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Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 6:29pm On Jun 19, 2023
I want to learn about the subgroup I'm from, does anyone have sources i can reach online?
Re: Isuama Igbo by ChinenyeN(m): 4:38am On Jun 20, 2023
Isuama is not really a group (I stay away from the “subgroup” term) in the sense that say, Ngwa or Ikwerre are groups. Rather, Isuama is more like a culture complex. It’s a region of multiple groups that may share varying degrees of culture, but are still largely independent, both in their identity and culture.

You can think of “Isuama” as a region in the same way “southern Igbo” (Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Echie, Ikwerre, and related groups) is a region.

Do you want to know more about your specific community (or related communities, if documented information is not readily available) or just general info on the Isuama cultural complex?

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 7:42am On Jun 20, 2023
ChinenyeN:
Isuama is not really a group (I stay away from the “subgroup” term) in the sense that say, Ngwa or Ikwerre are groups. Rather, Isuama is more like a culture complex. It’s a region of multiple groups that may share varying degrees of culture, but are still largely independent, both in their identity and culture.

You can think of “Isuama” as a region in the same way “southern Igbo” (Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Echie, Ikwerre, and related groups) is a region.

Do you want to know more about your specific community (or related communities, if documented information is not readily available) or just general info on the Isuama cultural complex?

I see, i'd like to know more about my specific community, im from mbieri, just north of owere itself
Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 7:58pm On Jun 21, 2023
ChinenyeN:
Isuama is not really a group (I stay away from the “subgroup” term) in the sense that say, Ngwa or Ikwerre are groups. Rather, Isuama is more like a culture complex. It’s a region of multiple groups that may share varying degrees of culture, but are still largely independent, both in their identity and culture.

You can think of “Isuama” as a region in the same way “southern Igbo” (Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Echie, Ikwerre, and related groups) is a region.

Do you want to know more about your specific community (or related communities, if documented information is not readily available) or just general info on the Isuama cultural complex?

How are Ikwerre Southern Igbo?

Is it origin,language genetics or what ??
What makes them Igbo?

That is wishful thinking and projection

Ikwerre repeatedly tell you they are not Igbo is it by force?

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Re: Isuama Igbo by ChinenyeN(m): 3:07am On Jun 22, 2023
Gajagojo:
How are Ikwerre Southern Igbo?

Is it origin,language genetics or what ??
What makes them Igbo?

That is wishful thinking and projection

Ikwerre repeatedly tell you they are not Igbo is it by force?

If you want this sort of discourse, go back to the Politics section, and find someone there who will be happy to engage you.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by ChinenyeN(m): 3:11am On Jun 22, 2023
Maazieze:
I see, i'd like to know more about my specific community, im from mbieri, just north of owere itself

I don't know if you are based in the U.S. or not, but there is a relatively large Mbieri community. I do not know about now, but before they used to have an active national association with several chapters across the U.S. If you are based in the U.S., I might encourage you to see the nearest chapter you can find and join. Alternatively, if the nearest chapter is too far away, then you can try attending an annual association convention (if they are still having it).

On the other hand, if you are based in Naija, then there should be a handful of Mbieri Youth Associations or an Mbieri Development Union in larger cities like Lagos and Abuja. There will definitely be on in Owerri (and maybe Aba and Umuahia).

These two ways are probably the best way to get more info. It will be coming directly from your people and will give you a basis to do more research to analyze and corroborate or dismiss the things they share with you.

That said, earlier in my research days, I did research Mbieri, but there was not much I could find. I am especially still looking for two documents.

1. The History of my Clan, Mbiere by someone named A. Uzoukwu.
2. Mbieri Traditions of Origin and Socio-Political Organization by Professor C. Ugorji

Anyhow, those two documents notwithstanding, I have a few things in my DropBox. I've organized them for you to access here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/be1gwxxkjvrsfb3o05n3j/h?dl=0&rlkey=ybkrqkozjgl8fsv75475xgi1v

The documents I've gathered may not be much, but I hope they can at least give you a basis to start. By the way, one of the documents is written in Igbo. I do not know how comfortable you are with reading/writing Igbo, so it might take some time to read and digest the document.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by RedboneSmith(m): 4:42am On Jun 22, 2023
Gajagojo:


How are Ikwerre Southern Igbo?

Is it origin,language genetics or what ??
What makes them Igbo?

That is wishful thinking and projection

Ikwerre repeatedly tell you they are not Igbo is it by force?

Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush....
Re: Isuama Igbo by RedboneSmith(m): 4:52am On Jun 22, 2023
ChinenyeN:


I don't know if you are based in the U.S. or not, but there is a relatively large Mbieri community. I do not know about now, but before they used to have an active national association with several chapters across the U.S. If you are based in the U.S., I might encourage you to see the nearest chapter you can find and join. Alternatively, if the nearest chapter is too far away, then you can try attending an annual association convention (if they are still having it).

On the other hand, if you are based in Naija, then there should be a handful of Mbieri Youth Associations or an Mbieri Development Union in larger cities like Lagos and Abuja. There will definitely be on in Owerri (and maybe Aba and Umuahia).

These two ways are probably the best way to get more info. It will be coming directly from your people and will give you a basis to do more research to analyze and corroborate or dismiss the things they share with you.

That said, earlier in my research days, I did research Mbieri, but there was not much I could find. I am especially still looking for two documents.

1. The History of my Clan, Mbiere by someone named A. Uzoukwu.
2. Mbieri Traditions of Origin and Socio-Political Organization by Professor C. Ugorji

Anyhow, those two documents notwithstanding, I have a few things in my DropBox. I've organized them for you to access here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/be1gwxxkjvrsfb3o05n3j/h?dl=0&rlkey=ybkrqkozjgl8fsv75475xgi1v

The documents I've gathered may not be much, but I hope they can at least give you a basis to start. By the way, one of the documents is written in Igbo. I do not know how comfortable you are with reading/writing Igbo, so it might take some time to read and digest the document.

Sorry to butt in. In one of the documents in the dropbox, a screenshot of a page from a book, I saw where it said that Amaigbo was a pilgrimage centre for some communities in Isuama area, and even parts of Igboland further south. Is there any more information you can share in this pilgrimage? Why, Amaigbo? What was the nature of this pilgrimage? Did people really come from as far as Ngwa to worship Ala at Amaigbo?

What is the name of the book the screenshot was taken from? Looks like it might make interesting reading.
Re: Isuama Igbo by ChinenyeN(m): 6:45am On Jun 22, 2023
RedboneSmith, no worries nwane.

RedboneSmith:
What is the name of the book the screenshot was taken from? Looks like it might make interesting reading.

I should have added this information in either the filename or something. My apologies. The book is "Traditions of Igbo Origin" by Professor John Oriji.

RedboneSmith:
In one of the documents in the dropbox, a screenshot of a page from a book, I saw where it said that Amaigbo was a pilgrimage centre for some communities in Isuama area, and even parts of Igboland further south. Is there any more information you can share in this pilgrimage? Why, Amaigbo? What was the nature of this pilgrimage?

Oriji is the only writer that I have seen mention the pilgrimages in such a way, but did not delve into the nature of the pilgrimage except to mention some shared ritual practices. I have added an additional picture in my DropBox of that section of the book for context.

I myself have attempted to search for other mentions of this pilgrimage, but have not come across any additional sources. So I am not able to confirm if it was widespread, nor am I able to confirm the religious relevance of it relative to the Igbo-speaking area at large. Oriji makes it seem as though Amaigbo was a center with similar revered status as say Nri or Aro for the local and non-local community. Nothing I have so far come across actually supports that.

As I understand it, Amaigbo is recognized as one of (if not the most) prominent cultural center for the Isu. Amaigbo became that cultural center for them, either by virtue of seniority or migration (supposedly much of Isuama is populated by expansions from Orlu axis) or some long forgotten cultural consensus. From what I've read as well, Amaigbo has highly developed ritual practices. It makes much more sense to me that the Isu community (regardless of how far they expanded) might have tried their best to maintain those ritual and cultural practices, even if it meant traveling to the cultural center. It would, after all, be a core part of their cultural identity, and with highly developed rituals like that, human behavior (like pilgrimages) is not unheard of. This makes sense to me, especially since I have not seen any other writers mention these "pilgrimages" with the same emphasis that Oriji seems to give it.

By the way, Oriji was basing his position off the work done by Afigbo. In "Outline of Igbo History," Afigbo makes mention of communities that still maintain cultural links with Amaigbo despite being settled so far away.

RedboneSmith:
Did people really come from as far as Ngwa to worship Ala at Amaigbo?

Supposedly, yes, but they weren't Ngwa. Supposedly between 1600s and 1800s, there was an influx of people coming in from beyond the Ahiara, Ezilihitte, Nguru axis. For Ngwa people, the Ahiara, Ezilihitte, Nguru axis is called "Ohnuhnu". The area (and people) beyond the Ohnuhnu axis used to be called "Isoma." According to oral tradition from Amaumara (a community in Ezilihitte), Isoma people used to pay Amaumara ferrymen to cross the Imo and also pay for protection while attempting to find a place to settle in the Ngwa region. Their presence was not entirely welcomed at the time, hence the need for protection. Other communities did similarly, but Amaumara was more prominently known for helping Isoma cross and settle.

As an aside: The influx of people during this period was so notable that Ngwa people started jokingly calling the migrants "Ohnuhnu" in reference so the fact that they all were seemingly making their way through the "Ohnuhnu" axis to settle in the region. The new nomenclature stuck, and that's how "Ohnuhnu" came to be used to refer to non-Ngwa people and things.

Anyhow, members of some of these migrant communities were sometimes known to travel back through the Ohnuhnu axis. I am not sure what the relevance of the journeys were. It is not something that is actively discussed in Ngwa, but it is recollected. According to work done by A. G. Leonard, one such community (among others) was Umuduru in Mbutu Ngwa. They are still remembered as having migrated specifically from Amaigbo area and to likely have made such journeys in precolonial times. I do not know if they will still claim to have done so now though. I doubt. They likely no longer maintain an Isu identity. In any case, Umuduru and a few other communities with known migration from the Isuama region supposedly used to make those journeys.

My educated guess would be that even after settling in Ngwa, communities like Umuduru might have still considered themselves Isu, and with strong cultural identity like that, they might have reasonably made such a journey (or pilgrimage) to their ancestral cultural center, Amaigbo.

It is important to note here that Oriji is himself Ngwa. His view on this could be coming from that lens. As an Ngwa person, it is no secret that there was a notable influx of people coming from far away places like Amaigbo. To know that they would also occasionally venture back to Amaigbo for ritual practices might seem, to the eyes of an Ngwa native, like a pilgrimage in the religious or revered sense of the word.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 7:11am On Jun 22, 2023
RedboneSmith:


Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush....

In other words you lack a coherent response.
Took time-consuming your posts

Omniscient Asserter in Chief,inn a self constructed. Echo chamber.

My point is simple

Ikwerre say they are not Igbo
Mention any other "Igbo" group you know that put in an appearance in at the Willinks commission

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 8:23am On Jun 22, 2023
ChinenyeN:


I don't know if you are based in the U.S. or not, but there is a relatively large Mbieri community. I do not know about now, but before they used to have an active national association with several chapters across the U.S. If you are based in the U.S., I might encourage you to see the nearest chapter you can find and join. Alternatively, if the nearest chapter is too far away, then you can try attending an annual association convention (if they are still having it).

On the other hand, if you are based in Naija, then there should be a handful of Mbieri Youth Associations or an Mbieri Development Union in larger cities like Lagos and Abuja. There will definitely be on in Owerri (and maybe Aba and Umuahia).

These two ways are probably the best way to get more info. It will be coming directly from your people and will give you a basis to do more research to analyze and corroborate or dismiss the things they share with you.

That said, earlier in my research days, I did research Mbieri, but there was not much I could find. I am especially still looking for two documents.

1. The History of my Clan, Mbiere by someone named A. Uzoukwu.
2. Mbieri Traditions of Origin and Socio-Political Organization by Professor C. Ugorji

Anyhow, those two documents notwithstanding, I have a few things in my DropBox. I've organized them for you to access here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/be1gwxxkjvrsfb3o05n3j/h?dl=0&rlkey=ybkrqkozjgl8fsv75475xgi1v

The documents I've gathered may not be much, but I hope they can at least give you a basis to start. By the way, one of the documents is written in Igbo. I do not know how comfortable you are with reading/writing Igbo, so it might take some time to read and digest the document.


Thank you very much

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Re: Isuama Igbo by RedboneSmith(m): 4:52pm On Jun 22, 2023
ChinenyeN:
RedboneSmith, no worries nwane.



I should have added this information in either the filename or something. My apologies. The book is "Traditions of Igbo Origin" by Professor John Oriji.



Oriji is the only writer that I have seen mention the pilgrimages in such a way, but did not delve into the nature of the pilgrimage except to mention some shared ritual practices. I have added an additional picture in my DropBox of that section of the book for context.

I myself have attempted to search for other mentions of this pilgrimage, but have not come across any additional sources. So I am not able to confirm if it was widespread, nor am I able to confirm the religious relevance of it relative to the Igbo-speaking area at large. Oriji makes it seem as though Amaigbo was a center with similar revered status as say Nri or Aro for the local and non-local community. Nothing I have so far come across actually supports that.

As I understand it, Amaigbo is recognized as one of (if not the most) prominent cultural center for the Isu. Amaigbo became that cultural center for them, either by virtue of seniority or migration (supposedly much of Isuama is populated by expansions from Orlu axis) or some long forgotten cultural consensus. From what I've read as well, Amaigbo has highly developed ritual practices. It makes much more sense to me that the Isu community (regardless of how far they expanded) might have tried their best to maintain those ritual and cultural practices, even if it meant traveling to the cultural center. It would, after all, be a core part of their cultural identity, and with highly developed rituals like that, human behavior (like pilgrimages) is not unheard of. This makes sense to me, especially since I have not seen any other writers mention these "pilgrimages" with the same emphasis that Oriji seems to give it.

By the way, Oriji was basing his position off the work done by Afigbo. In "Outline of Igbo History," Afigbo makes mention of communities that still maintain cultural links with Amaigbo despite being settled so far away.



Supposedly, yes, but they weren't Ngwa. Supposedly between 1600s and 1800s, there was an influx of people coming in from beyond the Ahiara, Ezilihitte, Nguru axis. For Ngwa people, the Ahiara, Ezilihitte, Nguru axis is called "Ohnuhnu". The area (and people) beyond the Ohnuhnu axis used to be called "Isoma." According to oral tradition from Amaumara (a community in Ezilihitte), Isoma people used to pay Amaumara ferrymen to cross the Imo and also pay for protection while attempting to find a place to settle in the Ngwa region. Their presence was not entirely welcomed at the time, hence the need for protection. Other communities did similarly, but Amaumara was more prominently known for helping Isoma cross and settle.

As an aside: The influx of people during this period was so notable that Ngwa people started jokingly calling the migrants "Ohnuhnu" in reference so the fact that they all were seemingly making their way through the "Ohnuhnu" axis to settle in the region. The new nomenclature stuck, and that's how "Ohnuhnu" came to be used to refer to non-Ngwa people and things.

Anyhow, members of some of these migrant communities were sometimes known to travel back through the Ohnuhnu axis. I am not sure what the relevance of the journeys were. It is not something that is actively discussed in Ngwa, but it is recollected. According to work done by A. G. Leonard, one such community (among others) was Umuduru in Mbutu Ngwa. They are still remembered as having migrated specifically from Amaigbo area and to likely have made such journeys in precolonial times. I do not know if they will still claim to have done so now though. I doubt. They likely no longer maintain an Isu identity. In any case, Umuduru and a few other communities with known migration from the Isuama region supposedly used to make those journeys.

My educated guess would be that even after settling in Ngwa, communities like Umuduru might have still considered themselves Isu, and with strong cultural identity like that, they might have reasonably made such a journey (or pilgrimage) to their ancestral cultural center, Amaigbo.

It is important to note here that Oriji is himself Ngwa. His view on this could be coming from that lens. As an Ngwa person, it is no secret that there was a notable influx of people coming from far away places like Amaigbo. To know that they would also occasionally venture back to Amaigbo for ritual practices might seem, to the eyes of an Ngwa native, like a pilgrimage in the religious or revered sense of the word.

Thanks a great deal for all this information as well as the additional file. I'll try and see if I can get Oriji's book.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 1:26am On Jun 23, 2023
[quote author=RedboneSmith post=123967580]

[quote author=ChinenyeN post=123954834]

Another question is have, do any of you have sources about the Igbo federal/state union?

Also are you guys available on discord? I collate igbo history sources i find their along with other people interested in history
Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 9:14am On Jun 23, 2023
ChinenyeN:


If you want this sort of discourse, go back to the Politics section, and find someone there who will be happy to engage you.
What sort of discourse exactly .?one that challenges. Cultural imperialism?

I am.only interested in one question you can evade all you like

How are Ikwerre Southern Igbo is it genetic origin language or what exactly.
What exactly is an Igbo group . That distinguishes it from an Ogoni group.
Ikwerre speak a distinct language not Igbo so what makes them an Igbo group?

Ikwerre ha v repeatedly said they are not Igbo

Kindly tell of all those groups that you know that acknowledge they are Igbo which one put in an appearance at the Willinks commission?

You do not have to answer me and honestly I don't expect an answer

With regard to type of discourse you are being a hypocrite.

What type of discourse is this?

RedboneSmith:


Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush....


You cannot be judge and jury
If Ikwerre say they are not Igbo you cannot insist your oral tradition is superior to theirs

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Re: Isuama Igbo by RedboneSmith(m): 9:37am On Jun 23, 2023
Gajagojo:

What sort of discourse exactly .?one that challenges. Cultural imperialism?

I am.only interested in one question you can evade all you like

How are Ikwerre Southern Igbo is it genetic origin language or what exactly.
What exactly is an Igbo group . That distinguishes it from an Ogoni group.
Ikwerre speak a distinct language not Igbo so what makes them an Igbo group?

Ikwerre ha v repeatedly said they are not Igbo

Kindly tell of all those groups that you know that acknowledge they are Igbo which one put in an appearance at the Willinks commission?

You do not have to answer me and honestly I don't expect an answer

With regard to type of discourse you are being a hypocrite.

What type of discourse is this?




You cannot be judge and jury
If Ikwerre say they are not Igbo you cannot insist your oral tradition is superior to theirs

Boy, you're reeeally desperate to have this conversation. You tagged me once yesterday, I didn't respond. You woke up this morning and had to tag me again. Even though I literally said nothing other than to sing a nursery rhyme for you. 😂

ChinenyeN and I are obviously not interested in indulging in this overflogged and long-stale debate. Take his suggestion and jump over to the politics section. You'll find plenty people there to entertain you. And this is me hoping I will get no further mentions from you on this subject.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 9:50am On Jun 23, 2023
RedboneSmith:


Boy, you're reeeally desperate to have this conversation. You tagged me once yesterday, I didn't respond. You woke up this morning and had to tag me again. Even though I literally said nothing other than to sing a nursery rhyme for you. 😂

ChinenyeN and I are obviously not interested in indulging in this overflogged and long-stale debate. Take his suggestion and jump over to the politics section. You'll find plenty people there to entertain you. And this is me hoping I will get no further mentions from you on this subject.

Why do you call me boy ? Does that Make you feel big ?
I do wonder why you are speaking on behalf of another person are you him or this is just an alternative moniker
I am not prepared to have a conversation with you either never mind desperate so if that is mutual let us leave it at that
you don't quote me


You are a liar you quoted me first yesterday with your stupid rhyme
Let us agree to ignore each other

I promise not to quote you I have said all I need to say.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 11:30pm On Jun 23, 2023
ChinenyeN:
Isuama is not really a group (I stay away from the “subgroup” term) in the sense that say, Ngwa or Ikwerre are groups. Rather, Isuama is more like a culture complex. It’s a region of multiple groups that may share varying degrees of culture, but are still largely independent, both in their identity and culture.

You can think of “Isuama” as a region in the same way “southern Igbo” (Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Echie, Ikwerre, and related groups) is a region.

Do you want to know more about your specific community (or related communities, if documented information is not readily available) or just general info on the Isuama cultural complex?

Actually could i also get the info on the isuama cultural complex aswell?
Re: Isuama Igbo by BentizilL: 1:07am On Jun 24, 2023
ChinenyeN:
Isuama is not really a group (I stay away from the “subgroup” term) in the sense that say, Ngwa or Ikwerre are groups. Rather, Isuama is more like a culture complex. It’s a region of multiple groups that may share varying degrees of culture, but are still largely independent, both in their identity and culture.

You can think of “Isuama” as a region in the same way “southern Igbo” (Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Echie, Ikwerre, and related groups) is a region.

Do you want to know more about your specific community (or related communities, if documented information is not readily available) or just general info on the Isuama cultural complex?
Ikwere, ndoki are not Igbo...

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Re: Isuama Igbo by ChinenyeN(m): 4:07am On Jun 24, 2023
BentizilL, Gajagojo. The two of you must be relatively new to NL.

First Ikwerre, now Ndoki.
I laugh in Ngwa.

Anyhow, seeing as the two of you are relatively recent to NL, as a courtesy, I will just let you know that this topic has been spoken on and flogged to the point of fatigue. Many of us have little interest in rehashing this. If you still have an itch to scratch, please go to the politics section or just search old threads on NL.

I really have zero interest in saying more on this beyond this point. Thanks.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by ChinenyeN(m): 4:12am On Jun 24, 2023
Maazieze:
Actually could i also get the info on the isuama cultural complex aswell?

Yes, I am on Discord, though I don’t visit it often. Perhaps I have yet to find the right Discord server.

No problem. Give me a few days to collect what I have on the Isuama cultural complex and I will update you once their in the DropBox.

In fact, feel free to check the DropBox periodically, I will just simply endeavor to continue adding Isuama-related content as I encounter them.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 6:33am On Jun 24, 2023
ChinenyeN:
BentizilL, Gajagojo. The two of you must be relatively new to NL.

First Ikwerre, now Ndoki.
I laugh in Ngwa.

Anyhow, seeing as the two of you are relatively recent to NL, as a courtesy, I will just let you know that this topic has been spoken on and flogged to the point of fatigue. Many of us have little interest in rehashing this. If you still have an itch to scratch, please go to the politics section or just search old threads on NL.

I really have zero interest in saying more on this beyond this point. Thanks.
That observation whether true or not is not relevant to the issue raised . So you have not added value in any way .
Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 6:38am On Jun 24, 2023
BentizilL:

Ikwere, ndoki are not Igbo...
Actually. Ndoki are Igbo
Perhaps you mean Ndoni?
Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 10:05am On Jun 24, 2023
ChinenyeN:


Yes, I am on Discord, though I don’t visit it often. Perhaps I have yet to find the right Discord server.

No problem. Give me a few days to collect what I have on the Isuama cultural complex and I will update you once their in the DropBox.

In fact, feel free to check the DropBox periodically, I will just simply endeavor to continue adding Isuama-related content as I encounter them.

Ill send you an invite to the server im on, its called Kwenu time
Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 1:19pm On Jun 24, 2023
Gajagojo:

That observation whether true or not is not relevant to the issue raised . So you have not added value in any way .

Arent you being a hypocrite? Your bait argument didnt provide anything relevant to my thread.
Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 1:38pm On Jun 24, 2023
Maazieze:


Arent you being a hypocrite? Your bait argument didnt provide anything relevant to my thread.
You are the hypocrite because it not you would take issue with CHINENYEN saying Ikwerre n are Igbo .
You did not think it appropriate then to vomit your stupid sermon until I corrected him. Why because you are biased towards that agenda

You don't own the threat.

If you did you would have control so that is a foolish remark

The thread is a public forum and that means members of the public can contribute without explanation for ANY REASON whether in the public interest ,selfish interest of even mischief or entertainment

I am not in any way beholden to you

Do not deceive yourself you do not own the thread whether by way of copyright,control of traffic or editorial authority.
So in summary you are talking unintelligently
Your comment about me being new on Nairaland is daft. So what? What is your point ?
Who are you to decide or declare that the forum has heard enough of any subject?I
In your jingoistic wisdom it has not heard enough of
Ikwerre are Igbo but
When it is said
Ikwerre are not Igbo
is when You know those who are new to the forum
That is Igbo sense

You are an irrelevance capable of impotent mosquito noise and nothing else
Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 7:12pm On Jun 24, 2023
grin Im Glad im not as jobless as you.

I will copy your parents and neglect your nonsense, take it to the orphanage
Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 7:51pm On Jun 24, 2023
May 0Gun strike and inflict with incurable ailments within 7 days the one who has lower financial net worth

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Probz(m): 3:04am On Jun 25, 2023
Gajagojo:


How are Ikwerre Southern Igbo?

Is it origin,language genetics or what ??
What makes them Igbo?

That is wishful thinking and projection

Ikwerre repeatedly tell you they are not Igbo is it by force?

Ikwerre is more-or-less Igbo. That’s just a fact.

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Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 5:39am On Jun 25, 2023
Probz:


Ikwerre is more-or-less Igbo. That’s just a fact.

Ignore the guy, desperate for attention.

Do you have any sourced on Mbieri and the isuama cultural complex?
Re: Isuama Igbo by Maazieze(m): 5:52am On Jun 25, 2023
ChinenyeN:


Yes, I am on Discord, though I don’t visit it often. Perhaps I have yet to find the right Discord server.

No problem. Give me a few days to collect what I have on the Isuama cultural complex and I will update you once their in the DropBox.

In fact, feel free to check the DropBox periodically, I will just simply endeavor to continue adding Isuama-related content as I encounter them.

Idk how to send Dm on nairaland so ill just send you the link here
https://discord./zj97T4Xd

My tag is "Iwe eri"
Re: Isuama Igbo by Gajagojo: 6:56am On Jun 25, 2023
Probz:


Ikwerre is more-or-less Igbo. That’s just a fact.
That is what you want to believe .


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If you have any sense you would know where that will lead to so there really is no point to you quoting me.

I have exercised right to reply so that one perspective does not go unchallenged and I have nothing new to say
Re: Isuama Igbo by ChinenyeN(m): 5:55pm On Jun 26, 2023
Maazieze:


Idk how to send Dm on nairaland so ill just send you the link here
https://discord./zj97T4Xd

My tag is "Iwe eri"
I will send you a DM there once I join.

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