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Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by dplordx(m): 2:59pm On Jul 12, 2011
Lagosboy:

@all

Thanks for yoy inputs but this thread is not about flooding as there are other threads to discuss that. The thread is about Lagos roads which are not motorable and these roads spans almost all the local govts . The worst roads are the inner city roads and Lagosians could attest to this. How good is the road on your street ?

I travelled to Abuja and was super impressed with Abuja roads and the city in general . I am aware it is the federal money but Lagos generates lots of money and could we understand what the LG money is used for aside payment of salaries and the primary health centres (clinics) who dont dispense drugs.

Surulere which is Fasholas consitutuency has roads which would embarass any governor. Some of these roads are now under renovation but i cannot imagine how any governor would watch these roads degenerate. Surulere has a rep who is athe minority leader in the NASS Hakeem Gbajabiamillia and other big boys in Lagos politics yet they all drive on these roads.

I just cannot get where the problem lies.

Abuja cant be compared to Lagos. With its tiny population; the roads would outlast the best one built in Lag. But I think something isnt right somewhere.
I dont know why Lagos still praise mediocrity. The states of the roads is enough to make restrain from casting my vote for BRF because I wasnt sure what this guy is doing besides applying lipsticks and make up to a pig's face.


aasog1:


I agree with you heartily. Given the vastness of Lagos, its illogical to rip fashola to pieces over the states of the road. But why do I have a feeling that fashola and his acn guys in the reps arent using up to 30% for what would actually benefit lagosians at large.
[b]We cant call BRF a propagandist because we know govs who have all the national newspapers editors on their payroll and speed-dial. He is not one of them. His works speaks for him.
As much as I would love to attack BRF and blame him for this enormous disaster, I realize my arguments would rather be emotional rather than logical.
BRF is a man who seem to underestimate the vast challenge called "Lagos".
Lagos is the perfect microcosm of Nigeria at large, and BRF's work is a lot more difficult based on the fact that he rules about 10% of the nation; and if he could survive at this level, he could rule the giant of Africa called Nigeria.
With the countless challenges facing Lagos day to day: fixing this problematic state would take more than 10 BRF administrations. But Fashola can do more if we stop making him feel like he's done it all. He definitely is imperfect and I wonder why he is not learning from some glaring mistakes and keep repeating it. One thing for sure: He's got a very long way to go and should focus more on the most pressing projects of the state. I think he will do fine based on his sincerity.
Eko o ni baje.[/b]

Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by mbulela: 3:05pm On Jul 12, 2011
satani23:

I wouldn't be harsh on u cos u are one of  the few pple i admire on this site.

Bur sir, throwing nylon, paper garbages etc is one of the problems but just a very minute/small fraction of the problem. The larger bulk stops on the govts table.

This thread is to discuss the bad roads which is not the fault of the citizens of Lagos that the roads keeps getting destroyed few months after resurfacing. its got nothing to do with nylon, refuse etc. Tell government contractors to use the best materials in resurfacing the roads for it to stand the true test of time
No need to be harsh on me o!as i am not one of those you admire but i beg to differ.
the issue of our filth as lagosians is not a minute matter O!
i agree that govt has a part to play but passing the bulk is not particularly responsible.
i drove pass the orile-mile 2 road today.a road that is still under construction but has all the drainages in place.guess what?the drainages are filled with refuse.infact half of the road the entire stretch has been turned into a refuse dump.
it rains a little and the drains are filled as refuse is just bubbling all over.
in addition to all we want Fashola to do,do we also want him to station cleaners long the drainages for 24/7?
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by mbulela: 3:15pm On Jul 12, 2011
aasog1:

We cant call BRF a propagandist because we know govs who have all the national newspapers editors on their payroll and speed-dial. He is not one of them. His works speaks for him.
As much as I would love to attack BRF and blame him for this enormous disaster, I realize my arguments would rather be emotional rather than logical.
BRF is a man who seem to underestimate the vast challenge called "Lagos".
Lagos is the perfect microcosm of Nigeria at large, and BRF's work is a lot more difficult based on the fact that he rules about 10% of the nation; and if he could survive at this level, he could rule the giant of Africa called Nigeria.
With the countless challenges facing Lagos day to day: fixing this problematic state would take more than 10 BRF administrations. But Fashola can do more if we stop making him feel like he's done it all. He definitely is imperfect and I wonder why he is not learning from some glaring mistakes and keep repeating it. One thing for sure: He's got a very long way to go and should focus more on the most pressing projects of the state. I think he will do fine based on his sincerity.
Eko o ni baje.

how did you arrive at the bold part?
sincerity is just not enough.we want basic issues addressed.
you can't look further than roads.there can't be any propagandsa with roads.they are either done or not.at present the state of roads in lagos are completely unacceptable.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by phemi01(m): 3:32pm On Jul 12, 2011
i am not sure some people did government as a subject in secondary school. if you didnt at least you did social studies in primary school. shut your mouth and stop saying fashola is trying. we vote them in to serve us and not to kill us. he is not using his personal money for the projects. people pay tax and we need to see what they are using our money for. go all around lagos and you'll know fashola and his uncle are a bunch of con artists.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by Sicherheit(m): 3:33pm On Jul 12, 2011
This is getting ridiculous, is Lagos the only state in Nigeria? Don't get me wrong, I have no affiliation or desire to live in that dump but enough with the topics. It's not the only state with issues abeg. undecided
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by JaaizTech: 3:39pm On Jul 12, 2011
Well, when things go right the Governor gets the praise and when they go wrong He gets the stick. That is the way it is. We don't care about what has caused the bad roads, Fashola is got to get the stick for this one.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by slverspoon: 4:07pm On Jul 12, 2011
Suddenly, we don't hear the word megacity anymore.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by phemi01(m): 4:12pm On Jul 12, 2011
Mega city kor! Mega Village ni!
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by EkoIle1: 4:12pm On Jul 12, 2011
ideylaff:






Please educate us @ eko ile, what is the definition of a drainage system

1. Please don't tell me its a deep dug trench that stretches to the end of a street and then pours into the adjoining one, please don't.

B4 u start talking of a drainage system on here, get a proper understanding of what  a drainage system is, cos I think u don't

its got nothing to do with how deep the trench is dug, at all,

9ja drainage system with no terminus/terminal for the waste, not connecting anywhere, tell me now if Sanusi Fafunwa waste links anywhere to any road,

stop making Lagos look like some developed city, please,

u wont find a dead body lying on d side road for days in a place that has a good environmental system, would you ?lipsrsealed


Please be easy on me for exposing your ignorance

making the most noise don't mean the most sense, hop u know that b4 u start to call people all sorts of names like u usually do,

Drainage system. LOL, in a city where they are using lantern to construct roads at night, while the Oyinbos are busy Lounging in Sheraton and the God father has already taken his bulk share of the road money, issshhh

Can we also deal with NOW and not blame any past Government, Fashola is responsible for Lagos now, not Jakande, also the revenue bn generated now is astronomical in figure, if managed well it will go a long way,

Drainage system don't mean rocket science system,, a University Graduate can design a simple one and workable process

we just happen to like to do seminars, talk talk and no action

I'm waiting for a banner like "HOW TO DEAL WITH LAGOS FLOOD IN THE 21ST CENTURY" with the whole Ministry staff sitting round a table smiling for network news and also drinking tea and coffee and eating food for a week. with no action after that, thats the norm, tok talk talk, 



Why all the needlessly and ignorant essay?

Even a day old baby sabi say the gutter in front of your house and under your street is a drainage system.

Do you really need me to define that for you?


Now, tell us how this definition is different from what's available in many households and streets in Lagos,


[img]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drainage[/img]


Btw, our drained water drains into the Atlantic and when the Laogs Lagoon and the Atlantic Ocean pushes higher than normal because of the same rain, there's no where for the water to go hence flooding and it's the same case even in the most advanced countries with good drainage systems.
 

Illiterate Olodo people trying t sound intelligent, but they still lack basic common sense.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by mbulela: 4:15pm On Jul 12, 2011
Sicherheit:

This is getting ridiculous, is Lagos the only state in Nigeria? Don't get me wrong, I have no affiliation or desire to live in that dump but enough with the topics. It's not the only state with issues abeg. undecided

you are free to start a thread on the state of infrastructure in Zamfara state.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by EkoIle1: 4:16pm On Jul 12, 2011
Fhemmmy:

How many hours of rain was it?
What was the amount of rain that really came down? i am sure was probably not even measured.
What happened in the USA and other nations are not just a day or 2 rain


And have you measured the rains in Lagos too? And do you mind showing us the rain weather stats in the US and lets aggregate it with Lagos?
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by EkoIle1: 4:18pm On Jul 12, 2011
JaaizTech:

Well, when things go right the Governor gets the praise and when they go wrong He gets the stick. That is the way it is. We don't care about what has caused the bad roads, Fashola is got to get the stick for this one.



This has got to be the dumb.est nonsense ever.


You mean he gets the stick because he couldn't stop the rain or prevent the Atlantic ocean from rising and taking our rained water?
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by EkoIle1: 4:21pm On Jul 12, 2011
slverspoon:

Suddenly, we don't hear the word megacity anymore.

Maybe na ya hears, Lagos is still a mega city regardless of the condition of your hears or hearing capacity.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by jaybee3(m): 4:21pm On Jul 12, 2011
Eko Ile:



This has got to be the dumb.est nonsense ever.


You mean he gets the stick because he couldn't stop the rain or prevent the Atlantic ocean from rising and taking our rained water?

Laughable isn't it?
People just like joining the bandwagon without using basic common sense.
Yes lagos has drainage problems but the current flooding isn't the usual norm
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by Tinax(f): 4:22pm On Jul 12, 2011
@op your observation is correct. To me i think lack of maintainance of lagos road is the basic problem and this bottles down to govt inadquences and ineffectivenes. 5ys ago a new road was constructd in my area but the state of that road today is a sorry sight. This makes me wondr if we are actualy movin foward or back.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by Lagosboy: 4:22pm On Jul 12, 2011
Eko Ile:



This has got to be the dumb.est nonsense ever.


You mean he gets the stick because he couldn't stop the rain or prevent the Atlantic ocean from rising and taking our rained water?

Buddie, out of interest , have you ever seen anything or know of anything Fashola& Tinubu have both done incorrectly in their poitical career ?
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by phemi01(m): 4:26pm On Jul 12, 2011
Drainage or no Drainage, the roads are bad, Even if the sea level doesn't rise, you'll still have rivers on our roads due to pot holes. Your governor is not doing anything
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by jaybee3(m): 4:27pm On Jul 12, 2011
phemi01:

Drainage or no Drainage, the roads are bad, Even if the sea level doesn't rise, you'll still have rivers on our roads due to pot holes. Your governor is not doing anything
Roads are bad because of?
Quality of job done by contractors or the actual traffic that the road carries daily?
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by satani23: 4:29pm On Jul 12, 2011
Lagosboy:

@all

Thanks for yoy inputs but this thread is not about flooding as there are other threads to discuss that. The thread is about Lagos roads which are not motorable and these roads spans almost all the local govts . The worst roads are the inner city roads and Lagosians could attest to this. How good is the road on your street ?

I travelled to Abuja and was super impressed with Abuja roads and the city in general . I am aware it is the federal money but Lagos generates lots of money and could we understand what the LG money is used for aside payment of salaries and the primary health centres (clinics) who dont dispense drugs.

Surulere which is Fasholas consitutuency has roads which would embarass any governor. Some of these roads are now under renovation but i cannot imagine how any governor would watch these roads degenerate. Surulere has a rep who is athe minority leader in the NASS Hakeem Gbajabiamillia and other big boys in Lagos politics yet they all drive on these roads.

I just cannot get where the problem lies.


Double GBAM for u. some roads in Lagos are an eye sore. My abode isn't far from Adelabu in Surulere. Pot holes have spoilt my car countless times. Pitiful our action Governor is from my Constituency. SMH. I don't know how pure water nylon or refused will cause bad roads. We  aren't talking  flooding here but roads. This overzealous bigot have derailed this thread enough attempting a rebuttal to what is indefensible. SMH for some people
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by KA24DETT(m): 4:32pm On Jul 12, 2011
Nigerians dont reason, Lets put ur scneario that fashola sucks,,

You have a city of 18 million people and more thousands coming in everyday, There is no way he can finish everything in one term, what are u guys smoking?? Its gona take 30 Fasholas consectuively to uplift lagos state, Rome was not built in a day, it takes years of planning and implementation and of  orientation. He just bought new garbage dump trucks but that in itself is not enough. Revenue per citizen and FG allocation per citizen in  lagos state is still the lowest in nigeria. States like bayelsa and rivers have way much money to spend per head on socal services but u still dont hear about them.
You guys want everything to be perfect in 4 years, drainage sytem,, check, lights, check, roads, check,  Lagos state has more roads than any state in nigeria, man,, its not easy to rule a city of 18 million people and provide services for them with definitely little to no FG assistance.
Even a good road like in abuja built in lagos state wont last for more than 2 years,. the stress on the roads from all the tankers coming to the ports to load up on fuel , cars, motorcycles, man,, its too much, If Nigeria has functioning railway system to reduce the stress on the road and also if half the states in nigeria is working like lagos, then u wouldnt have all these stress on social services, What we should be asking is that the next governor in lagos state should outdo fashola. Continuity is the key here not present scenario, No doubt garbage is eating up lagos and the government should tackle it but u got to understand that lagos has so much problems and limited resources so u have to allocate resources effectively. We all did economics in school.  
TO handle refuse effectively in lagos state, its gona take at least 6 mega refuse processing site with thousands of manpower and garbage bins positioned everywhere, So if u put that much money in refuse,  whats gona happen to roads? then u all gona come here and complain about the roads system not being taken care of ,
Its a procsss man,,, it takes years to cleans this mess up cus this mess we are in came from years of abuse and neglect by preceeding adminstatrion and its gona take more than 8 years to correct.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by Lagosboy: 4:33pm On Jul 12, 2011
jay bee:

Roads are bad because of?
Quality of job done by contractors or the actual traffic that the road carries daily?

Traffic volume should be no excuse as a road in Lagos should be designed for the expected volume of traffic with an added margin of 20% . I am an engineer that specialises in design and i know this.

The problem is the first reason you gave quality and these contractors are mainly govt boys who are friend with the govt and cannot be prosecuted. However, most of the roads have not even been touched in the last 12 years.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by Kobojunkie: 4:36pm On Jul 12, 2011
phemi01:

Drainage or no Drainage, the roads are bad, Even if the sea level doesn't rise, you'll still have rivers on our roads due to pot holes.  Your governor is not doing anything


The Drainage issue actually contributes a great deal to the road problem. The rains come like clockwork each year to ruin any already built roads. If the roads are not properly drained, they go back to the bad state in no time. So dealing with the drainage issue should be seriously high priority, after which fixing and maintaining the roads will cost so much less to the taxpayers in general.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by Lagosboy: 4:39pm On Jul 12, 2011
KA24DETT:

Nigerians dont reason, Lets put your scneario that fashola sucks,,

You have a city of 18 million people and more thousands coming in everyday, There is no way he can finish everything in one term, what are u guys smoking?? Its gona take 30 Fasholas consectuively to uplift lagos state, Rome was not built in a day, it takes years of planning and implementation and of  orientation. He just bought new garbage dump trucks but that in itself is not enough. Revenue per citizen and FG allocation per citizen in  lagos state is still the lowest in nigeria. States like bayelsa and rivers have way much money to spend per head on socal services but u still dont hear about them.
You guys want everything to be perfect in 4 years, drainage sytem,, check, lights, check, roads, check,  Lagos state has more roads than any state in nigeria, man,, its not easy to rule a city of 18 million people and provide services for them with definitely little to no FG assistance.
Even a good road like in abuja built in lagos state wont last for more than 2 years,. the stress on the roads from all the tankers coming to the ports to load up on fuel , cars, motorcycles, man,, its too much, If Nigeria has functioning railway system to reduce the stress on the road and also if half the states in nigeria is working like lagos, then u wouldnt have all these stress on social services, What we should be asking is that the next governor in lagos state should outdo fashola. Continuity is the key here not present scenario, No doubt garbage is eating up lagos and the government should tackle it but u got to understand that lagos has so much problems and limited resources so u have to allocate resources effectively. We all did economics in school.  
TO handle refuse effectively in lagos state, its gona take at least 6 mega refuse processing site with thousands of manpower and garbage bins positioned everywhere, So if u put that much money in refuse,  whats gona happen to roads? then u all gona come here and complain about the roads system not being taken care of ,
Its a procsss man,,, it takes years to cleans this mess up cus this mess we are in came from years of abuse and neglect by preceeding adminstatrion and its gona take more than 8 years to correct.

If you notice i made and emphasis on inner city roads which are not highways where tankers and heavy duty vehicles readily pass. Fashola does not have to do everything that is why we have LG responsible for facilities within their domains. Last time i checked Tinubu further created additional 37 LG in order to speed up development but we are actually retrogressing.

My question is what are the LG doing, i personally feel gov and Tinubu cannot criticise the LG because 50% of money allocated to them is always taken by the state gov for God knows what. The LG shares the remainder after salaries and nothing is done, otherwise how do i explain the road in front of a local govt office unmotorable.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by Lagosboy: 4:42pm On Jul 12, 2011
satani23:

Double GBAM for u. some roads in Lagos are an eye sore. My abode isn't far from Adelabu in Surulere. Pot holes have spoilt my car countless times. Pitiful our action Governor is from my Constituency. SMH. I don't know how pure water nylon or refused will cause bad roads. We aren't talking flooding here but roads. This overzealous bigot have derailed this thread enough attempting a rebuttal to what is indefensible. SMH for some people

Bros, I almost shed tears when i saw the roads in Surulere and especially the Adelabu area you mentioned, how the resident drive into their homes everyday remains a mystery to me.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by phemi01(m): 4:44pm On Jul 12, 2011
If the contractors don't do quality roads, shouldn't they be arrested. What happened to checks and balances. Why give money out without ensuring it is well utilized.  they should fix the roads with proper drainage systems and stop using the rising sea level as an excuse
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by satani23: 4:54pm On Jul 12, 2011
Kobojunkie:


The Drainage issue actually contributes a great deal to the road problem. The rains come like clockwork each year to ruin any already built roads. If the roads are not properly drained, they go back to the bad state in no time. So dealing with the drainage issue should be seriously high priority, after which fixing and maintaining the roads will cost so much less to the taxpayers in general.

[b]Madam let me add to ur post as a professional earning living from the construction industry in Nigeria.

We mostly use bitumen felt plus asphalt in the construction of over 90% of roads in Nigeria. These materials i mentioned are enemies with water that's y u see that most road construction projects are usually hurriedly done [/b]during the dry season as no meaningful construction can be made in rainy season. However ma, there's a way the use of the materials can still do more if the right content and ADEQUATE mixture are done. But u know corruption is our bane in Nigeria. A contractor that will do the job must have used half of the quoted price to settle the Government that gave out the brief and would be left with little to do the job. A wise contractor is in business to make profit, hence he does a mediocre job. After 3-5 months of construction. pot holes are becoming feasible.

Point corruption+government+contractor

Government can also  help reduce the problems of bad roads through improvement of Drainage channeling. Like i said above, water and road material used here are enemies. If the volume of water on the roads are reduced, then roads may last longer than it does last presently.

Point 2 Government



Lastly, alternative road construction material is what we professional call interlocking stones/pave locking stones. These might be expensive but its a french of water. The more water gets into it, its gets more compacted. We use it here in Nigeria but not as we use felt and asphalt


MHumble suggestion
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by satani23: 4:57pm On Jul 12, 2011
Lagosboy:

Bros, I almost shed tears when i saw the roads in Surulere and especially the Adelabu area you mentioned, how the resident drive into their homes everyday remains a mystery to me.


Bros its shameful. My car na so so dirty dirty for body all the time. Some m, or, ons who aren't on ground would be posting BS in defense of BS. Smh
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by KA24DETT(m): 4:58pm On Jul 12, 2011
Lagosboy:

If you notice i made and emphasis on inner city roads which are not highways where tankers and heavy duty vehicles readily pass. Fashola does not have to do everything that is why we have LG responsible for facilities within their domains. Last time i checked Tinubu further created additional 37 LG in order to speed up development but we are actually retrogressing.

My question is what are the LG doing, i personally feel gov and Tinubu cannot criticise the LG because 50% of money allocated to them is always taken by the state gov for God knows what. The LG shares the remainder after salaries and nothing is done, otherwise how do i explain the road in front of a local govt office unmotorable.

All local government in lagos are very well developed, u have to ask urself, how many roads are in the local government of lagos?? all am saying is that resources is not enough, lagos is a mega city and the fg and state gov should work hand in hand to elevate the plights of the people,
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by LFJ: 5:17pm On Jul 12, 2011
Eko Ile:


Why all the needlessly and ignorant essay?

Even a day old baby sabi say the gutter in front of your house and under your street is a drainage system.

Do you really need me to define that for you?


Now, tell us how this definition is different from what's available in many households and streets in Lagos,


[img]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drainage[/img]


Btw, our drained water drains into the Atlantic and when the Laogs Lagoon and the Atlantic Ocean pushes higher than normal because of the same rain, there's no where for the water to go hence flooding and it's the same case even in the most advanced countries with good drainage systems.


Illiterate Olodo people trying t sound intelligent, but they still lack basic common sense.






Mr Eko Ile, I think you need to be more matured in your response to issue. You don’t need to insult or call ppl names just because they have different view or they are ignorant of the privilege information you have. I doubt if Fashola will subscribe to this type of approach in defending his government. You need to be more civil in your approach, please don’t be offended, that is just my observation of you on this forum.
Re: Fashola And Lagos Roads by EkoIle1: 5:19pm On Jul 12, 2011
Lagosboy:

Buddie, out of interest , have you ever seen anything or know of anything Fashola& Tinubu have both done incorrectly in their poitical career ?

That's not the point and I did not utter such rubbish so stop getting ahead of yourself.  

We are not all error proo and I'm sure they all have their regrets just like the the rest of us.

Yes, we have bad roads in lagos, but you can not tell that the state is not building and and fixing roads.
You can not tell me that the me that the 2 bilion the state budgets is enough to fix and build all the roads in lagos and other infrastructure and on top of that, pay hundreds of thousand civil servants, pay pensions, build schools, build hospitals, pay vendors and utilitites,

Tell me the governor can do magic and make it happen and I'll tell you you're not only unrealistic, but also on crak.

You people are the most unrealistic people on earth.

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