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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by tete7000(m): 9:49am On May 07, 2023
Indifference to the plight of others when it is within his reach to help. Sin of omission.

Then they will also answer him, saying: 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you?' Then he shall respond to them by saying: 'Amen I say to you, whenever you did not do it to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.' And these shall go into eternal punishment, but the just shall go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:44‭-‬45

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Nairalander248: 9:56am On May 07, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. There is no Hell-- a place of torment --- for those of the Old Law of Moses which the parable clearly explains as the contextual Law for that parable - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. undecided

Just dey play

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darvaza_gas_crater

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by GoodIsGod: 9:56am On May 07, 2023
Ken4Christ:


You think Jesus just imagined a place of torment that does not exist?

Do you make parables with events that are not real? If yes, mention any other parable with events that can't happen in practice.

Do you mention actual names in parables? If yes, give me another parable where specific names were mentioned.

Is the idea of hell as a place of torment supported by any other passage in the scripture? The answer is yes and there are so many scriptures that backs the fact that lost souls end up in a place of torment.


The guy is a watchtower robot.

They can't reason beyond what watchtower says. Infact they must not. Else they will be excommunicated.

They say hell is the grave. If it is, what torment is in the grave?

The Bible talks about hell which is a place of torment.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by onlyboyson(m): 9:56am On May 07, 2023
the RICH man na Yahoo him be
he even Bleep olosho do fake transfer
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by tete7000(m): 9:57am On May 07, 2023
Ken4Christ:


He did not have mercy on poor Lazarus. Rather, he humiliated him in his poverty stricken condition.
It was not stated that he humiliated him, infact he never stopped him from eating from the scraps from his table. His sin was that he could help but didn't. He was indifferent to the plight of Lazarus. Read Mat. 25

Then they will also answer him, saying: 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you?' Then he shall respond to them by saying: 'Amen I say to you, whenever you did not do it to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.' And these shall go into eternal punishment, but the just shall go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:44‭-‬46

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by chatinent: 10:01am On May 07, 2023
Funny how religion is always about fear and worship.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by correctguy101(m): 10:03am On May 07, 2023
FRANCISTOWN:

Let's not stress ourselves. There is no baby here.
Those niggas who put that parable in the Bible only did that because they want every rich man to give their hard earned money to the church for the fear of not being condemned into hell for having riches.

Smart man grin grin

If you know this, you no go loss.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by correctguy101(m): 10:05am On May 07, 2023
onlyboyson:
the RICH man na Yahoo him be
he even Bleep olosho do fake transfer

Werey, you better go baff and go church. Else I go report you to ya pastor wife... grin

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by JobNeededUrgent: 10:06am On May 07, 2023
Nairalander248:


Just dey play

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darvaza_gas_crater
I didn't see where the article inferred that it's hell.
that's a burning gas field just nicknamed as the doorway to hell
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by JobNeededUrgent: 10:07am On May 07, 2023
onlyboyson:
the RICH man na Yahoo him be he even Bleep olosho do fake transfer
you smoke?

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by GoodIsGod: 10:08am On May 07, 2023
Ken4Christ:


Must you defend a lie at all cost even when there are overwhelming evidences that affirms you are lying?

1. The scripture talks about the pains of hell. Are there pains in the grave.

2. The scripture talks about the sorrows of hell. Is there sorrow in the grave.

3. Each time Jesus mentioned people going into hell, he uses the phrase 'cast into hell'. Do you cast or throw people into grave.

4. Jesus said that there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Do dead bodies weep and gnash their teeth in the grave?

5. Jesus used the term, cast into furnace of fire. Does the grave burn with fire.

I could go on and on.

Must you put your soul in danger of that terrible place because you want to defend the lies of Rutherford and Russell?

God bless you.

They are not different from Robots. Their thoughts are programmed and fashioned according to Watchtower dictates.

As a Winner Chapel member I will not take everything coming from Oyedepo hook and sink because he is human. Although he is led by the spirit but at the same time he is an imperfect being.

But this JW grin , Watchtower is regarded as, as perfect as God. Everything coming from there can't be contested.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by nairalanda1(m): 10:09am On May 07, 2023
FRANCISTOWN:

Let's not stress ourselves. There is no baby here.
Those niggas who put that parable in the Bible only did that because they want every rich man to give their hard earned money to the church for the fear of not being condemned into hell for having riches.

Flawed way of looking at it.

The old Law had several rules in place to take care of the poor and needy. Rules Rich man ignored in his dealings with Lazarus

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by nairalanda1(m): 10:12am On May 07, 2023
FRANCISTOWN:

You no see how much David give to God when them wan build him house.

David said "I have given to God with all my might" wetin that one mean? E mean say na everything wey him get him give him God.

And as for Abraham, Abraham dey pay him tithes. Paid paid paid until he left nothing for Isaac

David did give a lot, but he did not give everything.

Also, Abraham was stated to have paid tithe only once and not all the time. Plus when he died he was wealthy plus Isaac was a man of means himself
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Majesty7: 10:17am On May 07, 2023
annyplenty:
Let us rub minds together.

The scripture did not explicity say why the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 go to hell.

Can you infer from the scripture why he ended in hell.

The rich man never show compassion to that poor man. Do you know what it means to eat from the scrambling that fell to the floor?

No proud, wicked and uncompassionate human will smell God's presence irrespective of your social status where poor or rich. God doesn't frown on hardworking people. He blesses their work and make them successful. However, you hsveo show mercy to the poor. You have to love everyone equally. There are tenets, teachings, laws and other guidance in the word of God. Follow and practice them.

Allowing a human like you scramble for food with dogs show how callous that person is.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by layzie: 10:25am On May 07, 2023
FRANCISTOWN:

You no see how much David give to God when them wan build him house.

David said "I have given to God with all my might" wetin that one mean? E mean say na everything wey him get him give him God.

And as for Abraham, Abraham dey pay him tithes. Paid paid paid until he left nothing for Isaac

Hmmm. Just to correct some erroneous claims here.

First, Abraham was so rich he had his own private army. He equally died very rich.

Isaac his son was so rich the country of Gerar where he went to escape the famine had to ask him to leave, cos he was richer and more powerful than them.

Then David, died a very rich king and his successor- his son Solomon, was even richer than him.

Your claim that Abraham and David gave all they had and were left with nothing, is incorrect.

The life of Abraham can actually be used to explain the question from OP.
Despite his stupendous wealth, Abraham was very humble and helpful. When his herdsmen and lots herdsmen quarelled cos the land couldn't contain all their animals, even though he was richer, he asked Lot to choose any part of the land for himself and he (Abraham) will go the opposite direction. When he saw 3 strangers under hot sun, he RAN to meet them and begged them to allow him give them water to wash their feet and some food to eat B4 continuing on their journey. When his servant prepared the food, he SERVED it. When 4 kings attacked Sodom and Gomorrah and took Lot captive, Abraham left his business and led his private army with the help of his friends to attack those kings and rescued Lot.

Now compare this, to the character of that rich man with Lazarus.

God is not against riches, the problem is when u allow the riches cloud ur sense of humility, charity and love for your fellow men.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Eriokanmi: 10:26am On May 07, 2023
Lemme digress a little...The rich man whose name the Bible didn't mention could be likened to our politicians and elites of nowadays, who always go to the UK to buy properties worth millions of dollars while their states are wallowing in penury. Their Children too buy properties worth over 11m dollars, including those properties fingered by the government as properties bought with a country's stolen funds from a notable politician who once served the nation.

The poor man's name was known in the bible. His name was Lazarus who once had sores all over his body and died a poor man. This rich man must have known and identified lazarus when he was still living but chose not to help him otherwise. Otherwise, he wouldn't have mentioned his name and asked that favour from him. He was just living large, riding the most expensive horses in those days, just the way we see them flying private jets today when they're supposed to use that money to give scholarships to the children of the poor and develop their regions. Many of them also don't believe in God. They indulge in all manner of secret societies in which human blood is being requested for rituals. So, the rich man in the bible could be doing all these too and nobody does that would ever make heaven. The rich are mostly being controlled by same spirit since the beginning of the world...ego and greed. From his words, it shows none of his children and family was nice, none believed in, or served God among them otherwise, he wouldn't have wished to send someone to them on earth to preach to them. While on earth, the man didn't do the needful to also warn his family of their way of life cos of heaven.
There are believers too who are rich and blessed by God. If they still tow the same path as the rich man in the bible, they'd also end up in hell.

In conclusion, Mark 10:25 says, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for a rich man to enter into God's Kingdom.”. That says it all.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Barristter07: 10:31am On May 07, 2023
Ken4Christ:


You think Jesus just imagined a place of torment that does not exist?

Do you make parables with events that are not real? If yes, mention any other parable with events that can't happen in practice.

Do you mention actual names in parables? If yes, give me another parable where specific names were mentioned.

Is the idea of hell as a place of torment supported by any other passage in the scripture? The answer is yes and there are so many scriptures that backs the fact that lost souls end up in a place of torment.


So why are people buried in the ground when they die? According to the parable, your fleshly tongue, fingers and entire human body should be in Hell
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Barristter07: 10:32am On May 07, 2023
Ken4Christ:


Must you defend a lie at all cost even when there are overwhelming evidences that affirms you are lying?

1. The scripture talks about the pains of hell. Are there pains in the grave.

2. The scripture talks about the sorrows of hell. Is there sorrow in the grave.

3. Each time Jesus mentioned people going into hell, he uses the phrase 'cast into hell'. Do you cast or throw people into grave.

4. Jesus said that there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Do dead bodies weep and gnash their teeth in the grave?

5. Jesus used the term, cast into furnace of fire. Does the grave burn with fire.

I could go on and on.

Must you put your soul in danger of that terrible place because you want to defend the lies of Rutherford and Russell?

A spirit does not have flesh and bones.

You hardly think when typing this, what's a soul doing with a teeth? Isn't teeth a bone ?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Barristter07: 10:36am On May 07, 2023
annyplenty:


-1. He did not listen to the Preachers of his time who were warning him about hell. And as such *he failed to repent*

Let us looked at the conversation below, between Abraham and him

Luke 16:27-30 KJV
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

[28] *For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment*

.. [29] Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And *he said, Nay, father Abraham: but *if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.*

From the above scripture, it seemed the rich man and his brothers were the type that always disdain the word of God, saying *has anyone gone to hell and come back before?*

That might be the reason the rich man suggested to Abraham that his brothers would not believe unless a dead person go to warn them about hell.

Going by the highlighted, the rich man lived when Moses was alive ?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Eriokanmi: 10:36am On May 07, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. First, the story is a parable and not meant to be literally interpreted. Second, the answer to why the rich man character in the story would end up in the Old Law Hell is found in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20. Third, in consonance with scripture, Hell for those of Old condemned to die is perishing in the grave --- they cease to exist when they die - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 & Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. undecided

2. What evidence do you have that proves to you that you are in fact born-again in keeping with the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ? Do you have the evidence that Jesus Christ proclaimed all who are born-again will have in John 3 vs 1 - 21, or are you of the mind that the process is whole of mental assent? undecided
Hmmm! The this guy again, always confusing himself. So, lazarus mentioned in the bible was also a parable? Why was Lazarus mentioned in the story...was he a utopian Lazarus?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Barristter07: 10:38am On May 07, 2023
004gist:


jehova witness I sight u

the bible says.... there was a certain rich man.... "there was " this shows that it actually happened.
and this shows that there is life after death.

Revelation 20:14 also talk about a time where some certain individual will be cast into an everlasting fire

Isaiah 33:14 also talk about an everlasting fire where sinners will be cast into.


Read King James version not a water down translation

Do people go to hell with their tongues ?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by maticar: 10:38am On May 07, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. First, the story is a parable and not meant to be literally interpreted. Second, the answer to why the rich man character in the story would end up in the Old Law Hell is found in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20. Third, in consonance with scripture, Hell for those of Old condemned to die is perishing in the grave --- they cease to exist when they die - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 & Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. undecided

2. What evidence do you have that proves to you that you are in fact born-again in keeping with the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ? Do you have the evidence that Jesus Christ proclaimed all who are born-again will have in John 3 vs 1 - 21, or are you of the mind that the process is whole of mental assent? undecided
you must be JW
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Barristter07: 10:39am On May 07, 2023
GoodIsGod:


The guy is a watchtower robot.

They can't reason beyond what watchtower says. Infact they must not. Else they will be excommunicated.

They say hell is the grave. If it is, what torment is in the grave?

The Bible talks about hell which is a place of torment.

Are people in hell right now ?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by delkuf(m): 10:43am On May 07, 2023
tete7000:

It was not stated that he humiliated him, infact he never stopped from eating from the scraps from his table. His sin was that he could help but didn't. He was indifferent to the plight of Lazarus. Read Mat. 25

Then they will also answer him, saying: 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you?' Then he shall respond to them by saying: 'Amen I say to you, whenever you did not do it to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.' And these shall go into eternal punishment, but the just shall go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:44‭-‬46
so he should be eating from the scraps of the table. When you have everything as a rich man
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by maticar: 10:43am On May 07, 2023
Barristter07:


Going by the highlighted, the rich man lived when Moses was alive ?
LOL
the story is a parable, used for illustration....atleast thats what a parable means

moses spent his last 40 yrs in the wilderness so how could the rich man have been there when the israelites didnt really "own" properties per say - they were always on the move, so the rich man wasnt in that era - it was a parable.

this lazarus is different from the fellow Jesus rose from the dead
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by BreconHills(m): 10:45am On May 07, 2023
Ken4Christ:


He did not have mercy on poor Lazarus. Rather, he humiliated him in his poverty stricken condition.

Yours is the best answer.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by maticar: 10:45am On May 07, 2023
Barristter07:


Do people go to hell with their tongues ?
In hell there will be weeping and gnashing of 'teeth'

if teeth will be present in hell why wont the tongue?

besides can you weep or cry without a tongue?

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Barristter07: 10:45am On May 07, 2023
maticar:

LOL
the story is a parable, used for illustration....atleast thats what a parable means

moses spent his last 40 yrs in the wilderness so how could the rich man have been there when the israelites didnt really "own" properties per say - they were always on the move, so the rich man wasnt in that era - it was a parable.

this lazarus is different from the fellow Jesus rose from the dead


You are intelligent, I asked that question to make us realize not everything in that story is meant to be taken as literal. The story didn't happen, its like an idiom that when taken at face value doesn't make any sense. But has much more deeper meaning than conveyed at surface level.


Good morning Sir.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Barristter07: 10:47am On May 07, 2023
maticar:

In hell there will be weeping and gnashing of 'teeth'

if teeth will be present in hell why wont the tongue?

besides can you weep or cry without a tongue?

Then we need to ask: are people in hell presently? If yes, the above can't be true, because we know many people teeth follow them to the graves. Not any imaginary location.

Take notice of this, while the text said both of them were buried, it continues like they still continue to exist as humans, " the rich man lifted up is Eyes" but we know the eyes of a dead man doesn't function.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by maticar: 10:49am On May 07, 2023
Barristter07:


A spirit does not have flesh and bones.

You hardly think when typing this, what's a soul doing with a teeth? Isn't teeth a bone ?

every person good or evil will have a eternal body on the ressurection day

the good people will have christ kind of body as they ascend, the bad guys will also take on flesh, judged and thrown whole into lake of fire
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Nobody: 10:50am On May 07, 2023
annyplenty:
Let us rub minds together.

The scripture did not explicity say why the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 go to hell.

Can you infer from the scripture why he ended in hell.
That story is a parable. But I think the story is trying to teach that you can go to hell if you don't LOVE ( GOD and your neighbor)

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Barristter07: 10:50am On May 07, 2023
maticar:

every person good or evil will have a eternal body on the ressurection day

the good people will have christ kind of body as they ascend, the bad guys will also take on flesh, judged and thrown whole into lake of fire
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

Okay we both agree nobody is in hell right now ?

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