FreedomfromtheT:
A mistake is different from a sin. A true Christian is no longer a sinner (Romans 6:1,12,14,18,22).
Jesus came to save His people from their sin (Mathew 1:21).
Make no mistake about it. If you are saved by Jesus, you cannot remain a sinner.
If you are still a sinner, then you are not yet saved.
There is a difference between a saved saint and a religious sinner.
Jesus is ready to save you today (Revelations 3:20).
Please get saved today. You may die tomorrow.
There will be no second chance.

MaxInDHouse:


You love deceit walahi talahi!

So if i am on the same page as Kumuyi and your Papa then why talking about the GB as if they're not on the same page with Kumuyi and your Papa?

You know there's a big difference that's why you can't keep shut when JWs are talking as the man you call Papa will not openly speak a word against Kumuyi and Deeperlifer man will also avoid him diplomatically yet they can't minister in each other's church neither can any so called pastor from one side minister on the other side. Only JWs openly tell you the truth that we are not on the same page and tell you why while your Papa and Kumuyi are deceiving you with shameless shows with evil intentions towards one another in their hearts!

FreedomfromtheT:
May God forgive and save your soul before you die.
A true Christian doesn't accuse people falsely.
There are a lot of genuine ministers of the gospel. Pastor Kumuyi is one of them. A lot of people who are not even associated with anything Bible know this but envious religious sinners will certainly not.

MaxInDHouse:
Try to make a research on the Hebrew text translated "SIN" before coming to argue.

To help you get the clearer picture:

Who is the first sinner?

FreedomfromtheT:
I don't have time to argue with a blind religious sinner leading fellow blind.
A sinner is not yet a Christian and a Christian is no longer a sinner (Matthew 1:21; Romans 6,1,12,14, 18,22;1st John 3:.
The evidence that you are yet a sinner is if you are still telling lies, fighting, hateful, malicious, envious, cursing, committing fornication or adultery, watching pornography, stealing, getting drunk, smoking etc.
Please I am not judging you. I love you. I am not better than anyone if not for Christ's saving grace.
I don't want to you deceived.
The unrighteous (sinners) shall not inherit the Kingdom of God (1st Corinthians 6:9-11).
Let no religious sinner deceive you with vain words.
A new Heaven and a new earth is real and hellfire is real (Revelations 21:1-4, Luke 12:4,5).
If you choose to be deceived, you are not excusable (Romans 2:1).
May God help you to choose the saving truth today in Jesus' name, Amen.

MaxInDHouse:


You're just a credulous religionists lying to your own soul!

God's word is the truth according to Jesus Christ of Nazareth {John 17:17} but you are saying those who don't believe in the Bible knows that someone is a minister of the gospel.
Ọmọ how do you come to such conclusion?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't even know the real meaning of sin yet you want to argue!





Adam is the first sinner whose sin affected the entire human race, which of the highlighted did he commit?

If truly you know what sin means!

FreedomfromtheT:
"Let your light so shine before men (who don't believe the Bible) that they may see your good works and glorify your Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 5:16).
True Christians are living epistles written for men who don't believe the Scriptures to read and know what true Christianity is.
The believers were called Christians (by non Christians) first in Antioch (Acts 11:26).

FreedomfromtheT:
Adam committed the sin of disobedience.
Every sin is disobedience to God's word.

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm why do you feel like deceiving yourself with your grey hair?

If you're so sure of what you typed here then how come you keep going back to the same JWs asking the same questions as if you've not concluded with them?

Well the greatest crime a normal human can commit on this planet is to lie to yourself, if JWs aren't it any sane individual would have forgotten them long ago but with your attitude it's obvious you just feel like lying to your own soul!

MaxInDHouse:


Simple!
Whoever is not obedient to the GB of JWs isn't worshiping our God!

MightySparrow:

I have never asked any JW's questions here on Nairaland. Stop prizing yourself as someone special. You are not.

MightySparrow:

Your God is different from the one I am serving..

MaxInDHouse:


With the above you've nailed yourself for good! Anytime you come asking me questions this is what i will remind you so never ask me any question again if truly you're sincere with yourself!


So there's nothing to discuss with me henceforth!

MaxInDHouse:

Go ask Papa nah!
After all that's why you're paying him tithe as your teacher!

MaxInDHouse:



Now do you agree that the first sinner committed a blunder/ error/ mistake by doing what he ought not to do and not all what you listed in your earlier post?

That's the single act that made all humans sinners and death entered into the world through that single act leading to the death of billions both nice and wicked are dying not sparing anyone! Romans 5:12

Ọmọ when a real Christian is talking just humble yourself and learn, sin simply means error and no imperfect human is freed from error what believers have is the saving grace which will be applied as long as a believer is not PRACTICING sin.
But to say an imperfect human will not sin (err) again is blatant lie! Romans 7:15-25

MaxInDHouse:


Now do you see how you failed woefully?

Jesus was talking to his group not a single man who gathered mugus without making them real disciples to preach and teach in all the nations.

Jesus was addressing a group of men whose works will yield fruits throughout the world as they're making disciples {Matthew 28:19-20} so that people may see the attitude of Christ in those taught by this little group! Luke 12:32

The inhabitants of Antioch call a GROUP of people "CHRISTIANS" {Act 11:26} not a single man accumulating material possessions through the gullibility of his fellow countrymen!

FreedomfromtheT:
A Christian (a former sinner saved by grace) belongs to Christ while a sinner belongs to the devil (1st John 3:.
Yes, a Christian can err if he is not careful (1st John 1:7-9).That is an exception not the rule.
On realization and convinction, such a errant sinner needs to quickly take advantage of the window of repentance and grace to receive forgiveness.
There is a world of difference between a former sinner saved by grace who unfortunately goes into sin and a (religious) sinner who has tasted the grace of God in Christ.
Moreover, no true Christian justifies sin.

FreedomfromtheT:
One of your errors is the fallacy of generalization.
Your above insinuations might be true of fake clergy littered around but certainly and by the grace of God, not applicable to pastor W. F Kumuyi and the Deeper Life Bible Church that God graciously has been using him to raise up since 1973.

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ Kumuyi is FAKE!

If you're ready to know my reasons i'm also ready to use God's word (not man's opinion) to figure out the truth.

I insist that Kumuyi is not a Christian at all!

MaxInDHouse:


That's exactly what i'm saying, the little addition is that sin that has not been removed completely is why we are growing old, getting sick and dying.
When God's Kingdom come Jehovah will apply Jesus' ransom sacrifice on all sinners who have been redeemed {Micah 7:19} and He will not recall it again {Jeremiah 31:34} by then He will swallow up death forever {Isaiah 25:8} and no one will say "i am sick" Isaiah 33:24

So Christians are sinners that has been redeemed but until God's Kingdom comes the effects of Adamic sin will continue to plague all mankind!

FreedomfromtheT:

So you now agree that a sinner is not a Christian and Christian is no longer a sinner.

FreedomfromtheT:
Your own cup of tea.

MaxInDHouse:

That's the truth even if you don't want to know!

MaxInDHouse:

NO!
All humans are sinners whether Christian or not the only difference between believers and evildoers is repentance, believers are washing their filthy garments (sinful nature) in the blood of the lamb {Revelations 7:14} while evildoers continues practicing sin!

FreedomfromtheT:
The reason you and others hate pastor Kumuyi is the same reason Jesus was hated (John 15:17-21).
There is no surprise at all.
It doesn't change anything.

FreedomfromtheT:
No sir.
We were all sinners. The difference is that while I and others have repented and been washed by the blood of the Lamb, some are yet in their sins (1st Corinthians 6:11).
It is obvious that both of us are talking out of personal experiences.
I was once in the pit of sin. But now having been practically saved out of the pit of sin and practically washed by Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour, by God's grace, I am no longer a sinner.
However, from your comments, it is clear that you are yet in sin while claiming you have been theoretically washed that is why you think everyone is (Titus 1:15).
Is it not funny when the wilfully blind are trying to lead fellow blind?

FreedomfromtheT:
No sir.
We were all sinners. The difference is that while I and others have repented and been washed by the blood of the Lamb, some are yet in their sins (1st Corinthians 6:11).
It is obvious that both of us are talking out of personal experiences.
I was once in the pit of sin. But now having been practically saved out of the pit of sin and practically washed by Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour, by God's grace, I am no longer a sinner.
However, from your comments, it is clear that you are yet in sin while claiming you have been theoretically washed that is why you think everyone is (Titus 1:15).
Is it not funny when the wilfully blind are trying to lead fellow blind?

1 John 1:8

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us"

Apostle John was saved by the righteous sacrifice of Jesus Christ & he says that you are a confirmed LIAR.

Deluded slave of kumuyi

FreedomfromtheT:
So you now agree that a sinner is not a Christian and Christian is no longer a sinner.

Janosky:

1 John 1:8
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us"
Apostle John was saved by the righteous sacrifice of Jesus Christ & he says that you are a confirmed LIAR.
Deluded slave of kumuyi

Janosky:


The apostle John taught by Jesus Christ said you are LYING.
1 John 1:8.

If you were there when Jesus Christ said "he who is without sin should cast the first stone" so you go carry stone to stone that woman.

Oga,stop DECEIVING YOURSELF jare.

Janosky:


1 John 1:8

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us"

Apostle John was saved by the righteous sacrifice of Jesus Christ & he says that you are a confirmed LIAR.

Deluded slave of kumuyi

FreedomfromtheT:
You rejoice in your ignorance of justifying your sinfulness by misinterpreting the same Scriptures sent to instruct the saved Christian in righteousness (1st Timothy 3:16).
Why then was Jesus Christ born? (Mathew 1:21).
That you and other Jehovah's witnesses are not free from sin doesn't mean Christ has no power to set a sinner free from sinning. It doesn't also cancel what Christ has done in my life and in the lives of (tens of) millions of former sinners who are currently living on earth freed from sinning (Titus 2:11-14).
For your information, pastor Kumuyi was not the one who first preached and taught me that a Christian is no longer a sinner and a sinner is not yet a Christian. I have known this truth for long.
So you can take your Kumuyiphobia elsewhere.
Those who wish to continue in their sins while claiming religious superiority of their sect like you can continue in their conceit and delusion. It is their choice.
Those who on the other hand, desire to be set free from their burden of sin by Christ so as to escape from the wrath to come and live with God for ever are welcome to ask for it (1st Thessalonians 1:10; John 8:11; Mark 2:5; Matthew 7:7; 11:28; 5:8; Hebrews 12:14; Revelations 3:20).
Each of us is a free moral agent.
Our personal choice determines our eternal destiny.
Please choose right.

Colossians 3:13
" Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others."



Oga, delete this verse out of your Bible