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Proof For The Existence Of God by dattaswami1: 5:46am On Sep 23, 2022
PROOF FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD



Shankara gave two phases in His philosophy—

Phase of Reality (Paramarthadasa): In this phase, the absolute reality and the relative reality are mentioned. God is the absolute reality and the cosmic energy is the relative reality, which is produced from God in the beginning of this creation. The cosmic energy includes vacuum also and vacuum is the original form of energy, which is very much invisible. The theory of vacuum generating galaxies supports this point. The special theory of relativity also supports this point, which says that the space or vacuum bends along the boundaries of an object.
Phase of Relativity (Vyavaharadasa): In this phase, the cosmic energy, which is acting as relative reality in the first phase appears as the absolute reality. The relative reality is matter, which is generated from energy and is treated as a form of energy. In this phase, the cosmic energy should be treated as the absolute reality, which never becomes relative reality as long as this phase continues. It becomes relative reality only when this second phase disappears and the first phase appears.

When you put your finger on a solid occupying some space, which consists of millions of atoms packed together, your finger does not penetrate the solid. You feel that your finger is obstructed by the continuous phase of solid matter. This impression is only an illusion and the reality is quite different. Each atom consists of a large quantity of space called Atomic Space. All the sub-atomic particles put together constitute a very negligible portion of the atomic space. Therefore, your finger touches a large quantity of space only and the solid matter viz., the sub-atomic particles is only of very very little quantity only. Even the inter atomic distance is also space only. In such case, your finger should penetrate easily into the solid. But, your finger is restricted by the field of kinetic energy of sub-atomic particles and also the inter-atomic bonds, which are only bond energies. Therefore, your finger is not obstructed by the solid state viz., the subatomic particles and instead your finger is restricted by the repulsion of their energy only. Inspite of the real interaction of energy, you misunderstand the reality of solid state. Therefore, matter becomes an illusive form of energy like a false serpent appearing on the real rope in dim light. If you take the minute sub-atomic particle, electron, it is now considered that the electron consists of sub-particles called as quarks. Tomorrow, the quark may be found out consisting of barks and day after tomorrow, the bark may be found consisting of darks and so on. This ad-infinitum leads to the disappearance of the very nature of particle. Even the electron is considered to have dual nature of matter and energy. Even the theory of particle nature stands finally on the fundamental unit of energy, a quantum. Therefore, the nature of particles slowly ends in the nature of energy only and you have to treat the quanta of energy as particles. Your finger penetrates in liquid and gas states of matter because the inter-atomic distances are long and the binding energies are weak to restrict your finger in penetration.

If you take the energy, its inherent nature is kinetic only because the energy is expressed as the multiples of frequency. Frequency is a kinetic parameter. The kinetic energy is always dynamic in nature. Even potential energy is the energy associated with a static particle and the potential energy does not mean that the energy is static. The essence of all these give the final information that energy means the property of dynamism only. Dynamism cannot be independent. When you see that something is dynamic, you refer to a static substratum, which is dynamic. When you have arrived to a conclusion that the entire creation is only energy, it means that the entire creation is only the property of dynamism. This means that the entire creation cannot be an independent item since the dynamism requires its associated substratum. Therefore, this entire creation, which appears as matter, work, vacuum etc., is a continuous ocean of the single phase – energy. In such case, the cosmic energy or the creation cannot exist independently and requires the existence of its possessor or substratum. When a person is walking, the walk or dynamism cannot exist independently without its associated walker. The walk is generated by the walker.

Similarly, all this creation or cosmic energy is generated by its possessor or substratum. Such substratum should be named by some word and the word chosen is God. You cannot say that God should be the particle because the dynamism is always associated with a particle only. This conclusion leads to a serious problem. In case you treat God as particle, then God should also be energy in essence since the nature of the particle finally ends in energy. In such case, God should be essentially energy and there is no meaning in saying that the God is the generator of energy. The generator of energy itself cannot be energy. The generator of energy should be totally different and should not be energy again. If you conclude that God is not energy, God is also not space because space is essentially energy. This means that God is beyond the concept of energy or space. The conclusion of this logic is that your intelligence cannot imagine God, who is beyond the dimensions of space. Your intelligence can imagine anything, which has the dimensions of space only.

When your hand revolves, each revolution is kinetic energy only. The potential energy associated with the hand may be converted into kinetic energy for sometime. When the potential energy is exhausted, the fat associated with the hand may dissolve supplying the kinetic energy. This is conversion of matter into energy. When the fat disappears, your hand stops because there is no provision of conversion of any small portion of matter of the hand into energy. If some provision is made to convert the hand into energy, the revolutions continue till all the hand is converted into energy. At this stage, since the hand totally disappears, there is no revolution because the energy needs association of some matter as its possessor. You need not argue that the electro-magnetic radiation traveling in space is independent entity without possessor. The electromagnetic radiation appearing as independent entity has its unimaginable possessor called as God.

The electron revolves in its orbit and each revolution is an expenditure of some small kinetic energy. People say that since this kinetic energy is very much lesser than the fundamental unit of energy, electron does not lose energy and is not collapsing in the nucleus in long run. They say that the orbit is static. This argument appears in the following way. [Example:] Suppose somebody is selling 10 fruits for 1 paisa. You take only one fruit and you may say that since you cannot pay 0.1 paisa, the fruit is taken free of cost. In this way, you take each fruit and put in your bag. The seller has to agree with your argument since the paisa cannot be divided into fractions. But, after taking 10 fruits, the seller will demand you to pay 1 paisa! Hence, you must conclude this point in two ways. The first way is that the energy needed for each revolution of electron is supplied from cosmic energy, since neither the potential energy associated with electron nor any portion of the particle nature of electron is converted into kinetic energy. The second way is to treat this point beyond logic of measurement of such infinitesimally small kinetic energy compared to the fundamental unit of kinetic energy that can be measured by the human being. This second point is covered under the topic of Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, but even this point needs the requirement of the first point because the accumulation of several revolutions can become equal to the measurable fundamental unit of energy.

The final solution for this is to accept the unimaginable power of the absolute unimaginable God through this event, which can be called as miracle that indicates the existence of unimaginable God. You should not apply the tautology, which is the logic of the relative items to the ultimate absolute unimaginable God.
Re: Proof For The Existence Of God by 50Kilometer: 6:06am On Sep 23, 2022
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Re: Proof For The Existence Of God by dattaswami1: 7:06am On Sep 23, 2022
50Kilometer:
grin alter nonsense

[Science discussed a lot about the boundary of space and beyond it. This boundary is unreachable for any human being and hence, is called as infinite. Unreachable need not be infinite. The finite space also can be unreachable since very very long finite space is also unreachable. Since space is creation of God, its boundary must be known to omniscient God and hence, space must be finite and unreachable for humanity.

If it is finite, beyond it, something should exist. Science itself asks about the nature of the item present beyond the boundary wall of space. Anything beyond space is unimaginable. The reason is that an item beyond space must not have space in it. It must not have spatial dimensions and hence, must not have volume. Even if you concentrate for millions of years, you cannot imagine a volumeless item. Hence, space is finite having boundary, which is unreachable by us, beyond which some unimaginable item must exist, which is called as unimaginable God by us.

If space is infinite, it must not have boundary. Hence, science calls space as infinite without boundary and therefore, there is nothing beyond its non-existent boundary. Hence, there is no reference of God in science. But, we prove the existence of unimaginable God, who is the source of unimaginable miracles seen in the world. Beyond the boundary of imaginable space (hence, we say that space is finite having boundary), proper place must be given to an unimaginable item that is proved by miracles.

Science, unable to give the reason behind miracles, neither accepts these miracles (due to the inability of explanation) nor rejects miracles since these miracles are seen in the world. Hence, science is silent about God and miracles. This is sincere right path of research. Atheists are not scientific since they abandon miracles saying that miracles are simply magic. In case of genuine miracle, they say that science will explain these miracles tomorrow and that tomorrow never comes! Science never says so!]

[Science says that space is expanding constantly. But, Einstein feels that space is totally non-existent. There is no meaning of expansion of non-existent item. If you treat space as infinite and say that the universe consisting of energy and matter is expanding, such expansion must result in the decrease of its density and disintegration of items in the universe, which are not experienced by us. You can say that fresh energy is created, which is converting into matter (and awareness also if you feel that awareness exists apart from the earth), then, the expansion of the universe is possible.

In such case, there is no harm in saying that space is also a form of subtle energy and constant creation of energy means constant creation of space or subtle energy and subsequent constant creation of matter (and awareness). This means that the universe or space is constantly being created. This constant expansion (by creation) of the space or universe is needed to prove that the space is expanding so that no human being can reach the boundary of space and see the unimaginable item existing beyond it.

This means that unreachable nature of space is not inherent characteristic of the space itself, but, is relative due to the impossibility of human being to touch the unimaginable God existing beyond it. You may doubt that the humanity is not travelling with such high velocity so that the present existing finite space has to expand further to make the human being unable to touch the unimaginable God. It is true if the reference is humanity only.

In this creation, apart from humanity on the earth, there are upper energetic worlds in which energetic beings called as angels exist. Even if these energetic beings (angels) travel with very high terrible velocity, they are also unable to touch the boundary of space so that they cannot touch the unimaginable God.

For such requirement, the space has to expand with more speed so that all the boundaries extend further by which even the angels do not touch the boundary of space. The Veda says that even angels could not obtain the unimaginable God (Nainat devaa aapnuvan…). Hence, the expansion of universe is with reference to the angels and not with reference to the humanity. Thus, the constant expansion of the universe proposed by science is correlated with the Vedic statement.]
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[Unimaginable God is undetectable by our human brains. ‘Undetectable’ does not mean that it does not exist. The simultaneous position and momentum of electron are undetectable by the most sophisticated electron microscope. When this instrument is used, the focussed beam attacks the electron and its position is disturbed. Hence, this microscope is unable to detect the exact position of the electron and hence, is unable to calculate the simultaneous momentum of the electron in its original position.

This does not mean that the exact position and simultaneous momentum of electron do not co-exist. They exist, but, are undetectable to the instrument since the equipment used is crude before the sensitivity of the values of electron. This is propounded by Heisenberg as Uncertainty Principle in Science. Similarly, the sensitivity of the status of unimaginable God is very sharp compared to the crudeness of the imagination done by our intelligence-equipment.

God, being the generator of space, does not have space in Him. The product can’t exist in its cause before its generation and if it exists, it is said to be existent even before its generation, which is impossible. God, having no space or spatial dimensions in Him, has no length, width and height. He is beyond space, having no volume. Any item beyond space can never be imagined by anybody even on concentrating for millions of years! Therefore, God exists, even though unimaginable for our intelligence.]

[You should not argue that the existence of unimaginable God should be verified through natural explanations and not by unnatural or unscientific explanations. Nature means creation. Every item in the creation has spatial dimensions and hence, is not beyond space. It is having spatial dimensions and is imaginable. Your objection is that God is to be explained through natural concepts.
We can explain the existence of unimaginable God even though we can’t explain the nature of God.The Veda also says that only the existence of God can be proved and not His nature (Asteetyeva…, Atarkyah…). We never say that we will explain the nature of God. We openly say that God is unimaginable, which means that the nature of God is beyond imagination. But, we can explain and prove the existence of God through natural concepts. If we examine a genuine miracle, it involves natural items and natural concepts only. Whenever the recent human incarnation Shri Satya Sai Baba created sacred ash or some material, His hand creating that is visible and natural.

The rotation of His hand in circular way is also visible and natural. The produced item from space is also visible and natural. Only the mechanism or power of production of an item from space is unimaginable. All these visible natural items and natural processes indicate the final result that an item from the space is produced in unimaginable way. Hence, the unimaginable mechanism or power exists. We say that this unimaginable power or mechanism itself is unimaginable God because there can’t exist two unimaginable items.

Any number of unimaginable items result only as one unimaginable item. Hence, we can’t say that there exists unimaginable God and separately unimaginable power. Hence, this unimaginable power itself is unimaginable God. We use the terminology like unimaginable God and unimaginable power for the sake of explaining to the human brains, which are based on the worldly logic. In the world, we find the source of power like Sun and his power like Sunlight as two different items.

Based on this worldly logic only we use the terms unimaginable God and unimaginable power separately for a better clarification to the human brains. Therefore, once the existence of unimaginable power is proved, the existence of unimaginable God is proved by itself. Hence, the existence of unimaginable God is testable, which is the basic requirement of science for the proof of any concept.

Hence, the existence of unimaginable God is to be accepted through the authority of perception and its deductive knowledge, which alone is believed by science as single authority. There is no need of inference and its inductive knowledge in the explanation of the genuine miracle. The testability can be implemented by the scientist in seeing that such generation of an item from the space is not through the magic. In this point, it is open. The generation of divine ash and special scented nectar from the photos of Baba and other forms of God were also clearly visible and proved beyond any doubt, which can’t be misinterpreted as magic.

A magician may generate a hidden item from the hand through magic. But, sacred ash and nectar can’t be generated by his photos which are existing far from him! Hence, the testability of genuine miracle is proved beyond any doubt, which clearly establishes the existence of unimaginable God.
Re: Proof For The Existence Of God by 50Kilometer: 7:26am On Sep 23, 2022
cheesy cheesy cheesy I'm not going to waist my time on reading your garage.
dattaswami1:


[Science discussed a lot about the boundary of space and beyond it. This boundary is unreachable for any human being and hence, is called as infinite. Unreachable need not be infinite. The finite space also can be unreachable since very very long finite space is also unreachable. Since space is creation of God, its boundary must be known to omniscient God and hence, space must be finite and unreachable for humanity.

If it is finite, beyond it, something should exist. Science itself asks about the nature of the item present beyond the boundary wall of space. Anything beyond space is unimaginable. The reason is that an item beyond space must not have space in it. It must not have spatial dimensions and hence, must not have volume. Even if you concentrate for millions of years, you cannot imagine a volumeless item. Hence, space is finite having boundary, which is unreachable by us, beyond which some unimaginable item must exist, which is called as unimaginable God by us.

If space is infinite, it must not have boundary. Hence, science calls space as infinite without boundary and therefore, there is nothing beyond its non-existent boundary. Hence, there is no reference of God in science. But, we prove the existence of unimaginable God, who is the source of unimaginable miracles seen in the world. Beyond the boundary of imaginable space (hence, we say that space is finite having boundary), proper place must be given to an unimaginable item that is proved by miracles.

Science, unable to give the reason behind miracles, neither accepts these miracles (due to the inability of explanation) nor rejects miracles since these miracles are seen in the world. Hence, science is silent about God and miracles. This is sincere right path of research. Atheists are not scientific since they abandon miracles saying that miracles are simply magic. In case of genuine miracle, they say that science will explain these miracles tomorrow and that tomorrow never comes! Science never says so!]

[Science says that space is expanding constantly. But, Einstein feels that space is totally non-existent. There is no meaning of expansion of non-existent item. If you treat space as infinite and say that the universe consisting of energy and matter is expanding, such expansion must result in the decrease of its density and disintegration of items in the universe, which are not experienced by us. You can say that fresh energy is created, which is converting into matter (and awareness also if you feel that awareness exists apart from the earth), then, the expansion of the universe is possible.

In such case, there is no harm in saying that space is also a form of subtle energy and constant creation of energy means constant creation of space or subtle energy and subsequent constant creation of matter (and awareness). This means that the universe or space is constantly being created. This constant expansion (by creation) of the space or universe is needed to prove that the space is expanding so that no human being can reach the boundary of space and see the unimaginable item existing beyond it.

This means that unreachable nature of space is not inherent characteristic of the space itself, but, is relative due to the impossibility of human being to touch the unimaginable God existing beyond it. You may doubt that the humanity is not travelling with such high velocity so that the present existing finite space has to expand further to make the human being unable to touch the unimaginable God. It is true if the reference is humanity only.

In this creation, apart from humanity on the earth, there are upper energetic worlds in which energetic beings called as angels exist. Even if these energetic beings (angels) travel with very high terrible velocity, they are also unable to touch the boundary of space so that they cannot touch the unimaginable God.

For such requirement, the space has to expand with more speed so that all the boundaries extend further by which even the angels do not touch the boundary of space. The Veda says that even angels could not obtain the unimaginable God (Nainat devaa aapnuvan…). Hence, the expansion of universe is with reference to the angels and not with reference to the humanity. Thus, the constant expansion of the universe proposed by science is correlated with the Vedic statement.]
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[Unimaginable God is undetectable by our human brains. ‘Undetectable’ does not mean that it does not exist. The simultaneous position and momentum of electron are undetectable by the most sophisticated electron microscope. When this instrument is used, the focussed beam attacks the electron and its position is disturbed. Hence, this microscope is unable to detect the exact position of the electron and hence, is unable to calculate the simultaneous momentum of the electron in its original position.

This does not mean that the exact position and simultaneous momentum of electron do not co-exist. They exist, but, are undetectable to the instrument since the equipment used is crude before the sensitivity of the values of electron. This is propounded by Heisenberg as Uncertainty Principle in Science. Similarly, the sensitivity of the status of unimaginable God is very sharp compared to the crudeness of the imagination done by our intelligence-equipment.

God, being the generator of space, does not have space in Him. The product can’t exist in its cause before its generation and if it exists, it is said to be existent even before its generation, which is impossible. God, having no space or spatial dimensions in Him, has no length, width and height. He is beyond space, having no volume. Any item beyond space can never be imagined by anybody even on concentrating for millions of years! Therefore, God exists, even though unimaginable for our intelligence.]

[You should not argue that the existence of unimaginable God should be verified through natural explanations and not by unnatural or unscientific explanations. Nature means creation. Every item in the creation has spatial dimensions and hence, is not beyond space. It is having spatial dimensions and is imaginable. Your objection is that God is to be explained through natural concepts.
We can explain the existence of unimaginable God even though we can’t explain the nature of God.The Veda also says that only the existence of God can be proved and not His nature (Asteetyeva…, Atarkyah…). We never say that we will explain the nature of God. We openly say that God is unimaginable, which means that the nature of God is beyond imagination. But, we can explain and prove the existence of God through natural concepts. If we examine a genuine miracle, it involves natural items and natural concepts only. Whenever the recent human incarnation Shri Satya Sai Baba created sacred ash or some material, His hand creating that is visible and natural.

The rotation of His hand in circular way is also visible and natural. The produced item from space is also visible and natural. Only the mechanism or power of production of an item from space is unimaginable. All these visible natural items and natural processes indicate the final result that an item from the space is produced in unimaginable way. Hence, the unimaginable mechanism or power exists. We say that this unimaginable power or mechanism itself is unimaginable God because there can’t exist two unimaginable items.

Any number of unimaginable items result only as one unimaginable item. Hence, we can’t say that there exists unimaginable God and separately unimaginable power. Hence, this unimaginable power itself is unimaginable God. We use the terminology like unimaginable God and unimaginable power for the sake of explaining to the human brains, which are based on the worldly logic. In the world, we find the source of power like Sun and his power like Sunlight as two different items.

Based on this worldly logic only we use the terms unimaginable God and unimaginable power separately for a better clarification to the human brains. Therefore, once the existence of unimaginable power is proved, the existence of unimaginable God is proved by itself. Hence, the existence of unimaginable God is testable, which is the basic requirement of science for the proof of any concept.

Hence, the existence of unimaginable God is to be accepted through the authority of perception and its deductive knowledge, which alone is believed by science as single authority. There is no need of inference and its inductive knowledge in the explanation of the genuine miracle. The testability can be implemented by the scientist in seeing that such generation of an item from the space is not through the magic. In this point, it is open. The generation of divine ash and special scented nectar from the photos of Baba and other forms of God were also clearly visible and proved beyond any doubt, which can’t be misinterpreted as magic.

A magician may generate a hidden item from the hand through magic. But, sacred ash and nectar can’t be generated by his photos which are existing far from him! Hence, the testability of genuine miracle is proved beyond any doubt, which clearly establishes the existence of unimaginable God.

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Re: Proof For The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 3:19pm On Sep 23, 2022
dattaswami1:
PROOF FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD



Shankara gave two phases in His philosophy—

Phase of Reality (Paramarthadasa): In this phase, the absolute reality and the relative reality are mentioned. God is the absolute reality and the cosmic energy is the relative reality, which is produced from God in the beginning of this creation. The cosmic energy includes vacuum also and vacuum is the original form of energy, which is very much invisible. The theory of vacuum generating galaxies supports this point. The special theory of relativity also supports this point, which says that the space or vacuum bends along the boundaries of an object.
Phase of Relativity (Vyavaharadasa): In this phase, the cosmic energy, which is acting as relative reality in the first phase appears as the absolute reality. The relative reality is matter, which is generated from energy and is treated as a form of energy. In this phase, the cosmic energy should be treated as the absolute reality, which never becomes relative reality as long as this phase continues. It becomes relative reality only when this second phase disappears and the first phase appears.

When you put your finger on a solid occupying some space, which consists of millions of atoms packed together, your finger does not penetrate the solid. You feel that your finger is obstructed by the continuous phase of solid matter. This impression is only an illusion and the reality is quite different. Each atom consists of a large quantity of space called Atomic Space. All the sub-atomic particles put together constitute a very negligible portion of the atomic space. Therefore, your finger touches a large quantity of space only and the solid matter viz., the sub-atomic particles is only of very very little quantity only. Even the inter atomic distance is also space only. In such case, your finger should penetrate easily into the solid. But, your finger is restricted by the field of kinetic energy of sub-atomic particles and also the inter-atomic bonds, which are only bond energies. Therefore, your finger is not obstructed by the solid state viz., the subatomic particles and instead your finger is restricted by the repulsion of their energy only. Inspite of the real interaction of energy, you misunderstand the reality of solid state. Therefore, matter becomes an illusive form of energy like a false serpent appearing on the real rope in dim light. If you take the minute sub-atomic particle, electron, it is now considered that the electron consists of sub-particles called as quarks. Tomorrow, the quark may be found out consisting of barks and day after tomorrow, the bark may be found consisting of darks and so on. This ad-infinitum leads to the disappearance of the very nature of particle. Even the electron is considered to have dual nature of matter and energy. Even the theory of particle nature stands finally on the fundamental unit of energy, a quantum. Therefore, the nature of particles slowly ends in the nature of energy only and you have to treat the quanta of energy as particles. Your finger penetrates in liquid and gas states of matter because the inter-atomic distances are long and the binding energies are weak to restrict your finger in penetration.

If you take the energy, its inherent nature is kinetic only because the energy is expressed as the multiples of frequency. Frequency is a kinetic parameter. The kinetic energy is always dynamic in nature. Even potential energy is the energy associated with a static particle and the potential energy does not mean that the energy is static. The essence of all these give the final information that energy means the property of dynamism only. Dynamism cannot be independent. When you see that something is dynamic, you refer to a static substratum, which is dynamic. When you have arrived to a conclusion that the entire creation is only energy, it means that the entire creation is only the property of dynamism. This means that the entire creation cannot be an independent item since the dynamism requires its associated substratum. Therefore, this entire creation, which appears as matter, work, vacuum etc., is a continuous ocean of the single phase – energy. In such case, the cosmic energy or the creation cannot exist independently and requires the existence of its possessor or substratum. When a person is walking, the walk or dynamism cannot exist independently without its associated walker. The walk is generated by the walker.

Similarly, all this creation or cosmic energy is generated by its possessor or substratum. Such substratum should be named by some word and the word chosen is God. You cannot say that God should be the particle because the dynamism is always associated with a particle only. This conclusion leads to a serious problem. In case you treat God as particle, then God should also be energy in essence since the nature of the particle finally ends in energy. In such case, God should be essentially energy and there is no meaning in saying that the God is the generator of energy. The generator of energy itself cannot be energy. The generator of energy should be totally different and should not be energy again. If you conclude that God is not energy, God is also not space because space is essentially energy. This means that God is beyond the concept of energy or space. The conclusion of this logic is that your intelligence cannot imagine God, who is beyond the dimensions of space. Your intelligence can imagine anything, which has the dimensions of space only.

When your hand revolves, each revolution is kinetic energy only. The potential energy associated with the hand may be converted into kinetic energy for sometime. When the potential energy is exhausted, the fat associated with the hand may dissolve supplying the kinetic energy. This is conversion of matter into energy. When the fat disappears, your hand stops because there is no provision of conversion of any small portion of matter of the hand into energy. If some provision is made to convert the hand into energy, the revolutions continue till all the hand is converted into energy. At this stage, since the hand totally disappears, there is no revolution because the energy needs association of some matter as its possessor. You need not argue that the electro-magnetic radiation traveling in space is independent entity without possessor. The electromagnetic radiation appearing as independent entity has its unimaginable possessor called as God.

The electron revolves in its orbit and each revolution is an expenditure of some small kinetic energy. People say that since this kinetic energy is very much lesser than the fundamental unit of energy, electron does not lose energy and is not collapsing in the nucleus in long run. They say that the orbit is static. This argument appears in the following way. [Example:] Suppose somebody is selling 10 fruits for 1 paisa. You take only one fruit and you may say that since you cannot pay 0.1 paisa, the fruit is taken free of cost. In this way, you take each fruit and put in your bag. The seller has to agree with your argument since the paisa cannot be divided into fractions. But, after taking 10 fruits, the seller will demand you to pay 1 paisa! Hence, you must conclude this point in two ways. The first way is that the energy needed for each revolution of electron is supplied from cosmic energy, since neither the potential energy associated with electron nor any portion of the particle nature of electron is converted into kinetic energy. The second way is to treat this point beyond logic of measurement of such infinitesimally small kinetic energy compared to the fundamental unit of kinetic energy that can be measured by the human being. This second point is covered under the topic of Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, but even this point needs the requirement of the first point because the accumulation of several revolutions can become equal to the measurable fundamental unit of energy.

The final solution for this is to accept the unimaginable power of the absolute unimaginable God through this event, which can be called as miracle that indicates the existence of unimaginable God. You should not apply the tautology, which is the logic of the relative items to the ultimate absolute unimaginable God.

All you need to do is pass through a solid brick wall under laboratory conditions. This your long epistle proves nothing.

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Re: Proof For The Existence Of God by dattaswami1: 8:03am On Sep 24, 2022
LordReed:


All you need to do is pass through a solid brick wall under laboratory conditions. This your long epistle proves nothing.

:- Miracles indicate the existence of unimaginable God in a specific medium. But, miraculous powers can also be transferred by unimaginable God into a soul doing rigid penance in which case (of demons) unimaginable God need not exist in the specific medium (of demons).
Miracles exhibited by anybody indicate certainly the existence of unimaginable God as a basic concept. By miracles, you can’t be sure of the existence of unimaginable God in a medium performing the miracles. Miracles need not indicate the existence of unimaginable God in a soul.
Miracles, love with bliss and excellent true spiritual knowledge exist together in the incarnation of God Datta. In every incarnation of God Datta, the spiritual knowledge and love with bliss exist without any exception. Miracles also exist with the incarnation, but, exhibition or non-exhibition of miracles depends on the will (real necessity) of unimaginable God.
Re: Proof For The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 9:24am On Sep 24, 2022
dattaswami1:


:- Miracles indicate the existence of unimaginable God in a specific medium. But, miraculous powers can also be transferred by unimaginable God into a soul doing rigid penance in which case (of demons) unimaginable God need not exist in the specific medium (of demons).
Miracles exhibited by anybody indicate certainly the existence of unimaginable God as a basic concept. By miracles, you can’t be sure of the existence of unimaginable God in a medium performing the miracles. Miracles need not indicate the existence of unimaginable God in a soul.
Miracles, love with bliss and excellent true spiritual knowledge exist together in the incarnation of God Datta. In every incarnation of God Datta, the spiritual knowledge and love with bliss exist without any exception. Miracles also exist with the incarnation, but, exhibition or non-exhibition of miracles depends on the will (real necessity) of unimaginable God.

I didn't ask for an explanation, I asked for a demonstration.

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