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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Usenokpevbo: 7:28am On Oct 09, 2022
bigfrancis21:


Thanks for sharing the article. I wanted to see the original article to understand your original statement about: ‘Asaba fast loosing their edo language’. Your earlier statement does not appear induced nor insinuated in Ajayi’s writing that you referenced. Understood, a few words and cultural practices may have been borrowed from the Edo, plus maybe some later Edo migrants may have settled in Asaba, however it remains unlikely that the entire Asaba people originated from Edo.
The Asabans claim relationship with Benin, which they call Idu,and the king, Obba,for whom they still retain great veneration, though they pay him no tribute. Tradition says they migrated from under that sovereignty through causes of war generations ago. The Benin word of salutation "Do" and other words and phrases, are retained, with habits very different from the Ibo, with whom they have now become almagamated

The Igbos migrated to Asaba from that passage, and overwhelm the host (Asabans)the original owners of the land.

This is a comprehension passage and it is meant for us to deduce safely what this man is trying to say.

First He noted there were a people called Asabans, the original owners of the land of course, (2)these people were not Ibo, certainly Edoid, I am supporting this with point 1)He infered they have habits very different from the Ibo(at the time he could still differentiate the original owners of the land from the Igbo with their habits, that is why there was emphasis on very different from the Ibo,even they have now almagamated with them(2,the Benin word of salutation "Do" and other words and phrases, are retained. Omigie, cire80 and Agbontean were not mad after all

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 8:15am On Oct 09, 2022
I am always amazed by the intellectual lazyness of Nigerians and Africans in general.
1) the notion of ethnicity didn't exist before colonization, so @redbonesmith asking for the ethnicity of people who lived before colonization is only exhibiting intellectual lazyness.
2) the British devided people with several subjectif criteria, language ressemblance being one of them, all this was done in the sole interests of the British and their plundering of our lands.
3) Benin kingdom is the same thing as what you guys also call Benin empire, but for some reasons you have come to believe that kingdom is synonymous to village or city or "monolingual community". I guess you guys do not know about a kingdom named Russia or England or France or Ottoman, those were not monolingual nor cities nor villages. Benin kingdom had several villages and cities within it, Benin city is only it's capital city.
4) The British documented the fact Benin kingdom was not monolingual, they talked about areas of Benin which didn't speak Benin language (the language of the Oba), the British also talk about how they pushed foreign workers into those areas and encouraged both locals and foreigners to claim ownership of lands belonging to the Oba (all lands in Benin empire belong to the Oba).
5)The British really hated Benin and tried as much as they could to destroy Benin, even today they still hate Benin.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 8:29am On Oct 09, 2022
Asaba was a part of Benin kingdom, just like all Anioma lands and the actual indegenes of those lands are subjects of the Oba of Benin, in other words, they are Edos. I have precolonial maps to prove my point. People keep talking about migration out of intellectual lazyness, because they don't understand that Benin kingdom is not limited to Benin city which is only it's capital.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 8:35am On Oct 09, 2022
Also the title Obi is just as Edo as the title Enogie.
The ressemblance alone with the title Oba should have rescued you guys from your intellectual lazyness enough to open your eyes.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 8:56am On Oct 09, 2022
The British created concepts alien to your culture such as ethnicity in order to enslave you, but long after the departure of the British, you guys hang on to the whip and flog yourselves out of being too lazy to imagine a world in which you are not slaves.
Many amongst you still use the expression "colonial masters" to refer to the British...
And then we have the fact that most Nigerians do not know what the word history means and confuse it with fairytale and creative writing.
How many African monarchs were invited to Elizabeth's funeral ? Yet you guys lowered the Nigerian stupid flag...
I suspect many so called Biafrans know that they are telling fairytales, but do so only in order to exploit intellectual lazyness amongst Nigerians who refuse to get some education.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 10:02am On Oct 09, 2022
samuk:


Who are we that you are referring to, Biafra? Since when did losers of war become magnanimous? The dream of Biafra was on a life support when you lost the civil war and was finally killed when the south South was created.

I understand your quest for land because just Edo and Delta (two state out of six south south states) on bigger in landmass than the entire five Eastern states. I repeat Edo and Delta are bigger than the entire south east in landmass.

Win or lose Obi can't resurrect Biafra, the northern political and military structure of over 50 years can't be dismantled in 4 years of Obi even if he wins and it's a big if even though I agree that he probably win more votes in Benin city than his Anambra due to the ditribalised nature of Benin.

Biafra cannot be achieved by military means either, that was tried before and failed spectacularly and that was without south south as an entity/region. South East of 1967 that fought the civil war was far bigger than the south east of today. A good proportion of the Nigeria army of 1967 were pro Biafrans, it is not the same today. You can only romance the idea of Biafra in your head, that dream is long gone, dead and buried.

Forget the no victor no vanquish statement by general Gowon, there was a Victor and a vanquish, Biafra lost far more people, territories and mineral resources that never be regained. Your military and political structure pre civil war was also lost.

Guy/s wake up and smell the coffee, Biafra is long gone. Even if Nigeria decides to restructure, no south south state will agree to be part of south east. I don't see people like wike, okowa, etc surrounding their sovereignty to south east. Wike already see most south east governors as his boys and they follow him around like their master.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ANmx2mhOU

We here are Ndiigbo,both those in Igbanke, Delta, Rivers, Akwaibom (Ndoki-Ohaobu), Cross River ( Isobo), Kogi, Benue.
When Nigeria is ripe, it will be restructured and people will naturally aggregate towards their kins and kiths, that's human nature.
And should NIGERIA disintegrate, they will also chose to come with the rest of Igbo in SE,look at what is happening in Ukraine, that's the future price anyone thinking of using political artificial lines to separate brothers will always pay.

Your bitterness and hate is like a water on the Igbo, it can only wash us and make us more sparkling.
Anyone looking at who is greater and stronger than him with evil eyes, is only admiring him.

Let go of your bitterness and pain. Look towards your Edoid brothers who I have pointed out to you, try and unite with them and quit thinking you are ever going to stand any chance against the reunion of Igbo speaking people, you will be disgraced.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 10:05am On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:
I am always amazed by the intellectual lazyness of Nigerians and Africans in general.
1) the notion of ethnicity didn't exist before colonization, so @redbonesmith asking for the ethnicity of people who lived before colonization is only exhibiting intellectual lazyness.
2) the British devided people with several subjectif criteria, language ressemblance being one of them, all this was done in the sole interests of the British and their plundering of our lands.
3) Benin kingdom is the same thing as what you guys also call Benin empire, but for some reasons you have come to believe that kingdom is synonymous to village or city or "monolingual community". I guess you guys do not know about a kingdom named Russia or England or France or Ottoman, those were not monolingual nor cities nor villages. Benin kingdom had several villages and cities within it, Benin city is only it's capital city.
4) The British documented the fact Benin kingdom was not monolingual, they talked about areas of Benin which didn't speak Benin language (the language of the Oba), the British also talk about how they pushed foreign workers into those areas and encouraged both locals and foreigners to claim ownership of lands belonging to the Oba (all lands in Benin empire belong to the Oba).
5)The British really hated Benin and tried as much as they could to destroy Benin, even today they still hate Benin.

Nope.
Benin empire was not same as Bini kingdom.
An empire is never monoethnic.
It's normally heterogeneous in ethnic and even sometimes in racial composition.
The Malian empire, the Songhai empire, the Kanem-Bornu empire, etc.
None of these were monoethnic,same is applicable to Bini.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 10:10am On Oct 09, 2022
Usenokpevbo:
The Asabans claim relationship with Benin, which they call Idu,and the king, Obba,for whom they still retain great veneration, though they pay him no tribute. Tradition says they migrated from under that sovereignty through causes of war generations ago. The Benin word of salutation "Do" and other words and phrases, are retained, with habits very different from the Ibo, with whom they have now become almagamated

The Igbos migrated to Asaba from that passage, and overwhelm the host (Asabans)the original owners of the land.

This is a comprehension passage and it is meant for us to deduce safely what this man is trying to say.

First He noted there were a people called Asabans, the original owners of the land of course, (2)these people were not Ibo, certainly Edoid, I am supporting this with point 1)He infered they have habits very different from the Ibo(at the time he could still differentiate the original owners of the land from the Igbo with their habits, that is why there was emphasis on very different from the Ibo,even they have now almagamated with them(2,the Benin word of salutation "Do" and other words and phrases, are retained. Omigie, cire80 and Agbontean were not mad after all

There is no such thing as Igbo migration to Asaba.
Igbos indigenously inhabited the two sides of River Niger from Agbor to Cross River and regularly criss crossed the area.
Before Nnebisi had a reverse migration from Nteje in Anambra to Asaba, there an indigenous thriving Igbo community led by a man called "Eze-Anyanwu".
Many indigenous Igbo groups in Western Igbo also migrated from their homelands there to cross River Niger and establish new homes in Eastern Igbo. Example are the Ubulus, the Akris/Akarai, Akalaka who left Western Igbo land to found communities in Ogbaru Anambra, Ogba and Ekpeye in Rivers State.

Igbo is deep rooted in antiquity and much older than Bini who are nothing but a new hybrid group made up Nupe, Igbo, Yoruba and indigenous Edoid people like the Ozas and Esans.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 10:19am On Oct 09, 2022
Igboid:


Nope.
Benin empire was not same as Bini kingdom.
An empire is never monoethnic.
It's normally heterogeneous in ethnic and even sometimes in racial composition.
The Malian empire, the Songhai empire, the Kanem-Bornu empire, etc.
None of these were monoethnic,same is applicable to Bini.
Here we go again, you clearly are not smart enough to understand what you are replying to:
1) empire is an other name for kingdom
2) "ethnicity" is a European creation alien to African culture
3) Benin empire is clearly referred to as Benin kingdom in precolonial maps.
4) I wonder if you actually know that the words "kingdom" and "empire" are not African words.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 10:19am On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:
Also the title Obi is just as Edo as the title Enogie.
The ressemblance alone with the title Oba should have rescued you guys from your intellectual lazyness enough to open your eyes.

Nope.
You are the lazy one.
Obi has no resemblance whatsoever to Enogie.
Obi is an Igbo word which is borne by Igbos as name, title for an Eze and for other purposes.

Obi- The court of a man where he entertains visitors.
In Igboland,every man has an Obi in his house usually built away from living quarters which serve as a place he entertains the guess.
It became elevated to the title for Eze in Western Igbo, because the Kings Obi served as a place of gathering for the town to take decisions.

Obi- Also means kindred, clan, inhabitations. In Abia and Imo, it's called "Obu",in Anioma and Anambra and Enugu it's Obi and simply means clan, inhabitation, kindred.
So you hear places in Igboland named with Obi like "Obinagu"( the clan that lived in the deep forest), Obi-Ume ( Ume's clan. Obviously a man called Ume was the founder of this clan), Obi-ama( the clan that lived close to the village centre ( ama), Obiofia( clan that lived in the bush)
etc.

Obi- heart


Etc.

Obi has nothing to do with Edo.
Edoid word for King is Ogie/Ovie/Ojie.
Even Oba you bear now is a borrowed title from Yorubas.
Yoruboid word for King is Oba.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 10:25am On Oct 09, 2022
Talk is cheap, I present evidence:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin%20royaume?rk=107296;4

Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 10:25am On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:

Here we go again, you clearly are not smart enough to understand what you are replying to:
1) empire is an other name for kingdom
2) "ethnicity" is a European creation alien to African culture
3) Benin empire is clearly referred to as Benin kingdom in precolonial maps.
4) I wonder if you actually know that the words "kingdom" and "empire" are not African words.

There is nothing alien about the fact that an Igbanke man in Edo state, speaks same Language with a far away man in Ezza Ebonyi State and could fairly communicate with each other on first meeting.
Whereas an Igbanke man would need an interpreter to understand the Bini man he shares same LGA with.

Ethnicity is not man made,it's natural and bind together by common language and culture.
Nationality is man made.

Bini empire was never same as Bini kingdom.
Bini started off as a Kingdom which is current Bini LGA in Edo state minus Igbanke, and slowly grew into an empire with the acquisition of Portuguese firearms to incorporate neighboring Igbo,Edoid,Yoruboid and even Ijaw groups around them.

When the British came and put an end to Bini empire, Bini shrunk back to a kingdom and the hitherto non Bini(Edoid) tribes they Incorporated became free.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 10:29am On Oct 09, 2022
Igboid:


Nope.
You are the lazy one.
Obi has no resemblance whatsoever to Enogie.
Obi is an Igbo word which is borne by Igbos as name, title for an Eze and for other purposes.


You are now showing signs of reading disabilities:
1) I said OBi and OBa were very similarly looking words, and you came here to disagree by saying OBi is not similar to Enogie...The logic in your talk is very discreet.
2) you are a great example of what I call intellectual lazyness, but also of dogmatism. You just go on ranting and telling unfounded stories and you don't even understand that you are reciting fairytales...
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 10:29am On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:
Talk is cheap, I present evidence:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin%20royaume?rk=107296;4

Your map says nothing about the ethnic composition of the area within the map.
In the old Bini empire,Benin was a nationality ( region) consisting of many ethnic groups including Igboids, Ijaw, Yoruboid and then Edoids) while Bini was an ethnic group consisting of just current Bini ethnic group.
At no point in the existence of Benin empire did groups who were not ethnic Bini spoke Bini as mother tongue.
Know this and know peace.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 10:34am On Oct 09, 2022
Igboid:


There is nothing alien about the fact that an Igbanke man in Edo state, speaks same Language with a far away man in Ezza Ebonyi State and could fairly communicate with each other on first meeting.
Whereas an Igbanke man would need an interpreter to understand the Bini man he shares same LGA with.

Ethnicity is not man made,it's natural and bind together by common language and culture.
Nationality is man made.

Bini empire was never same as Bini kingdom.
Bini started off as a Kingdom which is current Bini LGA in Edo state minus Igbanke, and slowly grew into an empire with the acquisition of Portuguese firearms to incorporate neighboring Igbo,Edoid,Yoruboid and even Ijaw groups around them.

When the British came and put an end to Bini empire, Bini shrunk back to a kingdom and the hitherto non Bini(Edoid) tribes they Incorporated became free.

1) you keep trying to deviate historical debate from history to language debate, therefore you make irrelevant and unproven claims about languages in order to force me to make statements on that and completely derail the debate into stupid territory.
2) you seem incapable of elevating your intellect above your current intellectual lazyness produced level and me continuing to engage with you is futile, a professor does not have to fight fools for them to elevate their intellect, and I am educating you for free for that matter ...
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 10:38am On Oct 09, 2022
Igboid:


Your map says nothing about the ethnic composition of the area within the map.
In the old Bini empire,Benin was a nationality ( region) consisting of many ethnic groups including Igboids, Ijaw, Yoruboid and then Edoids) while Bini was an ethnic group consisting of just current Bini ethnic group.
At no point in the existence of Benin empire did groups who were not ethnic Bini spoke Bini as mother tongue.
Know this and know peace.
Last words to you:
1) as I have said already, the concept of ethnicity is alien to African culture, the British brought it to us in order to devide us with very subjectif criteria. Keeping us devided was the best way to keep us under the British thumb.
2) you keep talking about a period of time which even your grandfathers didn't witness, yet you talk as if you were there...you are a lost cause, you were born dumb and you will leave this world even dumber.

3)https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin%20royaume?rk=107296;4

Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 10:41am On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:


You are now showing signs of reading disabilities:
1) I said OBi and OBa were very similarly looking words, and you came here disagree by saying OBi is not similar to Enogie...The logic in your talk is very discreet.
2) you are a great example of what I call intellectual lazyness, but also of dogmatism. You just go on ranting and telling unfounded stories and you don't even understand that you are reciting fairytales...

Obi and Oba are not similar in anyway.

The "O" in Obi sounds like O in Orange while that of Oba sounds like O in Oracle.
The both words are by no means similar in pronunciation.
They only look similar in English alphabetical representation.
If you write both words using Chinese, Greek or other different writing system/alphabet, you will see how dissimilar they are.

Meanwhile, Igbos have a word that sounds same as "Oba" only that it means "Barn" or more generic "Storage".
So we say "Oba-ji" meaning yam Barn, "Oba-akwukwo" (A place for book storage) meaning Library.
When someone is rich, he can be said to be an Eze-Oba. Meaning someone who has many yam barns. In old Igbo society, yam is the way to guage a man's riches.

This meaning of Oba is same in all Igboland from Igbanke in Edo state to Isobo in Cross River.
Ethnicity is natural, but nationality is man made.
You can't force ethnicity. Stop trying to claim Igbo speaking people outside SE, it can only work when Ignorance is at all time high.
The more those people become educated and enlightened, the more they will see through your lies and manipulations.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 10:44am On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:

Last words to you:
1) as I have said already, the concept of ethnicity is alien to African culture, the British brought it to us in order to devide us with very subjectif criteria. Keeping us devided was the best way to keep us under the British thumb.
2) you keep talking about a period of time which even your grandfather's didn't witness, yet you talk as if you were there...you are a lost cause, you were born dumb and you will leave this world even dumber.

3)https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin%20royaume?rk=107296;4

Nope.
You were never one with Western Igbos.
The union between you and Western Igbos into Bini empire was made possible by Portuguese firearms you acquired, while British firearms brought to an end of that ungodly union.
That's your bitterness.
Move on.
You can't be one with a people you can't converse with except with the use of English language that the same British you begrudge brought to you.
You should be looking towards Urhobo, Isoko, Epie-Etissa, Degema, etc.
They are your real brothers, the Edoid language you all speak proves that.
Move on.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 10:44am On Oct 09, 2022
For the sake of sanity, I can't talk to too much fools nor can I talk too much to a fool. Just imagine a guy trying to teach an illiterate how to read while the illiterate is disagreeing and also trying to teach the litterate person how to read.
There are levels in this game, and both of us belong to different levels, I teach, you learn, put that through your skull.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 10:49am On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:
I am always amazed by the intellectual lazyness of Nigerians and Africans in general.
1) the notion of ethnicity didn't exist before colonization, so @redbonesmith asking for the ethnicity of people who lived before colonization is only exhibiting intellectual lazyness.
2) the British devided people with several subjectif criteria, language ressemblance being one of them, all this was done in the sole interests of the British and their plundering of our lands.
3) Benin kingdom is the same thing as what you guys also call Benin empire, but for some reasons you have come to believe that kingdom is synonymous to village or city or "monolingual community". I guess you guys do not know about a kingdom named Russia or England or France or Ottoman, those were not monolingual nor cities nor villages. Benin kingdom had several villages and cities within it, Benin city is only it's capital city.
4) The British documented the fact Benin kingdom was not monolingual, they talked about areas of Benin which didn't speak Benin language (the language of the Oba), the British also talk about how they pushed foreign workers into those areas and encouraged both locals and foreigners to claim ownership of lands belonging to the Oba (all lands in Benin empire belong to the Oba).
5)The British really hated Benin and tried as much as they could to destroy Benin, even today they still hate Benin.
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin%20royaume?rk=107296;4
I have many other precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom.

Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 10:55am On Oct 09, 2022
I have a precolonial book in which an european visitor to our shores was on his way to Jebu. The European refers to some Benin nobles with the title Obi, which he describes as basically a Duke title.
I let dogmatic and clueless ignoramuses to continue their show of intellectual lazyness.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Ologbo147: 11:30am On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:
For the sake of sanity, I can't talk to too much fools nor can I talk too much to a fool. Just imagine a guy trying to teach an illiterate how to read while the illiterate is disagreeing and also trying to teach the litterate person how to read.
There are levels in this game, and both of us belong to different levels, I teach, you learn, put that through your skull.
There are too much insult in your argument, that guy don run leave you, you nor dae see the way samuk dae argue, nor be your mate? This Oza-nogogo man how you take dae
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 11:54am On Oct 09, 2022
Ologbo147:
There are too much insult in your argument, that guy don run leave you, you nor dae see the way samuk dae argue, nor be your mate? This Oza-nogogo man how you take dae
I say things the way they are without any regards to concepts such as respect or decorum, I call a fool a fool. I don't dash my respect, it needs to be earned.
Samuk is a great guy and he has much more patience than I do. I just can't stand fools, and I can't show respect to fools, I lack the patience.
Also speak English if you want to speak English, stick to one language while making a speach so as not to confuse the people whom you are speaking to.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Ologbo147: 12:08pm On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:

I say things the way they are without any regards to concepts such as respect, I call a fool a fool. I don't dash my respect, it needs to be earned.
Samuk is a great guy and he has much more patience than I do. I just can't stand fools, and I can't show respect to fools, I lack the patience.
Also speak English if you want to speak English, stick to one language while making a speach so as not to confuse the people whom you are speaking to.
I have been reading your argument on Bini history on nairaland, that's how I know the pattern, even with a new moniker I would know it's you.

But don't you think that's why you are being banned, isn't that enough work for you(creating new monikers).

People might not want to engage you, is that not the idea, to make people engage you and certainly get them educated like I was following your argument with the guy,it got to a point, the guy ran off. The Oza-nogogo are the most radical of all Bini communities maybe it's because they are not in Edo state, they are trying to prove to the world that even while they are not in Edo state, they are Binis. I commend you but I just ask you should be more polite because it is somehow tiring reading argument filled with insult. DOMO.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 12:24pm On Oct 09, 2022
Ologbo147:
I have been reading your argument on Bini history on nairaland, that's how I know the pattern, even with a new moniker I would know it's you.

But don't you think that's why you are being banned, isn't that enough work for you(creating new monikers).

People might not want to engage you, is that not the idea, to make people engage you and certainly get them educated like I was following your argument with the guy,it got to a point, the guy ran off. The Oza-nogogo are the most radical of all Bini communities maybe it's because they are not in Edo state, they are trying to prove to the world that even while they are not in Edo state, they are Binis. I commend you but I just ask you should be more polite because it is somehow tiring reading argument filled with insult. DOMO.

1)Who says I get banned ? I open accounts when I want to and always leave (close the account) on a short notice to avoid wasting too much time on social media and to avoid social media addiction.
2) I actually told the person whom you are talking about (igboid) that I didn't want to engage him anymore because he is not sufficiently intelligent nor amenable to intelligence.
3) I do not wish to talk to fools more than I wish to talk to trees or cows, I prefer to keep my sanity.
4) I wish you actually read and understood my comments before replying to them
5) I actually started commenting on nairaland with an aim to educate some people who in return insulted me and stalked me, some of them copied me in some aspects...but I have come to the conclusion that there is no cure for being a fool, if even Galileo couldn't cure the fools of the inquisition, then who am I to cure Nigerian intellectual lazyness and dogmatic extremism ?
I do not wish to engage with fools, but to engage with intellectuals and have intelligent debates based on logic.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Ologbo147: 12:30pm On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:

1)Who says I get banned ? I open accounts when I want to and always leave (close the account) on a short notice to avoid wasting too much time on social media and to avoid social media addiction.
2) I actually told the person you are talking about that I didn't want to engage him anymore because he is not sufficiently intelligent nor amenable to intelligence.
3) I do not wish to talk to fools more than I wish to talk to trees or cows, I prefer to keep my sanity.
4) I wish you actually read and understood my comments before replying to them
5) I actually started commenting on nairaland with an aim to educate some people who in return insulted me and stalked me, some of them copied me in some aspects...but I have come to the conclusion that there is no cure for being a fool, if even Galileo couldn't cure the fools of the inquisition, then who am I to cure Nigerian intellectual lazyness and dogmatic extremism ?
I do not wish to engage with fools, but to engage with intellectuals and have intelligent debates based on logic.
I am sorry on this part I concluded wrongly
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 1:06pm On Oct 09, 2022
Just to add a few things: the Portuguese upon arrival, witnessed a powerful and large Benin Kingdom (empire:= kingdom), that is reflected on the maps which they made and on their notes. Did they sel weapons to Benin Kingdom? Of course ! They also sold weapons to other kingdoms in West Africa and many other European kingdoms sold weapons to other African kingdoms, much like today where African republics are buying weapons from Europeans. Benin Kingdom didn't have a monopoly on buying weapons from Europeans.
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin%20royaume?rk=107296;4

Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 2:00pm On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:
I have a precolonial book in which an european visitor to our shores was on his way to Jebu. The European refers to some Benin nobles with the title Obi, which he describes as basically a Duke title.
I let dogmatic and clueless ignoramuses to continue their show of intellectual lazyness.

Any obi in Bini is of Igbo influence.
The etymology of the word Obi is deep rooted in Igbo antiquity. It has no meaning or place in Bini and indeed Edoid world.

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Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 2:08pm On Oct 09, 2022
Please @igboid do not address me anymore, I have already identified talking you as a waste of time, you are insufficiently intelligent and you resist logic, I do not see what talking to you can actually produce, I might as well talk to a tree or a cow.
1) there is no such thing as west Africa language etymology because their written forms are too recent. And their literature is even more recent.
2) "Igbo antiquity", ok so you are at the phase of just creating new expressions now ?
3) when your arguments are always unproven statements then it might be time for you to question your learning methods and also your intellect and seriously ask yourself if you are not a fool.

Now leave me alone and do your homework.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Nobody: 2:55pm On Oct 09, 2022
To anybody whom is intelligent enough to debate with logic: show me any monarch with Obi as ancestral title (not a guy who changed his title in the colonial or post colonial era to Obi) and I will show you his Benin regalia and Benin sword.
One of my great great grand fathers was an Obi, he had several children, one of them was given Obaseki as a title by Oba Ovonramwen.
Re: My Historical Perspective On Eze Chima And Western Igbos by Igboid: 3:35pm On Oct 09, 2022
Logicisfree2:
Please @igboid do not address me anymore, I have already identified talking you as a waste of time, you are insufficiently intelligent and you resist logic, I do not see what talking to you can actually produce, I might as well talk to a tree or a cow.
1) there is no such thing as west Africa language etymology because their written forms are too recent. And their literature is even more recent.
2) "Igbo antiquity", ok so you are at the phase of just creating new expressions now ?
3) when your arguments are always unproven statements then it might be time for you to question your learning methods and also your intellect and seriously ask yourself if you are not a fool.

Now leave me alone and do your homework.

I can't leave you when you are greedily encroaching into Igbo territory.
Anioma is part and parcel of Igbo conglomerate.
They are big stake holders in Igbo union.
You don't think you can start writing all sort of things about that territory without Eastern Igbos getting involved?

Think again.

Like I said before, keep your Bini eyes off Igbo speaking lands, focus on your Edoid cousins in Edo, Delta, Rivers (Degema, Engenni) and Bayelsa (Epie-Etissa) states.

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