31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’
32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery. - Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

7 The Pharisees asked, “Then why did Moses give a command allowing a man to divorce his wife by writing a certificate of divorce?”
8 Jesus answered, “Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because you refused to accept God’s teaching. But divorce was not allowed in the beginning.
9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, and marries another woman is guilty of adultery.” - Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

10 Later, when the followers and Jesus were in the house, they asked him again about the question of divorce. 
11 He said, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman has sinned against his wife. He is guilty of adultery. 
12  And the woman who divorces her husband and marries another man is also guilty of adultery.” - Mark 10 vs 10- 12

18 “Any man who divorces his wife and marries another woman is guilty of adultery. And the man who marries a divorced woman is also guilty of adultery.” - Luke 16 vs 18

11 He answered, “This statement is true for some, but not for everyone—only for those who have been given this gift.
12 There are different reasons why some men don’t marry. Some were born without the ability to produce children. Others were made that way later in life. And others have given up marriage because of God’s kingdom. This is for anyone who is able to accept it.” - Matthew 19 vs 11 - 12

Magnoliaa:
So sin happens when a divorced person remarries [anybody who isn't their "ex-spouse"]?

Kobojunkie:
Except if the reason for the divorce was sexual sin. In this case it is not sin.

Magnoliaa:
I know. So if it's not on sexual unfaithfulness grounds, remarrying as a divorced person is sin?

Kobojunkie:
Yes! That is what is sin. Divorce in and of itself is however not a sin.

Magnoliaa:
Okay. And if the divorced couple come back together again to remarry, would that still be a sin?

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe in is sin in that case since the specifications list the marrying of another as sin.

So if a divorced couple get back together, they commit no sin.

Kobojunkie:
In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is sin. Instead, He speaks of remarriage being potential sin for those divorced.
■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

■Mark 10 vs 10- 12

■ Luke 16 vs 18


Divorce in and of itself is not a sin, so says Jesus Christ.

tctrills:
You seem to forget one little truth though, The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
[4] And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
[5] And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
[6] Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
[7] They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
[8] He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand what you are trying to say at all.

tctrills:
You seem to forget one little truth though, The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
[4] And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
[5] And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
[6] Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
[7] They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
[8] He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

LilMissFavvy:
1. Yes, divorce done based on the two grounds which Bible stipulated is not sin.

2. Unfortunately, majority of churches today will always tell women in bad marriages to endure, they now say "forgiveness" is used to counter infidelity/divorce. I was shocked to hear these brainwashed* teachings from a born again Christian married woman. Meaning that even if a woman's health is at risk, she has to still forgive her husband's infidelity and stay in the marriage, and pray for healing, how funny.

Kobojunkie:
1. Not according to Jesus Christ's own words, I am afraid..

Jesus Christ never actually teaches that divorce is sin. Divorce is not sin, and this irrespective of the reasons given for it.

2. The reason for the problem is the false doctrine that teaches divorce as sin, when it isn't sin at all.

Also, Forgiveness, was never demanded by God as counter to infidelity or divorce. These doctrines are antiChrist since Jesus Christ never taught us to forgive others for their sake. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to remain in a toxic marriage even after forgiving a spouse's sins against one. Forgiveness as taugt us by Jesus Christ mandates no such.

LilMissFavvy:
Take your time and read my messages carefully, you can read it tomorrow if you are sleepy. I am trying to say that you are totally correct, only that you mention "infidelity" alone. So I added the second grounds for divorce which Paul gave.

Kobojunkie:
But you are missing the message here which is there are are grounds for which Divorce is sin, none whatsoever!

if, for instancd, a person decides to quit a marriage simply because he/she realizes marriage is too stressful, there is no sin committed. That is what Jesus Christ Himself is telling you. Divorce is NOT a sin..

LilMissFavvy:
1. Hahahahah...... which part of Bible said you can divorce if you are tired of the marriage?

2. Such scriptures do not exist Kobo, you can't quit marriage because it's stressful. If you quit marriage because it's stressful, then you have committed sin, because that wasn't the grounds provided in the Bible for divorce.

3. I know you will twist the scriptures to prove whatever you wish, but it's your opinion, not in the Bible.

7 The Pharisees asked, “Then why did Moses give a command allowing a man to divorce his wife by writing a certificate of divorce ?”

8 Jesus answered, “Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because you refused to accept God’s teaching. But divorce was not allowed in the beginning.
9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, and marries another woman is guilty of adultery.” - Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

Kobojunkie:
1. It's right there before your eyes but for some reason you do not see it yet. Let me try to show it to you again..
In verse 9 above, Jesus Christ tells us that the sin of adultery happens, not when the divorce takes place but instead when remarriage happens in the case that the divorce was not a result of sexual sin..

Meaning divorce is not sin. Instead the issue of sin comes in when remarriage is considered..

2. Following what is written even in Matthew 19 vs 9 above, you should be able to see that Divorce, on any grounds even the one I stated, is not sin. It is only in remarrying that one potentially sins.

3. You are fond of accusing me of twisting scripture. The last conversation we had ended with you accusing but failing to, when called upon to, provide evidence to back up your accusation. And I am sure you will also have no evidence to offer even now.

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As for the beginning when divorce was not allowed, well, Jesus Christ was referring to Genesis 2 vs 24 when God instituted marriage. However by Genesis 3 vs 16, after man fell, God cursed marriage, making divorce a thing.

LilMissFavvy:
1. Anyone who who leaves his wife or husband outside the two permitted reasons in the Bible has automatically committed sin. This is because such a person has exposed himself and his divorced partner to either sexual immorality or remarrying.

2. What do you mean by it is only when one remarries that it becomes adultery (sin), even if you are going to stop yourself from remarrying/committing fornication,

3. are you going to chain your divorced partner from remarrying or having sex after the divorce? As soon as you divorce your partner, you have automatically exposed the person, so the divorce is sin, you can only be free if it was based on two grounds Bible allowed.

You(wife) will want your husband very much,
    but he(husband) will rule over you(wife).” - Genesis 3 vs 16b

6 The Lord spoke to me during the time King Josiah was ruling the nation of Judah. He said, “Jeremiah, you saw the bad things Israel did! You saw how she was unfaithful to me. She was unfaithful to me with every idol on every hill and under every green tree.
7 I said to myself, ‘Israel will come back to me after she has finished doing these evil things.’ But she did not come back to me. And Israel’s unfaithful sister, Judah, saw what she did.
8 Israel was unfaithful, and she knew why I sent her away. Israel knew that I divorced her because she committed the sin of adultery. But that did not make her unfaithful sister afraid. Judah was not afraid. She also went out and acted like a prostitute.
9 Judah did not care that she was acting like a prostitute. So she made her country ‘dirty.’ She committed the sin of adultery by worshiping idols made out of stone and wood. - Jeremiah 3 vs 6 - 9

16 Then God said to the woman,
“I will cause you to have much trouble when you are pregnant. And when you give birth to children, you will have much pain.... - Genesis 3 vs 16a

Kobojunkie:
In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is a sin. Instead, He speaks instead of remarriage being a potential sin for those already divorced, and even those about to marry for the first time.
■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

■Mark 10 vs 10- 12

■ Luke 16 vs 18

■ Matthew 19 vs 12


Divorce in and of itself is not a sin, so says Jesus Christ.

Iamanoited:
■ Divorce is a Sin if either of the partners is hurt, that is,, if the agreement to divorce is not mutually understood and accepted by the partners.
■ All Judgements at the Temple of Grace are settled on contractual agreement.