Like you all know I am an African first and a Christian but I have an open mind, I can walk into any church and pray and I am not brainwashed and I don't carry religion on my head and nobody can control my mind, I still hear semons from my jw friends here in Brazil, wonderful and fantastic people


I remember back then in Nigeria, some Catholic guys walked up to me to preach because I was standing near their church and they asked me the church that I attend and I told them and they wanted to walk away and I called them back and collected the rosary that they wanted to give me and I told them that we serve one God, they were shocked, so I am not falling for that division


This is why I say I believe in the supreme being, any name you want to call the supreme being, lol


It does not matter if you are Catholic or Mormon


So my question is the white men that brought us religion why did they not read the bible??


Why did they not behave like Jesus in the bible?


They brought us Christianity which I am in support of because it really helped soften our minds, but pastors today turned it into a business empire, but the white men still use their other hand to loot us dry, kill us, and put us in chains and drag us to Europe, in fact, the white men committed a lot of atrocities in Nigeria



We can forgive because Christianity talks about forgiveness and I love it but we can't forget because it is called history


https://www.walkbrazil4k.com/2022/02/the-same-people-that-brought-us.html?m=1

Most of your points are fallacious, not factual. There are Jews and Gentiles in every gathering. Slavery was not brought to Africa by those who spread Christianity in Africa. The same way some Africans will go to America for different intentions is the way non-African missionaries and colonizers entered Africa for different intentions. If you and your brother visit a place at the same time and you choose to do good in the place but your brother chooses to commit a crime in the same place, will it be right for people to say you masterminded your brother's crime? As a matter of fact, you and your brother visiting the place at the same time might be coincidental (both of you get the opportunity at the same time), not that both of you deliberately traveled together.

The non-African missionaries worked together with the colonizers only in things that were not against humanity. Even in African countries, a Church can partner with bad politicians when those politicians embark on good projects. "Be not equally yoked with unbelievers" does not mean you should not join unbelievers when they do good, the quote means you should not participate in the unbelievers' bad practices. There are records that Churches, at some points, bought slaves. That one is bad but understandable. Those Churches compromised because Church people can sometimes stray from righteousness. But it does not mean Churches started slavery in Africa.

As a matter of fact, slavery in Africa was not introduced by colonizers. In Nigeria, for instance, rich people enslaved poor people and even used some of the poor people to bury dead humans and as sacrifices to shrines way before colonizers entered Nigeria. And Christianity did not make Africans docile towards foreign slavers. Africans captured as slaves by the foreigners resisted the foreigners. The foreigners later adopted the method of using drugs to weaken the slaves.

Regarding the Catholic people that attempted to preach to you, what they did is against Catholic doctrines. You have to understand that for everything, there are misinterpreters and abusers. Africans are responsible for all the wrong interpretations of the Bible that cause confusion in Africa. The non-African missionaries did not use Tithes to exploit Africans. Go to their own countries today, you will find out they do not make noise about tithes. The white missionaries built free schools and affordable hospitals. Christian Africans build only expensive schools without building hospitals. Africans are the ones depending on Jesus power to heal the sick. Only Catholic is serious in building hospitals in African. Most of the best hospitals in every state in Nigeria were built by Catholic. The white missionaries did not forcefully destroy shrines or ridicule idol worshipers. Africans who overdo Christianity are the ones being violent against other religions in Africa.

Christianity is not responsible for any African problem. Wrong interpretation of Christianity by Africans in Africa is what you should blame.

Thats it dont trust anybody

Dorcmass:
Thats it dont trust anybody

Lol, yes that's life

True talk ooo.

If we forget history won't also forgive us.

ehbellsho:
True talk ooo.

If we forget history won't also forgive us.

And also God hatefulness aka atheism!

immortalcrown:
Most of your points are fallacious, not factual. There are Jews and Gentiles in every gathering. Slavery was not brought to Africa by those who spread Christianity in Africa. The same way some Africans will go to America for different intentions is the way non-African missionaries and colonizers entered Africa for different intentions. If you and your brother visit a place at the same time and you choose to do good in the place but your brother chooses to commit a crime in the same place, will it be right for people to say you masterminded your brother's crime? As a matter of fact, you and your brother visiting the place at the same time might be coincidental (both of you get the opportunity at the same time), not that both of you deliberately traveled together.

The non-African missionaries worked together with the colonizers only in things that were not against humanity. Even in African countries, a Church can partner with bad politicians when those politicians embark on good projects. "Be not equally yoked with unbelievers" does not mean you should not join unbelievers when they do good, the quote means you should not participate in the unbelievers' bad practices. There are records that Churches, at some points, bought slaves. That one is bad but understandable. Those Churches compromised because Church people can sometimes stray from righteousness. But it does not mean Churches started slavery in Africa.

As a matter of fact, slavery in Africa was not introduced by colonizers. In Nigeria, for instance, rich people enslaved poor people and even used some of the poor people to bury dead humans and as sacrifices to shrines way before colonizers entered Nigeria. And Christianity did not make Africans docile towards foreign slavers. Africans captured as slaves by the foreigners resisted the foreigners. The foreigners later adopted the method of using drugs to weaken the slaves.

Regarding the Catholic people that attempted to preach to you, what they did is against Catholic doctrines. You have to understand that for everything, there are misinterpreters and abusers. Africans are responsible for all the wrong interpretations of the Bible that cause confusion in Africa. The non-African missionaries did not use Tithes to exploit Africans. Go to their own countries today, you will find out they do not make noise about tithes. The white missionaries built free schools and affordable hospitals. Christian Africans build only expensive schools without building hospitals. Africans are the ones depending on Jesus power to heal the sick. Only Catholic is serious in building hospitals in African. Most of the best hospitals in every state in Nigeria were built by Catholic. The white missionaries did not forcefully destroy shrines or ridicule idol worshipers. Africans who overdo Christianity are the ones being violent against other religions in Africa.

Christianity is not responsible for any African problem. Wrong interpretation of Christianity by Africans in Africa is what you should blame.

Since you can acknowledge that religious people are prone to do good as they do bad, why do you religious people love to say you need chriatianity/religion to be a good person?

1Sharon:
Since you can acknowledge that religious people are prone to do good as they do bad, why do you religious people love to say you need chriatianity/religion to be a good person?

Religious people can be good or bad because humans are imperfect in nature. No matter how consistent you are in doing something, you will occasionally derail from doing that thing. Christianity is needed for people to be good because Christianity encourages good attitudes.

Just as you can survive without balanced diet but balanced diet makes your survival more attainable, that is how people can be good without Christianity but Christianity offers the most encouragement to goodness.

1Sharon:


Since you can acknowledge that religious people are prone to do good as they do bad, why do you religious people love to say you need chriatianity/religion to be a good person?

You actually don't need Christianity to be good actually, your conscience which is the divine map is there to guide your activities right.

Once you are doing something that is wrong, your conscience will judge your actions or inactions.
What you need Christianity for is actually redemption and salvation.

immortalcrown:
Most of your points are fallacious, not factual. There are Jews and Gentiles in every gathering. Slavery was not brought to Africa by those who spread Christianity in Africa. The same way some Africans will go to America for different intentions is the way non-African missionaries and colonizers entered Africa for different intentions. If you and your brother visit a place at the same time and you choose to do good in the place but your brother chooses to commit a crime in the same place, will it be right for people to say you masterminded your brother's crime? As a matter of fact, you and your brother visiting the place at the same time might be coincidental (both of you get the opportunity at the same time), not that both of you deliberately traveled together.

The non-African missionaries worked together with the colonizers only in things that were not against humanity. Even in African countries, a Church can partner with bad politicians when those politicians embark on good projects. "Be not equally yoked with unbelievers" does not mean you should not join unbelievers when they do good, the quote means you should not participate in the unbelievers' bad practices. There are records that Churches, at some points, bought slaves. That one is bad but understandable. Those Churches compromised because Church people can sometimes stray from righteousness. But it does not mean Churches started slavery in Africa.

As a matter of fact, slavery in Africa was not introduced by colonizers. In Nigeria, for instance, rich people enslaved poor people and even used some of the poor people to bury dead humans and as sacrifices to shrines way before colonizers entered Nigeria. And Christianity did not make Africans docile towards foreign slavers. Africans captured as slaves by the foreigners resisted the foreigners. The foreigners later adopted the method of using drugs to weaken the slaves.

Regarding the Catholic people that attempted to preach to you, what they did is against Catholic doctrines. You have to understand that for everything, there are misinterpreters and abusers. Africans are responsible for all the wrong interpretations of the Bible that cause confusion in Africa. The non-African missionaries did not use Tithes to exploit Africans. Go to their own countries today, you will find out they do not make noise about tithes. The white missionaries built free schools and affordable hospitals. Christian Africans build only expensive schools without building hospitals. Africans are the ones depending on Jesus power to heal the sick. Only Catholic is serious in building hospitals in African. Most of the best hospitals in every state in Nigeria were built by Catholic. The white missionaries did not forcefully destroy shrines or ridicule idol worshipers. Africans who overdo Christianity are the ones being violent against other religions in Africa.

Christianity is not responsible for any African problem. Wrong interpretation of Christianity by Africans in Africa is what you should blame.

You are right about that part above, but the white man bought slaves so this makes them evil as well

walkbrazil4k:

You are right about that part above, but the white man bought slaves so this makes them evil as well

The argument is not about whether there are evil white men or not. The argument is were white slavers also the white missionaries and was slavery in Africa introduced by white men? Foreign missionaries were not foreign slavers. If slavery was not already in Africa before the coming of the white men, white men could not have succeeded in enslaving Africans. White men did not directly take Africans as slaves. The enslaved Africans were sold by their fellow Africans.

walkbrazil4k:

You are right about that part above, but the white man bought slaves so this makes them evil as well

You made just one mistake!

Those white men brought a book (Bible) they knew nothing about Christianity. They were politicians planning to expand their domain and they choose the Bible as their weapon to soften the hearts of their subjects and buy the hearts of their former rulers over.

True Christianity has been enslaved since the death of all the Apostles of Christ what remains during the dark ages was misinformed Churchgoers claiming Christians not until Jesus returned in the year 1914 to restructure his group and restore it back to the way he established it.

So those white men who brought the Bible weren't CHRISTIANS!

MaxInDHouse:


You made just one mistake!

Those white men brought a book (Bible) they knew nothing about not Christianity. They were politicians planning to expand their domain and they choose the Bible as their weapon to soften the hearts of their subjects and buy the hearts of their former rulers over.

True Christianity has been enslaved since the death of all the Apostles of Christ what remains during the dark ages was misinformed Churchgoers claiming Christians not until Jesus returned in the year 1914 to restructure his group and restore it back to the way he established it.

So those white men who brought the Bible weren't CHRISTIANS!

Lol

immortalcrown:

The argument is not about whether there are evil white men or not. The argument is were white slavers also the white missionaries and was slavery in Africa introduced by white men? Foreign missionaries were not foreign slavers. If slavery was not already in Africa before the coming of the white men, white men could not have succeeded in enslaving Africans. White men did not directly take Africans as slaves. The enslaved Africans were sold by their fellow Africans.

Yes Africans sold Africans but the white men were already in the trade of buying humans as well

If you know this is a stolen property and you buy it, what do we call the person then?

BItt:

You actually don't need Christianity to be good actually, your conscience which is the divine map is there to guide your activities right.

Once you are doing something that is wrong, your conscience will judge your actions or inactions.
What you need Christianity for is actually redemption and salvation.

this is the problem with religion.... unsubstantiated claims.

BItt:

You actually don't need Christianity to be good actually, your conscience which is the divine map is there to guide your activities right.

Once you are doing something that is wrong, your conscience will judge your actions or inactions.
What you need Christianity for is actually redemption and salvation.

True

immortalcrown:


Religious people can be good or bad because humans are imperfect in nature. No matter how consistent you are in doing something, you will occasionally derail from doing that thing. Christianity is needed for people to be good because Christianity encourages good attitudes.

Just as you can survive without balanced diet but balanced diet makes your survival more attainable, that is how people can be good without Christianity but Christianity offers the most encouragement to goodness.

Why are you contradicting yourself?
Since you admitted religious people can be good or bad becaude humans are imperfect, why now say Christianity is needed for people to be good?

Christianity encouraging good attributes is arguable!

1Sharon:
Why are you contradicting yourself?
Since you admitted religious people can be good or bad becaude humans are imperfect, why now say Christianity is needed for people to be good? Christianity encouraging good attributes is arguable!

You can travel far by trekking instead of using a vehicle but a vehicle will make your journey better. Christianity is a vehicle for a better journey to goodness. Would you say your ability to trek makes a vehicle needless in a far journey? I am not contradicting myself. You are just using your sentiment to misinterpret my comment.

walkbrazil4k:
Yes Africans sold Africans but the white men were already in the trade of buying humans as well. If you know this is a stolen property and you buy it, what do we call the person then?

You obviously did not use your brain to analyze my main comment. You used your sentiment to distort the facts I presented. I never said white men who bought Africans in slavery are innocent of slavery, and I never said there were no white slavers in Africa. I said slavery in Africa was not introduced by white slavers. And I never said white slavers who traded Africans are good people. I said white men who came to Africa for slavery were different from white men who came to Africa for Christianity.

immortalcrown:

You can travel far by trekking instead of using a vehicle but a vehicle will make your journey better. Christianity is a vehicle for a better journey to goodness. Would you say your ability to trek makes a vehicle needless in a far journey? I am not contradicting myself. You are just using your sentiment to misinterpret my comment.

The problem here is the difference between the way humans define that adjective "GOOD" and how God defines it.
From the standpoint of God no single human is GOOD {Psalms 14:2-3} that's why Jesus (God's only begotten Son) could say no one is GOOD except God. Luke 18:19
So when it comes to the definition of that adjective "GOOD" intelligent humans try to decipher what is God's definition of GOOD?
Because if anyone is able to meet up with that standard within the next six months everyone will be convinced that they're evil when compared to the person who meets the requirements of being called GOOD by God!

immortalcrown:


You obviously did not use your brain to analyze my main comment. You used your sentiment to distort the facts I presented. I never said white men who bought Africans in slavery are innocent of slavery, and I never said there were no white slavers in Africa. I said slavery in Africa was not introduced by white slavers. And I never said white slavers who traded Africans are good people. I said white men who came to Africa for slavery were different from white men who came to Africa for Christianity.

You are a confused little boy,because you can't debate without insults, what if the missionaries was an advance team of the white slave traders to soften the mind of the people, did your little brain also tell you that? Look, I am a Christian but I am not brainwashed and I still believe chiristianity saved Africa, bye

1Sharon:


this is the problem with religion.... unsubstantiated claims.

redemption is real! Salvation is real ! and Jesus loves you...

walkbrazil4k:


You are a confused little boy,because you can't debate without insults, what if the missionaries was an advance team of the white slave traders to soften the mind of the people, did your little brain also tell you that? Look, I am a Christian but I am not brainwashed and I still believe chiristianity saved Africa, bye

Saved Africa from what?
Aren’t the effects of the exploitation and destruction perpetrated by the mercantile class and the priests still apparent?

What exactly did Christianity save Africa from when even the beneficial actions of the priests were to aid the mercantile class’ exploitation of the land and people?

walkbrazil4k:


You are a confused little boy,because you can't debate without insults, what if the missionaries was an advance team of the white slave traders to soften the mind of the people, did your little brain also tell you that? Look, I am a Christian but I am not brainwashed and I still believe chiristianity saved Africa, bye

Your usage of "What if..." clearly shows you are only using sentiments and assumptions in this argument. You have not presented any fact. The missionaries were not used by the slave traders because the missionaries did not preach that slavery is biblically right. Also, the Africans that were enslaved by the white slavers never had soft minds towards the white slavers. Those Africans forcefully resisted the slavery to an extent that the white slavers began to use drugs to weaken those slaves. No history says Africans humbly accepted to be enslaved by white people. So, how did white missionaries soften the minds of Africans for slavery? I already said in my main comment that the white missionaries' preaching never made Africans docile in slavery. But your sentiment prevented you from taking note of the points in my main comment.

I have a justification to tell you that your sentiment rendered your brain less active when you read my comment. The justification is that I presented enough undeniable facts in my comment. And I did not quickly conclude that you are sentimental. I exchanged many comments with you before saying you are sentimental.

killyaselfie:


Saved Africa from what?
Aren’t the effects of the exploitation and destruction perpetrated by the mercantile class and the priests still apparent?

What exactly did Christianity save Africa from when even the beneficial actions of the priests were to aid the mercantile class’ exploitation of the land and people?

No doubt bro, the white men also brought chains but I still believe the missionaries did a very good job, in my previous writeup I talked about Mary slessor how she stopped the killing of twins so they helped even though they still killed us and again Christianity really soften the heart of the black man and like I said before a black man might want to hurt you but because of God he won't and I mean The God related to jesus, because we have alot of God's, lol

immortalcrown:


Your usage of "What if..." clearly shows you are only using sentiments and assumptions in this argument. You have not presented any fact. The missionaries were not used by the slave traders because the missionaries did not preach that slavery is biblically right. Also, the Africans that were enslaved by the white slavers never had soft minds towards the white slavers. Those Africans forcefully resisted the slavery to an extent that the white slavers began to use drugs to weaken those slaves. No history says Africans humbly accepted to be enslaved by white people. So, how did white missionaries soften the minds of Africans for slavery? I already said in my main comment that the white missionaries' preaching never made Africans docile in slavery. But your sentiment prevented you from taking note of the points in my main comment.

I have a justification to tell you that your sentiment rendered your brain less active when you read my comment. The justification is that I presented enough undeniable facts in my comment. And I did not quickly conclude that you are sentimental. I exchanged many comments with you before saying you are sentimental.

What "if" means is me thinking outside the box, exploring everything that could have happened back then and I would have loved to go back and forth with you but you started throwing insults, next time be civil and debate like an adult, Bye

walkbrazil4k:


What "if" means is me thinking outside the box, exploring everything that could have happened back then and I would have loved to go back and forth with you but you started throwing insults, next time be civil and debate like an adult, Bye

An assumption is not used to deny a known fact. An assumption is used for uncertainty. That white missionaries were different from white slavers is a recorded fact. No history has claimed that white missionaries were the white people who started buying Africans as slaves. Therefore, your "What if..." is childish in this argument. If you say white missionaries were used to soften the hearts of Africans, which words did the missionaries use to do so? If you say white missionaries introduced slavery in Africa, which white missionaries did it and which Church parishes did those particular missionaries head?

The same people gave you phones, cars internet etc

Steep:

The same people gave you phones, cars internet etc

When talking about the slave trade most don't realize that it's all about racism, people kidnap people and sell them off into slavery far away from home where others can easily recognize them! Genesis 37:28
This has nothing to do with blacks or white because the slave trade cut across all the continents therefore it's myopic to conclude that only the white that were making blacks their slaves.
The white in general fought among themselves to end it, the blacks are still in the business so they (white) concentrated on the people who are still ready to sell off their kind as slaves (Blacks)
But it's inside their senate house in London that these same white people fought within themselves to end ancient style of slave trade completely our own people still want to continue in the business if not for this same white people.
We need to be open minded to see things clearly instead of ignorantly jumping into wrong conclusion.
As for Christianity whoever read and meditate thoroughly on the words of Jesus (the first century Jewish carpenter known as CHRIST) will know that those that brought the Bible to Africa only feel that it's a good book they weren't Christians!

Steep:
The same people gave you phones, cars internet etc

But who did they use to build those companies? It was build on the back of the captives, Hahaha,