Sehzade:


Sometimes I forget just how ignorant and uneducated nairaland users are. Arabs in Afghanistan??
You people are homeless.

Pele o homeful person, we don see you.
Yes, there are arabs in Afghanistan, so stop crying.
Moreover I made the initial comment cos islam has been adopted as their culture, so u can’t possibly be more islamic here in naija than them.

Wagwanbrethren:
According to some dude who prolly knows better than everyone. No one should interfere in the barbaric act of Taliban even now that Qatar and other Muslim community has condemned the act. How do you justify misogyny and sexism against women?

1) Islamic courts are controlled by men.
2) Woman doesn't have the right to divorce and must seek a court to grant her divorce for specific reasons other then her just wanting to be divorced or dissatisfaction with the marriage while while the man has the right to divorce.
3) Women must obey the husband
4) Women must seek permission to go somewhere from the husband.

The following hadith I believe exists in both Sunni and Shia sources:

A woman came to the Messenger of Allāh صلى الله عليه واله and said: O’ Messenger of Allāh! What is the right of the husband over the wife? He said to her: She obeys him and does not disobey him, does not give anything in charity from her house except with his permission, she does not keep a voluntary fast without his permission and does not prevent him from herself even if she be on hunchback. She does not leave her house but with his permission; if she leaves without his permission, the angels of the heaven, the angels of the earth, the angels of wrath and the angels of mercy damn her until she returns to her house. So she said: O’ Messenger of Allāh! Who among the people has the greatest right on the man? He said: His parents. She said: Who among the people has the greatest right over the woman? He said: Her husband. She said: So do I have a right over him similar to what he has over me? He said: No, not [even] one in a hundred! She said: By the One Who sent you as a Prophet with the truth, no man shall ever own my neck.

These points where taken from religious scriptures of islam, hence proves islam to be sexist. Sounds like slavery to me. Ooh, bud it is!

When you quote specifics as general I can see olodoness in you.
Knowledge in Islām is highly stressed for both gender ,but I an extremist like you will support the Taliban on this because you are looking for a cheap way to attack Islām.
Guess what? This didn't work, try harder loser!

Fuckingmallam45:
I’ve encountered nothing in the Quran or ahadith that forbids the education of females. So Islam, as informed by the Quran and ahadith, does not forbid it. However, Islam is more than just its core texts. It’s also its traditions, history and adherents.

And that’s where Islam, in some countries, interferes with the education of females. In theory, if ahadith contradicts the Quran, the Quran prevails. Yet, in many Islamic countries, the traditional penalty for adultery is being stoned to death — despite the fact that the Quran specifies only whipping. This is because the traditional pre-Islamic penalty was stoning . . . so the penalty was brought back, by popular demand, in direct contradiction of the Quran. The same applies to education of females. In many Islamic countries it’s part of the traditional subjugation of women that existed long before Muhammad(S.A.W).

The plight of women was actually improved, somewhat, by Muhammad(S.A.W). The problem is that it’s improved far more in the free world . . . while the subjugation of women in many Islamic countries remains chained to 1400-year old Islamic texts and even older traditions.

We all know Malala’s incredibly heroic story: shot through the head for advocating female education, recovering, then going on to win the Nobel Peace Prize. At such a young age, she’s the preeminent spokesperson for female education. Some adherents, though not as extreme as Malala’s would-be executioner, are more regressive than others. Some even see no contradiction in shooting a child in the name of their religious traditions. Tradition can be more powerful than scripture and even directly overrule it.

Does Islam forbid the education of women? For far too many Muslims, the traditional (not scriptural) answer is yes.

I know your type, very cunning and flowery the way you bring points, but very clear at the end; only a dullard would not discern your sweet poison.

There's not a single verse of the Qur'ān or an authentic ahādith that contradicts.
None!except you have a misconception in your understanding.

I want to know the names of those scholars that said education is prohibited for women!

kushma:
It should be condemned totally, the world is moving forward and some individuals are trying to pull it back. Thank goodness Nigeria is not a full Muslim country, would have been sharia law here and there oo.

You lovely Qatar and UAE is full Muslim and still far developed than your not full Muslim Nigeria. It's not about Islam, it's about the people, it's not about Christianity, it's about the people.

madridguy:
Islam rightly stress to parents on equal treatment of girls' from the shows of love and affection to financial gift as well. Education of girl's is emphasized in many of Al-Hadiths. The Prophet Muhammad (s.m) said: “Seeking knowledge is compulsory for every Muslim” (Al-Bukhari-9).

Taliban should reverse this barbaric law.

Haaaaaah
Which Taliban?
The ones in Afghanistan, or the ones in Kano?

Gospel2Day:


I judge Islam by the words and actions of its founder Mohammed.
Wars and lusts are the two most prominent things about Islam.
Mohammed took his cousin's wife and had se.x with a 9-year old little girl.
Is that something a true prophet of God should do?
You have been deceived.
Come to Jesus and experience real life and true relationship with God.

According to the old testament your "god" was a million times worse. Then he impregnated a 12 year old little girl and apparently having a son changed him and as such we should disregard every awful repugnant thing he did prior

Why did your "god" impregnate a 12 year old? Jesus, a man who ate shat and bled? Worship that? Allah ya kiyaye.

SugarGirl44:


Pele o homeful person, we don see you.
Yes, there are arabs in Afghanistan, so stop crying.
Moreover I made the initial comment cos islam has been adopted as their culture, so u can’t possibly be more islamic here in naija than them.

You saw muslims with beard and assumed arab when they're mostly baloch, pashtun and maybe punjabi. Just admit you are an ignorant intolerant troll and move. The population of Arabs in afghan is negligible, almost zero. olodo.

I'm from the north and I assure you, most of the people here are more islamic, at least in practise than most of the arabs I've met. Piety is determined by faith and action, not ethnicity.

Gospel2Day:


I have just one question for you:
Did Mohammed lead his followers in wars to spread Islam or not?
Answer that question first before we discuss or debate anything else about your bloodthirsty religion of violence and wars.

Did your "god" order the killing of multitudes of innocent women and children in books like deurotomy, leviticus and exodus or not? Did jesus die screaming crying and bleeding on the cross? We have nothing to discuss. Not only is christianity the most illogical religion on the planet, it's also by far the most primitive and blood thirsty. I cant debate with a brainwashed nitwit.

I hope MURIC will reply on behalf of Nigeria..
This is whr we need the Prof to speak on not only on internal issues..

Plz someone should inform him plZ

RestructureNig4:


This Yoruba fake Muslim using Taqiya to deceive the gullible

am not Muslim mumu

IfnobeGod20:
Please who made you a christain, you can never be one? A christain spewing this rubbish you put there, you can never be one but one of the lost sheep and prodigal christain.
If your brain was wired well, you would have known that no religion respect the right of women or girl-child like Christianity and that is why you see many christian women excelling in all fields of life, any one you can think of.
That some few are misrepresenting their faith cannot be tantamount to class all of them as one. No religion girl that doesn't engage in infidelity, it cross across all religion divides.

this are one of the Christian attribute, only abuse and bullying,even in the church, this is y I stop attending the church, oloriburuku

Sehzade:


According to the old testament your "god" was a million times worse. Then he impregnated a 12 year old little girl and apparently having a son changed him and as such we should disregard every awful repugnant thing he did prior

Why did your "god" impregnate a 12 year old? Jesus, a man who ate shat and bled? Worship that? Allah ya kiyaye.

u got ur 12 year old from Catholic doctrine,Mary was a woman when she gave birth to Jesus. That why Islam and Catholic share in common

Benmob:
u got ur 12 year old from Catholic doctrine,Mary was a woman when she gave birth to Jesus. That why Islam and Catholic share in common

Now it's no longer that's old testament not new, it's become it's catholic not protestant. Aren't Catholics the largest block of Christians in the world? No source catholic, protestant or otherwise lists her as 18 or older, since we're at an impasse, we'll go with what neutral historians say, 12-14 years of age. Your god is clearly a pedophile.

Yet some members of this group Celebrated when this terrorist took over their country from america and call it libration .

Sehzade:


You saw muslims with beard and assume arab when they're mostly baloch, pashtun and maybe punjabi. Just admit you are an ignorant intolerant troll and move. The population of Arabs in afghan is negligible, almost zero. olodo.

I'm from the north and I assure you, most of the people here are more islamic, at least in practise than most of the arabs I've met. Piety is determined by faith and action, not ethnicity.

Sorry I forgot the same level of extremism and terrorism exist among you guys, I was thinking theirs was more than yours in the north.
Thanks for correcting me.

I thought I was responding to normal people from the SW.

But it’s just weird that you guys don’t have anything left of your identity again, but are now clones to the arabs, I can’t understand how u can claim to know arab culture more than the talibans.
No vex.

SugarGirl44:


Sorry I forgot the same level of extremism and terrorism exist among you guys, I was thinking theirs was more than yours in the north.
Thanks for correcting me.

I thought I was responding to normal people from the SW.

But it’s just weird that you guys don’t have anything left of your identity again, but are now clones to the arabs, I can’t understand how u can claim to know arab culture more than the talibans.
No vex.

Even when you've been corrected you still keep refering to taliban as Arab. Indicative of the type of person I'm interacting with. Inflexible hate mongers. These countries refuting taliban, are they not Arab? Are they not Muslims? Of course you will continue to believe what you have been brainwashed to believe.

bennybuhari:
These Taliban are just giving Muslims a bad name. The Islam I know is a religion of peace

I don't know why it sound more like police saying ' Police is your friend

Sehzade:


Did your "god" order the killing of multitudes of innocent women and children in books like deurotomy, leviticus and exodus or not? Did jesus die screaming crying and bleeding on the cross? We have nothing to discuss. Not only is christianity the most illogical religion on the planet, it's also the most primitive and blood thirsty religion. I cant debate with a brainwashed nitwit.

Please when stating a fact , always put reference . we are no longer in that era where people can just state things without reference . I thought Abraham , Isaac , Ismael and Moses are all Muslim according to your people.

joliecouer:


Please when stating a fact , always put reference . we are no longer in that era where people can just state things without reference . I thought Abraham , Isaac , Ismael and Moses are all Muslim according to your people.

Is anything I wrote up there refutable? If we are applying modern ethical perspectives to Muslims then it's only fair we view Christians in the same way. Logic is blind and objective. Point I'm making is, Christians do not have the moral high ground to condemn the moral foundations of another religion.

Sehzade:


Did your "god" order the killing of multitudes of innocent women and children in books like deurotomy, leviticus and exodus or not? Did jesus die screaming crying and bleeding on the cross? We have nothing to discuss. Not only is christianity the most illogical religion on the planet, it's also by far the most primitive and blood thirsty. I cant debate with a brainwashed nitwit.

U can't call Christianity illogical religion when your book can only be validated by the gospel and the Torah.
Mohammed told u guys to confirm from the gospel and the Torah if any Muslim has doubt about his message. He said, 'go to the people of the books who have been reading the scriptures before you to confirm that which has been revealed to me'
If Christianity collapse, Islam disappears because the whole essence of Islam is based on the validity of Christianity and judaism. U are forever stuck with us.

Saying Christianity is blood thirsty is laughable. Islam thrives on violence and force for survival. The day those two are separated from Islam, it dies naturally.
For your information, Christians ended the Atlantic slave trade. Christian missionaries compelled the British parliament to ban slavery and enforce the ban across the African coast in the 19th century.
Meanwhile, Your Muslims Arabs continued the practice of buying black slaves well into the 1960s because your qaran and religion never saw anything wrong in enslaving an unbeliever or black.

SIRTee15:


U can't call Christianity illogical religion when your book can only be validated by the gospel and the Torah.
Mohammed told u guys to confirm from the gospel and the Torah if any Muslim has doubt about his message. He said, 'go to the people of the books who have been reading the scriptures before you to confirm that which has been revealed to me'
If Christianity collapse, Islam disappears because the whole essence of Islam is based on the validity of Christianity and judaism. U are forever stuck with us.

Saying Christianity is blood thirsty is laughable. Islam thrives on violence and force for survival. The day those two are separated from Islam, it dies naturally.
For your information, Christians ended the Atlantic slave trade. Christian missionaries compelled the British parliament to ban slavery and enforce the ban across the African coast in the 19th century.
Meanwhile, Your Muslims Arabs continued the practice of buying black slaves well into the 1960s because your qaran and religion never saw anything wrong in enslaving an unbeliever or black.

How does Christianity validate Islam when a fundamental part of Islam is rejecting the foolishness and madness of trinity, a fundamental part of christianity? I know indoctrination is a thing but how can a rational adult believe in such nonsense? Even then, within yourself sometimes you must think about how ludicrous it is. My Jewish friends and I always have a good laugh about it.

You mean the same Christianity they used to justify slavery in the first place? "If light is good and darkness is evil, white must be good and black evil". You've falling for their filthy tricks. Did Jesus ever condemn slavery? He saw it happening, said nothing. Even issued guidelines about it if I'm not mistaken.

At least slavery in Islam acknowledges the humanity of all beings regardless of colour and is a tool to accomodate prisoners of war. It does not support wanton cruelty, at least not nearly to the degree of the sinister machinations the Europeans executed on your ancestors. Do you want to get into crusades and more interestingly inquisitions? What about priests and their obsession with the buttholes of teenage boys? I have time.

The evils committed in the name of Christianity is long and profoundly disturbing. It will take Islam a Milennium or two to catch up, no matter how sanctimonious you confused lot try to be.

Sehzade:

How does Christianity validate Islam when a fundamental part of Islam is rejecting the foolishness and madness of trinity, a fundamental part of christianity? I know indoctrination is a thing but how can a rational adult believe in such nonsense? Even then, within yourself sometimes you must think about how ludicrous it is. My Jewish friends and I always have a good laugh about it.

You mean the same Christianity they used to justify slavery in the first place? "If light is good and darkness is evil, white must be good and black evil". You've falling for their filthy tricks. Did Jesus ever condemn slavery? He saw it happening, said nothing. Even issued guidelines about it if I'm not mistaken.

At least slavery in Islam acknowledges the humanity of all beings regardless of colour and is a tool to accomodate prisoners of war. It does not support wanton cruelty, at least not nearly to the degree of the sinister machinations the Europeans executed on your ancestors. Do you want to get into crusades and more interestingly inquisitions? What about priets and their obsession with the butthole teenage of boys? I have time.

The evils committed in the name of Christianity is long and profoundly disturbing. It will take Islam a Milennium or two to catch up, no matter how sanctimonious you confused lot try to be.

U Muslims should not be talking about trinity because neither Mohamed nor qaran understood what trinity is all about.
Qaran thinks Allah, Jesus and Mary comprise the trinity. Only God knows where Mohammed got that from.
Qaran also thinks trinity is God divided into three, it called Allah the 3rd part of trinity.
U Muslims should follow the only reasonable advice from your prophet, go and learn about the scripture from the original owners if guys are are confused.
U can't be in Arabia desert and claim knowledge about events thay happened in palestine 500 yrs ago. U guys be sensible for once.
It's like someone in Tanzania educating me about Yoruba culture.

Jesus never owned a slave, treated all men as equals including women and advocates for fairnes amongst all men.
Jesus followers banned slave traders from the church while Paul appealed to Philemon a slave owner to free his slave onesimus. This was during the peak of Roman empire when slavery was rampant and the church had no power to do anything about it.
Now Mohammed was the head of a muslim state he established. He had all the power to put an end to slavery. Instead, he engaged in the practice big time. He bought, owned and sold slaves. The only slaves he freed were women saved by their beauty, he simply converted them to wives.

Christians countries had crusades, conquistador and colonianism. Muslims states had caliphates extending from Iberia, north Africa, central Asia, ottoman and the whole Arabia.
All these conquest are simply political and based on quest for power and greed. Whatever religious connotation attached to it is inconsequential.
But at least Jesus never told anyone to build empire in his name or enslave people for his sake.
That can not be said of Mohammed who directly led 27 wars against 'infidels'. His followers definitely had a role model.

SIRTee15:


U Muslims should not be talking about trinity because neither Mohamed nor qaran understood what trinity is all about.
Qaran thinks Allah, Jesus and Mary comprise the trinity. Only God knows where Mohammed got that from.
Qaran also thinks trinity is God divided into three, it called Allah the 3rd part of trinity.
U Muslims should follow the only reasonable advice from your prophet, go and learn about the scripture from the original owners if guys are are confused.
U can't be in Arabia desert and claim knowledge about events thay happened in palestine 500 yrs ago. U guys be sensible for once.
It's like someone in Tanzania educating me about Yoruba culture.

Jesus never owned a slave, treated all men as equals including women and advocates for fairnes amongst all men.
Jesus followers banned slave traders from the church while Paul appealed to Philemon a slave owner to free his slave onesimus. This was during the peak of Roman empire when slavery was rampant and the church had no power to do anything about it.
Now Mohammed was the head of a muslim state he established. He had all the power to put an end to slavery. Instead, he engaged in the practice big time. He bought, owned and sold slaves. The only slaves he freed were women saved by their beauty, he simply converted them to wives.

Christians countries had crusades, conquistador and colonianism. Muslims states had caliphates extending from Iberia, north Africa, central Asia, ottoman and the whole Arabia.
All these conquest are simply political and based on quest for power and greed. Whatever religious connotation attached to it is inconsequential.
But at least Jesus never told anyone to build empire in his name or enslave people for his sake.
That can not be said of Mohammed who directly led 27 wars against 'infidels'. His followers definitely had a role model.

Of course no one understands trinity because even you christians don't understand. In my experience it's meaning changes from one person to another. Epitome of confusion.

The bible, your holy book makes multiple references to slavery. Jesus himself never condemned slavery even though it was rampant in his time and made several references to it. Muhammad PBUH on the other hand at least condemned the maltreatment of slaves and encouraged the freeing of slaves. Infact, a good portion of early muslims were slaves.

This is what I find particularly galling about you christians. You are shameless in your selectivism. I guess if you see us as blood thirsty then our role model is that old testament god you hypocrites try so shamelessly to deny I guess. You are yet to deny the sordidness of his actions. Your old testament god commits crimes and hides behind Jesus to appeal to his audience. Are you saying the "god" you worshipped made a mistake when he did those things or are you saying Jesus is the one you actually worship? The former is quite embarrassing, blasphemous really and the latter disproves the nature of trinity you try so desperately to hold on to.

Like I said, an incredibly illogical and directionless religion. No wonder the people who fed you that bulljive are abandoning it.

Ephesians 6:5-8 “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ”

Peter 2:18, “Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.”

I've not even gone into the old testament. The worst part is, regardless of what you may think of Islam and Arabs, Arabs never directly enslaved our people or waged war on them. These europeans performed all kinds of despicable acts on your ancestors and yet you so proudly defend their ideologies. You should be ashamed of yourseleves.

Sehzade:

Of course no one understands trinity because even you christians don't understand. In my experience it's meaning changes from one person to another. Epitome of confusion.

so if humans are confused, should your Allah also be confused. How can u set things straight when u dont know what is corrupted. Allah sent Mohammed to condemn the trinity but how do u expect christians to listen when Mohammed told them Allah, Mary and Jesus is the trinity. what heresy and more confusion!!! If u want me to school you about the trinity- I will gladly do so- humbly ask or open another thread and mention me.

Sehzade:
The bible, your holy book makes multiple references to slavery. Jesus himself never condemned slavery even though it was rampant in his time and made several references to it.

Jesus preached a different form of slavery- spiritual slavery. This include slavery to GOD, implication of being slaves to two masters- GOd and mammon, slave to righteousness, the greatest among the desciples being the least and serving then rest, acting as a slave towards others, being slave to Jesus christ. Those are the slavery Jesus Christ spoke about, I dont understand the other types of slavery u attaching to Jesus.

Sehzade:
Muhammad PBUH on the other hand at least condemned the maltreatment of slaves and encouraged the freeing of slaves. Infact, a good portion of early muslims were slaves.

Hahaha, if this is the best muhammed can do regarding slavery, he has failed. Even Paul told masters to treat their slaves fairly and justly reminding them they are slaves unto God. Col 4.1
Mohammed could have done better as the king of the new islamic calipahte. His word is power. All he needed to do was to decree slavery as illegal and it becomes law. At least he told his followers to drink cow urine and they did.
Not only did he own slaves, he actively encourged other muslims to revel in slavery. He told his followers to have sex slaves, he allowed muslims to pi.mp female slaves into prostitution, encouraged his men to rape captured enslaved women. Mohammed demanded captured slaves as booty of war, he had 12 female slaves and 28 male slaves in his life time. and guess what- he only freed 2. Why he needed so many slaves to attend to him is hard to fathom- perhaps he was so wealthy from the loots confiscated from the caravan of Quraysh.
Muhammed raped a captured beautiful Jewish woman same night he killed her father and husband. He didn't even allow her mourn before satisfying his lust on the poor woman.
not only was Mohammed a notorious slaver but a racist, he bought the freedom of a white slave in exchange for his own 2 black slaves- note he didnt free them but pushed them deeper into slavery.
It was obvious Mohammed never practiced what he preached. He kept shouting 'free slaves, free slaves' but he never led by example instead indulged in the evil practice. Comparing such character to jesus is nothing but a big insult to humanity.

Sehzade:
This is what I find particularly galling about you christians. You are shameless in your selectivism. I guess if you see us as blood thirsty then our role model is that old testament god you hypocrites try so shamelessly to deny I guess. You are yet to deny the sordidness of his actions. Your old testament god commits crimes and hides behind Jesus to appeal to his audience. Are you saying the "god" you worshipped made a mistake when he did those things or are you saying Jesus is the one you actually worship? The former is quite embarrassing, blasphemous really and the latter disproves the nature of trinity you try so desperately to hold on to.

We are followers of the gospel as Mohammed rightly told u muslims. If u have problem with the old testament doctrines, discuss it with your jewish friend, I'm sure he will have answers. btw read mark 10.2-10, Jesus explanation in the passage applied to all mosiac laws given to israelites, those laws were never God original intention. Jesus came to restore and fulfil his original ordinace and relationship with man.

Sehzade:
Like I said, an incredibly illogical and directionless religion. No wonder the people who fed you that bulljive are abandoning it.

chrisitanity is a free will, people are free to come and leave. There's no compuslion in chrisitianity.
That can not be said of Islam- a religion that thrives on force, violence and intimidation. We will never know the true situation in islam until apsotasy law is lifted and honor killing within family is eradicated. At least the Iranians have proven what we all suspected- not all living in islamic countries buy into the bullshit of islam is a total way of life narrative. Muslims also thirst for freedom. In Yorubaland, where freedom of religion is deeply entrenched, there was a time islam almost went into extinction becoming an endangered religion.

Sehzade:
Ephesians 6:5-8 “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ”

Peter 2:18, “Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.”

I've not even gone into the old testament. The worst part is, regardless of what you may think of Islam and Arabs, Arabs never directly enslaved our people or waged war on them. These europeans performed all kinds of despicable acts on your ancestors and yet you so proudly defend their ideologies. You should be ashamed of yourseleves.

Everybody will answer for their atrocities be it white or black or arab. so I'm not losing sleep over what europeans did or didnt do- they are already paying anyway, europe is gone.
besides samuel ajayi crowther established chrisitanity in Yorubaland. other european missionaries came before him and failed.

SIRTee15:


so if humans are confused, should your Allah also be confused. How can u set things straight when u dont know what is corrupted. Allah sent Mohammed to condemn the trinity but how do u expect christians to listen when Mohammed told them Allah, Mary and Jesus is the trinity. what heresy and more confusion!!! If u want me to school you about the trinity- I will gladly do so- humbly ask or open another thread and mention me.

You just proved my point. Quranic verses directly reference the situation in the world in those ages. Just because your definition of trinity differs doesn't mean there weren't people who viewed it as such. Those verses were in reference to them. At the end of the day, whichever way you view trinity, the point is, it''s wrong. Blasphemy in the eyes of God and foolishness in the eyes of any logical human being.

Jesus preached a different form of slavery- spiritual slavery. This include slavery to GOD, implication of being slaves to two masters- GOd and mammon, slave to righteousness, the greatest among the desciples being the least and serving then rest, acting as a slave towards others, being slave to Jesus christ. Those are the slavery Jesus Christ spoke about, I dont understand the other types of slavery u attaching to Jesus.

If he juxtaposes spiritual slavery and physical slavery without explicitly condemning the abhorrent nature of physical slavery, its implicitly proves his approval of it.

Hahaha, if this is the best muhammed can do regarding slavery, he has failed. Even Paul told masters to treat their slaves fairly and justly reminding them they are slaves unto God. Col 4.1
Mohammed could have done better as the king of the new islamic calipahte. His word is power. All he needed to do was to decree slavery as illegal and it becomes law. At least he told his followers to drink cow urine and they did.
Not only did he own slaves, he actively encourged other muslims to revel in slavery. He told his followers to have sex slaves, he allowed muslims to pi.mp female slaves into prostitution, encouraged his men to rape captured enslaved women. Mohammed demanded captured slaves as booty of war, he had 12 female slaves and 28 male slaves in his life time. and guess what- he only freed 2. Why he needed so many slaves to attend to him is hard to fathom- perhaps he was so wealthy from the loots confiscated from the caravan of Quraysh.
Muhammed raped a captured beautiful Jewish woman same night he killed her father and husband. He didn't even allow her mourn before satisfying his lust on the poor woman.
not only was Mohammed a notorious slaver but a racist, he bought the freedom of a white slave in exchange for his own 2 black slaves- note he didnt free them but pushed them deeper into slavery.
It was obvious Mohammed never practiced what he preached. He kept shouting 'free slaves, free slaves' but he never led by example instead indulged in the evil practice. Comparing such character to jesus is nothing but a big insult to humanity.

Slavery was a neccessity in those times. There was such a thing as prisoners of war and slavery was the provision that ensured their fair treatment. Everything else you posted is a vile litigious misinterpretation of events subject to misinformation and conjecture.

Never led by example? when he explicitly stated multiple times how freeing of slaves is one of the best deeds a person could do? when he himself freed multiple slaves? Racist? when he countlessly mentioned the equality of all men? How is he supposed to decide the market value of anything let alone slaves, king or not and how would that be fair? Do you know the other details of this transaction apart from race? Age? Status? etc Such a dumb point.

"There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgement. Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats this money" (al-Bukhari and Ibn Majjah).

[b]Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him. Sahih Muslim 1661

Whoever frees a slave, then Allah will free every limb of his body from the Hellfire, even his private parts. Sahih Bukhari 6337

Whoever strikes his slave without limit or slaps him, then the expiation for the sin is to emancipate him. Sahih Muslim

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him.I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire. Sahih Muslim 1659

Feed the hungry, visit the sick, and set the captives free. Sahih Bukhari 5058

“All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves."

We are followers of the gospel as Mohammed rightly told u muslims. If u have problem with the old testament doctrines, discuss it with your jewish friend, I'm sure he will have answers. btw read mark 10.2-10, Jesus explanation in the passage applied to all mosiac laws given to israelites, those laws were never God original intention. Jesus came to restore and fulfil his original ordinace and relationship with man.

Lmao. So prophets don't know their god's intention anymore? What about the parts where he smote civilizations into oblivion? Did he not say "he is a god of war?" This is a blatant obfuscation of obvious actions and aptly encapsulates the lack of accountability and hypocrisy of Christians. I don't have a problem with the old testament, most of it anyway. I don't have a problem with violence born out of necessity or self defence. Muslims are not hypocrites.

chrisitanity is a free will, people are free to come and leave. There's no compuslion in chrisitianity.
That can not be said of Islam- a religion that thrives on force, violence and intimidation. We will never know the true situation in islam until apsotasy law is lifted and honor killing within family is eradicated. At least the Iranians have proven what we all suspected- not all living in islamic countries buy into the bullshit of islam is a total way of life narrative. Muslims also thirst for freedom. In Yorubaland, where freedom of religion is deeply entrenched, there was a time islam almost went into extinction becoming an endangered religion.

I think if Iran disappears from the world map today the rest of the Muslim world won't bat an eye, I think some might even celebrate. You are barking up the wrong tree. Even then, just because they have a difference in opinion about the practise of the religion doesn't mean they're not muslims, most of the protesters still are. As far as yoruba muslims, I don't like making blanket statements but most of the ones i've met I'd hardly call Muslims though there are some very devout Muslims among them. Freedom isn't the cause of their blase attitude towards religion, it's their brand of faith and their tendency for interreligious households. There's a reason why such freedom exists in the first place.

Everybody will answer for their atrocities be it white or black or arab. so I'm not losing sleep over what europeans did or didnt do- they are already paying anyway, europe is gone.
besides samuel ajayi crowther established chrisitanity in Yorubaland. other european missionaries came before him and failed.

This is a bold faced lie. He played a role but the Missionaires laid the foundation of christianity in the South West. How did he become Christian in the first place? Care to spell that out? The depths you will go to revise history is shameful.

Sehzade:

You just proved my point. Quranic verses directly reference the situation in the world in those ages. Just because your definition of trinity differs doesn't mean there weren't people who viewed it as such. Those verses were in reference to them. At the end of the day, whichever way you view trinity, the point is, it''s wrong. Blasphemy in the eyes of God and foolishness in the eyes of any logical human being.

Canonisation of the bible and the council of Nicene occured 300 yrs b4 the birth of Muhammad. There was no confusion about the trinity in the 7th century.
There were Syrian Christians living in Arabia peninsula during Muhammad's time and they had the scriptures. The trinity concept was well established as God, son and holy spirit in Muhammad's time.
Muhammad simply guessed what the trinity was and he guessed wrong. Just like his habit of guessing and muddling up bible stories.

Sehzade:
If he juxtaposes spiritual slavery and physical slavery without explicitly condemning the abhorrent nature of physical slavery, its implicitly proves his approval of it.

I'm not going to waste my time on this, u just creating a red herring argument here.

Sehzade:
slavery was a neccessity in those times. There was such a thing as prisoners of war and slavery was the provision that ensured their fair treatment. Everything else you posted is a vile litigious misinterpretation of events subject to misinformation and conjecture.

Slavery had always been a necessity until it was banned. Which employer will let go of his free labour.
Americans had to fight a civil war to end slavery.
British navy guarded the Atlantic ocean after slavery was banned to enforce the act, they fought multiple coastal kings in West Africa to effect slavery embargo. The British govt had to agree to a form of compensation before slave owners could release their slaves in the Caribbean. That payment lasted 150 yrs and only finished in 2005.
Freeing of slaves was never going to be an easy task, but some people felt it was immoral and had the gut to do something about it.

Sehzade:

Never led by example? when he explicitly stated multiple times how freeing of slaves is one of the best deeds a person could do? when he himself freed multiple slaves? Racist? when he countlessly mentioned the equality of all men? How is he supposed to decide the market value of anything let alone slaves, king or not and how would that be fair? Do you know the other details of this transaction apart from race? Age? Status? etc Such a dumb point.

To Muslims everything is dumb whenever Muhammad's action is called out. It doesn't matter the gravity of his atrocious act. Whether having intercourse with a 9 yr old girl OR offering 6 female slaves for one Jewish woman in order to satisfy his sexual lust OR getting married to his son's wife. Any criticism of Muhammad is dumb because he's a perfect man.
Thank God some of his followers with conscience and better moral fibre stood up to him even during his time and called out Muhammad's decision to marry his son's wife. Rather than Muhammed retracing his steps, he came out and said Allah told him adoption is illegal, thereby creating a loophole to cement the immoral union.
Amazingly, Allah never told him slavery was illegal but was focused on legalising Muhammad's sexual randiness.

Sehzade:


"There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgement. Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats this money" (al-Bukhari and Ibn Majjah).

[b]Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him. Sahih Muslim 1661

Whoever frees a slave, then Allah will free every limb of his body from the Hellfire, even his private parts. Sahih Bukhari 6337

Whoever strikes his slave without limit or slaps him, then the expiation for the sin is to emancipate him. Sahih Muslim

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him.I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire. Sahih Muslim 1659

Feed the hungry, visit the sick, and set the captives free. Sahih Bukhari 5058

“All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves."

Words are cheap, action is louder and real. Muhammad should have taken that bold step and abolish slavery. If Abraham Lincoln and William Wilberforce could do it, what stopped Muhammad with a divine mandate?
Muslims are known for saying one thing and doing the opposite.
You guys say there's no compulsion in Islam, Islam is a religion of peace, women are to be protected in islam. Unfortunately reality proved otherwise, women who should be protected get killed for preaching in front of mosques. Therefore, not surprised slavery was rampant in Islam despite its condemnation in the Koran.

Sehzade:


Lmao. So prophets don't know their god's intention anymore? What about the parts where he smote civilizations into oblivion? Did he not say "he is a god of war?" This is a blatant obfuscation of obvious actions and aptly encapsulates the lack of accountability and hypocrisy of Christians. I don't have a problem with the old testament, most of it anyway. I don't have a problem with violence born out of necessity or self defence. Muslims are not hypocrites.

When it comes to violence, Muslims can never be hypocrites. That's something u do very well, even to the point of death- I have to give it to u guys.
But u will do well not to add old testament scripture as a validation for wanton murder and violence.
The ordinances and laws in the old testament scriptures were for a particular ethnic groups called Israelites to follow. It's not for u and I, what's for us is the new testament. Pls be guided.

Sehzade:
I think if Iran disappears from the world map today the rest of the Muslim world won't bat an eye, I think some might even celebrate. You are barking up the wrong tree. Even then, just because they have a difference in opinion about the practise of the religion doesn't mean they're not muslims, most of the protesters still are. As far as yoruba muslims, I don't like making blanket statements but most of the ones i've met I'd hardly call Muslims though there are some very devout Muslims among them. Freedom isn't the cause of their blase attitude towards religion, it's their brand of faith and their tendency for interreligious households. There's a reason why such freedom exists in the first place.

Actually this is the reason I decided to reply this post, even though it's quite delayed. I initially didn't read above or didn't conceptualise it until now.
When I was in Nigeria, I used to think my Yoruba Muslim brothers were docile and quite lame when compared to their Northern counterparts.
But when I traveled out and met other black Muslims from other African nations, I concluded u guys up north are nothing but blood thirsty evil creatures committing atrocities under the guise of Islam.
I've met Muslims from Sierra Leone, Senegal, Gambia, Niger, Mali, Guinea, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia. They all put humanity first, they relate with Christians on a personal level irrespective of religious affiliation. Some of these countries are Muslim majority and Christian minority. I ask how they get along and the story is all the same, they live side by side in peace and harmony. You would never know who's is Muslim or Christian, they don't persecute or carry out genocidal acts against their Christians minority citizens. They respect their faith and make allowance for them as regards their believe. Things like burning of churches or killing random Christians because someone somewhere drew a cartoon of muhammad is unheard of.
They read news of what u Muslims do in northern Nigeria and wonder what has come into u people. They all conclude whatever it is is not islam.
That Yoruba Muslims decide to reject the evil Wahhabism ideology that has turned your region into ruin, a burden and parasitic in modern Nigeria doesn't make them less devout Muslims. It only shows they believe humanity trumps every other differences.
The truth is different religions will never agree on theological doctrines but any religion that undermines humanity isn't fit for the 21st century. Northern Muslims should learn from other African Muslims including Yoruba Muslims and stop the massacre and genocide of Christians in norther Nigeria. Enough is enough

Sehzade:
This is a bold faced lie. He played a role but the Missionaires laid the foundation of christianity in the South West. How did he become Christian in the first place? Care to spell that out? The depths you will go to revise history is shameful.

Another waste of time, if u know of any missionary who established a successful mission in Yoruba prior to Ajayi crowther, send me the link.

TALIBAN MEN ARE WOMEN WRAPPERS AND REALLY SILLY

SIRTee15:

Canonisation of the bible and the council of Nicene occured 300 yrs b4 the birth of Muhammad. There was no confusion about the trinity in the 7th century.
There were Syrian Christians living in Arabia peninsula during Muhammad's time and they had the scriptures. The trinity concept was well established as God, son and holy spirit in Muhammad's time.
Muhammad simply guessed what the trinity was and he guessed wrong. Just like his habit of guessing and muddling up bible stories.

I don't know how I am just seeing this but this is one of the most pathetic and desperate rebuttals I have ever seen.

Canonization does not mean differences in interpretation doesn't exist. The schism of the christian faith began shortly after the death of Jesus. People still have different interpretations of trinity today and each interpretation that I've heard more retarded than the precursor. Like I said, Quranic verses address specific creeds, individuals and events and as such must be in response to a belief some held in Arabia in those days whether you consider it conventional or not.

I'm not going to waste my time on this, u just creating a red herring argument here.

In other words I don't have a proper response so I will dismiss the whole argument. Furthermore, I don't think you know what a red herring is.

Slavery had always been a necessity until it was banned. Which employer will let go of his free labour.
Americans had to fight a civil war to end slavery.
British navy guarded the Atlantic ocean after slavery was banned to enforce the act, they fought multiple coastal kings in West Africa to effect slavery embargo. The British govt had to agree to a form of compensation before slave owners could release their slaves in the Caribbean. That payment lasted 150 yrs and only finished in 2005.
Freeing of slaves was never going to be an easy task, but some people felt it was immoral and had the gut to do something about it.

Same Lincoln still took prisoners of war did he not? Prisoners of war still exist do they not? Slavery in Islam is more humane than the terms prisoners of war are subjected to today and was a benevolent and practical way of handling such people in an era where strife was rife.

To Muslims everything is dumb whenever Muhammad's action is called out. It doesn't matter the gravity of his atrocious act. Whether having intercourse with a 9 yr old girl OR offering 6 female slaves for one Jewish woman in order to satisfy his sexual lust OR getting married to his son's wife. Any criticism of Muhammad is dumb because he's a perfect man.
Thank God some of his followers with conscience and better moral fibre stood up to him even during his time and called out Muhammad's decision to marry his son's wife. Rather than Muhammed retracing his steps, he came out and said Allah told him adoption is illegal, thereby creating a loophole to cement the immoral union.
Amazingly, Allah never told him slavery was illegal but was focused on legalising Muhammad's sexual randiness.

Lol Now you're just regurgitating the same rubbish you dolts keep clinging to even when they've been refuted multiple times here. Like I said, by your definition of pedophilia your god was the biggest pedophile of all. I have read the bible, sometimes it reads more like an erotic novel than a religious script yet we have mongs like you willing to defend such lewdness and lechery.

Words are cheap, action is louder and real. Muhammad should have taken that bold step and abolish slavery. If Abraham Lincoln and William Wilberforce could do it, what stopped Muhammad with a divine mandate?
Muslims are known for saying one thing and doing the opposite.
You guys say there's no compulsion in Islam, Islam is a religion of peace, women are to be protected in islam. Unfortunately reality proved otherwise, women who should be protected get killed for preaching in front of mosques. Therefore, not surprised slavery was rampant in Islam despite its condemnation in the Koran.

Like I said, Islam deals with practicality not idealistic notions not applicable to the volatile nature of human society. A christian doesn't get to tell me about war of female rights. Whatever flaws muslims may have in their affairs, Islam is perfect in it's assessment of these issues and we've seen so many muslim societies today thriving without losing their moral compass. Can christians say the same with how promiscous your women are and how directionless your societies are?

When it comes to violence, Muslims can never be hypocrites. That's something u do very well, even to the point of death- I have to give it to u guys.
But u will do well not to add old testament scripture as a validation for wanton murder and violence.
The ordinances and laws in the old testament scriptures were for a particular ethnic groups called Israelites to follow. It's not for u and I, what's for us is the new testament. Pls be guided.

Is the old testament god different from the new testament god?? If these acts of violence were so vile and repugnant why would he ever at any point authorize them for any reason? Christians have truly mastered hypocrisy. Truly impressive how you put on this shameless sanctimonious act when anyone with half a brain cell can see how ridiculous your assertions are.

Actually this is the reason I decided to reply this post, even though it's quite delayed. I initially didn't read above or didn't conceptualise it until now.
When I was in Nigeria, I used to think my Yoruba Muslim brothers were docile and quite lame when compared to their Northern counterparts.
But when I traveled out and met other black Muslims from other African nations, I concluded u guys up north are nothing but blood thirsty evil creatures committing atrocities under the guise of Islam.
I've met Muslims from Sierra Leone, Senegal, Gambia, Niger, Mali, Guinea, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia. They all put humanity first, they relate with Christians on a personal level irrespective of religious affiliation. Some of these countries are Muslim majority and Christian minority. I ask how they get along and the story is all the same, they live side by side in peace and harmony. You would never know who's is Muslim or Christian, they don't persecute or carry out genocidal acts against their Christians minority citizens. They respect their faith and make allowance for them as regards their believe. Things like burning of churches or killing random Christians because someone somewhere drew a cartoon of muhammad is unheard of.
They read news of what u Muslims do in northern Nigeria and wonder what has come into u people. They all conclude whatever it is is not islam.
That Yoruba Muslims decide to reject the evil Wahhabism ideology that has turned your region into ruin, a burden and parasitic in modern Nigeria doesn't make them less devout Muslims. It only shows they believe humanity trumps every other differences.
The truth is different religions will never agree on theological doctrines but any religion that undermines humanity isn't fit for the 21st century. Northern Muslims should learn from other African Muslims including Yoruba Muslims and stop the massacre and genocide of Christians in norther Nigeria. Enough is enough

If you truly believe religious crises doesn't exist in these places you're an even bigger nimrod than I initially suspected. I too have met more refined christians outside of the country and I know these are the exceptions not the norm. What exactly do you know about the religious feuds in the North? Because we don't go online to whine about injustice? We rather take issues into our hands? I know countless muslim friends who've lost lives to wanton acts of violence by christians here. Like I said, just because we're not cry babies doesn't mean we don't face injustices too.

You lost me at Muslims not seeing differences between themselves and Christians. You describe Muslims who don't know their faiths. Islam is total submission to the will of the one true God. We are not like you and we're not supposed to be like infidels. Any muslim who doesn't understand this or compromises the tenets of his faith to conform is a pathetic excuse for a Muslim. I support freedom of religion and I do extremist groups are more of a burden on the Muslim community than yours but make no mistake that doesn't mean I have to be like you. I don't deny ignorance breeds malice in the practice of some northern muslims. Like I said, we still have countries like the gulf countries, Malaysia etc who haven't compromised their faith like your kin and are still well developed. Religious ignorance cuts both ways, there's the extremists and then there are those who are whether you choose to admit it or not, lesser Muslims. Because at the end of the day these people you speak of don't even know their religion. There's a viral video about a South western congregation that I still can't figure out whether it's a church or a mosque. Shirk is the greatest sin one can commit so it's hard to consider such heretics adherents of the same faith I follow.

Another waste of time, if u know of any missionary who established a successful mission in Yoruba prior to Ajayi crowther, send me the link.

I asked a question first, tell me how he became a christian in the first place. He was literally a slave and you're trying to pretend Christianity was some epiphany he had. That's what they do best, use your own people to get you to buy into their foolishness. Like I said you lot are shameless and confused.