwave and Paystack are products of local Universities. Or you think a Computer Science University degree prepares you for work anywhere?

Second pic https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/2022/software-engineering-foundation-year-beng-meng

For electronics Engineering it's a norm,most school I have check for software don't require it. We sure have lots of products from our university system making waves in the area of technology. The question is,did they actually aquire these knowledge from our universities. You know the huge resources,time and energy put it studying computer science. If you say it doesn't set you up for employment, what's the need then. Cus, I know lots of computer science graduates that seams useless.
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by airsaylongcome: 6:19pm On Jan 25, 2022
mideactive:


For electronics Engineering it's a norm,most school I have check for software don't require it. We sure have lots of products from our university system making waves in the area of technology. The question is,did they actually aquire these knowledge from our universities. You know the huge resources,time and energy put it studying computer science. If you say it doesn't set you up for employment, what's the need then. Cus, I know lots of computer science graduates that seams useless.

Lol! nowhere on earth did any software engineer acquire the knowledge they needed to succeed from university. I work remote for a US telecoms business. My boss is only a high school graduate. I'm Nigerian trained living in Nigeria. And NONE of my university training prepared me for my current role, but my Nigerian degree was very influential in getting me the role. Only lazy people hide under the excuse that our syllabus is old. Even our old syllabus that teaches Fortran is vary valuable for remote Fortran programming role in Scientific remote openings. Stop being lazy would be my candid advice to you. A computer science degree even with an antiquated syllabus is valuable.

You talk of Computer Science grads that "seams" useless. Do you know how many Economic ls grads are the same level of "useless". Or Drs? Or Mechanical engineers?
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by DrBrainstorm(m): 6:35pm On Jan 25, 2022
mideactive:
I browsed through the course requirements to study software engineering in Nigerian Universities,I saw physics,biology, Chemistry and agric-sceince as a must. I still don't understand what the aforementioned subject has got to do with software. This practice is not the same in other institutions in other countries of the world,why only Nigeria? Perhaps,most of the software produced in Nigeria are for commerce and business purposes and not science related. Why are they killing the dreams of commercial students that may want to dabble into software production? Why the unnecessary bottle-neck? I wish our education system can be fixed to handle so many inconsistencies that's is dragging the nation backwards.
What do you mean by the above? Show us any University around the world that offer Bsc. Software Engineering without Maths and Physics in their coursework.
Below is the curriculum of Software Engineering in the University of Auburn USA for Freshman and Sophomore.

Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by mideactive: 6:51pm On Jan 25, 2022
airsaylongcome:


Lol! nowhere on earth did any software engineer acquire the knowledge they needed to succeed from university. I work remote for a US telecoms business. My boss is only a high school graduate. I'm Nigerian trained living in Nigeria. And NONE of my university training prepared me for my current role, but my Nigerian degree was very influential in getting me the role. Only lazy people hide under the excuse that our syllabus is old. Even our old syllabus that teaches Fortran is vary valuable for remote Fortran programming role in Scientific remote openings. Stop being lazy would be my candid advice to you. A computer science degree even with an antiquated syllabus is valuable.

You talk of Computer Science grads that "seams" useless. Do you know how many Economic ls grads are the same level of "useless". Or Drs? Or Mechanical engineers?

Anyway,I don't see the need for knowledge that cannot be applied,a knowledge that's just for the sake of having a certificate. I don't know if your boss can code too,if yes, isn't that better that he actually went straight for his dreams? He saw no need for unnecessary waste,will you then call him lazy for doing so. My brother,paying turion fee in this country no be joke o. The point is, as a social science student,if I can deal with software engineering why not,why must I go and write waec and jamb again since I can do it. This is what advance countries offers that we lack.
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by airsaylongcome: 6:56pm On Jan 25, 2022
mideactive:


Anyway,I don't see the need for knowledge that cannot be applied,a knowledge that's just for the sake of having a certificate. I don't know if your boss can code too,if yes, isn't that better that he actually went straight for his dreams? He saw no need for unnecessary waste,will you then call him lazy for doing so. My brother,paying turion fee in this country no be joke o. The point is, as a social science student,if I can deal with software engineering why not,why must I go and write waec and jamb again since I can do it. This is what advance countries offers that we lack.

Software Engineering IS an engineering discipline. As a science person I can read mechanical engineering books and understand a lot of what is being discussed and solve the problems they confront. Does that then mean I am a Mechanical engineer? To be an engineer you have to undergo the rigorous training involved. Don't try to look for a short cut. If you a a Social Science student looking to go in to Computing academically, go for a MSc
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by mideactive: 7:03pm On Jan 25, 2022
DrBrainstorm:

What do you mean by the above? Show us any University around the world that offer Bsc. Software Engineering without Maths and Physics in their coursework.
Below is the curriculum of Software Engineering in the University of Auburn USA for Freshman and Sophomore.

I'm talking about entry requirements,not about their curriculum. FUTA that has Bio 101 and Chem as their as part of their 100level curriculum,I just don't understand the need for Bio and Chem in software engineering.
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by DrBrainstorm(m): 7:10pm On Jan 25, 2022
mideactive:


I'm talking about entry requirements,not about their curriculum. FUTA that has Bio 101 and Chem as their as part of their 100level curriculum,I just don't understand the need for Bio and Chem in software engineering.
Then check other Universities. BUK for example don't have Bio or Chem in their SWE curriculum, and their entry requirements is the same for core Engineering courses.
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by BlaqFaze: 9:33pm On Jan 25, 2022
Software Engineering is not all about code...for you to be an engineer at least with a degree, you'll need to get a degree in any of the STEM courses, that's just the fact anywhere in the world...

As far as degree is concerned there's no relationship between social science and software engineering, you can be self-taught but if you talking of degrees, social science/art doesn't cut it...even a pure maths degree is under sciences in the University
Re: Why Have Nigerian Universities Made Software Engineering A Science Only Course? by mideactive: 10:47pm On Jan 25, 2022
BlaqFaze:
Software Engineering is not all about code...for you to be an engineer at least with a degree, you'll need to get a degree in any of the STEM courses, that's just the fact anywhere in the world...

As far as degree is concerned there's no relationship between social science and software engineering, you can be self-taught but if you talking of degrees, social science/art doesn't cut it...even a pure maths degree is under sciences in the University

Crossing over is very possible in advanced countries,I know some instance of such instance like that. I still maintain that, software engineering is not about science alone. The system just have the mentality that a social science student cannot cope,this is very wrong. I know lots of social science students doing very well in this field.

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