To the pastors and biblical scholars out there, I have been wondering about where mentally incapacitated folks who don't have the awareness to make a decision to become born again go after their death? By mental incapacitation, I mean folks with acute autism, those we call "mad", cerebral palsy and any other mental illness you can think about. Thank you.

AndSunGorilla:
■ To the pastors and biblical scholars out there, I have been wondering about where mentally incapacitated folks who don't have the awareness to make a decision to become born again go after their death ? By mental incapacitation, I mean folks with acute autism, those we call "mad", cerebral palsy and any other mental illness you can think about. Thank you.

Everyone who is not born-again perishes in the grave; They cease to exist when they die.

But OP, why are you suddenly concerned about the fate of those who are unable to become born-again as a result of mental illness or some neurological disorder?

Kobojunkie:
Everyone who is not born-again perishes in the grave; They cease to exist when they die.

But OP, why are you suddenly concerned about the fate of those who are unable to become born-again as a result of mental illness or some neurological disorder?

Because I happen to have met and seen many chronic autistic folks sir.

AndSunGorilla:
■ Because I happen to have met and seen many chronic autistic folks sir.

1. Remember that it is only those who believe in Jesus Christ — are born-again — that have eternal life which they can then, in turn, spend in either eternal reward (Heaven) or eternal damnation(Hellfire) at the end. Basically, if you do not have eternal life, you cannot go to Heaven or Hellfire. And the only way to get that eternal life is by being born-again.

Kobojunkie:
1. Remember that it is only those who believe in Jesus Christ — are born-again — that have eternal life which they can then, in turn, spend in either eternal reward (Heaven) or eternal damnation(Hellfire) at the end. Basically, if you do not have eternal life, you cannot go to Heaven or Hellfire. And the only way to get that eternal life is by being born-again.

So does this mean those folks can't get eternal life and as such they are going to hell fire?

Where they belong before they got mad, and we know that no one with the spirit of God will go mad, and no one without the holy spirit will be saved.
If it is malaria madness or madness causedby gonoria? Those ones are ordinary sickness.
Are there people who are mad from birth? God will know why He allowed that, He doesn't make mistakes,

mbaise1000:
Where they belong before they got mad, and we know that no one with the spirit of God will go mad, and no one without the holy spirit will be saved.
If it is malaria madness or madness causedby gonoria? Those ones are ordinary sickness.
Are there people who are mad from birth? God will know why He allowed that, He doesn't make mistakes,

How about those with severe autism. Please note that cases of autism usually manifest from childhood.

AndSunGorilla:
■ So does this mean those folks can't get eternal life and as such they are going to hell fire?

How can they get eternal life when according to you they don't have the wherewithal to become born-again, to begin with? And Hellfire is only for those who are born-again.

AndSunGorilla:

So does this mean those folks can't get eternal life and as such they are going to hell fire?

No one will be judged by what they haven't heard of, that is why Jesus said that the gospel will get to the end of the world before the end comes,
Since a mad person or mentally unstable person cannot be entitled to their opinion then they cannot be condemned for their actions, so it will be the condition they were when they become mad that will determine their fate

mbaise1000:
■ Where they belong before they got mad, and we know that no one with the spirit of God will go mad, and no one without the holy spirit will be saved.
■ If it is malaria madness or madness causedby gonoria? Those ones are ordinary sickness. Are there people who are mad from birth? God will know why He allowed that, He doesn't make mistakes,

1. God said, from dust you were made..." meaning no one existed before they were conceived in the womb - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24

2. God cursed the process of childbearing meaning it is possible for some to be born disconnected from birth.

mbaise1000:
■ No one will be judged by what they haven't heard of, that is why Jesus said that the gospel will get to the end of the world before the end comes, Since a mad person or mentally unstable person cannot be entitled to their opinion then they cannot be condemned for their actions, so it will be the condition they were when they become mad that will determine their fate

This is wrong! God condemned all those who do not believe to perish in the grave from after Adam's fall - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24 - meaning even one who is born an imbe_cile is condemned to perish in the grave from the moment he is born. That is the fate of all men. However, if a man decides to become born-again, such a one obtains eternal life as salvation from the condemnation instituted by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24 - with the newly available ends being Heaven or Hellfire for him.

mbaise1000:

No one will be judged by what they haven't heard of, that is why Jesus said that the gospel will get to the end of the world before the end comes,
Since a mad person or mentally unstable person cannot be entitled to their opinion then they cannot be condemned for their actions, so it will be the condition they were when they become mad that will determine their fate

Thanks boss, so does this mean folks who haven't heard the gospel are exempt from hell fire? For example, there's one tribe in India completely shut out from civilization, we had Koma Hills in Nigeria before they were found in the 90s. Also, you haven't really addressed my question about people with mental disability or disorders from a young age. Respectfully sir, there are people born with mental disabilities, am not referring to folks who are considered "mad".

This topic has been treated here before, they go straight to heaven.

Blakjewelry:
■ This topic has been treated here before, they go straight to heaven.

Not the Heaven in the Kingdom of God which Jesus Christ made clear that no man can gain access to except he be born-again, right?

3 Jesus answered, “I assure you, everyone must be born again. Anyone who is not born again cannot be in God’s kingdom.” - John 3 vs 3

AndSunGorilla:
■ Thanks boss, so does this mean folks who haven't heard the gospel are exempt from hell fire? For example, there's one tribe in India completely shut out from civilization, we had Koma Hills in Nigeria before they were found in the 90s. Also, you haven't really addressed my question about people with mental disability or disorders from a young age. Respectfully sir, there are people born with mental disabilities, am not referring to folks who are considered "mad".

Look, scripture is simple. If you are not born-again, you cannot end up in the Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ explained that Heaven and Hell-fire are both eventual ends in - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. If you reason that carefully, you will see that the answer to your many other questions has been provided to you by Jesus Christ over 1000 years ago. Just that you refuse to accept His answer is all.

Blakjewelry:
This topic has been treated here before, they go straight to heaven.

Thanks boss. If you have the time, could you kindly summarize why and how that conclusion was formed.

Madness is malfunctioning of the brain and it's no good questioning the actions of an insane.

God promised to remember the dead and raise them back to life in perfect health {Job 14:13-15} but the insane only has people who likes them due to their good deeds before they ran insane.
So in Paradise where God promised to remove tears from the eyes of His loyal ones therefore He will bring back our dead loved ones who died as blind, lame, deaf, dumb and insanes to turn our sorrow to joy! Revelations 21:3-5

AndSunGorilla:

Thanks boss. If you have the time, could you kindly summarize why and how that conclusion was formed.

a man cannot be held responsible for his actions unless you want to judge him by his actions before he went mad which again presents another set of questions.

Kobojunkie:
Not the Heaven in the Kingdom of God which Jesus Christ made clear that no man can gain access to except he be born-again, right?

What if the mad man was born again before he went mad or what if he was to be a born again before he went mad.

Blakjewelry:
a man cannot be held responsible for his actions unless you want to judge him by his actions actions which again presents another set of questions.

Seems you need to modify your response, I think you might have meant to say inaction at some point.

Blakjewelry:
■ What if the mad man was born again before he went mad or what if he was to be a born again before he went mad.

It is good to have an understanding of what it means to be born-again before we proceed further. You will at the following link what it entails to be born-again. Surely, anyone who is able to achieve that cannot be classified as imbe_cile aka mad.

Kobojunkie:
It is good to have an understanding of what it means to be born-again before we proceed further. You will at the following link what it entails to be born-again. Surely, anyone who is able to achieve that cannot be classified as imbe_cile aka mad.

Someone who had a head injury or some sort of disease can go insane even traumatic experience can make one insane so why do you say a born again cannot be classified as Insane aka mad.

AndSunGorilla:

Seems you need to modify your response, I think you might have meant to say inaction at some point.

Done I guess my brain was faster than my hand.

Blakjewelry:
■ Someone who had a head injury or some sort of disease can go insane even traumatic experience can make one insane so why do you say a born again cannot be classified as Insane aka mad.

Do you mean to have a traumatic experience after becoming born-again i.e. born of the Spirit of Eternal Life(God's very own spirit)?

Kobojunkie:
Do you mean to have a traumatic experience after becoming born-again i.e. born of the Spirit of Eternal Life(God's very own spirit)?

the spirit lives in the body, the body is subject to all the physical effect of the the world.

Blakjewelry:
the spirit lives in the body, the body is subject to all the physical effect of the the world.

A born-again individual is one who is born of God's very own Spirit of Eternal Life --- He literally possess such a person, which is what Jesus Christ said in John 3 vs 8. Are you insinuating that the Spirit of Eternal Life would allow a body which it possess to experience such trauma that would it cause the soul living in it to loose all ability to even reason its fate?

AndSunGorilla:

Thanks boss, so does this mean folks who haven't heard the gospel are exempt from hell fire? For example, there's one tribe in India completely shut out from civilization, we had Koma Hills in Nigeria before they were found in the 90s. Also, you haven't really addressed my question about people with mental disability or disorders from a young age. Respectfully sir, there are people born with mental disabilities, am not referring to folks who are considered "mad".

God doesn't make mistakes, God can never judge you for what you did not hear about, what of children who died at birth without knowing right or wrong, which God will put those in hell, for what? This is the same case with those who were born with mental disabilities, but for those who went mad after knowing right and wrong the point at which they become mad is like the point they died if they never recovered from that madness, what they will be judged is the state they are at the point the madness started, the bible did say that we should be ready at all times, so they will be judged by their actions before then if they did not make peace with God before madness.
Those that haven't heard about Jesus will not be judged because, Jesus said to His disciples, go and spread this gospel to the end s of the earth, those that HEARD and are baptized shall be SAVED. Those set of people you mentioned are like those before Jesus who didn't hrlear about Jesus, did they all go to hell? NO
THEN LIKE I SAID EARLIER, God knows everyone of us even BEFORE we were born, He knows THOSE who will accept the gospel and those who will not accept, so if a child dies without knowing right and wrong, God who created it is aware and knows what to do, but once you have heard, and rejected you don't have any excuse again.
I want to believe that those tribes in India who were shut out from civilization can Access the internet and phone now, there most be messengers that are talking to them now

Kobojunkie:
This is wrong! God condemned all those who do not believe to perish in the grave from after Adam's fall - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24 - meaning even one who is born an imbe_cile is condemned to perish in the grave from the moment he is born. That is the fate of all men. However, if a man decides to become born-again, such a one obtains eternal life as salvation from the condemnation instituted by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24 - with the newly available ends being Heaven or Hellfire for him.

You got it wrong, if it's as you say then, there is no hope for man, why then did Jesus come and what DID he achieve? What you quoted in Gen 3:19-24 is about what God said to Adam as he disobeyed Him, you can see that there is no where God said there that ""but if they live right as you say that those that do good or born again will receive life, so check your understanding ABOUT that again and. Adjust to the reality,. The truth.

mbaise1000:


God doesn't make mistakes, God can never judge you for what you did not hear about, what of children who died at birth without knowing right or wrong, which God will put those in hell, for what? This is the same case with those who were born with mental disabilities, but for those who went mad after knowing right and wrong the point at which they become mad is like the point they died if they never recovered from that madness, what they will be judged is the state they are at the point the madness started, the bible did say that we should be ready at all times, so they will be judged by their actions before then if they did not make peace with God before madness.
Those that haven't heard about Jesus will not be judged because, Jesus said to His disciples, go and spread this gospel to the end s of the earth, those that HEARD and are baptized shall be SAVED. Those set of people you mentioned are like those before Jesus who didn't hrlear about Jesus, did they all go to hell? NO
THEN LIKE I SAID EARLIER, God knows everyone of us even BEFORE we were born, He knows THOSE who will accept the gospel and those who will not accept, so if a child dies without knowing right and wrong, God who created it is aware and knows what to do, but once you have heard, and rejected you don't have any excuse again.
I want to believe that those tribes in India who were shut out from civilization can Access the internet and phone now, there most be messengers that are talking to them now

Thanks boss, that tribe is completely shut off from civilization sir, it was reported that the last person who tried to get there like 3 to 4 years ago was shot at with an arrow and killed.

Kobojunkie:
1. God said, from dust you were made..." meaning no one existed before they were conceived in the womb - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24

2. God cursed the process of childbearing meaning it is possible for some to be born disconnected from birth.

God saying that a woman will suffer during childbirth is not cursing the process of childbirth, it's the punishment He gave to woman for disobeying Him, remember what he said to the woman """"' BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE THIS........""''"'
HOW WILL HE CURSE CHILD-BEARING WHEN HE TOLD THEM TO GO AND MULTIPLY?

AndSunGorilla:

How about those with severe autism. Please note that cases of autism usually manifest from childhood.

Yes we are talking of anyone who for whatever reason can't differentiate between right and wrong, it's like someone with epilepsy that can drag them to fire, does THOSE ones want to born themselves?, Jesus said that THE BASES OF JUDGEMENT IS THAT LIGHT CAME BUT MAN PREFERRED DARKNESS, it's the one that heard and understood and refuse to accept that will be condemned

AndSunGorilla:

Thanks boss, that tribe is completely shut off from civilization sir, it was reported that the last person who tried to get there like 3 to 4 years ago was shot at with an arrow and killed.

Which means that they haven't heard about JESUS CHRIST, God is a God of justice, what will they be accused if? Jesus said that THE BASES OF JUDGEMENT IS THAT LIGHT CAME BUT MAN PREFERRED DARKNESS, apparently these people has not heard of that light