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What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 2:00pm On Aug 13, 2011
Since i became an adherent of Nairaland Religion section, i thought atheism was gaining more grounds in terms of popularity in the world, judging by the way some atheism 'Evangelist' on the forum goes about their campaign and 'preaching' on the non existence of a 'god', hence trying to make believers change from their 'erroneous' beliefs as regards same. My opinion was also premised on the way some degenerate to calling of names, insults etc just to convey their supposed 'truth'  about the non existence of  a spirit, God, nor life force, to the extent that we often here such words from the pseudo 'scientist' here that loves to argue blinding by twisting issues into his favour like 'there's poor evidence or lack of evidence'

[s]It amuses me to see people argue strongly against what they believe is not existing and then take a swing to criticize same character as being wicked, evil etc, reading and quoting from the book regarded as a 'fiction' or false. Human beings sef. [b](well that's a subject for another discussion)
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However and in line with the foregoing, whilst not deviating from the aim and title of this thread, i consulted Google out of curiosity to find out from various statistics if my thinking is actually correct and in line with reality. What i found from the collection of sites visited suggests something different. We do hear that there are emerging more scientific evidences that there couldn't have been a supreme being behind the mysteries and the unexplainable complexities around our world and the universe. This only ought to give an increment to the total worlds population of that holds such beliefs, thereby having a substantial % in the world's population in comparison with that of the Believers.

I wouldn't know if that's really the case but will leave the matter for people to judge and comment as the thread progresses.

My first point of call is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

wikipedia Demographics of atheism:

The demographics of atheism are difficult to quantify. Different people interpret "atheist" and related terms differently, and it can be hard to draw boundaries between atheism, non-religious beliefs, and non-theistic religious and spiritual beliefs. Furthermore, atheists may not report themselves as such, to prevent suffering from social stigma, discrimination, and persecution in some countries,[1] or, in cases where the situation is reversed, religious people may keep their beliefs secret in pro-atheist societies.
the last paragraph has balanced the equation a bit


wikipedia Studies and statistics:

Because some governments have strongly promoted atheism and others have strongly condemned it, atheism may be either over-reported or under-reported for different countries. There is a great deal of room for debate as to the accuracy of any method of estimation, as the opportunity for misreporting (intentionally or not) a category of people without an organizational structure is high. Also, many surveys on religious identification ask people to identify themselves as "agnostics" or "atheists", which is potentially confusing, since these terms are interpreted differently, with some identifying themselves as being agnostic atheists. Additionally, many of these surveys only gauge the number of irreligious people, not the number of actual atheists, or group the two together. For example, research indicates that the fastest growing religious status may be "no religion" in the United States, but this includes all kinds of atheists, agnostics, and theists.
This also attempt to strike a balance



wikipedia Prejudice:
Legal and social discrimination against atheists in some places may lead some to deny or conceal their atheism due to fears of persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities, more so than Muslims, recent immigrants, man-loving-men and lady-loving-ladies, and other groups. Many of the respondents associated atheism with immorality, including criminal behaviour, extreme materialism, and elitism.[5] However, the same study also reported that, “The researchers also found acceptance or rejection of atheists is related not only to personal religiosity, but also to one’s exposure to diversity, education and political orientation—with more educated, East and West Coast Americans more accepting of atheists than their Midwestern counterparts.

quite interesting

wikipedia Geographic distribution:

Though atheists are in the minority in most countries, they are relatively common in Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, in former and present communist states, and to a lesser extent, in the United States and the Southern Cone. A 1995 survey attributed to the Encyclopædia Britannica indicates that the non-religious are about 14.7% of the world's population, and atheists around 3.8%. Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population. It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not. What is certain is that in some areas of the world (such as Europe) atheism and secularization are increasing.

wikipedia Geographic distribution:
While there are more atheists than ever before, polls show that atheism's percentages seem to be declining. This may be because birth rates in religious societies are much higher.[6] This is similar to a 2002 survey by Adherents.com, which estimates the proportion of the world's people who are "secular, non-religious, agnostics and atheists" at about 14%.[7] A 2004 survey by the BBC in 10 countries showed the proportion of the population "who don't believe in God" varying between 0% (Nigeria) and 39% (UK), with an average close to 17% in the countries surveyed. About 8% of the respondents stated specifically that they consider themselves to be atheists.[8] 65% of those polled in a 2011 survey by the British Humanist Association answered no to the question "Are you religious?".[9] A 2004 survey by the CIA in the World Fact book estimates about 12.5% of the world's population are non-religious, and about 2.4% are atheists.[10] A 2004 survey by the Pew Research Center showed that in the United States, 12% of people under 30 and 6% of people over 30 could be characterized as [/b]non-religious.[11] A 2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power [b](2% atheist, 4% agnostic), while France had the most skeptics (19% atheist, 16% agnostic). On the religion question, South Korea had the greatest percentage without a religion (41%) while Italy had the smallest (5%).[12]
The characters in bold interests me a lot


wikipedia Geographic distribution:
A study has shown atheism in the West to be particularly prevalent among scientists, a tendency already quite marked at the beginning of the 20th century, developing into a dominant one during the course of the century. In 1914, James H. Leuba found that 58% of 1,000 randomly selected U.S. natural scientists expressed "disbelief or doubt in the existence of God" (defined as a personal God which interacts directly with human beings). The same study, repeated in 1996, gave a similar percentage of 60.7%. Expressions of positive disbelief rose from 52% to 72%.

Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 2:02pm On Aug 13, 2011
wikipedia Europe:
According to a 2005 Eurostat Eurobarometer poll, 52% of European Union citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 27% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 18% that "they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor life force". Results were widely varied between different countries, with 95% of Maltese respondents [/b]stating that they believe in God, on the one end, and only 16% of Estonians stating the same on the other

[img]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Europe_belief_in_god.svg[/img]


wikipedia EUROPE:
Several studies have found Sweden to be one of the most atheist countries in the world. [b]23% of Swedish
citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 53% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 23% that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force". This, according to the survey, would make Swedes the third least religious people in the 27-member European Union, after Estonia and the Czech Republic. In 2001, the Czech Statistical Office provided census information on the ten million people in the Czech Republic. 59% had no religion, 32.2% were religious, and 8.8% did not answer



wikipedia EUROPE:
n France, about 12% of the population reportedly attends religious services more than once per month. In a 2003 poll 54% of those polled in France identified themselves as "faithful," 33% as atheist, 14% as agnostic, and 26% as "indifferent."[16] According to a different poll, 32% declared themselves atheists, and an additional 32% declared themselves agnostic.[17]



In Spain, 81.7% are believers, 11% are non-believers and 6% are atheists (according to the 2005 poll of the public Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas).[18]

There is a complex situation with atheism in Russia. According to a surveys of Levada Center, 30% of those surveyed self-described as non-religious, agnostic or atheist. Although there are 66% of Orthodox believers (and 3% Muslims) in Russia, only 42% of people fully trust religious organizations and just 8% regularly (at least once a month) attend the service.[19]

According to a study carried out by doctor in political science Simon Geissbühler, Swiss atheists tend to be more left-leaning, even accounting for age and income than the average Swiss population
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 2:03pm On Aug 13, 2011
wikipedia United Kingdom:

In the United Kingdom, a 2007 survey found 15% of the population attends church more than once per month.[21] A poll in 2004 by the BBC put the number of people who do not believe in a God at 39%,[22] while a YouGov poll in the same year put the percentage of non-believers at 35% with 21% answering "Don't Know".[23] In the YouGov poll men were less likely to believe in a god than women, 39% of men as opposed to 49% of women, and younger people were less likely to believe in a god than older people.

In early 2004, it was announced that atheism would be taught during religious education classes in the United Kingdom.[24] A spokesman for the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority stated: "There are many children in England who have no religious affiliation and their beliefs and ideas, whatever they are, should be taken very seriously." There is also considerable debate in the UK on the status of faith-based schools, which use religious as well as academic selection criteria. A 2009 study reported that two thirds of teenagers in the UK do not believe in God.[25]

The graph below shows the trends of people who self-classify as Christian, non-Christian religious, and non-believer as measured by the British Social Attitudes Survey between 1983 and 2007
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 2:04pm On Aug 13, 2011
wikipedia North America:

A 2004 BBC poll showed the number of people in the US who don't believe in a god to be about 9%.[8] A 2008 Gallup poll showed that a smaller 6% of the US population believed that no god or universal spirit exists.[27] The most recent ARIS report, released March 9, 2009, found in 2008, 34.2 million Americans (15.0%) claim no religion, of which 1.6% explicitly describes itself as atheist (0.7%) or agnostic (0.9%), nearly double the previous 2001 ARIS survey figure of 0.9%.[28] The highest occurrence of "nones", according to the 2008 ARIS report, reside in Vermont, with 34% surveyed.[29]

The latest statistics show that a lack of religious identity increased in every US state between 1990 and 2008.[30] However less than 2% of the U.S. population describes itself as atheist.[31]

Atheism is more prevalent in Canada than in the United States, with 19–30% of the population holding an atheistic or agnostic viewpoint.[32] The 2001 Canadian Census states that 16.2% of the population holds no religious affiliation, though exact statistics on atheism are not recorded.[33] In urban centers this figure can be substantially higher; the 2001 census indicated that 42.2% of residents in Vancouver hold "no religious affiliation."[34] A recent survey in 2008 found that 23% of Canadians said they did not believe in a god.[35]

Separation of church and state is guaranteed by Article 130 of the Mexican Constitution, which also designates religious leaders as ineligible for public office, while the majority of the population identifies as Roman Catholic (89%).[36]

Although the demographics of atheism and irreligion in Mexico is hard to measure because many atheists are officially counted as Catholic, almost three million people in the 2000 National Census reported having no religion.[37] Recent surveys have shown that only around 3% of Catholics attend church daily[38] and, according to INEGI, t[b]he number of atheists grows annually by 5.2%, while the number of Catholics grows by 1.7%[/b]
Na wa o. Even in the US? shocked shocked shocked shocked


wikipedia Population attributes of atheists in the US:

"The analyses of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Study 1) and the General Social Surveys (Study 2) show that adolescent and adult intelligence significantly increases adult liberalism, atheism, and men's (but not women's) value on sexual exclusivity."[41][42][43]

Overall, U.S. Americans who profess no religion or self-identify as atheist or agnostic are more likely to be white non-Hispanic or Asian and less likely to be African American, as compared to the general adult population in U.S.[44]

In the U.S., 55 percent of atheists are under age 35, while 30 percent are 50 and over (compared to 37 percent of the total population). As a group agnostics are older than atheists, though still younger than the general population.[44] Comparing this 2001 data with the 1990 National Survey of Religious Identification (NSRI) provides evidence of a trend towards secularization among the younger American population.[44][45]

In the US men are more likely to be atheists than women, and also rate lower on various other measures of religiousity such as frequency of prayer
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 2:06pm On Aug 13, 2011
[center]South America[/center]

* Uruguay – 17.2% atheist or agnostic; 23.2% "believing in God but without religion"[47]
* Argentina – 11.3% "indifferent towards religion" (including agnostic and atheists)[48]
* Chile – 8.3% atheist or agnostic[49]
* Brazil – 7.4% non-religious[50]
* Colombia – 1.9% non-religious[51]
* Peru – 1.4% non-religious as of 1993[52]
* Paraguay – 1.1% non-religious[53]


[center]Asia[/center]

In Israel, a prominent percentage[weasel words] of Israelis who were born ethnically Jewish consider themselves "secular" or hilonim, some of them still keep certain religious traditions for cultural reasons, but most are immersed within the secular Jewish culture. The number of Atheists and Agnostics is lower, and it stands at 15% to 37%. The Fridman report for 2007 found that less than 20% define themselves as secular—and only 5% as anti-religious.[54]

East Asian religions define religion differently than in the West, making classification of certain adherents of Buddhism and Taoism particularly difficult, as belief in gods is often not required by some of the schools of thought of those religions. Japan can be especially confusing, with most of the population incorporating practices from multiple religions into their lives (see Religion in Japan). In the People's Republic of China, 59% of the population claim to be non-religious.[55] However, this percentage may be significantly greater (up to 80%) or smaller (down to 30%) in reality, because some Chinese define religion differently. Some Chinese define religion as practicing customs (which may be done for cultural or traditional reasons), while others define it as actually consciously believing their religion will lead to post-mortem salvation/reincarnation. According to the surveys of Phil Zuckerman on Adherents.com in 1993, 59% (over 700 million)[56] of the Chinese population was irreligious and 8% – 14% was atheist (from over 100 to 180 million) as of 2005


[center]Oceania[/center]

In the Australian 2006 Census of Population and Housing, in the question which asked. "What is the person's religion?" 18.7% ticked the box marked "no religion" or wrote in a response that was classified as non-religious (e.g. humanism, atheist), which is a growth of 3.2% since the 2001 Census. This question was optional and 11.2% did not answer the question.[58] There are often popular and successful campaigns to have people describe themselves as non-mainstream religions (e.g. Jedi).[59]

In 2006, the New Zealand census asked, "What is your religion?" 34.7% of those answering indicated no religion. 12.2% did not respond or objected to answering the question
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 2:07pm On Aug 13, 2011


Country↓         Belief in a God↓              Belief in a spirit  or life force↓                    Belief in neither a spirit, God, nor life force↓


Turkey                 95%                                           2%                                                                   1%


Malta                 95%                                           3%                                                                   1% 


Cyprus                 90%                                           7%                                                                   2%


Romania                 90%                                           8%                                                                   1%


Greece                 81%                                           6%                                                                   3%


Portugal                 81%                                          12%                                                                   6%


Poland                 80%                                          15%                                                                   1%


Italy                 74%                                          16%                                                                   6%


Republic of  Ireland 73%                                          22%                                                                   4%


Croatia                 67%                                          25%                                                                   7%


Slovakia                 61%                                          26%                                                                 11%


Spain                 59%                                          21%                                                                 18%


Austria                 54%                                          34%                                                                   8%


Lithuania                 49%                                          36%                                                                 12%


Switzerland         48%                                          39%                                                                  9%


Germany                 47%                                          25%                                                                  5%


Luxembourg         44%                                          28%                                                                 22%


Hungary                 44%                                          31%                                                                 19%

             
Belgium                43%                                                  29%                                                                  27%


Finland                 41%                                          41%                                                                  16%


Bulgaria                 40%                                          40%                                                                   13%


Iceland                 38%                                          48%                                                                   11%


United Kingdom 38%                                          40%                                                                   20%


Latvia                 37%                                          49%                                                                   10%


Slovenia                 37%                                          46%                                                                   16%


France                 34%                                          27%                                                                   33%


Netherlands         34%                                          37%                                                                   27%


Norway                 32%                                          47%                                                                   17%


Denmark                 31%                                          49%                                                                   19%


Sweden                 23%                                          53%                                                                   23%


Czech Republic 19%                                          50%                                                                   30%


Estonia Estonia 16%                                          54%                                                                    26%         

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 2:26pm On Aug 13, 2011
Another wiki source also states the below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism



Since conceptions of atheism vary, determining how many atheists exist in the world today is no easy task.[18] According to one estimate, about 2.3% of the world's population are atheists, while a further 11.9% are nonreligious.[19] According to another, rates of self-reported atheism are among the highest in Western nations, although also to quite varying degrees—United States (4%), Italy (7%), Spain (11%), Great Britain (17%), Germany (20%), and France (32%)
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by UyiIredia(m): 5:27pm On Aug 13, 2011
I am not bothered with their numbers. i am more interested in the content of their arguments - whether it is truthful or not. toba, don't get worked up over the atheists.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 5:43pm On Aug 13, 2011
Me get worked up? Never. Im not moved one bit by the Farce most of them put up here. yes there are very few honest fellows among the sect. Pastor Adeboye said something two days ago and its goes thus. 'Whether believers and unbelievers failed to acknowledge GOD, it doesn't stop God from being GOD for one minute'.

This' just to test the popularity of Atheism and how Generally acceptable such is in the world at large.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by UyiIredia(m): 6:07pm On Aug 13, 2011
^^ oh ! ok.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 12:03pm On Aug 15, 2011
justcool on Yesterday at 05:52:40 AM:

I don’t have any scientific evidence that God exists; neither do you have any scientific evidence that God does not exist, . . .



davidylan on February 23, 2010, 05:00 PM:

Neither does the atheist have any empirical evidence that God doesnt exist at all . . . infact the only argument the atheist has is that the theist has not provided God's home address to him.


MyJoe on February 23, 2010, 05:06 PM:

That won't do. They'd want to shake hands.

Now, how such can qualify to be God in anyone's view beats me.
In line with the above, Even if we have 'failed' either to give God's address or provided any empirical proof of his existence, the population of those requiring us to do the above things cant be compared with those of us that have 'failed' to do their bidding.

This can only confirm that either the atheists or the theists/those that believe in a higher spirit are deluded. What then could be responsible for this?



One cluster of comparative growth statistics is striking: As of mid-2011, there will be an average of 80,000 new Christians per day (of whom 31,000 will be Catholics) and 79,000 new Muslims per day, but 300 fewer atheists every 24 hours."
http://www.internationalbulletin.org/system/files/2011-01-028-johnson.html


This year’s report continues to document the resurgence of religion. At first glance, however, religion seems to be on the wane. A comparison of 1900 (99.8 percent religious) and 2011 (88.6 percent religious) shows that the world is less religious today than it was 100 years ago. (Add lines 13 and 17 and then divide by line 1 for the percentage of the world that is not religious in a particular year. Subtracting this figure from 100 percent then gives the percentage that is religious.) If we consider the figure for 1970 (80.8 percent religious), however, we can see that the world is more religious today than it was four decades ago. Furthermore, our projections for 2025 point to a more religious world in the future (up to 90.5 percent). What is behind these trends? The main factor is the collapse of Communism. While secularization has been slowly at work around the world, especially in Europe, the largest number of agnostics and atheists emerged under Communism in the Soviet Union and China. The high point of nonreligious adherence was thus around 1970. After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, large numbers of the nonreligious returned to religion. One of the most profound examples is Albania, formerly a bastion of atheism, which today is almost entirely Muslim or Christian.

Our projections for the future show a sustained decline of the nonreligious. This is due primarily to the resurgence of Buddhism, Christianity, and other religions in China. If this trend continues, agnostics and atheists will be a smaller portion of the world’s population in 2025 than they are today.
http://www.internationalbulletin.org/system/files/2011-01-028-johnson.html

I have tried to highlight the key points in the quote which shows what could be responsible for the higher numbers of those that believe in God, Religious on in higher spirit being the controller of the world

my conclusion on this post:

Atheism HAS lost ground cos Communist and atheists don't "stick"

NB

The stats aren't mine as most them are free materials available on WWW. if anyone feels so strongly about their/his 'belief' and chose to be overzealous/agitated, so one/persons can channel the grief to the author(s) of the stats

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 9:53pm On Aug 28, 2011
With whats expressly stated herein, the atheists needs to work more on evangelizing their belief for it to be more acceptable rather than feeding us with tantrums embarassed
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by mazaje(m): 10:07pm On Aug 28, 2011
What the hell has numbers got to do with anything?. . .Facts have nothing to do with numbers. . .Once the the entire world view that people held was wrong and one man's view in the person of Galileo was right, no?. . .Yet he was a minority. . .
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 8:38am On Aug 29, 2011
interesting defensive response from mazaje.
There are two possible conclusions that can be drawn from your response.

1) that facts got nothing to do with numbers: I may agree with u if only u would agree with me also that may be christianity Could have been more accepted in the world if not for the fact that 'facts got nothing to do with numbers' like u ve rightly alleged above. This would take me back into my bible in the gospel of John

Joh:1:9: That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh:1:10: He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh:1:11: He came unto his own, and his own received him not.


In line with the foregoing, for people like u that have rejected Christianity and Jesus, from your summation, we can conclude that u are rejecting not because hes not the fact but doing so cos u feel like doing so



2. Also Japanese people are manufacturing both Honda and Toyota. People chose Toyota ahead of Honda and the stats available tells us that honda doesnt command same sale rate as compared with Toyota.

If i want to go with your submission, then it means Toyota might not actually be in 'fact' the best car, but people chose just becos they feel like.


I may be missing something regarding why the world has refused to accept atheism from what u stated above that
'Facts have nothing to do with numbers.'

care to expatiate? I would be willing to learn from u sir cheesy smiley
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by mazaje(m): 11:24am On Aug 29, 2011
I reject the Jesus stories because most of the story does not agree with the reality I see around me. . .There are no credible evidence to support the story and most of what Jesus was alleged to have said or promised his followers are impossible and do not occur as promised. . .

With regards to you Honda and Toyota analogy, I think its not accurate compared to religion because religion does not work that way. . .When it comes to religion, there are no choices because it relies heavily on indoctrination at an early age when people have not developed a mind of their own. . . indoctrination and inculcation is a primary factor for religious beliefs as most people adopt the religious beliefs of their parents. people are made to believe at an early age and that belief becomes a part of their reality not because the beliefs are true but because it is a part of their culture and reality. . .When you believe strongly enough that belief becomes you reality regardless of weather its true or not. . .That is why we have various religious beliefs. . .Most people accept the religious they are born into, children are made to recite a confession of faith and accept that what they are told is true. . .

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Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by InesQor(m): 1:41pm On Aug 29, 2011
mazaje:

I reject the Jesus stories because most of the story does not agree with the reality I see around me. . .There are no credible evidence to support the story and most of what Jesus was alleged to have said or promised his followers are impossible and do not occur as promised. . .

Hi Mazaje. Kindly give examples, please.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by claremont(m): 2:01pm On Aug 29, 2011
@OP: I fail to understand what the point of your post is. If you are trying to say that numerically, Atheism has fewer "believers" as compared to religious adherents, I do agree on that point. My question is; what does numbers have to do with anything? Our argument should be based on clear-cut facts and logic, not on numerical figures.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 2:17pm On Aug 29, 2011
claremont its simple. Most atheist regards the theist and deists as deluded people for believing in imaginary being as a God. Yet u have all being claiming that new scientific discoveries/evidence are showing that the theists may not be right. Till date are still asking us for empirical proof of our God. I believe the world changes with technology or with trend. How come the world is yet to reason along such line and believe that there's no God.

With the way u guys are propagating ur beliefs here, im sure some 'baby believers' might begin to doubt their faith on the erroneous believe that Religion or belief in a form of spiritual being is behind the universe is gradually becoming unpopular.

another reason is for u guys to also have a rethink about ur stance before its too late
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by claremont(m): 2:30pm On Aug 29, 2011
toba:

claremont its simple. Most atheist regards the theist and deists as deluded people for believing in imaginary being as a God. Yet u have all being claiming that new scientific discoveries/evidence are showing that the theists may not be right. Till date are still asking us for empirical proof of our God.  I believe the world changes with technology or with trend. How come the world is yet to reason along such line and believe that there's no God.

With the way u guys are propagating your beliefs here, im sure some 'baby believers' might begin to doubt their faith on the erroneous believe that Religion or belief in a form of spiritual being is behind the universe is gradually becoming unpopular.

another reason is for u guys to also have a rethink about your stance before its too late
Erroneous? What is more erroneous to you; a belief that God does not exist, OR a belief that God exists but we don't have the proof? The mere fact that the majority believe in a theory does NOT translate that theory into a fact. Facts require substantiated evidence, is that too much for religious people to understand and provide?!

You said "another reason is for u guys to also have a rethink about your stance before its too late". Too late? Too late for what, or is this another despicable attempt to use the same hell-fire scare tactics which has been used to deceive gullible people for decades?
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by InesQor(m): 2:32pm On Aug 29, 2011
Don't you guys get tired of this God exists / God does not exist argument?
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by InesQor(m): 3:44pm On Aug 29, 2011
One question I have for the Atheists:

Why do Atheists often deem religion as anti-intellectual but philosophy is considered intellectual?
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 4:29pm On Aug 29, 2011
toba:

claremont its simple. Most atheist regards the theist and deists as deluded people for believing in imaginary being as a God. Yet u have all being claiming that new scientific discoveries/evidence are showing that the theists may not be right. Till date are still asking us for empirical proof of our God. I believe the world changes with technology or with trend. How come the world is yet to reason along such line and believe that there's no God.

polls dont mean a thing. You'd be surprised how many people are voting in favour of a deity solely because of societal pressure.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 4:48pm On Aug 29, 2011
As i much as i agree with u, u must also know that its not possible to have such an overwhelming numbers of those that doesnt share the same belief with the atheists just because of societal pressure. may be before, but not now in our present day civilization. Not everyone have lost it and would give up their belief easily without having strong conviction about what they profess.

For instance you and most other Christians and theists feel so strongly about ur faith in ur God and except at gun point, u wouldnt want to vote against even for any ransom.

I can say as regards the subject here, the numbers might have just portrayed the true position of acceptability/popularity of atheism.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by thehomer: 4:55pm On Aug 29, 2011
claremont:

@OP: I fail to understand what the point of your post is. If you are trying to say that numerically, Atheism has fewer "believers" as compared to religious adherents, I do agree on that point. My question is; what does numbers have to do with anything? Our argument should be based on clear-cut facts and logic, not on numerical figures.

Hmm the age old question of relevance. Now watch the God believers twist and squirm. grin
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by thehomer: 5:10pm On Aug 29, 2011
InesQor:

One question I have for the Atheists:

Why do Atheists often deem religion as anti-intellectual but philosophy is considered intellectual?

Its basically because religion is based on religious faith.
It was attempted on this thread but I had to leave since it seems some who try to make religion an intellectual activity redefine what it means to carry out an intellectual activity to suit them which of course is a fallacy of special pleading.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 5:12pm On Aug 29, 2011
claremont:

Erroneous? What is more erroneous to you; [b]a belief that God does not exist, OR a belief that God exists but we don't have the proof?

yes a belief that God doesnt exist without convincing us beyond reasonable doubt that in actual fact he doesnt. Whats the essence of u being an atheist then, if u cant educate me beyond what i currently know that God does exist?


claremont:

The mere fact that the majority believe in a theory does NOT translate that theory into a fact. Facts require substantiated evidence, is that too much for religious people to understand and provide?!
I dont think it too much for us to understand if u guys too understand same regarding the position of the theists. As an atheist the only way i can convince u of Gods existence is to take u to where he lives, tell him to call your mobile phone or probably ask him to shake your hands right? No that cant be possible. God is beyond human being and too much for science and mere scientist to conceive with the aim of empirically proving his existence.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 5:18pm On Aug 29, 2011
claremont:

@OP: I fail to understand what the point of your post is. If you are trying to say that numerically, Atheism has fewer "believers" as compared to religious adherents, I do agree on that point. My question is; what does numbers have to do with anything? Our argument should be based on clear-cut facts and logic, not on numerical figures.

the atheistic pandering to "clear-cut facts and logic" . . . key attributes that are missing in the atheist debate here.
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 5:37pm On Aug 29, 2011
claremont:

@OP: I fail to understand what the point of your post is. If you are trying to say that numerically, Atheism has fewer "believers" as compared to religious adherents, I do agree on that point.

yes its one of it. So what do u think might probably be responsible for this? from some of the quotes i have here the below is also a part thereof


Our projections for the future show a sustained decline of the nonreligious. This is due primarily to the resurgence of Buddhism, Christianity, and other religions in China. If this trend continues, agnostics and atheists will be a smaller portion of the world’s population in 2025 than they are today.

I wouldnt want us to loose too much focus away from this thread. the projection says there could be more decline in the numbers of agnostics and atheists will be a smaller portion of the world’s population in 2025 than they are today, which means by then claremont could have abandoned his belief as an atheist prior to that time.(a possibility)

claremont:

My question is; what does numbers have to do with anything? Our argument should be based on clear-cut facts and logic, not on numerical figures.

Our argument should be based on both numbers and logic. If a company/product is loosing patronage or profits its due to numbers right. This could be caused by so many factors which may include faulty foundation or some incredible practices.

On the other hand may i ask u what is the logic behind u being an atheist? U ve said our argument facts. What are the facts supporting atheism which u can use to convince me that im actually having an erroneous belief in the existence of a God?
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by claremont(m): 5:37pm On Aug 29, 2011
toba:

yes a belief that God doesnt exist without convincing us beyond reasonable doubt that in actual fact he doesnt. Whats the essence of u being an atheist then, if u cant educate me beyond what i currently know that God does exist?
I dont think it too much for us to understand if u guys too understand same regarding the position of the theists. As an atheist the only way i can convince u of Gods existence is to take u to where he lives, tell him to call your mobile phone or probably ask him to shake your hands right? No that cant be possible. God is beyond human being and too much for science and mere scientist to conceive with the aim of empirically proving his existence.
Hello, the onus ultimately rests on you who believe in the existence of something to prove to non-believers that it exists. Telling me who doesn't believe in a God to prove his non-existence is totally illogical and fallacious. If you are telling me that you have no objective evidence of the existence of the deity you worship, then why then do you worship a deity that apparently cannot be proven to exist? It makes no sense to a casual onlooker, and it definitely makes no sense to me!
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 5:43pm On Aug 29, 2011
claremont:

Hello, the onus ultimately rests on you who believe in the existence of something to prove to non-believers that it exists. Telling me who doesn't believe in a God to prove his non-existence is totally illogical and fallacious. If you are telling me that you have no objective evidence of the existence of the deity you worship, then why then do you worship a deity that apparently cannot be proven to exist? It makes no sense to a casual onlooker, and it definitely makes no sense to me!

Interesting u werent born into atheism, were u? So what took u away from whatever u believed in and same led u into becoming an atheist?

what are the Objective evidence u want me to give in order for u to be convinced of his existence?
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 5:53pm On Aug 29, 2011
claremont:

Hello, the onus ultimately rests on you who believe in the existence of something to prove to non-believers that it exists. Telling me who doesn't believe in a God to prove his non-existence is totally illogical and fallacious. If you are telling me that you have no objective evidence of the existence of the deity you worship, then why then do you worship a deity that apparently cannot be proven to exist? It makes no sense to a casual onlooker, and it definitely makes no sense to me!

no it doesnt. I cant count the number of times i've heard this same nonsense. You're not forced to believe in God so why does the onus lie on me to prove His existence to you? You claim He doesnt exist, you sau i am deluded for believing in myths and fairytales YET have no proof of your claims but ask ME to go show you proof?
Re: What Percentage Of The World's Population Does The Atheists Constitute? by Nobody: 5:57pm On Aug 29, 2011
^^ claremont wants us to discuss based on facts and logic. I want him to tell us the logic behind atheism. many of them werent born into atheism so the simple question what are/were facts that convinced him to abandon his old belief into becoming an atheist.

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