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Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by dayokanu(m): 1:36pm On Sep 18, 2011
After OBJs visit the host has been killed.

Now tell me what positive is in this OBJ visit?
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Nobody: 1:42pm On Sep 18, 2011
OAM4J:

[size=13pt]. . . his visit insensitive, an ego trip — Soyinka[/size]

Nobel Laureate, Prof. Wole Soyinka, has described former President Olusegun Obasanjo’s Maiduguri visit to the family of Mohammed Yusuf, the slain leader of the fundamentalist Boko Haram sect, as one of the ‘crassest, most insensitive, self ingratiating acts ever recorded in the history of any nation in recent memory.’


Soyinka in a press statement on Saturday did not hide his disgust at the ex-President’s action and said the timing of the visit was wrong because the nation and the international community was still mourning victims of the August 26 suicide bombing attack of the United Nations office in Abuja — an attack the Boko Haram claimed responsibility for.


The playwright said this was not a time for anyone to play statesman because the country was yet to come to terms with the UN office bombing and the survivors of the attack were still in trauma.


He said Obasanjo’s visit had turned the UN commemoration event to a charade and an empty husk without the germ of authentic fellow feeling.


He said, “Timing is a crucial part of leadership intelligence and sensibility. It is in fact a bedrock formation of military training. Was it an accident of timing, or was it deliberate, that this ex-militrician president undertook his visit at the time when the major part of the nation attempted to come together in communion with the souls of the departed, and in sympathy with the trauma of the survivors?


“It is known as an ego trip. You do not play ‘statesman’ over the mangled bodies of victims, least of all where their violators insist on the righteousness of their very conduct.”


Soyinka said the visit to the late Yusuf’s family was unnecessary because the Boko Haram sect had not expressed remorse or conceded to error; rather[b] the sect had threatened more bomb attacks after the UN incident.
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He said, “It goes beyond politics and involves sheer decency, sensitivity and the capacity for just compassion. It is gross, indecent, worse than pornographic, an obsequious consecration of violence, a groveling, simpering inauguration of a culture of submissiveness in the face of aggravation; all masquerading as statesman conscience and pietistic justifications such as - Blessed are the Peacemakers.


“Peacemaking? Very well. But do you select a day on which the survivors gather to reconcile with their losses and gather strength for the future? What has happened here is a pitiable spectacle that covers a nation in shame; and let there be no mistake, it is anything but passive.


“It is an act of aggression, a slap in the face of the bereaved and wounded, including the permanently disfigured. It desecrates the memory of the fallen and casts doubts on any claim to humanism and capacity for compassion of the Nigerian people.”

http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201109183143720
So soyinka wants us to siddon they look while boko haram carry on with their bombings cuz I still don't know why he's thinking peaceful approach won't solve the boko crisis.Looking through his grammar,there is no where he offered answer to the problem of boko haram but he's tried hard to pull down someone that initiated something.It takes more down grammar or luck to rule a country but if diplomacy will bring the necessary peace,giving it a try isn't a bad idea.
Soyinka should offer reasonable solutions to the problem on ground not unreasonable criticism.this is not a time to gain from another man's attempt at peace-making.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Kobojunkie: 1:45pm On Sep 18, 2011
oyb:

maybe if were had family and friends in the un bomblast he would understand what soyinka is talking about. seriously, there should be some sort of age/intelligence test before people have access to this section

Aye! smiley
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by mitofag: 2:13pm On Sep 18, 2011
oyb:

its sad - all these empty headed teeny boppers running their mouths and making it clear to us that their generation is already lost

which way forward nigeria? sad

wole soyinka has shed more of his blood for this country than most of you empty headed louts know.

he was imprisoned by different regimes for speaking his mind.


He was imprisoned once. Get your facts straight.

When yawa is about to gas, Soyinka is always the first to run to obodo-London and Obodo-America.

Lets be frank, You cannot compare Soyinka with OBJ. OBJ was willing to die for Nigeria. I respect that. Soyinka did everything he did for his personal recognition and self-aggrandizement. It was never for the greater good.

Anyway, you need to watch your mouth. It doesnt reflect good on you when you allow your emotions to control what you say.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Nobody: 2:19pm On Sep 18, 2011
mitofag:


He was imprisoned once. Get your facts straight.

When yawa is about to gas, Soyinka is always the first to run to obodo-London and Obodo-America.

Lets be frank, You cannot compare Soyinka with OBJ. OBJ was willing to die for Nigeria. I respect that. Soyinka did everything he did for his personal recognition and self-aggrandizement. It was never for the greater good.


Anyway, you need to watch your mouth. It doesnt reflect good on you when you allow your emotions to control what you say.
What has he really done for Nigeria ? We know people that really fight military rule in nigeria not those that turned around to head FRSC.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by mitofag: 2:23pm On Sep 18, 2011
~Bluetooth:

So soyinka wants us to siddon they look while boko haram carry on with their bombings cuz I still don't know why he's thinking peaceful approach won't solve the boko crisis.Looking through his grammar,there is no where he offered answer to the problem of boko haram but he's tried hard to pull down someone that initiated something.It takes more down grammar or luck to rule a country but if diplomacy will bring the necessary peace,giving it a try isn't a bad idea.
Soyinka should offer reasonable solutions to the problem on ground not unreasonable criticism.this is not a time to gain from another man's attempt at peace-making.


Thank you jare.

It doesnt matter what you do, the most important thing is the intention. When you are bleeding, the first thing is to stop further blood loss, Anyhow possible.

OBJ has made a great effort in that.  he has used his political influence in trying to stop further blood shed from what is obviously politically orchestrated terroristic acts.

Soyinka should mind his business, and let people with practical ideas to do what is necessary to save  further loss of lives.


When he was at FRSC, he  failed woefully. Ordinary FRSC, Soyinka could not manage, and he is here criticizing a two-time president who was willing and is still willing to   die so the rest of us may live.

Lastly: It was Benjamin Franklin who said, "any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Fools like Soyinka only criticize and condemn in order to try to feel superior to the one they're condemning. Not only does it take character to be understanding and forgiving, but it also takes the desire and will to do so. It's a kind of enlightenment when one comes to these realizations.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by 1luvkipsus: 2:33pm On Sep 18, 2011
I ve alwaz asked wot parameters were used in givin nobel prize 2 dis soyinka of a man.i ve nva seen a man as nonsensical and disgustin as dis man.i'm just wonderin wot he attempts 2 achieve dis time around by dis stupid statement.sad enof for him,1000 wole soyinkas re no match for half obj.anyway,dis is how atheists reason;upside down!
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Toyz(m): 2:38pm On Sep 18, 2011
In as much as I respect Soyinka and his view & I sure utterly despise OBJ from time immemorial, bt what has Mr.Soyinka progressively & concretely done apart from criticise (ism).
He should in his God given wisdom do more than talk.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by meine: 2:41pm On Sep 18, 2011
I am so happy people are beginning to see the good in OBJ's visit , soyinka should stay in uk or whereva and begin to spew rubbish.

Why cant he head to abuja to tell GEJ what to do? Since he prefers military solution to this problem why cant he lead the task force?

Nigerians plssssssss wake up, why do you think the Sultan, IBB, BUHARI and other Northern leaders havent condemned or try to calm this Boko Haram group?

There is a handwriting on the wall and i pray it wont be late before you see it.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by ideylaff: 2:41pm On Sep 18, 2011
Wole Soyinka is back again  with his bullshit, na when money don dey finish for em hand e dey come out to spit rubbish. This are people praying for disaster in nigeria everyday. Hey Mr Wole thanks since you been splitting bullshit nothing has changed. Your words are meaningless for now.

@ Hoodrat , na wa ooo Is this your level of thinking,  has Soyinka turned up @ your doorstep to ask you for money,  Uncle Wole is very comfortable in every respect,  he does not need too much money like the
most Nigerians steal,  You sure don't know him. He lives a very simple and non complex life,

Don't spit what you don't know.  You think Uncle wole is like OBJ doing power show all over Nigeria @ age close to 80,

Is that how Mandela interferes in SA Politics  agbaya lasan lasan,  angry
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Nobody: 2:45pm On Sep 18, 2011
Toyz:

In as much as I respect Soyinka and his view & I sure utterly despise OBJ from time immemorial, bt what has Mr.Soyinka progressively & concretely done apart from criticise (ism).
He should in his God given wisdom do more than talk.
mitofag:


Thank you jare.

It doesnt matter what you do, the most important thing is the intention. When you are bleeding, the first thing is to stop further blood loss, Anyhow possible.

OBJ has made a great effort in that.  he has used his political influence in trying to stop further blood shed from what is obviously  politically orchestrated terroristic acts.

Soyinka should mind his business, and let people with practical ideas to do what is necessary to save  further loss of lives.


When he was at FRSC, he  failed woefully. Ordinary FRSC, Soyinka could not manage, and he is here criticizing a two-time president who was willing  and is still willing to   die so the rest of us may live.

Lastly: It was Benjamin Franklin who said, "any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Fools like Soyinka only criticize and condemn in order to try to feel superior to the one they're condemning. Not only does it take character to be understanding and forgiving, but it also takes the desire and will to do so. It's a kind of enlightenment when one comes to these realizations.


I care less about his criticism but what we need now is solution to the problems on ground and not useless criticism and if prof can't offer any solution,i suggest he just siddon dey look.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by basadenet: 4:34pm On Sep 18, 2011
Why is that Prof. Soyinka never see any good thing in what OBJ does? Is Prof. Soyinka the most perfect man on earth? He should learn to be tolerable of each other. What Obj has done is what is expected from a good leader.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Nobody: 4:35pm On Sep 18, 2011
Uncle wole soyinka, this is not literature, this is politics and war. Who among d elders of d north, ibb, emirs, ciroma, sultan would dare go meet boko haram at their headquarters. Even elders here in d south dare not. Agreed obj is evil but he went for peace, and he should be praised for this, unlike those who sit down and hold press conferences criticizing in d comfort of their enclave. Its unfortunate dis man was murdered at dis period, but it goes to show that what we have now is anoda boko haram being used for political self interest. So govt should fish out their sponsors, not their millitia men.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by BigB11(m): 4:41pm On Sep 18, 2011
If Iyabo Obasanjo was among the victims of Boko Haram, I'm 1000000% sure that OBJ wouldn't be fooling himself the way he has been doing for the past few days.
THIS MAN IS KNOWN NOT TO FORGIVE A SOUL.

Many may not understand where Wole Soyinka is coming from, but I'm confident that very soon it will become crystal clear to all.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by BigB11(m): 4:47pm On Sep 18, 2011
Obasanjo's visit is an indication of selfishness, weakness, laziness from the top to the bottom and lack of necessary skills and wisdom to perform effectively and efficiently .
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Beaf: 4:56pm On Sep 18, 2011
I posted this on another thread. Its funny the way people base their arguments on illogical statements and theories they pluck from thin air. We keep hearing that no one talks to terrorists. . . I'm sorry, but thats just bloody ignorant tosh.


Where do you guy's get all these "laws of talking to terrorists" from?
Here is pictorial proof that govts can talk to terrorists and that such talks do indeed yield great results.

Tony Blair (British Prime Minister) and Gerry Adams of the IRA (terrorist group).
The IRA did much more damage than boko haram can ever muster. cool

Imagine the opening tense scene in a crime thriller tailor-made for direction by an Alfred Hitchcock or Stanley Kubrick in which a British Prime Minister and his chief aide are on their way to a secret rendezvous to meet directly with the IRA Army Council, all eight of whom will be clad in masks.

This clandestine meeting is set to take place in rugged rural countryside somewhere close to the Fermanagh-Donegal border. Uncomfortably seated in the back of a black Hackney taxi are Tony Blair and his trusted confidante, Jonathan Powell, both crouching incognito behind newspapers

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/everyone-was-nervous-gerry-adams-hands-were-visibly-shaking-1324808.html

[img]http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00175/gerrytony_175992t.jpg[/img]



Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Orikinla(m): 5:20pm On Sep 18, 2011

Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Kobojunkie: 5:30pm On Sep 18, 2011
Let's ignore the fact that the visit came only days after more innocent lives have been taken by this group . . . . Obasanjo himself has been recorded to have DENIED any allegations that he was there to NEGOTIATE on behalf of Nigeria, a move I suspect is to manage the supposed damage caused by the trip.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by goggs(m): 5:33pm On Sep 18, 2011
I always believe that peace makers of whatever make should be encouraged. We may not like OBJ but his latest peace move is in order. It is true that people are mourning the death of their loved ones  but would Wole Soyinka had spoken if those killed were not UN staff? Who says there cant be justice after peace.

How many people know that OBJ is more broadly respected in the North than IBB, Gusau, atiku? he still has the clout to bring both sides to the table and thats a good thing.

I am afraid, this time, Kongi, you are wrong
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Kobojunkie: 5:42pm On Sep 18, 2011
goggs:

I always believe that peace makers of whatever make should be encouraged. [size=13pt]We may not like OBJ but his latest peace move is in order. It is true that people are mourning the death of their loved ones  but would Wole Soyinka had spoken if those killed were not UN staff? [/size]Who says there cant be justice after peace.

What latest peace move? the man said he was only there to learn of Boko Haram, and you already deemed it a PEACE MOVE?  undecided undecided undecided undecided

Broadly respected by whom? Sycophants or people outside of the Sycophantic circles?
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by panmun: 6:07pm On Sep 18, 2011
I dont know according to soyinka if the victims of the UN bomb blast will be more important than the would be victim of the coming bomb blasts, he (soyinka) has not thought of a way to help issues why make noise over what someone else is doing ; be it that eh (obasanjo) fails or succeeds, `
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Nobody: 6:13pm On Sep 18, 2011
Beaf:

I posted this on another thread. Its funny the way people base their arguments on illogical statements and theories they pluck from thin air. We keep hearing that no one talks to terrorists. . . I'm sorry, but thats just bloody ignorant tosh.


Where do you guy's get all these "laws of talking to terrorists" from?
Here is pictorial proof that govts can talk to terrorists and that such talks do indeed yield great results.

Tony Blair (British Prime Minister) and Gerry Adams of the IRA (terrorist group).
The IRA did much more damage than boko haram can ever muster. cool

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/everyone-was-nervous-gerry-adams-hands-were-visibly-shaking-1324808.html

[img]http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00175/gerrytony_175992t.jpg[/img]




Don't mind mo-rons here who are only interested in seeing Nigeria turned into afghanistan or iraq.the whole country is about to turn upside and people are  saying  ''kill them'' without giving peace a chance.What has the fire brigade approach to iraq and afghanistan crisis brought if not more and more crises ? Abeg,even if buhari or ibb decide to initiate peace process to end this crisis,such is welcomed.we don't need too much grammars !
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by kukulaja: 6:17pm On Sep 18, 2011
prof, obj made a wrong move at the wrong time, but to err is human,, and prof. this english is to much for baba iyabo, i plead on his behalf to be a little soft on him,, make another statement and come down to his pedestal level,, then wait to hear his bombshell, obj i trust.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by geogeo01: 6:18pm On Sep 18, 2011
Uncle soyinka, I believe boko haram will wait for you to finish mourning before de strike again. Uncle please realise that this men are in for business and the earlier they r tamed irrespective of the measures or approach applied, the better for us all, or U will keep adding more time to your mourning state before you start taking action which may never come because U will be engrossed in mourning.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Kobojunkie: 6:19pm On Sep 18, 2011
panmun:

I dont know according to soyinka if the victims of the UN bomb blast will be more important than the would be victim of the coming bomb blasts, he (soyinka) has not thought of a way to help issues why make noise over what someone else is doing ; be it that eh (obasanjo)  fails or succeeds, `

Questions for you

a) Soyinka is not an elected official, so how is he supposed to HELP SOLVE the Boko Haram issue? Is he related to Boko Haram in anyway?

b) We pooled together our security resources and handed that power over to those whom we elected into government, so why should a Civilian like Soyinka be REQUIRED by you, and some others on here, to help solve the security issue still?

c) Are you suggesting in some way that Obasanjo, going on a PRIVATE pilgrimage out to visit Boko Haram should not be considered a SOLUTION or an attempt to solve the problem, even when the man tells you clearly that he was there for his PERSONAL need to 'learn'?  undecided undecided undecided undecided

Am I missing something here??
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by engrj(m): 6:28pm On Sep 18, 2011
What OBJ did was still ok but the probs  now is we dont even know who is behind the terrorism in Nigeria, all this attack may not be Boko Haram cus someone has just be killed in their member, May be de  sect behind de killing, may have don the killing so that Boko Haram will not be de one to negotiate with. na so me see am ohhh smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley my people peace!
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Kobojunkie: 6:34pm On Sep 18, 2011
The international media has been on to this for weeks now. I remember seeing watching a curious piece on Aljazeera on bombings in, I believe maidugri, the reporter made it clear that apart from the claims by police, there seemed no direct proof that Boko Haram was to blame, and so would rather wait for the group to confirm that it was actually involved in that bombing.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by fjjc(m): 6:47pm On Sep 18, 2011
The only set of people that can resolve this current issue are the former military Head of state let uncle soyinka focus on their literature writing.Boko aram goes beyond talking but urgent action that will stop this heartless act.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Ayowumie(m): 7:27pm On Sep 18, 2011
I wonder why uncle soyinka is speaking out of tune. Is it old age thats catching up with him or he is suffering from selective amnesia?

Everybody agrees dat somebody needs to take a step to stem d tide of violence purpotedly been carried out by boko haram. Then obj decided to take a step towards achieving dat. Then comes d prof with his criticism. Where was he b4 now? Did he simpathise wit any of the UN bombing family members?

Anyway some body needs to tell the Prof that obj did not visit Yusuf family but rather he visited the family of Yusuf in-law.
Since d joint task force and oda security outfits av not been able to achieve d desired results, why wudnt smbody try an alternative?I wonder why uncle soyinka is speaking out of tune. Is it old age thats catching up with him or he is suffering from selective amnesia?

Everybody agrees dat somebody needs to take a step to stem d tide of violence purpotedly been carried out by boko haram. Then obj decided to take a step towards achieving dat. Then comes d prof with his criticism. Where was he b4 now? Did he simpathise wit any of the UN bombing family members?

Anyway some body needs to tell the Prof that obj did not visit Yusuf family but rather he visited the family of Yusuf in-law.
Since d joint task force and oda security outfits av not been able to achieve d desired results, why wudnt smbody try an alternative?
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Yinkay: 7:35pm On Sep 18, 2011
Wole Soyinka was part of the Aaron team that negoatiated the Niger Delta peace talks with MEND before the ceasefire,he should know better, even before the Civil War he tried to broker peace between Nigeria and the Biafran Goverment, he was arrested by the FG and ends spending 22months in prison.
Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by mekaboy(m): 9:43pm On Sep 18, 2011
OBJ WAS HOPING THAT IF THEY SAW HIS FACE, THEY WILL BE AFRAID AND GIVE UP grin grin

Re: OBJ's Visit To Maiduguri Was An Insensitive Ego Trip - Soyinka by Hmm2: 10:09pm On Sep 18, 2011
it is really an insensitive one and an act of foolishness on the federal level, except there is more to it that we do not know off, if not, do you negotiate with terrorist who do not value life? if baba iyabo was in the UN building when the blast happend his Ghost will negotiate with the terrorist group

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