annyplenty:
Let us rub minds together.

The scripture did not explicity say why the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 go to hell.

Can you infer from the scripture why he ended in hell.

He didn't help the needy

At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table

004gist:


jehova witness I sight u

the bible says.... there was a certain rich man.... "there was " this shows that it actually happened.
and this shows that there is life after death.

Revelation 20:14 also talk about a time where some certain individual will be cast into an everlasting fire

Isaiah 33:14 also talk about an everlasting fire where sinners will be cast into.


Read King James version not a water down translation

There is no everlasting fire, no amount of sinful lives a person can live would make them deserve to burn in everlasting fire. Use your common sense. If you are not a psycho, you will simply kill the evil people, instead of tormenting them forever.

Barristter07:


Then we need to ask: are people in hell presently? If yes, the above can't be true, because we know many people teeth follow them to the graves. Not any imaginary location.

Take notice of this, while the text said both of them were buried, it continues like they still continue to exist as humans, " the rich man lifted up is Eyes" but we know the eyes of a dead man doesn't function.

ofcourse all our senses will be present after death

remember it says the rich man complained of torment and unbearable heat(fire?) hence he asked for just a drop of water

what do you think about that?

delkuf:
so he should be eating from the scraps of the table. When you have everything as a rich man

If he chose to invite him, it would have been an act of charity, and even a privilege for Lazarus. Humiliation is a deliberate act of putting someone down. The rich man was already up there, Lazarus was down,the rich man didn't put him down. The rich man's only offence is that he missed the opportunity to lift someone up. His was a sin of omission and not commission.

maticar:

ofcourse all our senses will be present after death

remember it says the rich man complained of torment and unbearable heat(fire?) hence he asked for just a drop of water

what do you think about that?

After death, in what form? Human form ?

dyera:


There is no everlasting fire, no amount of sinful lives a person can live would make them deserve to burn in everlasting fire. Use your common sense. If you are not a psycho, you will simply kill the evil people, instead of tormenting them forever.

the problem is we fail to understand that hell wasnt made for mankind - it was made for the devil after the great war in heaven, to be tormented forever since they are spirits - God needed to make sure they feel everlasting pain, hence anybody or spirit that finds himself in hell wont die or be extinguished like piece of paper - enter mankind

so we fell and the devil knew the consequences and he needs company in there and also to spite God

so people who sin inherit to reward or punishment of whoever you serve

you serve the devil by way of sin, you receive his reward in hell
you serve Jesus, you receive His reward in Heaven/new earth, walking with him eternal- shiny and chrome

tete7000:


If he chose to invite him, it would have been an act of charity, and even a privilege for Lazarus. Humiliation is a deliberate act of putting someone down. The rich man was already up there, Lazarus was down,the rich man didn't put him down. The rich man's only offence is that he missed the opportunity to lift someone up. His was a sin of omission and not commission.

invite him to eat scraps and you call that charity. The mind of man is wicked

Barristter07:


After death, in what form? Human form ?

flesh and spirit for as is Jesus now

If our Lord opens his hands and chest right now, you will see the marks of crucifixion - so why is a spirit man (son of God) bearing a mark he took while on earth as flesh??

remember after his death he walked with them 40 days and all eyes saw him

he told the doubting apostle on that day to touch his wound and put his hand in his body to feel the marks

but he didnt walk through the door, he appeared as a spirit would

now thats the body we will have in eternity

maticar:

flesh and spirit for as is Jesus now

If our Lord opens his hands and chest right now, you will see the marks of crucifixion - so why is a spirit man (son of God) bearing a mark he took while on earth as flesh??

remember after his death he walked with them 40 days and all eyes saw him

he told the doubting apostle on that day to touch his wound and put his hand in his body to feel the marks

but he didnt walk through the door, he appeared as a spirit would

now thats the body we will have in eternity

No sir , he didn't appear as a Spirit.

He said and I quote ' A spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have '

So the question again: In what form if spirit don't have flesh and bones ?

Barristter07:


No sir , he didn't appear as a Spirit.

He said and I quote ' A spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have '

So the question again: In what form if spirit don't have flesh and bones ?

so how did he disappear from their midst if in the flesh?

FRANCISTOWN:

Let's not stress ourselves. There is no baby here.
Those niggas who put that parable in the Bible only did that because they want every rich man to give their hard earned money to the church for the fear of not being condemned into hell for having riches.

Wow ... Wow ... Wow ...

He went to hell because he did not show charity while on earth. Love is vital. Not because he was rich

correctguy101:


Werey, you better go baff and go church. Else I go report you to ya pastor wife...

hahaha real niggar

Ken4Christ:


You think Jesus just imagined a place of torment that does not exist?

Do you make parables with events that are not real? If yes, mention any other parable with events that can't happen in practice.

Do you mention actual names in parables? If yes, give me another parable where specific names were mentioned.

Is the idea of hell as a place of torment supported by any other passage in the scripture? The answer is yes and there are so many scriptures that backs the fact that lost souls end up in a place of torment.

thanks for your honest and expository questions.The story was a real life story told by Jesus

maticar:

the problem is we fail to understand that hell wasnt made for mankind - it was made for the devil after the great war in heaven, to be tormented forever since they are spirits - God needed to make sure they feel everlasting pain, hence anybody or spirit that finds himself in hell wont die or be extinguished like piece of paper - enter mankind

so we fell and the devil knew the consequences and he needs company in there and also to spite God

so people who sin inherit to reward or punishment of whoever you serve

you serve the devil by way of sin, you receive his reward in hell
you serve Jesus, you receive His reward in Heaven/new earth, walking with him eternal- shiny and chrome

The wages of sin is death. All the talk about hell in the bible is merely a talk about the process by which the eternal death would occur. There is nothing more dreadful to a human or devil than to cease exist, be deprived of eternal life.

The doctrine of everlasting fire is a doctrine of the devil that breeds insincere christians that accept Jesus because they don't want to experience everlasting torment, take away the everlasting torment and you will see them reject Jesus.

There is a major difference between accepting Jesus because you want to escape everlasting torment and accepting Jesus because he saved you from death and gave you the chance to live forever. For the first you are accepting Jesus as a result of fear, for the second you are accepting Jesus as a result of love.

Why does the tortoise have patched shell?

He didnt give to the poor. Remember jesus said in one portion of the bible that "whatever you do to the least of your brethen, you do unto me" i was hungry you did not feed me, naked you didnt cloth me etc.

Greed

JW teachings.... Read the scripture for spiritual understanding

Kobojunkie:
1. First, the story is a parable and not meant to be literally interpreted. Second, the answer to why the rich man character in the story would end up in the Old Law Hell is found in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20. Third, in consonance with scripture, Hell for those of Old condemned to die is perishing in the grave --- they cease to exist when they die - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 & Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.

2. What evidence do you have that proves to you that you are in fact born-again in keeping with the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ? Do you have the evidence that Jesus Christ proclaimed all who are born-again will have in John 3 vs 1 - 21, or are you of the mind that the process is whole of mental assent?

annyplenty:
Let us rub minds together.

The scripture did not explicity say why the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 go to hell.

Can you infer from the scripture why he ended in hell.

He did not love his neighbour Lazarus like himself.
Love is the ultimate law because God is love.

delkuf:
invite him to eat scraps and you call that charity. The mind of man is wicked

He was already eating scrap, he didn't need invitation for that again. To invite him is to invite him to his table. Hope that is clear now?

Kobojunkie:
1. First, the story is a parable and not meant to be literally interpreted. Second, the answer to why the rich man character in the story would end up in the Old Law Hell is found in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20. Third, in consonance with scripture, Hell for those of Old condemned to die is perishing in the grave --- they cease to exist when they die - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 & Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.

Imagine rubbish talk. So the parable that involved real characters like Abraham was not to be literally interpreted. So the hell where the worms don't die and the fires don't cease is also an imaginary place (Mark 9: 47-48). She will be speaking arrant nonsense with so much boldness that smacks of impostor syndrome and doing so with false authority.

dyera:


There is no everlasting fire, no amount of sinful lives a person can live would make them deserve to burn in everlasting fire. Use your common sense. If you are not a psycho, you will simply kill the evil people, instead of tormenting them forever.

atheist am not talking to u... face what u believe am talking as a believer of the bible.

Barristter07:


Do people go to hell with their tongues ?

Matthew 5:30 Read your Bible. jesus said u should even cut that ur tongue if it will prevent u from making heaven. its better u go to heaven with out tongue than enter hell with it

FRANCISTOWN:

Let's not stress ourselves. There is no baby here.
Those niggas who put that parable in the Bible only did that because they want every rich man to give their hard earned money to the church for the fear of not being condemned into hell for having riches.

Meaningless talk

004gist:


Matthew 5:30 Read your Bible. jesus said u should even cut that ur tongue if it will prevent u from making heaven. its better u go to heaven with out tongue than enter hell with it

You don't get the point , next time relax.

So you really believe the bolded literally?

maticar:

so how did he disappear from their midst if in the flesh?

He was acting the way angels do , where a spirit appear in human form just for a specific purpose and then Dissapear.

Oyinbo just keep on doing us bad for us to believe the printing book called Bible stories from our British colony

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, the context of the parable which was told by Jesus Christ was the Old Law of Moses and there is no Hell- place of torment - associated with the Old Law. That is of importance when considering how to process the details contained in the story. As it is a parable and not a story based on facts, the importance thing is to find the message hidden in plane sight and that is found in the Abraham characters response to the Rich man's question --- no one will be sent back from the dead to work the living.

I'm interested to know if JW believe only in the old testament portion of the scripture.
If so, then I will proceed to point out to you that he'll actually exists in the old testament.
That's besides the fact that you've mixed up so many things. For example, if you say it's a parable and thus, so many aspects of it are not true, it then begs the question at what point you consider the central message itself to be true. Secondly, there are many lessons to be gleaned from that parable and it will sound ridiculous to claim one message is above the other.
Lastly, if there was no hell, what exactly did Jesus come to do then and was hell only built after he came to earth?

annyplenty:
Why did he go to hell?

There are 2 ways of committing sin

1) Commission: examples are

A) Bad thoughts
B) Bad utterances
C) Bad behaviour

2) Omission: examples are

A) Deliberate refusal to do charity with what you have
B) Deliberate refusal to condemn evil when in position to
C) Deliberate refusal to teach good morals when in a position to
Etc

The rich man was not guilty of sin by "commission"...he is however guilty of the sin by " omission " (Deliberate refusal to show the poor Lazarus charity with his affluence)

That's the answer you seek

Kobojunkie:
1. Please engage your senses abeg! Moses, the one who in fact gave to Israel the Old Law,never indicated the existence of a place of torment after death. God never suggested the existence of any such throughout the 40 years He led the Israelites through the Israelites feeding them the details of the Law.

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