Ojuntana:


Here's where the synopsis of the Quran becomes faulty especially if with are to go with your inquisition.

You ask why God will send a man of God to earth without a message? That's an interesting question. But first, who is a man of God? Remember that your Quran lists the two sacred texts sent by God to man as Torah through Moses and Injeel through Jesus. We can then add Quran through Muhammad (SAW) for the sake of this argument. The next question by virtue of your statement is the name of the texts sent through Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph etc.

But that is assuming that the phrase "man of God" should only apply to these people. If we are to expand man of God to involve anyone sent by God with a message, then we will have to enquire why Oyedepo, Inyass, Zakzaky, Adeboye have not released their own sacred texts as well.

I don't know how exactly your Quran describes Abraham, but the Bible simply describes him as one chosen by God to embark on a pilgrimage, not as a prophet, but as a progenitor of a new nation God had chosen to be his own people. He was generally timid and tried as much as possible to stay away from trouble.

Same for Noah whom you mentioned. Biblically, God never sent him to preach to anyone. God only asked him to build an ark for him and his family, and then take two pairs of animals with him. Note that God had already made up his mind to destroy those people according to the scriptures so one wonders why he would send the person he wanted to save out of the lot to preach to them. He simply took it upon himself to preach to those people. It is interesting that unlike Jonah who the people of Nineveh (not his people actually. Nineveh is a city of the Syrians) listened to, the people of Noah's time refused his message, probably because he wasn't sent to them.

But I digress. The point I want you to note is that God walks with and works through people for his own purpose. Even you. I want to believe you accept that God has a purpose for creating you. If and when you become aware of that purpose, does that necessarily make you a prophet with a message? The man who fought for the abolition of slavery can be said to have fulfilled God's purpose for his life. Same with the man who created the smartphone don't you think.

Lastly, Biblically, there are five covenants generally regarded in the Bible. The Adamic, Noah, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic and lastly Jesus covenants. Each is believed to be a precursor to the other and if you read through the Bible, you can clearly see how each covenant fared and expanded until that of Jesus came. Jesus is the embodiment of all the covenants.

So again if only covenants determine prophethood, then it will be implicit that so many people we refer to as prophet will fail the prophet test. You can thus mention the people Adam, Noah, Abraham and Jacob preached to from the Quran. I'm interested in finding out and the texts they based their messages on. Also what happened to those messages that we no longer have them?

The men of God in this context are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph etc.
In Islam, the books are Quran(Muhammed), Torah(Moses), Zabur(David) and Injil(Jesus). So they are not just two or three.

And again it seems like we understand the word "message" or "preaching" people differently.
A message does not have to be a book. There are 4 books in Islam and there was no prophet that was not sent a message to preach to his people before they are destroyed. The Quran was revealed in 23 years and was compiled years after Muhammed died. We can't possibly say that he could not preach to the people without the Quran. Those who are given books have messages to preach and those who done have books have messages to preach too.
Those books are full revelation from God and they are not their words.

These are how they preached as reported in the Quran:
“And indeed We sent Noah unto his folk, and he said: ‘O’ my people! Worship Allah. You have no other god save Him. Will you not keep from evil?’ ” (Qur’an 23:23)
That was for Noah, He didn't have a scripture like others, but he was given a message and he preached it.

Do you commit immorality while you are seeing? Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are a people behaving ignorantly.” (Qur’an 27:54-55)
This is for Lut

10. “And when your Lord called out to Moses (saying): ‘Go to the unjust people,”
11. “The people of pharaoh; will they not fear (Allah)?’”
12. “Said (Moses): ‘O my Lord! Surely I fear that they will reject me?’” (Qur’an 26:10-12)
This is for Moses. He was given a book(scripture), but this is his preaching.


And that God already made up his mind to destroy them That's why Islam appeals to me more.

Indeed, We have sent you with the truth as a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And there was no nation but that there had passed within it a warner. Verse (35:24)

And We did not destroy any city except that it had warners
As a reminder; and never have We been unjust. Verse (26:208-209)

The destruction of the people of Noah isn't justified if they were not warned
In Islam, God can not just make up his mind to destroy a nation without warning them. Even as he knows that they wont believe, he would still warn them. He does not want to be cornered on the day of Judgment, and also not want to be justified in the eyes of all creatures.
Were you not warned?

And yes of course God can have a purpose for anyone, just that we wont put those purposes or those people in the same set as Jesus, Abraham, Adam, etc. The prophet "thing" is kind of exclusive. Those people are people God acknowledges in his book. God gave some of them scriptures, God gave some names himself e.g Jesus is the "word of God" according to the Quran, and Abraham, "friend of God", and God some great miracles, etc.

And on the covenants, if Muslims had the bible, chances are there that such concept will only be found in books by scholars and not generally be accepted. Most wont even know about it and some will notice the pattern but it wont amount to anything. You know why? It's because it's just something that is noticed and not explicit. Did those Prophets say that their coming are in covenants? If so did they say one covenant overrides the other? Did Jesus say that he is the embodiments of all other one? Please note that I am not taking Paul as a prophet. Why would we even section it based on covenants? Why would we even believe that one is a precursor to the other when none of them said so. We would prefer what is explicit and not discovered or inferred. We would just take those words as they are. We would bother about what Jesus, Abraham, Adam, Moses, etc said just as it is. Because their messages are meant to be direct and straight. No covenant based sectioning except explicitly said. It may only be inferred but not made the core.

And those who are not given books amongst the prophets are given a message to preach. In Islam, they are majorly as warners of an impending doom. And on the same path and on the same message. One confirming what the previous has said before.

And on those books? some are lost and some not original again. Only the Quran is complete and as not been tampered with.

olasesi:




The men of God in this context are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph etc.
In Islam, the books are Quran(Muhammed), Torah(Moses), Zabur(David) and Injil(Jesus). So they are not just two or three.

And again it seems like we understand the word "message" or "preaching" people differently.
A message does not have to be a book. There are 4 books in Islam and there was no prophet that was not sent a message to preach to his people before they are destroyed. The Quran was revealed in 23 years and was compiled years after Muhammed died. We can't possibly say that he could not preach to the people without the Quran. Those who are given books have messages to preach and those who done have books have messages to preach too.
Those books are full revelation from God and they are not their words.

These are how they preached as reported in the Quran:
“And indeed We sent Noah unto his folk, and he said: ‘O’ my people! Worship Allah. You have no other god save Him. Will you not keep from evil?’ ” (Qur’an 23:23)
That was for Noah, He didn't have a scripture like others, but he was given a message and he preached it.

Do you commit immorality while you are seeing? Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are a people behaving ignorantly.” (Qur’an 27:54-55)
This is for Lut

10. “And when your Lord called out to Moses (saying): ‘Go to the unjust people,”
11. “The people of pharaoh; will they not fear (Allah)?’”
12. “Said (Moses): ‘O my Lord! Surely I fear that they will reject me?’” (Qur’an 26:10-12)
This is for Moses. He was given a book(scripture), but this is his preaching.


And that God already made up his mind to destroy them That's why Islam appeals to me more.

Indeed, We have sent you with the truth as a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And there was no nation but that there had passed within it a warner. Verse (35:24)

And We did not destroy any city except that it had warners
As a reminder; and never have We been unjust. Verse (26:208-209)

The destruction of the people of Noah isn't justified if they were not warned
In Islam, God can not just make up his mind to destroy a nation without warning them. Even as he knows that they wont believe, he would still warn them. He does not want to be cornered on the day of Judgment, and also not want to be justified in the eyes of all creatures.
Were you not warned?

And yes of course God can have a purpose for anyone, just that we wont put those purposes or those people in the same set as Jesus, Abraham, Adam, etc. The prophet "thing" is kind of exclusive. Those people are people God acknowledges in his book. God gave some of them scriptures, God gave some names himself e.g Jesus is the "word of God" according to the Quran, and Abraham, "friend of God", and God some great miracles, etc.

And on the covenants, if Muslims had the bible, chances are there that such concept will only be found in books by scholars and not generally be accepted. Most wont even know about it and some will notice the pattern but it wont amount to anything. You know why? It's because it's just something that is noticed and not explicit. Did those Prophets say that their coming are in covenants? If so did they say one covenant overrides the other? Did Jesus say that he is the embodiments of all other one? Please note that I am not taking Paul as a prophet. Why would we even section it based on covenants? Why would we even believe that one is a precursor to the other when none of them said so. We would prefer what is explicit and not discovered or inferred. We would just take those words as they are. We would bother about what Jesus, Abraham, Adam, Moses, etc said just as it is. Because their messages are meant to be direct and straight. No covenant based sectioning except explicitly said. It may only be inferred but not made the core.

And those who are not given books amongst the prophets are given a message to preach. In Islam, they are majorly as warners of an impending doom. And on the same path and on the same message. One confirming what the previous has said before.

And on those books? some are lost and some not original again. Only the Quran is complete and as not been tampered with.

It doesn't matter whether they are two or three. What I showed about the faulty synopsis of the Quran is the fact that there are so many prophets with messages but only four have distinct messages.

I must first point out that Quranic accounts of most of these persons differs very significantly from Biblical accounts. While the Bible agrees that Noah preached to his people about the impending destruction, it does not say he was sent by God. As a matter of fact, God had already made up His mind to destroy these people. Your Quran also seems to say Abraham preached to Lot. It is not so in the Bible because Lot actually did not partake in the sins of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. His fault was condoning them and that was why he was not marked for destruction along with them. As I told you before, Abraham was not sent with a message to anyone according to Biblical accounts. Instead God developed a personal relationship with him which took him out of his paternal land to a foreign land for his offsprings to inherit according to God. Note that, Abraham was not a depiction of a prophet according to Biblical standards. Nevertheless, he was a man with a covenant with God. Those are two distinct things. A covenant usually comes after a sacrifice or acceptable worship to God. Abraham's came after he obeyed God in sacrificing Isaac. Noah's also came after he built the first altar to God after the flood. Those covenants are significant because from them came a definite boundary of relationship between God and man that exists even till this day. For example, Adam; be fruitful and multiply. Noah; I will no longer destroy the earth by water.

Now, I usually wonder why we should accept Quranic accounts of the patriarchs of the Jews given by an Arab over that of the Torah which was written by a Jew. Does a stranger tell a people's story to them? Can a Briton tell the Yoruba their history? Or the Chinese tell the Igbo their history? I believe very strongly that the Quranic accounts are best taken with a pinch of salt at best.

I also find it interesting you think God needs to be justified before he can judge others. I thought the Quran depicts humans as God's slaves. How does a master justify his actions to his slaves? Does he even need to warn his slaves? He can choose to kill whoever he wills among them, warn others and even forgive the most guilty. The master-slave relationship from time immemorial has never been based on any form of justice. So I wonder why you think God should be beholden to explain himself to his slaves, or rather, warn them of his impending actions before he can be allowed to be a judge over them. I'll like to think that is antithetical to Quranic depiction of God.

And I strongly believe God has a purpose for everything he does. He could not have done anything without reason or purpose cause that is an attribute of thoughtless or low-intelligence beings. God is the Omniscient. So to say he might not have a purpose for an action of his is reducing his capabilities.

May I ask what then was Adam's message of preaching and to whom? I know Adam is described in the Quran as well as the first man. So who did he preach to? The trees? Animals? Heavenly bodies? or Eve.
If prophets are to be sent by God to different people, who did he send to the Chinese? What about Africans? who did he send to them? The fact is God chose to work through the people of Israel. It is indisputable. Even by the Quran. For the Quran recognizes the genealogy of the Jews as people who received three out of the four books. It also does not explain how come the fourth book was sent to an Arabian and not a Jew. It is another faulty synopsis of the Quran.
The covenants preceded the other and the inadequacy of each one led to the need for the other. Adam fell. Noah got drunk and cursed. Abraham's offsprings became slaves in Egypt. Moses did not enter the Promised land. David's offsprings lost the kingdom. It is the imperfections of the human bearers of these covenants and their generations that led to the need for the other.

It is interesting you say the Quran was not tampered with. How? It was not written by Muhammad himself who got the revelations but by a third party, years after his death, who also ensured some "uncomfortable" manuscripts were burned.

So it is not factual to say with full certainty that it was not tampered with.

Ojuntana:

Antiislam was created AFTER antichristian. Go and check. I thought it's ok to defend oneself in Islam.
The pregnant woman was not killed for blasphemy. She was killed by "unknown gunmen" not in defence of Christianity.
Use ur brain

Correct! Brother

gaskiyamagana:

What antilslam in this forum?
What of pregnant Muslim woman killed with her 3children?

You need camel urine?

Ojuntana:

The central theme of the prophets in the Bible is salvation of mankind.
You cannot worship a God you do not know. That's the mistake you Muslims make. The Jews lost knowledge of the purpose of their worship which Moses commanded them to reach their children. And when you lose purpose, your worship loses significance and you begin to deviate.

How do you know that Muslims do not know God they worship?

RightChanneI:


Tell the chief porn producer in jannah to help you with this question

7th time:
What is the religious affinity between Muslim slaves in Nigeria and the slaves tribes of Quraysh of mecca to whom Muhammad was sent?

"I will rise now and go about the city (of Lagos) in the street (of Ajegunle) and in the squares (Cubana Club), l will seek him whom my soul loves....... when I found him ( cocaine dealer)......l held him and would not let him go ( snatch by another lady) until I brought him into my MOTHER's HOUSE in the chamber of her who conceived me" Holy Porn Bible Song of Solomon 3 : 3 - 4.

gaskiyamagana:


How do you know that Muslims do not know God they worship?

Because Islam does not emphasize a personal relationship with God. Instead it is about following rules and tenets as laid down by Muhammad without any knowledge whatsoever why and how those rules came to be.
It is that dogmatic approach of Islam that leads to fanatics and extremism

gaskiyamagana:


"I will rise now and go about the city (of Lagos) in the street (of Ajegunle) and in the squares (Cubana Club), l will seek him whom my soul loves....... when I found him ( cocaine dealer)......l held him and would not let him go ( snatch by another lady) until I brought him into my MOTHER's HOUSE in the chamber of her who conceived me" Holy Porn Bible Song of Solomon 3 : 3 - 4.

Is that one according to your slave's brothers in Saudi Arabia?

Behold the description of allah's porn stars in his sex garden janah as read from his sex and war manual book quran

Ojuntana:

Because Islam does not emphasize a personal relationship with God. Instead it is about following rules and tenets as laid down by Muhammad without any knowledge whatsoever why and how those rules came to be.
It is that dogmatic approach of Islam that leads to fanatics and extremism

Indoctrination and dogmatism is part and parcel of education so also part of religion. Are you saying that there are no dogmatic beliefs in Christianity?
How do you maintain personal relationship in Christianity with God without following rules and tenets either as laid down by biblical Prophet, Jesus or his disciples?

gaskiyamagana:

Indoctrination and dogmatism is part and parcel of education so also part of religion. Are you saying that there are no dogmatic beliefs in Christianity?
How do you maintain personal relationship in Christianity with God without following rules and tenets either as laid down by biblical Prophet, Jesus or his disciples?

Of course there are dogmatic beliefs. But it's not mainstream. Like the Ramadan fast you all do which you believe helps you get closer to Allah. Well, there's Lent and not everyone must subscribe to it.
Same with pilgrimage or praying give times daily.
All these compulsion leads to herd mentality that leads to people just doing the rounds even if they do not know whom they do it to.
In Christianity, the basic step is to accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour. Every other act of worship is secondary to this. You don't need to carry out an duties to qualify for salvation except acceptance of Jesus Christ. This makes the Christian journey a personal journey between you and your saviour.
That's the difference

Ojuntana:

It doesn't matter whether they are two or three. What I showed about the faulty synopsis of the Quran is the fact that there are so many prophets with messages but only four have distinct messages.

I must first point out that Quranic accounts of most of these persons differs very significantly from Biblical accounts. While the Bible agrees that Noah preached to his people about the impending destruction, it does not say he was sent by God. As a matter of fact, God had already made up His mind to destroy these people. Your Quran also seems to say Abraham preached to Lot. It is not so in the Bible because Lot actually did not partake in the sins of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. His fault was condoning them and that was why he was not marked for destruction along with them. As I told you before, Abraham was not sent with a message to anyone according to Biblical accounts. Instead God developed a personal relationship with him which took him out of his paternal land to a foreign land for his offsprings to inherit according to God. Note that, Abraham was not a depiction of a prophet according to Biblical standards. Nevertheless, he was a man with a covenant with God. Those are two distinct things. A covenant usually comes after a sacrifice or acceptable worship to God. Abraham's came after he obeyed God in sacrificing Isaac. Noah's also came after he built the first altar to God after the flood. Those covenants are significant because from them came a definite boundary of relationship between God and man that exists even till this day. For example, Adam; be fruitful and multiply. Noah; I will no longer destroy the earth by water.

Now, I usually wonder why we should accept Quranic accounts of the patriarchs of the Jews given by an Arab over that of the Torah which was written by a Jew. Does a stranger tell a people's story to them? Can a Briton tell the Yoruba their history? Or the Chinese tell the Igbo their history? I believe very strongly that the Quranic accounts are best taken with a pinch of salt at best.

I also find it interesting you think God needs to be justified before he can judge others. I thought the Quran depicts humans as God's slaves. How does a master justify his actions to his slaves? Does he even need to warn his slaves? He can choose to kill whoever he wills among them, warn others and even forgive the most guilty. The master-slave relationship from time immemorial has never been based on any form of justice. So I wonder why you think God should be beholden to explain himself to his slaves, or rather, warn them of his impending actions before he can be allowed to be a judge over them. I'll like to think that is antithetical to Quranic depiction of God.

And I strongly believe God has a purpose for everything he does. He could not have done anything without reason or purpose cause that is an attribute of thoughtless or low-intelligence beings. God is the Omniscient. So to say he might not have a purpose for an action of his is reducing his capabilities.

May I ask what then was Adam's message of preaching and to whom? I know Adam is described in the Quran as well as the first man. So who did he preach to? The trees? Animals? Heavenly bodies? or Eve.
If prophets are to be sent by God to different people, who did he send to the Chinese? What about Africans? who did he send to them? The fact is God chose to work through the people of Israel. It is indisputable. Even by the Quran. For the Quran recognizes the genealogy of the Jews as people who received three out of the four books. It also does not explain how come the fourth book was sent to an Arabian and not a Jew. It is another faulty synopsis of the Quran.
The covenants preceded the other and the inadequacy of each one led to the need for the other. Adam fell. Noah got drunk and cursed. Abraham's offsprings became slaves in Egypt. Moses did not enter the Promised land. David's offsprings lost the kingdom. It is the imperfections of the human bearers of these covenants and their generations that led to the need for the other.

It is interesting you say the Quran was not tampered with. How? It was not written by Muhammad himself who got the revelations but by a third party, years after his death, who also ensured some "uncomfortable" manuscripts were burned.

So it is not factual to say with full certainty that it was not tampered with.

It doesn't matter whether they are two or three. What I showed about the faulty synopsis of the Quran is the fact that there are so many prophets with messages but only four have distinct messages.
No. They all were given the same message but some have scriptures/books and some don't. And why would you wish that they contained distinct messages when they are from the same God? We don't wish for distinct messages, we wish for the same message, and one confirming what the previous have come with. We think God core message should be consistent.

“And certainly We sent to every nation a Messenger (saying): ‘Worship Allah and avoid false gods.’ “Quran 16:36

“And (remember) when Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said, “O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you, confirming the Taurat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed”. But when he (Ahmed, i.e. Muhammad – SAW) came to them with clear proofs, they said: “This is plain magic” (Quran, 61:6).

"It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Quran) to you with truth, confirming what came before it. And He sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)." (Quran3:3)

“He (Allaah) has ordained for you the same religion (Islamic Monotheism) which He ordained for Nooh (Noah), and that which We have revealed to you (O Muhammad), and that which We ordained for Ibraaheem (Abraham), Moosa (Moses‎) and ‘Eesa (Jesus)”
[al-Shoora 42:13].

While the Bible agrees that Noah preached to his people about the impending destruction, it does not say he was sent by God.
Please sir, return with a reference from the bible that says that Noah preached to his people about the impending destruction.

Now, I usually wonder why we should accept Quranic accounts of the patriarchs of the Jews given by an Arab over that of the Torah which was written by a Jew. Does a stranger tell a people's story to them? Can a Briton tell the Yoruba their history? Or the Chinese tell the Igbo their history? I believe very strongly that the Quranic accounts are best taken with a pinch of salt at best.
Well I really have not noticed when God sends messages to people based on their ethnicity. If it's the truth, then it's the truth. We Muslims believe in the Torah but we just wish that it was just the way it was when it was first revealed. We could find the obituary of Moses in Deuteronomy towards the end of the book. That couldn't have been Moses unless there was another Moses. They know more about their book, but their book has been "touched". Research on the Torah and you will find out that modern scholarly consensus rejects Mosaic authorship, and affirms that the Torah has multiple authors.

I also find it interesting you think God needs to be justified before he can judge others
Yes. He is just and would tell others to be.
If you think God is just too, tell us how he would be just without him first reminding or warning?

Indeed, We have sent you with the truth as a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And there was no nation but that there had passed within it a warner. Verse (35:24)

[i]“And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)”
[al-Isra’ 17:15]"

“This is because your Lord would not destroy the (populations of) towns for their wrongdoing (i.e. associating others in worship along with Allah) while their people were unaware (so the Messengers were sent)”
[al-An ‘am 6:131].

And We did not destroy any city except that it had warners
As a reminder; and never have We been unjust. Verse (26:208-209)[/i]

I thought the Quran depicts humans as God's slaves. How does a master justify his actions to his slaves? Does he even need to warn his slaves? He can choose to kill whoever he wills among them, warn others and even forgive the most guilty. The master-slave relationship from time immemorial has never been based on any form of justice. So I wonder why you think God should be beholden to explain himself to his slaves, or rather, warn them of his impending actions before he can be allowed to be a judge over them. I'll like to think that is antithetical to Quranic depiction of God.

He it is Who accepts repentance from His servants and forgives sins and knows all what you do (Quran 42:25)

Tell them, (O Prophet): “My servants who have committed excesses against themselves, do not despair of Allah's Mercy. Surely Allah forgives all sins. He is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Quran 39:53)

Really it is contrasting that the slave ones have a just master and the non-slave ones do not think that God needs a justification for punishing them for something they are not aware of or know is wrong.

And I strongly believe God has a purpose for everything he does. He could not have done anything without reason or purpose cause that is an attribute of thoughtless or low-intelligence beings. God is the Omniscient. So to say he might not have a purpose for an action of his is reducing his capabilities.
That's for God. But for the people who were not warned, it's injustice. It's a different thing if they knew what they were doing was wrong and they continued. For example, not everyone knows that idolatry is wrong until you tell them.

May I ask what then was Adam's message of preaching and to whom? I know Adam is described in the Quran as well as the first man. So who did he preach to? The trees? Animals? Heavenly bodies? or Eve.
It's not stated in the Quran how he preached to his sons. He preached to his sons that there is only one God.

If prophets are to be sent by God to different people, who did he send to the Chinese? What about Africans? who did he send to them? The fact is God chose to work through the people of Israel. It is indisputable. Even by the Quran. For the Quran recognizes the genealogy of the Jews as people who received three out of the four books. It also does not explain how come the fourth book was sent to an Arabian and not a Jew. It is another faulty synopsis of the Quran.
Prophet were sent to their people/nation/community and not countries. And not all were mentioned to the prophet.

“And Messengers We have mentioned to you before, and Messengers We have not mentioned to you”
[an-Nisa’ 4:164].

It is also well known that most of the civilisations that were established throughout history were in this area, which is known as the Mediterranean basin, and nearby, in Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Arabia. Hence the most populated areas were mostly in these lands. So it is very appropriate that most of the Messengers should have been sent to the people of these lands.

Islam is less bothered weather the messenger is Jewish, Japanese or Arab. In fact, all the prophets of God were all Muslims (e.g person who submit to the will of God). God would raise up messengers from anywhere he wishes to. And the people of those places are not any different from other people. They did not choose their messengers or prophets.

“Each one believes in Allaah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say,) ‘We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers’”
[al-Baqarah 2:136]

The covenants preceded the other and the inadequacy of each one led to the need for the other. Adam fell. Noah got drunk and cursed. Abraham's offsprings became slaves in Egypt. Moses did not enter the Promised land. David's offsprings lost the kingdom. It is the imperfections of the human bearers of these covenants and their generations that led to the need for the other.
Did the Bible say that the inadequacy of each one led to the need for the other? Please return with the verse that says or suggests so.

But in Islam, the messengers are imperfect but their messages were flawless, because it was from God. No need for update or override. But they were humans who made mistakes.

“The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded”
[al-Maa’idah 5:75]

“Their messengers said to them, We are only men like you, but Allah confers favor upon whom He wills of His servants. It has never been for us to bring you evidence except by permission of Allah. And upon Allah let the believers rely”
[Ibraaheem 14:11]

“Say, O [Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah”
[Fussilat 41:6].

It is interesting you say the Quran was not tampered with. How? It was not written by Muhammad himself who got the revelations but by a third party, years after his death, who also ensured some "uncomfortable" manuscripts were burned.

So it is not factual to say with full certainty that it was not tampered with.
Muhammad could not read or write, but he could speak. When he gets the revelations, his scribes that could write, write them down.
Those variant were burnt to canonized the Quran.

According to Islamic tradition, the process of canonization ended under the third caliph, Uthman ibn Affan (r. 23/644–35/655), about twenty years after the death of Muhammad in 650 CE, though date is not exact because it was not recorded by early Arab annalists.
Cook, The Koran, 2000: p.119

By the time of Uthman's caliphate, there was a perceived need for clarification of Qur'an reading. The Caliphate had grown considerably, expanding into Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Iran, bringing into Islam's fold many new converts from various cultures with varying degrees of isolation.
Al-Tabari (1989). Ihsan Abbas; C. E. Bosworth; Jacob Lassner; Franz Rosenthal; Ehsan Yar-Shater (eds.). The History of al-Tabari: The Conquest of Iraq, Southwestern Persia, and Egypt. Gautier H. A. Juynboll (trans.). Albany, NY: State University of New York Press. pp. 2–6. ISBN 0-88706-876-6.

These converts spoke a variety of languages but were not well learned in Arabic, and so Uthman felt it was important to standardize the written text of the Quran into one specific Arabic dialect. Another reason for compiling the Quran was that many Muslims who had memorized the Quran in its entirety (huffaz) were dying, especially in battle.
Sahih al-Bukhari 7191 - Judgments (Ahkaam) - كتاب الأحكام - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)". sunnah.com. Retrieved 13 April 2021.

When the task was finished Uthman kept one copy in Medina and sent others to Kufa, Baṣra, Damascus, and, according to some accounts, Mecca, and ordered that all other variant copies of the Quran be destroyed