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Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Killermamba: 3:42pm On Apr 07, 2023
tamdun:
They should go and sch in UK/US then,majority of the medical students can't afford to sch abroad,fed govt is subsidising education for them for the betterment of NIG citizens not UK/US/Saudi
Which kind useless subsidy be that, na your papa or federal government pay their school fees? For this useless bill to stand, let all politicians stop medical tourism receive treatment from these same overused doctors you want to force on everyone.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Thegamingorca(m): 3:45pm On Apr 07, 2023
Killermamba:

Which kind useless subsidy be that, na your papa or federal government pay their school fees? For this useless bill to stand, let all politicians stop medical tourism receive treatment from these same overused doctors you want to force on everyone.


Don't worry

The bill is dead on arrival and here is why,

1) There is a temporary provisional license with which you use to practice for 2yrs and do your housemanship before it expires after graduation. That license Is just to show ppl that you have the right to touch patients for a time period after graduation during which you must have complete your housemanship. Maybe that license will now be increased to 5yrs due to the bill but that will now make the stress to hurriedly look for housemanship slots easy, and make the graduates focus on getting UK qualifications first.. It is that graduation letter with IELTS and not the provisional license(or the permanent license gotten after housemanship), that is needed to be submitted to examining body in the UK to start the process of writing their exams. And once you pass the exams you must register under GMC within 2yrs with evidence of housemanship. The graduation certificate, your one year housemanship evidence(which you can now do after passing plab2), grin your IELTS and the pass of the two exams that are the Koko requirement to prove that indeed you are a doctor that can practice in UK unsupervised. grin grin grin grin

You only need evidence of your Naija full license or provisional license when you are applying for visa.



2) There is also no requirement for the full license to practice as a doctor after housemanship by the GMC in uk grin. Because once you have passed English test, plab 1 and 2 (even without housemanship for those who can afford to leave the country immediately after graduation and face UK), they can do their housemanship in the UK and get UK license directly with just their university certificate. That one is a bit more competitive but if you can get slot before you even apply or finish your housemanship here, you can just go to the UK straight as an fy1 grin grin grin grin grin grin


Now this is what will be happening, Alot of Nigerian doctors will make it a duty and goal to leave before that 5yrs expiration just to show the legislators that they can keep their permanent license cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Sammy5413(m): 3:53pm On Apr 07, 2023
Look at the Nigeria these APC mongrels are presenting citizens.
I keep saying this that anybody who supported APC is worthy to suffer for the rest of their miserable life
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by loswhite(m): 4:11pm On Apr 07, 2023
tamdun:
They should go and sch in UK/US then,majority of the medical students can't afford to sch abroad,fed govt is subsidising education for them for the betterment of NIG citizens not UK/US/Saudi
You a stupid citizen. who is subsidizing for the corrupt politicians?
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by DECLAN2015(m): 4:13pm On Apr 07, 2023
Okorietitus:
See these fools that the government is subsidising their education.

Let them pass this bill quickly and only exclude students of Private Universities from it.

Let them introduce student loans for those interested on becoming doctors. So, instead of working for 5 years, they can pay off student loans if they get the funds before 5 years.

Then, let politicians be banned from receiving medical care abroad. Let them stay here and ensure the services of these young doctors.

Stop calling people fool
....hope u are not yeasternal....because respect and decorum...are abscent in their life
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by loswhite(m): 4:15pm On Apr 07, 2023
Is04970:
There are arguments for and against the bill but I'll tilt towards the Reps.
If you desire to practice in UK or US as a medical practitioner why not school there and pay huge fees for your training?
Why get your education in Nigeria with taxpayers money and end up not being useful for Nigeria?
The hospitals in Nigeria aren't equipped ;Yes. So also the airports, seaports, the roads are bad etc but if the country manages to train you to become a doctor it behoves on you to manage to practice there.

PS:
The same law should be applied to Agricultural Economists, Land Surveyors etc the day we start having shortage of those professionals in Nigeria.
Who is paying these useless politicians? Is it not tax payers money? Have you ever come up with a bill to execute them for the massive corruption and stealing? What is the reason for ppl traveling abroad? If not for corruption politicians do you think Nigerians will travel? The problem of this country is foolish citizens like you
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by loswhite(m): 4:16pm On Apr 07, 2023
austinvsb:
An important bill! The US does the same through the ~7 years RESIDENCY programme that is Mandatory for anyone that wants to be a practicing doctor.

Looks like most people now want to go study medicine in Nigerian universities so as to be able to run away the next year after graduation!

That's not to take away from the need for the Government to provide proper financial compensations and facilities for our doctors!!!

Do we practice the things the US does? If we do, do you think ppl will travel?

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Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by 1stallon(m): 4:22pm On Apr 07, 2023
Fakeagbado:
They will not fix the hospital but rather but games
The tuition fees to study MBBS in the UK ranges from £38,000 to £50,000 every year that’s about 35- 48 million every year… let Nigerian medical students pay half of that every year and see if our hospitals and medical schools won’t be the best in the world!!

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Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Benrosaria(m): 4:43pm On Apr 07, 2023
Instead of trying to forcefully take doctors as slaves, the lawmakers should be focusing on creating an enabling environment that encourages doctors to stay and work in Nigeria. The lack of infrastructure, inadequate and inappropriate remuneration, and poor working conditions are some of the major factors driving medical professionals away from Nigeria. These issues need to be addressed if we want to attract and retain our healthcare professionals; make our land green.




sir the reason Nigerians are leaving your country isn't just for greener pasture, they leave because they want to be appreciated for the effort they put in bringing out their passion..

why won't we have best doctors in the world from Nigeria in Nigeria.

you are dream killers, whether you pass a bill to burn down brain drain or you pass a bill to promote medical tourism or talent hunt. nothing play. let's love ourselves equally and we won't even have to use education to be the best talents of the world
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Angrymode: 4:47pm On Apr 07, 2023
Is04970:
There are arguments for and against the bill but I'll tilt towards the Reps.
If you desire to practice in UK or US as a medical practitioner why not school there and pay huge fees for your training?
Why get your education in Nigeria with taxpayers money and end up not being useful for Nigeria?
The hospitals in Nigeria aren't equipped ;Yes. So also the airports, seaports, the roads are bad etc but if the country manages to train you to become a doctor it behoves on you to manage to practice there.

PS:
The same law should be applied to Agricultural Economists, Land Surveyors etc the day we start having shortage of those professionals in Nigeria.

When the same law is imposed on politicians to only be treated in Nigeria, then we can talk.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Dannysaka: 5:56pm On Apr 07, 2023
Is04970:
There are arguments for and against the bill but I'll tilt towards the Reps.
If you desire to practice in UK or US as a medical practitioner why not school there and pay huge fees for your training?
Why get your education in Nigeria with taxpayers money and end up not being useful for Nigeria?
The hospitals in Nigeria aren't equipped ;Yes. So also the airports, seaports, the roads are bad etc but if the country manages to train you to become a doctor it behoves on you to manage to practice there.

PS:
The same law should be applied to Agricultural Economists, Land Surveyors etc the day we start having shortage of those professionals in Nigeria.
This are the same bastard lawmakers who will never patronise Nigerian hospitals but would carry our tax money abroad to treat themselves for even common malaria. Fucking hypocrites

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Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Adeagbo77: 6:06pm On Apr 07, 2023
Dcaliphate:
Good one by NIMSA
....
All my life, i never imagined we had such a vast army of supporters of evil in Nigeria until now.
I'm talking about everyone and anyone who is in support of the just concluded sham called the 2023 general elections that produced Tinubu. SHAME ON YOU!! No wise man drinks poison because it was served in his tribal cup.

Just know that the evil you support today will bite you hard later in the future, if not you, your children.

What is wrong with you guys? All because your candidate didn't win election, so that made the election to be a sham. You need to know that you (and your allies) are not the only one in Nigeria. Besides, one man's food is another man's poison. The candidate you didn't vote for, has his own myriad of supporters too, who had voted for him. Let your candidate go and start preparing for 2027, maybe he might be considered then. As it is now, nothing can be done, he has lost the 2023 election and there is nothing that can get him close to being a president now. Even, challenging the election result in the court is just going to be a wasted effort. 2023 election has come and gone and we have an elected president likewise other elected positions already.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Judolisco(m): 6:50pm On Apr 07, 2023
austinvsb:
An important bill! The US does the same through the ~7 years RESIDENCY programme that is Mandatory for anyone that wants to be a practicing doctor.

Looks like most people now want to go study medicine in Nigerian universities so as to be able to run away the next year after graduation!

That's not to take away from the need for the Government to provide proper financial compensations and facilities for our doctors!!!

doctors have stopped fighting for facilities and equipments they only fight for salary and allowance.... I don't blame them for running away oh... What's d point of working and not earning enough? Even community health officers are running away not to talk of nurses
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Ate247(m): 6:52pm On Apr 07, 2023
tamdun:
They should go and sch in UK/US then,majority of the medical students can't afford to sch abroad,fed govt is subsidising education for them for the betterment of NIG citizens not UK/US/Saudi
when doctors where on strike because of unpaid allowance. Did you open this rubbish mouth say anything.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by flexyebe(m): 6:59pm On Apr 07, 2023
Instead of correcting and improving the welfare of our medical practitioners,you are trying to stop them from getting it else where this is to say the Government are not ready to play their role
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by austinvsb: 7:02pm On Apr 07, 2023
Judolisco:
doctors have stopped fighting for facilities and equipments they only fight for salary and allowance.... I don't blame them for running away oh... What's d point of working and not earning enough? Even community health officers are running away not to talk of nurses

I don't blame then either. Everyone would opt for a better life 100% of the time!

Otoh, I also understand the FG, they subsidize the training of medical students and other professionals by A LOT only for same professionals to run out after to another country after they have trained and spent on.

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Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by timefarm(m): 7:05pm On Apr 07, 2023
Ofcourse you will be against it.

However, if NMA is against it then, I will take it more serious.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by ufotunang: 7:06pm On Apr 07, 2023
oluseyiforjesus:
The person dat sponsor dat bill his brain 🧠🧠 should be drained into river Nigeria
..let the lawmakers also stop the president, and politicians from traveling abroad for medical treatment...let them do the medical treatment in nigeria
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Nobody: 7:09pm On Apr 07, 2023
If passed by the National Assembly, the Court will certainly nullify it
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by jidonig: 7:45pm On Apr 07, 2023
If the National Assembly should first pass a bill the will band ALL [b] POLITICIAN active and retired seeking MEDICAL TREATMENT ABROAD before
passing the above subject bill

Thank You[/b].
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by jidonig: 7:52pm On Apr 07, 2023
The National Assembly should first pass a bill the will band ALL POLITICIAN active and retired from seeking MEDICAL TREATMENT ABROAD before passing the above bill


Thank You[/b].
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Judolisco(m): 8:15pm On Apr 07, 2023
austinvsb:


I don't blame then either. Everyone would opt for a better life 100% of the time!

Otoh, I also understand the FG, they subsidize the training of medical students and other professionals by A LOT only for same professionals to run out after to another country after they have trained and spent on.
most of our parents and legislators enjoyed free education so there is nothing wrong with the government subsidising education fees... If they want doctors to stay then they should also sign a bill that lawmakers should treat themselves here... Everybody must be willing to sacrifice
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Areaboyfriend(m): 8:31pm On Apr 07, 2023
Is04970:
There are arguments for and against the bill but I'll tilt towards the Reps.
If you desire to practice in UK or US as a medical practitioner why not school there and pay huge fees for your training?
Why get your education in Nigeria with taxpayers money and end up not being useful for Nigeria?
The hospitals in Nigeria aren't equipped ;Yes. So also the airports, seaports, the roads are bad etc but if the country manages to train you to become a doctor it behoves on you to manage to practice there.

PS:
The same law should be applied to Agricultural Economists, Land Surveyors etc the day we start having shortage of those professionals in Nigeria.


Can you elaborate on how someone who went through medical school in Nigeria was being trained by taxpayers' money?
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Nolevel666: 8:35pm On Apr 07, 2023
tamdun:
They should go and sch in UK/US then,majority of the medical students can't afford to sch abroad,fed govt is subsidising education for them for the betterment of NIG citizens not UK/US/Saudi

Have any of your relatives died in these mal equipped hospitals before?

Come and work where i work in a government hospital before you start emptying your empty brain here.

Haven’t you asked yourself why your politicians always run abroad for treatment?

Mumu
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Nolevel666: 8:37pm On Apr 07, 2023
Is04970:
There are arguments for and against the bill but I'll tilt towards the Reps.
If you desire to practice in UK or US as a medical practitioner why not school there and pay huge fees for your training?
Why get your education in Nigeria with taxpayers money and end up not being useful for Nigeria?
The hospitals in Nigeria aren't equipped ;Yes. So also the airports, seaports, the roads are bad etc but if the country manages to train you to become a doctor it behoves on you to manage to practice there.

PS:
The same law should be applied to Agricultural Economists, Land Surveyors etc the day we start having shortage of those professionals in Nigeria.

You no well.

Na mediocrity go baptize you
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Is04970: 8:41pm On Apr 07, 2023
Areaboyfriend:



Can you elaborate on how someone who went through medical school in Nigeria was being trained by taxpayers' money?
Public education is subsidised in Nigeria.
Compare the tuitions of Nigeria school with what is obtained in Europe and North America.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Auskyd(m): 8:42pm On Apr 07, 2023
Is04970:
There are arguments for and against the bill but I'll tilt towards the Reps.
If you desire to practice in UK or US as a medical practitioner why not school there and pay huge fees for your training?
Why get your education in Nigeria with taxpayers money and end up not being useful for Nigeria?
The hospitals in Nigeria aren't equipped ;Yes. So also the airports, seaports, the roads are bad etc but if the country manages to train you to become a doctor it behoves on you to manage to practice there.

PS:
The same law should be applied to Agricultural Economists, Land Surveyors etc the day we start having shortage of those professionals in Nigeria.



Quite moronic. Sad stuff really. "country manages to train you" because they didn't pay fees.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by efeski(m): 8:45pm On Apr 07, 2023
Is04970:
There are arguments for and against the bill but I'll tilt towards the Reps.
If you desire to practice in UK or US as a medical practitioner why not school there and pay huge fees for your training?
Why get your education in Nigeria with taxpayers money and end up not being useful for Nigeria?
The hospitals in Nigeria aren't equipped ;Yes. So also the airports, seaports, the roads are bad etc but if the country manages to train you to become a doctor it behoves on you to manage to practice there.

PS:
The same law should be applied to Agricultural Economists, Land Surveyors etc the day we start having shortage of those professionals in Nigeria.

What you're suggesting undermines the principles of Basic and Inalienable Fundamental Human Rights as enshrined in our constitution.
It simply wont work unless in a Socialist or Facist State
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Areaboyfriend(m): 8:46pm On Apr 07, 2023
Is04970:

Public education is subsidised in Nigeria.
Compare the tuitions of Nigeria school with what is obtained in Europe and North America.

I am particular about the medical schools as they are the only target here.
How does Nigerian government subsidise medical education?
I really need to know.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Areaboyfriend(m): 8:55pm On Apr 07, 2023
Thegamingorca:



Don't worry

The bill is dead on arrival and here is why,

1) There is a temporary provisional license with which you use to practice for 2yrs and do your housemanship before it expires after graduation. That license Is just to show ppl that you have the right to touch patients for a time period after graduation during which you must have complete your housemanship. Maybe that license will now be increased to 5yrs due to the bill but that will now make the stress to hurriedly look for housemanship slots easy, and make the graduates focus on getting UK qualifications first.. It is that graduation letter with IELTS and not the provisional license(or the permanent license gotten after housemanship), that is needed to be submitted to examining body in the UK to start the process of writing their exams. And once you pass the exams you must register under GMC within 2yrs with evidence of housemanship. The graduation certificate, your one year housemanship evidence(which you can now do after passing plab2), grin your IELTS and the pass of the two exams that are the Koko requirement to prove that indeed you are a doctor that can practice in UK unsupervised. grin grin grin grin

You only need evidence of your Naija full license or provisional license when you are applying for visa.



2) There is also no requirement for the full license to practice as a doctor after housemanship by the GMC in uk grin. Because once you have passed English test, plab 1 and 2 (even without housemanship for those who can afford to leave the country immediately after graduation and face UK), they can do their housemanship in the UK and get UK license directly with just their university certificate. That one is a bit more competitive but if you can get slot before you even apply or finish your housemanship here, you can just go to the UK straight as an fy1 grin grin grin grin grin grin


Now this is what will be happening, Alot of Nigerian doctors will make it a duty and goal to leave before that 5yrs expiration just to show the legislators that they can keep their permanent license cheesy cheesy cheesy

With this your thought, I will give you BGS.
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by Nolongthing88(m): 9:28pm On Apr 07, 2023
Why not make a bill that NO government or political office holder should not travel outside the country for medical reasons6
Re: NIMSA Opposes The Brain Drain Bill (Official Statement) by EagleNest(m): 9:32pm On Apr 07, 2023
Every citizen has the right to freedom of choice. If the unscrupulous politicians makes Nigeria uninhabitable and unattractive, the youths & professionals will most likely look elsewhere. Catch them if you can grin

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