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Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by PoliteActivist: 3:50pm On Mar 30, 2022
Svlla:


Well they just did grin

Meaning what? That that's not Sukharev or that he was wearing Ukrainian uniform?
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by Svlla: 3:54pm On Mar 30, 2022
PoliteActivist:


Meaning what? That that's not Sukharev or that he was wearing Ukrainian uniform?

That whoever he is, if he's dead or alive, if he's in active combat duty, deployed, command post or in reserve, he's not Russian

He's uniform is saying he's Ukrainian

It takes a discerning and vigilant mind to be able to pluck clean the bone of fact and truth from the rotten flesh of lies in war times
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by PoliteActivist: 4:07pm On Mar 30, 2022
Svlla:


That whoever he is, if he's dead or alive, if he's in active combat duty, deployed, command post or in reserve, he's not Russian

He's uniform is saying he's Ukrainian

It takes a discerning and vigilant mind to be able to pluck clean the bone of fact and truth from the rotten flesh of lies in war times

All these below are all wrong, and all news outlets all wrong, and you are right? Impossicant

Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by VictorUSA(m): 4:23pm On Mar 30, 2022
baralatie, the minsk1 was ineffective from the onset and that was what led to the minsk2 in 2015.Russia never wanted Ukraine in eu but they've let go of that. About the four conditions you claim to have been satisfied in the talks in Instanbul, you can help list them out with the solutions in my mention pls.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by Svlla: 4:38pm On Mar 30, 2022
PoliteActivist:


All these below are all wrong, and all news outlets all wrong, and you are right? Impossicant

1. Why can't I be right and them wrong?

2. Am not disputing the body of the story you posted but the picture attached with it said Russian Colonel but the colonel is in Ukrainian official uniform

It's very simple man, it doesn't take great knowledge or sharp eyesight to see that the uniform is Ukrainian

Look again. At the star and at the medal and see Ukraine pale blue and Yellow

Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by Svlla: 4:41pm On Mar 30, 2022
@PoliteActivist

Now look at the Russian uniform and look at the star and medals

See: the red, blue and white in the star very distinguishable from the yellow and blue in the Ukrainian star you posted

Sorry bro, you've been lied to but it happens

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Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by VictorUSA(m): 4:58pm On Mar 30, 2022
AJSfan, sir you can pass your opinion without actually insulting me.I may not know much about sphere of influence but that does not mean because I'm from 3rd world country.

U.S invasion of cuba could bf justified becaus the U.S isn't a brutal neighbour.Russia's invasion of ukraine couldn't be justified because they're brutal neighbours.They tend to impose their will on the weaker neighbours and subject them to unwilling acceptance of conditions.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by AJSfan: 5:21pm On Mar 30, 2022
VictorUSA:
AJSfan, sir you can pass your opinion without actually insulting me.I may not know much about sphere of influence but that does not mean because I'm from 3rd world country.

U.S invasion of cuba could bf justified becaus the U.S isn't a brutal neighbour.Russia's invasion of ukraine couldn't be justified because they're brutal neighbours.They tend to impose their will on the weaker neighbours and subject them to unwilling acceptance of conditions.
Apologies Sir. No insult intended.

The USA is no brutal neighbor? I suggest you read about their invasion of Grenada. They invaded a sovereign neighboring country, killed the president just because they wanted to practice socialism.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by PoliteActivist: 5:30pm On Mar 30, 2022
Svlla:
@PoliteActivist

Now look at the Russian uniform and look at the star and medals

See: the red, blue and white in the star very distinguishable from the yellow and blue in the Ukrainian star you posted

Sorry bro, you've been lied to but it happens

This is clearly the guy. Which begs the question, why us he wearing Ukrainian uniform (according to you)

Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by VictorUSA(m): 6:02pm On Mar 30, 2022
AJSfan, no qualms.Ronald Reagan ordered troops into Grenada to protect the over 1000 US students in the country.It has been an issue of concern long before the invasion took place and Bernard was overthrown.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by AJSfan: 6:08pm On Mar 30, 2022
VictorUSA:
AJSfan, no qualms.Ronald Reagan ordered troops into Grenada to defend the over 1000 US students in the country.
And kill the president?
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by VictorUSA(m): 6:19pm On Mar 30, 2022
AJSfan:
And kill the president?
Sir bernard's killing could be justified because he assassinated Bishop before taking power.He was a brutal marxist and dictator.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by efficiencie(m): 6:38pm On Mar 30, 2022
PoliteActivist:


grin My friend people actually living in the West are laughing at you because they KNOW you are talking nonsense.
There is a difference between a mistaken strike and intentionally and repeatedly committing war crimes. There is a difference between an action authorized by UN and flagrantly disobeying an ICC order and clearly unequivocally repeatedly commiting war crimes in the process.. I bet you: we'll see Putin on trial sooner than you expect.

A mistaken strike? Wow. A mistaken strike that killed children? In a sane world he would have resigned. If Trump ordered that strike you would have been part of the fools calling for him to be prosecuted. Do you even know what a war crime is? Anything passes for a war crime these days. When the US sent weapons to insurgents and terrorists in Syria to fight a sovereign leader did you call that a war crime? How come you picked the Biden example I gave but conveniently excused the atrocities of Obama and Bush. Would you classify what Bush did in Iraq as a war crime? You had better stop deluding yourself. The ICC is the attack dog of the west to publicly humiliate the leaders of weak countries opposed to western interests. It's that simple. This is why I have learned that in the game of life, if you must choose between being feared and being loved, I'd choose to be feared because love is of God and nothing on earth is divine.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by AJSfan: 6:50pm On Mar 30, 2022
VictorUSA:
Sir bernard's killing could be justified because he assassinated Bishop before taking power.He was a brutal marxist and dictator.
President of a sovereign nation? And you don't think the death of 14,000 Russians in Ukraine justifies Putin's invasion?

Russia is as much a world power as the USA ranking second on Global firepower index. However they have been less problematic. Since after the 2nd world war it is the USA that has kept invading other countries. Russia hasn't invaded up to half the number of time USA has.

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Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by Nobody: 6:53pm On Mar 30, 2022
Flets:


Only the sanctions that impact the west will be lifted.

All other sanctions will stay put. Quote me when all the sanctions are lifted.

Putin lost both the battle and the war.


Russia would be put back on the swift network,
all Russian oligarch would get their assets returned to them and roman abramovich might decide to continue to own Chelsea or not that's his choice
France,US and EU would lift sanctions on foreign reserves in Russia central Bank
All companies would return to Moscow

all this would happen because the sanctions were not to end Russian economy but to put pressure on the war effort and this has been accomplished and I expect the sanctions to be lifted ASAP otherwise the West is now the aggressor,but putin has a case to answer but in heaven I presume, lol
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by PoliteActivist: 7:02pm On Mar 30, 2022
efficiencie:


A mistaken strike? Wow. A mistaken strike that killed children? In a sane world he would have resigned. If Trump ordered that strike you would have been part of the fools calling for him to be prosecuted. Do you even know what a war crime is? Anything passes for a war crime these days. When the US sent weapons to insurgents and terrorists in Syria to fight a sovereign leader did you call that a war crime? How come you picked the Biden example I gave but conveniently excused the atrocities of Obama and Bush. Would you classify what Bush did in Iraq as a war crime? You had better stop deluding yourself. The ICC is the attack dog of the west to publicly humiliate the leaders of weak countries opposed to western interests. It's that simple. This is why I have learned that in the game of life, if you must choose between being feared and being loved, I'd choose to be feared because love is of God and nothing on earth is divine.

You people keep mentioning Iraq, when you know full well there is no basis fir comparison whatsoever. See below, 49 countries participated in the Iraq War. Sadam Hussein was pretending to have WMD's refusing to allow inspectors access. All he had to do was say "see, come and see for yourselves, I have nothing". Which has led to speculation the WMD's were moved overseas just b4 the war. That's what you are comparing to Putin massing troops at border and invading a sovereign peacful nation while the entire world was pleading with them not to, and after lying he won't!

Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by efficiencie(m): 7:07pm On Mar 30, 2022
PoliteActivist:


You people keep mentioning Iraq, when you know full well there is no basis fir comparison whatsoever. See below, 49 countries participated in the Iraq War. Sadam Hussein was pretending to have WMD's refusing to allow inspectors access. All he had to do was say "see, come and see for yourselves, I have nothing". Which has led to speculation the WMD's were moved overseas just b4 the war. That's what you are comparing to Putin massing troops at border and invading a sovereign peacful nation while the entire world was pleading with them not to, and after lying he won't!

That's a lie. The IAEA team were granted access, they did their job and found no WMDs yet the Bush invaded. At the time some US citizens were against the war. And even if Iraq had WMDs was it enough justification for Bush to invade a sovereign country? If yes, the Russia's claim that Ukraine was going to be an attack vector against Russia was enough justification to invade Ukraine. Why are you guys deliberately blindfolding yourselves? The real terrorist is the US government and their allies. The 49 countries you listed are mostly NATO members and NATO is a terrorist organisation. They have led Ukraine into the jaws of Putin and now you guys are whining when Putin decided to munch on the delicious meal. Dey dia.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by VictorUSA(m): 7:09pm On Mar 30, 2022
AJSfan, sir i actually agree with you about Russia being a world power as much as U.S.But the US never annexed any neighbouring country and wrongly recognized the independence of regions in a neighbouring country.

I disagree with the point that US have been more problematic than Russia.U.S always invade with reasons that are valid.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by efficiencie(m): 7:12pm On Mar 30, 2022
VictorUSA:
AJSfan, sir i actually agree with you about Russia being a world power as much as U.S.But the US never annexed any neighbouring country and wrongly recognized the independence of regions in a neighbouring country.

I disagree with the point that US have been more problematic than Russia.U.S always invade with reasons that are valid.

Which reason? Which reason justifies drone strike after drone strike killing women and children during Obama's regime. Dude don't delude yourself there is no reason that justifies killing people even if they do wrong. That is why in many same climes life imprisonment is preferred to the capital punishment. What Putin did is bad but the US government and NATO do not have any moral standing to judge Putin. You said the US does not annex neighbors then what is NATO? They call it a military alliance but it is actually annexation. You either join or the west floods your country with armed terrorists.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by PoliteActivist: 7:15pm On Mar 30, 2022
efficiencie:


That's a lie. The IAEA team were granted access, they did their job and found no WMDs yet the Bush invaded. At the time some US citizens were against the war. And even if Iraq had WMDs was it enough justification for Bush to invade a sovereign country? If yes, the Russia's claim that Ukraine was going to be an attack vector against Russia was enough justification to invade Ukraine. Why are you guys deliberately blindfolding yourselves? The real terrorist is the US government and their allies. The 49 countries you listed are mostly NATO members and NATO is a terrorist organisation. They have led Ukraine into the jaws of Putin and now you guys are whining when Putin decided to munch on the delicious meal. Dey dia.

You people are just FUNNY!! The history is right there, gi and read it!

Also Saddam Hussein was a corrupt BRUTAL dictator, together with his two sons, and was paying suicide bombers and sponsoring terrorists (there were clear concrete evidence). This is what you are comparing with Ukraine. You people are shameless!

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Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by AJSfan: 7:24pm On Mar 30, 2022
VictorUSA:
AJSfan, sir i actually agree with you about Russia being a world power as much as U.S.But the US never annexed any neighbouring country and wrongly recognized the independence of regions in a neighbouring country.

I disagree with the point that US have been more problematic than Russia.U.S always invade with reasons that are valid.
what did they do in Kosovo?

Hope you know they took Texas and California from Mexico
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by VictorUSA(m): 7:30pm On Mar 30, 2022
efficiencie, death is inevitable in war, but the US didnot actually intentionally target women and children as propaganda sugested.

Nato did not have the legal or treaty-bound standing to judge Russia but they actually have the moral standing to do that.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by efficiencie(m): 7:39pm On Mar 30, 2022
PoliteActivist:


You people are just FUNNY!! The history is right there, gi and read it!

Also Saddam Hussein was a corrupt BRUTAL dictator, together with his two sons, and was paying suicide bombers and sponsoring terrorists (there were clear concrete evidence). This is what you are comparing with Ukraine. You people are shameless!

Which history? History written by the west? Dude again I say don't delude yourself. Saddam may be whatever but it does not give Bush the right to invade a sovereign country and slaughter countless innocents.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by GerogeI(m): 7:41pm On Mar 30, 2022
ken6488:
answer my question not link how many USA president has been tried

Russia does not recognise the ICC, so also USA and China. Britain does, but has flouted the rulings of the court without regard in the case of falk Island wars.

No Russian official can be tried at the ICC talkless of the President. Merely arresting Russian Foreign Affairs Minister Lavrov and taking him to Hague in Neitherlands (a country of about 20million people only ( will bring Russian misses to the Hague).

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Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by efficiencie(m): 7:43pm On Mar 30, 2022
VictorUSA:
efficiencie, death is inevitable in war, but the US didnot actually intentionally target women and children as propaganda sugested.

Nato did not have the legal or treaty-bound standing to judge Russia but they actually have the moral standing to do that.

See this man ohh. So if a leader unintentionally kills women and children he or she should not be brought to book? You claim you are hunting terrorists but you kill innocents. Why are you guys so hypocritical like this. If members of the Nigerian police force act like you are saying now you will say they are evil and wicked. If a policeman kills an innocent person mistakenly you will immediately order that the police man be prosecuted and jailed. This was what happened to the office that knelt on George Floyd's before he died. The policeman stood on his point that his action was not meant to kill him but to restrain him yet he was prosecuted and he is in jail. Obama, Bush and Biden should be in jail now but folks like you exonerate them so that they can continue with their carnage.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by efficiencie(m): 8:04pm On Mar 30, 2022
PoliteActivist:


You people are just FUNNY!! The history is right there, gi and read it!

Also Saddam Hussein was a corrupt BRUTAL dictator, together with his two sons, and was paying suicide bombers and sponsoring terrorists (there were clear concrete evidence). This is what you are comparing with Ukraine. You people are shameless!


https://youtube.com/shorts/cIssHi4mq8s?feature=share
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by PoliteActivist: 8:05pm On Mar 30, 2022
efficiencie:


Which history? History written by the west? Dude again I say don't delude yourself. Saddam may be whatever but it does not give Bush the right to invade a sovereign country and slaughter countless innocents.

It was not just Bush, 48 other countries were not only in support but encouraged and participated. That's what you are comparing to the whole world begging Putin not to invade, and him doing exactly that - after lying he won't, with video evidence to support the lie!
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by PoliteActivist: 8:10pm On Mar 30, 2022
efficiencie:


See this man ohh. So if a leader unintentionally kills women and children he or she should not be brought to book? You claim you are hunting terrorists but you kill innocents. Why are you guys so hypocritical like this. If members of the Nigerian police force act like you are saying now you will say they are evil and wicked. If a policeman kills an innocent person mistakenly you will immediately order that the police man be prosecuted and jailed. This was what happened to the office that knelt on George Floyd's before he died. The policeman stood on his point that his action was not meant to kill him but to restrain him yet he was prosecuted and he is in jail. Obama, Bush and Biden should be in jail now but folks like you exonerate them so that they can continue with their carnage.

Stop making RIDICULOUS comparisons. There are always mistakes in wars including friendly fire. US amply compensates the victims of their mistakes and resettles those who need it to US. That's what you are comparing to pointedly targeting women and children and refugees!
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by PoliteActivist: 8:40pm On Mar 30, 2022
efficiencie:



https://youtube.com/shorts/cIssHi4mq8s?feature=share

Of all people you are asking Trump. Why don't you ask Obama and let's compare or ask all ex-presidents and let's hear the consensus. BTW same Trump has shifted to saying Putin made a big mistake invading Ukraine!
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by VictorUSA(m): 8:53pm On Mar 30, 2022
AJSfan:
what did they do in Kosovo?

Hope you know they took Texas and California from Mexico
Kosovo declared its independence itself and was not annexed by any country.The ICJ established that the declaration of independence didn't violate any international law.Over 90 countries recognized kosovo's independence.This is unlike russia who annexed crimea, icj didn't recognize that.

Texas was a sovereign republic that self declared independence and was later admitted to the union.US didn't annex texas.

California was annexed in the mexican-american war but that was because california was fighting for independeoce.
Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by Adjovi: 9:06pm On Mar 30, 2022
Svlla:
@PoliteActivist

Look at the colors of that medal carrying a star @top left shoulder


Then compare with the one you posted

See the difference??


Why are you guys wasting your time replying this guy. He knows nothing about international politics, he will only try to blackmail you emotionally

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Re: The Ukraine-russian Peace Talks In Istanbul Ended. The Results: by VictorUSA(m): 9:07pm On Mar 30, 2022
Sir efficiencie, I don't know how those people you mentioned be brought to book for doing bad.These people fought terrorists from iraq to syria and afghanistan and other countries.U.S always fight a selfless fight to promote freedom and liberty.Unlike russia who doesn't care about whether or not you live in chaos, all they care is to sell weapons.

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