Abagworo:

I am totally against anything Ika in Anioma State.Those people are too tribalistic and anti-Igbo to be included in an Igbo State.They should either remain in Delta with Urhobo,Isoko and Itsekiri or join Edo State.The Aniocha,Ndokwa and Oshimili are the true Anioma.Ika inclusion should be based on vote because some towns might be worth being in Anioma.

They are constituting some minimum but big prob we are having with the proposed Anioma state. Imagine, if Anioma was to join the SE, this whole "we are not Igbo" would embarrass the SE It would be a tug of war in a way cause by a few knucleheads. This is why you dont hear the SE governments fighting for an Anioma state. They dont want a possible disunity amongst the SE.

Abagworo:

I am totally against anything Ika in Anioma State.Those people are too tribalistic and anti-Igbo to be included in an Igbo State.They should either remain in Delta with Urhobo,Isoko and Itsekiri or join Edo State.The Aniocha,Ndokwa and Oshimili are the true Anioma.Ika inclusion should be based on vote because some towns might be worth being in Anioma.

Relax101:

First I want PhysicsMFD to comment here.

Andre Uweh:

To the best of my knowledge, the Oza people do not agitate to join Edo.

Dede1:

@PhysicsQED, I read that some Bini princes have reiterated the fact the so-called Ijo are crewmen porters and migrant fishermen from distance place and had no iota of ancestral lineage with Bini as many goofy Nigerians had claimed.

I recall you smeared me in one of your previous posts on my stance that Ijo nation is a later day fantasy. It was shocker to read from your elaborated efforts that Ijo had no ancestral claim on Gelegele as Bini princes had stated.

@Post, it is a shame it took this long for the so-called Igbanke group to sniff reality of life from the tiny air. My people say that a person can not run away from his or her arse. There was a story on Samuel Ogbomudia who ran from Kaduna during the July 29, 1966 coup as he was being chased by Dimka and few drunken soldiers from the northern region of Nigeria. The story had it Ogbomudia ran passed his father’s compound, forgot his Bini connection and took refuge in Onicha. However during and after the civil war, he jolted his memory back and remembered his Bini links.

Any group such as Ika, Igbanke or Ikwerre which had cultural similarity with Ndigbo and had the audacity to publicly renounce such ancestral lineage with Ndigbo should not be allowed into the family fold of Ndigbo.     

Dede1:

@PhysicsQED, I read that some Bini princes have reiterated the fact the so-called Ijo are crewmen porters and migrant fishermen from distance place and had no iota of ancestral lineage with Bini as many goofy Nigerians had claimed.

I recall you smeared me in one of your previous posts on my stance that Ijo nation is a later day fantasy. It was shocker to read from your elaborated efforts that Ijo had no ancestral claim on Gelegele as Bini princes had stated.

@Post, it is a shame it took this long for the so-called Igbanke group to sniff reality of life from the tiny air. My people say that a person can not run away from his or her arse. There was a story on Samuel Ogbomudia who ran from Kaduna during the July 29, 1966 coup as he was being chased by Dimka and few drunken soldiers from the northern region of Nigeria. The story had it Ogbomudia ran passed his father’s compound, forgot his Bini connection and took refuge in Onicha. However during and after the civil war, he jolted his memory back and remembered his Bini links.

Any group such as Ika, Igbanke or Ikwerre which had cultural similarity with Ndigbo and had the audacity to publicly renounce such ancestral lineage with Ndigbo should not be allowed into the family fold of Ndigbo.     

PhysicsQED:

I think you are conflating unrelated things. I never said that Ijaw was not an ethnic group and what I criticized was the reading of certain documents to make claims about "Jos" just being a term used by certain Europeans to designate riverine people. None of this has any bearing on the fact that Gelegele is Bini land.

I have read the comments you are referring to by Bini titleholders and the gist of it is that some Ijaws migrated to Bini land and started making claims on land even though they are economic migrants, not owners of the land in question. They are not talking about what you are claiming (Ijaws not being a real ethnic group.)


There are, however, some speakers of Edoid languages among the Ijaws, and that may be one of the origins for the myth of Benin origin for Ijaws. Those communities could have spread that story to some extent.



When Ogbemudia ran from Dimka, I don't recall reading that he went to Onitsha. Maybe he did, but it would be better to provide details suggesting that he really did, rather than just saying that there is a story that he did. He seems to have come back to Benin from a northwesterly, not easterly, direction.

"Madiebo, Kalu, Okon, Ogbemudia and many others eventually escaped back to their home regions from Kaduna, while some, like Major Olusegun Obasanjo were later smuggled to Maiduguri for safe-keeping.  But others were not so lucky.  As  the days progressed, however, it was clear that there was inconsistency in the degree of discrimination being made between southerners or "jubilators".  T/Capt. L.C. Dilibe (Staff Officer, 1st Bde), T/Major Emelifonwu (DAQMG, 1st Bde) and T/Major  Ogunro (Chief Instructor, NMTC) were murdered.  Major A. Drummond, half cast Igbo-Scot, was killed on Sunday July 31st.  Major OU Isong  (Commander, 1st Recce Squadron) who had actually expressed scepticism about the January 15 coup, risking death at the hands of Major Nzeogwu, was also killed during the July rebellion in Kaduna, among others.  The details of his death have never been fully clarified but the young northern officers in his squadron at that time include Lts. Ibrahim Babangida, Garba Duba, Sunday Ifere and others.

After hitchhiking with Igbo contacts across the North, Madiebo escaped across the Benue bridge at Makurdi by hiding in a water tank dressed in a firesuit, avoiding capture by a detachment of the 5th battalion commanded by Captain Daramola during the penultimate leg of his relay race back home. Ogbemudia's escape from death at the hands of Lt. BS Dimka was partly made possible by Major Abba Kyari and Lt. Col. Hassan Katsina.  Hassan himself had allegedly been briefly detained by mutinous troops and then released, only to be falsely accused of being behind the whole plot (along with Ali Akilu).   It was already known that Dimka was not happy that Ogbemudia had arrested him earlier, although Dimka did not know that it had been sanctioned by Hassan who had his ears to the ground. When, therefore, Dimka was making plans to gather soldiers to seize him, and was talking carelessly about Ironsi's phone call and its implications, Ogbemudia was tipped off and advised in the nick of time to escape.   A landrover was immediately provided which Ogbemudia jumped into (armed with an SMG) and sped out of town (without bothering to pack) chased by a landrover load of northern soldiers led by the Lieutenant.   

Dimka's group pursued him to Kontagora where he refueled, barely eluding them at the fuel station. But they refused to give up, chasing him all the way to Jebba, crossing the Niger Bridge behind him, sometimes shooting.  They followed him all the way to Owo in present day Ondo State where he ran out of fuel, abandoned his vehicle and scaled a six foot fence into dense jungle.  At that point they gave up and began their journey back to Kaduna.  Ogbemudia later hitched hiked back to Benin City laying low for some time, moving from house to house until things cooled down. "


http://www.gamji.com/nowa/nowa28.htm

Dede1:

Bros, you do not need to regurgitate Nowa’s piece for me. Omoigui allowed sentiments to cloud his intellectual decency. Again Nowa’s write-ups are not gospel.

From Benin City he ran passed Agbor to Onicha.

Anybody who ran from Owo through Benin to Onicha must have passed his or her father’s compound if he or she is an Igbanke. 

Does it not look funny to you that a soldier of a high rank, a major for that matter, had to abandon a land rover while armed with SMG because he ran out of fuel?

PhysicsQED:

No, they are not gospel, but that does not mean that the particular section of the article that I quoted is necessarily false.



This is the part I"m not getting. Could you provide details about his going on foot from Benin City to Onicha?


Ogbemudia's father is not from Igbanke. His mother is from Igbanke.

No. I don't see why one man with one gun in a car would stop and face 3 or more men armed with guns if he couldn't find a place to refuel in order to get away. Being a soldier of a certain rank does not make one somehow impervious to bullets.

Dede1:

Whether his father or mother is Igbanke it makes no difference. Again, Ogbemudia’s pursuers knew it would be death sentence for them to chase him to Onicha because eastern region was no-go area for soldiers from northern region.

Remember it has been alleged that Dimka and his team of chasers followed Ogbemudia to Owo in present day Ondo State.

Why would you believe Ogbemudia hitch-hiked to Benin City from Owo and still insinuate he walked from Benin City to Onicha? Anyway, I am not surprised at your gullibility of Nowa’s postulations.

Relax101:

Physics, How do you explain people bearing Igbo name in Esan LG. I saw some names of Councillor from that part of Edo state and I stumbled on few Igbo names which I think shouldn't be from Esan because of its distance to Igbo speaking areas of Delta state.

Abeg use map show me. I wan learn some stuff from that area.

GAR3TH:

Anioma State  seriously Nigeria already has 36 cancers and you guys want to add a 37th. In a sane country everyone will be against state creation because it leads to less development. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM STATE CREATION ARE POLITICIANS.

Because in most states in nigeria about 70-80% of states budgets goes towards salaries. Leaving only 20-30% for actual development. Only Lagos state generates enough IGR for it to be sustainable and the other 35 states rely heavily on federal allocations.

When will these ediots who call themselves Nigerians, who call themselves humans realize that states are NOT created based on ETHNICITY but rather are created based on VIABILITY.

STOP CREATING THESE CANCERS, STOP CREATING THESE POINTLESS STATES AND STOP CREATING THESE EDIOTIC POLITICAL POSITIONS. I have had enough of this and yet we still have some moronic people who are for these states.

Seriously, are these people brain washed? Did these people go to school? I sorry but even a Five year old can do basic math. if X amount of funds goes toward state salaries and you create a new state whats the new result, 2x!!!!

You are now paying twice the amount of salaries for governing the same piece of land because you now have 2 state governing the original land and relativity the same amount of allocation.

Its common sense !!!!!!!! but you have people like the guy in the article brainwashing people on tribal and regional thoughts so he can achieve his pointless goal on creating Anioma state.

Like I said before states are NOT created based on ETHNICITY but rather are created based on VIABILITY.

Anioma state will just be like the other pointless state creations in nigeria who cant even pay a simple minimum wage nor do the have the budget for development.

Whats the definition of insanity, When you do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

PhysicsQED:

Could you elaborate more on the parts in red?

In a sane country everyone will be against state creation because it leads to less development.

PhysicsQED:

Could you elaborate more on the parts in red?

Because in most states in nigeria about 70-80% of states budgets goes towards salaries. Leaving only 20-30% for actual development.

ekt_bear:

I do agree with your overall point though, that the less states the better. Cheaper to have one governor than 6. 2 senators for the SW than 12 (or is it 3 per state in naija?)

But this must be balanced against self-determination.

Cost of gov't should be minimized yes, but subject to certain constraints.

GAR3TH:

Anioma State  seriously Nigeria already has 36 cancers and you guys want to add a 37th. In a sane country everyone will be against state creation because it leads to less development. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM STATE CREATION ARE POLITICIANS.

Because in most states in nigeria about 70-80% of states budgets goes towards salaries. Leaving only 20-30% for actual development. Only Lagos state generates enough IGR for it to be sustainable and the other 35 states rely heavily on federal allocations.

When will these ediots who call themselves Nigerians, who call themselves humans realize that states are NOT created based on ETHNICITY but rather are created based on VIABILITY.

STOP CREATING THESE CANCERS, STOP CREATING THESE POINTLESS STATES AND STOP CREATING THESE EDIOTIC POLITICAL POSITIONS. I have had enough of this and yet we still have some moronic people who are for these states.

Seriously, are these people brain washed? Did these people go to school? I sorry but even a Five year old can do basic math. if X amount of funds goes toward state salaries and you create a new state whats the new result, 2x!!!!

You are now paying twice the amount of salaries for governing the same piece of land because you now have 2 state governing the original land and relativity the same amount of allocation.

Its common sense !!!!!!!! but you have people like the guy in the article brainwashing people on tribal and regional thoughts so he can achieve his pointless goal on creating Anioma state.

Like I said before states are NOT created based on ETHNICITY but rather are created based on VIABILITY.

Anioma state will just be like the other pointless state creations in nigeria who cant even pay a simple minimum wage nor do the have the budget for development.

Whats the definition of insanity, When you do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.