obailala: seem like misplaced priority to me

Exactly what it is, especially when you consider that ASUU has been on strike for several months and the economy is in a mess to the extent that the FG borrows to pay salaries as revealed by the erstwhile acting Accountant General.

mignone:

Ok, they justified dt; d rail track terminates at d border. Right?
Now it's #1.4b worth of vehicles for Nigerien security when our very own house is up in flames.

No wahala, everyday for the thief ...

You got the memo.

obailala:

Jonathan said "I will build...", Buhari said "I will build..." At the end, none of them built anything.

So how come only 1 person takes the missiles in all these?

Wrong comparison.

We "hope" to link the rail line to Niamey in Niger Republic.

That is the exact quote. Which means no plan, study or anything os substance was done
regarding the "awarded" project.

Jonathan did nothing to further the "hope".

Buhari already applied for loans, it is China that delayed because they are not sure we can pay back.
Now, the government is aggressively looking for other sources of funding, have awarded contracts and have begun
preliminary work.
https://punchng.com/contractors-begin-preliminary-work-on-1-9bn-kano-niger-republic-rail-line/
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/12/kano-maradi-corridor-amaechi-meets-german-financing-advisory/

You can now see why the comparison makes no sense.

ivolt:

Agreed with who?


If you understand governance, you will know the difference between mere talk, promises, agreement and enforceable business contracts.


There are actual document relating to P&ID and Mambila.
Where are those for the Niger rail line and which companies were involved?


Don't muddle the water, Nigeria took loan from China under some terms of repayment.
There is no "mess" involved, either we pay as agreed or they take over what they have built.

All these talk are unnecessary.
Just bring out the evidence of contract documents signed in 2013 for $1.96 billion dollar rail to Niger.

In any meeting between two or more countries some memorandum are signed though not contract agreement. But do you know or underestimate the power of verbal agreement or memo signed even if they're not agreement? President is a very powerful individual, his word is a law itself but in this case they all signed the communique agreed on. By the way West African Regional Rail Integration is a multilateral agreement signed by all ECOWAS members to do the Project and it doesn't matter wether is contractual or multilateral agreement!

KANO TO NIGER REPUBLIC TO BRING IN ...........

ArewaNorth:


Do you know the consequences of defaulting contract agreement?

Nigeria is expected to pay Sunrise Power who was awarded Mambila Project under OBJ administration a whopping $200m just for defaulting the agreement.
Nigeria was about to lose more than $9b for signing insensitive P&ID contract, the issue is still in arbitration court in London. You get why?
It is ridiculous to pay a Union money for recurrent expenditure instead of capital expenditure. Is it not better for Govt to source fund for everything?

Nigeria will pay Nada for P&ID unless our legal team goofs seriously. Fraud has been established already.

ArewaNorth:


In any meeting between two or more countries some memorandum are signed though not contract agreement. But do you know or underestimate the power of verbal agreement or memo signed even if they're not agreement? President is a very powerful individual, his word is a law itself but in this case they all signed the communique agreed on. By the way West African Regional Rail Integration is a multilateral agreement signed by all ECOWAS members to do the Project and it doesn't matter wether is contractual or multilateral agreement!

It is now obvious you know nothing about business and procurement contracts or governance.

ArewaNorth:


In any meeting between two or more countries some memorandum are signed though not contract agreement. But do you know or underestimate the power of verbal agreement or memo signed even if they're not agreement? President is a very powerful individual, his word is a law itself but in this case they all signed the communique agreed on. By the way West African Regional Rail Integration is a multilateral agreement signed by all ECOWAS members to do the Project and it doesn't matter wether is contractual or multilateral agreement!

President's word is not law in any democratic settings. He makes guided promises because they legislative arm can vote against it.

ivolt:

Wrong comparison.


That is the exact quote. Which means no plan, study or anything os substance was done
regarding the "awarded" project.

Jonathan did nothing to further the "hope".

Buhari already applied for loans, it is China that delayed because they are not sure we can pay back.
Now, the government is aggressively looking for other sources of funding, have awarded contracts and have begun
preliminary work.
https://punchng.com/contractors-begin-preliminary-work-on-1-9bn-kano-niger-republic-rail-line/
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/12/kano-maradi-corridor-amaechi-meets-german-financing-advisory/

You can now see why the comparison makes no sense.

It's the same thing. Both promised to build, both didnt build. No need for this by fire by force criticism of 1 party over the other.

The reason both governments even thought about it was because this extension of the rail line from Katsina to Maradi has always been a part of the railway modernisation masterplan which was designed since the OBJ days. OBJ signed contracts and MOUs for this, GEJ signed contracts and MOUs, and now Buhari is doing same, but somehow the nozzle of your gun is pointed at Buhari alone cos he applied of a loan for it?

Jonathan’s govt unveiled plans to build rail line to Niger Republic for $1.9billion.

And now BUHARI wants $13billion to build gas pipe line through Niger Republics to ALGEIRS

teepain:


Exactly what it is, especially when you consider that ASUU has been on strike for several months and the economy is in a mess to the extent that the FG borrows to pay salaries as revealed by the erstwhile acting Accountant General.

I'm not an expert in governance or foreign relations so it may look like poor prioritisation to me. But apparently it's just Nigeria's foreign policy. We've always done it, and will definitely keep doing it. In the last 5 years, Nigeria has donated vehicles and cash to Benin Republic, Cameroon, Guinea-Bissau, Niger etc. In same period, Nigeria has received donation of vehicles and cash worth 100 times more from foreign countries, so this may not be a big deal afterall.

Meanwhile regarding the comparisons with ASUU, N1.14bn will not solve the ASUU issue; even 500 times that amount wouldn't be sufficient to solve the ASUU problem.

Jonathan's Government awarded 1.4 billion Naira security vehicle purchase in 2014.

obailala:
It's the same thing. Both promised to build, both didnt build. No need for this by fire by force criticism of 1 party over the other.

The reason both governments even thought about it was because this extension of the rail line from Katsina to Maradi has always been a part of the railway modernisation masterplan which was designed since the OBJ days. OBJ signed contracts and MOUs for this, GEJ signed contracts and MOUs, and now Buhari is doing same, but somehow the nozzle of your gun is pointed at Buhari alone cos he applied of a loan for it?

Read the headline again: Jonathan's Government Awarded $1.96bn Kano-Niger Republic Rail Line In 2013

BTW, even if Lord Lugard had designed the project himself, a smart person wouldn't consider that an excuse
for executing it.

It is funny that you think that making vague statements is the same thing as awarding a contract and applying for loans.
In your world, our current financial system will not exist.


Unfortunately, I cannot help you any further if you can't grasp the obvious difference.

mignone:

Ok, they justified dt; d rail track terminates at d border. Right?
Now it's #1.4b worth of vehicles for Nigerien security when our very own house is up in flames.

No wahala, everyday for the thief ...

Which is nearer? Libya or Niger? Well, insecurities in Libya contribute massively to our present situation. So, imagine Niger is unstable? Will it affect us or not?
That is why Nigeria is investing in Niger's security

ivolt:


Read the headline again: Jonathan's Government Awarded $1.96bn Kano-Niger Republic Rail Line In 2013

BTW, even if Lord Lugard had designed the project himself, a smart person wouldn't consider that an excuse
for executing it.

It is funny that you think that making vague statements is the same thing as awarding a contract and applying for loans.
In your world, our current financial system will not exist.


Unfortunately, I cannot help you any further if you can't grasp the obvious difference.

In the Nigerian political context, 'making a promise to build', 'signing a contract or MOU to build', even budgeting actual funds for a project is as useless as the letter 'P' in the word 'Psychology' if the actually building/executing of the project does not take place.

Since 2015 (if not since 2013), we've been hearing about how one contract after another or MOU or whatever term they call it has been signed for the construction of the Lagos - Calabar coastal railway. If these projects have not been executed, then they dont count as anything.

I see the point you're trying to make though; you're simply trying to cherrypick who you want to criticise. Your point is duly noted.

Peter Obi, was a member of the National Economic Management Team of former President Goodluck Jonathan during the approval.

Peter Obi and Diezani K. Alison-Madueke
are partners in corruption.
REVEALED: How Peter Obi Collected N27Billion From Diezani Allison-Madueke and Betrayed Jonathan Instead
https://www.theelitesng.com/revealed-how-peter-obi-collected-n27billion-from-diezani-allison-madueke-and-betrayed-jonathan-instead/

ivolt:
Another "Jonathan made me do it" Fake news.
Nowhere in that article was a contract awarded.

The deceptive OP even added the "$1.96 billion" phantom cost for a project that was never officially considered.

If you think I am wrong, kindly provide the contract documents, the companies involved and the budgetary allocation.

Correct! That's the fact they are hiding

ivolt:


Read the headline again: Jonathan's Government Awarded $1.96bn Kano-Niger Republic Rail Line In 2013

BTW, even if Lord Lugard had designed the project himself, a smart person wouldn't consider that an excuse
for executing it.

It is funny that you think that making vague statements is the same thing as awarding a contract and applying for loans.
In your world, our current financial system will not exist.


Unfortunately, I cannot help you any further if you can't grasp the obvious difference.

Even though GEJ awarded the project, it was conceptualized by OBJ's govt. That railway is VERY IMPORTANT to our future.
1. We are presently investing in many seaports. Those seaports are not meant to services Nigeria only. We have landlocked neighbors that import and export. Presently they use Benin and Togo ports. We want a share of their imports and exports.
2. To get a share of that market, we need to make it attractive to Niger. The railway olis really from Lagos. It is being done in phases. So, that project is NOT a waste. It is done to earn income for the govt and people of Nigeria and also to boost employment.
3. In the case of the present 1.14B gift to Niger, insecurities don't know borders. That is why US is everywhere, fighting in other places to keep US safe. Libya that is not our neighbors adversely affected our security. Imagine the effect instability in Niger will have on Nigeria!
4. There is no country in West Africa that Nigeria don't bless with money. It has even reduced under Buhari as PMB is an Akagum! Even Cameroon dey benefit. The difference now is any money to be gifted to our neighbors is provided for in the budget and is transparent unlike when OBJ will just instruct NNPC or CBN to give them money.
5. You want Nigeria to be regarded as the giant of Africa, it is interventions like this that bring such honors. In international relations, you buy friends with gifts. You pursue your country's interests with cash!!! You want Nigeria to be relevant in international arena, we must spend .
6. China and Western countries that give Nigeria grants, do you think it is because they don't have things they can spend the money on in their own countries? Lol!!!!

mignone:

Ok, they justified dt; d rail track terminates at d border. Right?
Now it's #1.4b worth of vehicles for Nigerien security when our very own house is up in flames.

No wahala, everyday for the thief ...

Most countries give grants to others. USA, despite being the largest debtor in the world, still gives grants to other countries.

You guys are just sensational about this thing

Provide the link where GEJ government awarded the contract or even talk about the project. Like seriously nairaland has turned to apc propaganda tool

Linking all of Nigeria with as much rail lines and good road network as possible makes more social and economic sense than rail lines to Niger Republic and bridges to Cameroon.

The only sense I can make of the rail from Nigeria to Niger (or other investments in Niger by Nigeria) is blackmail, possibly in the form of appeasing France backed Niger in order to limit their terrorists and banditry activities on Nigeria soil.

I can imagine the veiled threats during some of those submits that leaders attend. Nigeria contingent being advised that alleviating poverty in the Sahel region is the only way to end insecurity in Nigeria.

Big fat lie

ArewaNorth:


It was agreed in 2013 that rail line will be constructed to Niger Republic from Nigeria, this was contained in a West African countries' regional rail integration, 2011 which Jonathan was part of. If you don't know or understand governance you'll never understand how sensitive agreements are. This are the kind of agreements our clueless leaders have been signing including P&ID by GEJ's administration, Mambila Power Plant by OBJ and many other shady contracts which we were either not sincerely committed to or just signed for political gain. This same mess will happen with numerous rail line projects among others Nigeria signed with China if our next President is stupid

Provide a link where the agreement was signed

Of what important is Niger to Nigeria?

Dey done go back to Johnathan time,una never tire for diz blame

dmostcheerful:
Hahahaha, achievement wey Buhari dey claim before because say people dey bash am, he later agreed it was Jonathan that awarded and paid the contract.
I told you people most rail track was awarded and paid by Jonathan, it's just that most of them where finished during Buhari's tenure.
As a matter of fact in infrastructure Buhari is zero.

Please read the article. Jonathan didn't pay for anything.

If Jonathan paid for everything, why the borrowing for the same rail tracks?

Some of the worst advice to Africa comes from the West. These advices, superficially excellent, are ment to restrict and underdevelop Africa in order to keep mineral resources available. Africa, in thire calculation, is like Antarctica but overrun with human vermin. They see Africa as a sort of resources reserve.

The advice Nigeria negotiate with teriroists, militants and miscellaneous dingbats comes from the West.

The advice Nigeria rehabilitate captured terrorists instead of execute or lifetime incarcerate them, comes from the West.

The advice that Nigeria create employment for youths or else youth will resort to criminal activities is a sowing of a self fulling virus in the minds of the people and comes from the West.

The last one is a seductive but highly insidious advice. Truth is, the West does not keep order due to employment or relative affluence but through effective state security architecture as well as relying on primary socialisation to instill or maintain moral values in the population. Humans are utility maximisers, humans are insatiable.

A breakdown in cultural structures, not poverty, which is in any case relative, is what unleashes the maximising utility in people and leads to selfish acts with a rising scale of consequences to overall society.

A sexual offender would always find an escuse for his/her character. Bunch of terrorists.

ivolt:
Another "Jonathan made me do it" Fake news.
Nowhere in that article was a contract awarded.

The deceptive OP even added the "$1.96 billion" phantom cost for a project that was never officially considered.

If you think I am wrong, kindly provide the contract documents, the companies involved and the budgetary allocation.

NL and google are your friend my friend

Buhari Copied Jonathan's Idea To Build Rail To Niger Republic by Blue3k2: 5:01am On Jan 09, 2018
https://www.nairaland.com/4278195/buhari-copied-jonathans-idea-build

FACT CHECK: Jonathan or Buhari? Who really approved Kano to Daura rail line?

https://www.thecable.ng/jonathan-or-buhari-who-really-approved-kano-to-daura-rail-line

On Friday, Rotimi Amaechi, minister of transportation, said President Muhammadu Buhari approved rail lines from Kano to Daura and Jibia local government areas of Katsina, his home state.

The revelation led to accusations and counter-accusation on and off social media. Many wondered why the president would take a rail line to his home town, which many considered of “little or no economic value”.

“The president has also approved another rail line from Kano to Daura to Jibia and we hope to connect Jigawa from there and to Niger Republic,” Amaechi had said.

TheCable took a closer look at Amaechi claims and found that the rail line to Katsina, is indeed nothing new, as it was inclusive in a plan approved by former president Goodluck Jonathan, which Buhari may be seeking to implement.

mignone:

Ok, they justified dt; d rail track terminates at d border. Right?
Now it's #1.4b worth of vehicles for Nigerien security when our very own house is up in flames.

No wahala, everyday for the thief ...

So you won't blame Gej govt like you've been blaming Buhari for the rail track?

I thought APC said that Jonathan didn't construct any rail in Nigeria.

ArewaNorth:
FLASHBACK: In 2013, Jonathan’s govt unveiled plans to build rail line to Niger Republic.


https://www.thecable.ng/flashback-in-2013-jonathans-govt-unveiled-plans-to-build-rail-line-to-niger-republic/amp

mema900:


Propaganda cannot lead you anywhere. Obidient movement is not a game as they have made you believe. Its angry young Nigerians fighting for survival. If you like look at it like EPL… nah your life and that of your children this politicians take dey play.

You can’t be a true obidient judging by your writing

Well, you can say whatever you want to say about me. I am saying the obvious as a true and passionate citizen. Our mode of campaign is not good enough, Ipob is giving us headaches.