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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth00: 3:49pm On Oct 09, 2023
creativehubb:

No Yoruba names or prince here. That information you have is false.

Even Ogiso Obagodo who was the first Ogiso who established the Ogiso dynasty was an Ife man with a Yoruba Name

Obagodo means the Oba of Igodo

Eweka is a Corruption of the Yoruba word Owomika which means I have mastered it

Oba Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Benin and Oranmiyan is a Yoruba Name

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by EmperorCaesar(m): 3:52pm On Oct 09, 2023
Sergio103:


People that gave Yoruba a history to save face.

If you know, you know


He asked "whats special about them"?

How does this your comment make the Benin Arts or culture sound intriguing to an average mind?

Sometimes, I wonder if Yorubas torment u in your dreams cheesy cheesy

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by creativehubb: 3:53pm On Oct 09, 2023
Christistruth00:


Even Ogiso Obagodo who was the first Ogiso who established the Ogiso dynasty was an Ife man with a Yoruba Name

Obagodo means the Oba of Igodo

Eweka is a Corruption of the Yoruba world Owomika which means I have mastered it
Okay but you know there was an ogodomigodo dynasty before the ogiso right?

I respect yorubas my man, South South and southwest are the greatest regions in Nigeria, these two regions make Nigeria thick, both economically and resources wise. I know we have an affinity, but what I want to establish is, the Benin people had their own different progenitors, the Benin people made themselves, created their kingship and dynasty, the 'oba' title was borrowed from the Benin people and used in Yoruba kingship today...oba' a tokpe e' Is'e... Benin people established themselves and were conquerors, it's impossible that anyone ruled them, they were the ones conquering people and lands. Benin people were prominent in Lagos, even before the British came in here, trading with the Portuguese and collecting taxes from the aworis that met them here.

Obagodo do not sound like ogiso at all, Eweka does not sound like omowika at all, either in syntax or context/content. All you wrote are well crafted fables to suit a false narrative. Igodomigodo means sky gods, I remember on one of our folklores, the term 'ogiso a'ne', Ogiso is purely an Edo word...we have our own heritage, dynasty and empire built by the Benin people and spread out to southwest Lagos, down to Dahomey.

Benin and yorubas had different progenitors, the language are different, no common language, the rites, traditions are different, the music is different, the mannerisms are different, the folklores are different, even the myths, no similarities at all. If Yoruba ile'ife ever had that early connection with Benin empire like you claim, you will see several similarities and influences, but none. Yorubas do not understand any Edo language, Edo people don't understand Yoruba language, we don't share no common language. Yorubas and Benin are different as night and day.

God bless South South and south west, God bless Nigeria.

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth00: 3:57pm On Oct 09, 2023
creativehubb:

Okay but you know there was an ogodomigodo dynasty before the ogiso right?

I respect yorubas my man, I know we have an affinity. God bless South South and south west, God bless Nigeria.

No it was Ogiso Obagodo and his followers who founded Igodo and established the Ogiso dynasty there


The first Igodomigodo was in the Ado Ekiti Area
It was the 3rd Ogiso that moved Igodo to the pressnt Benin Area because of War

That is why till today the Yoruba call Benin people the Ado
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by creativehubb: 4:05pm On Oct 09, 2023
Christistruth00:


No it was Ogiso Obagodo and his followers who founded Igodo and established the Ogiso dynasty there


The first Igodomigodo was in the Ado Ekiti Area
It was the 3rd Ogiso that moved Igodo to the pressnt Benin Area because of War

That is why till today the Yoruba call Benin people the Ado
Now you are capping, the progenitors of Edos and Yoruba people are totally different. We are close but we are different, the cultures and all are different. Ogiso is an Edo name, I don't know how you mix it together with Obagodo...Like I said, I wouldn't take folklores so seriously, over time history is distorted to fit narratives. But I agree we have an affinity.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth00: 4:09pm On Oct 09, 2023
creativehubb:

Now you are capping, the progenitors of Edos and Yoruba people are totally different. We are close but we are different, the cultures and all are different. Like I said, I wouldn't take folklores so seriously, over time history is distorted to fit narratives. Peace.

The Ogiso dynasty and the present Oba Dynasty were of Ile Ife Origin
But majority of the people in their Kingdom were Aboriginal to the Local Area

The People of Ile Ife had a peculiar Kingship system which was exported to many outside areas through their nobles and Princes they united and organized many of the Autonomous Aboriginal people they met on ground into kingdoms that are still existing today

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by bjdon: 4:23pm On Oct 09, 2023
An ancient kingdom that was trading with Europeans while many other Africans were still walking around naked.
The inspiration for Marvel's Wakanda (If you doubt it listen to the dialogue between Michaël B Jordan and the lady in the British Museum in Black Panther)
Simply put Benin was the greatest empire in black Africa.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by creativehubb: 4:38pm On Oct 09, 2023
Christistruth00:


The Ogiso dynasty and the present Oba Dynasty were of Ile Ife Origin
But majority of the people in their Kingdom were Aboriginal to the Local Area

The People of Ile Ife had a peculiar Kingship system which was exported to many outside areas through their nobles and Princes they united and organized many of the Autonomous Aboriginal people they met on ground into kingdoms that are still existing today

Lies...where is the source for this, I like to see it, an independent source. Anybody can say and write anything...But Edo and Yoruba were never one or intermixed like you claim, no sign or proof of this. You might know the history up to an extent, then you started spiting what your folks told you. No need to argue about this though, believe what you want, but I know the yorubas have nothing to do with our kingship and dynasty. The tradition and language is very different...if there had such early interactions, the yorubas culture and language would influence ours not vice versa, British influenced Nigeria because they lorded over us at a point, we speak English and have English names, the Cameroun people have french names etc. Edo people have several indegenous language and non sounds like Yoruba language, no Yoruba understand any of our language, our names are very different, symbols are different, arts very different.

The Benin Prince going to Ile'ife story, becoming a ruler there and exporting the oba title to the yorubas, is more feasible, because some streets of Lagos, like Idumagbo is Edo name, Osa means forest in Edo language (etiosa), the Oba of Benin used to have a shrine in a street I stayed in Lagos, and thirdly Benin emissaries use to collect toll somewhere around Lagos island. When the Erelu dosunmu was interviewed she said she was Benin, based on her ancestry(she knows the difference between the two, not same like you claim)...If they were so knitted as you claim, then you would have seen a lot of Edo people in Ile ife and Yoruba towns, but that is not the case then or now. There is no influence on language, culture, names. So what you are saying is lies. If you lord over people the influence will show. Empirical evidence, not folklores and stories. You only wish, buts it's in your widest imagination, because the difference is like black and white, no sign of such close ties, culturally and traditionally, even in the rites, spirituality, sounds. Think man. Edo people are warriors, conquerors...till today you can't find Edo people mass migrating to other regions, South South feeds us adequately...a proud people, they will never allow an outsider dictate to them.
Read what Erelu dosumu said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

https://www.legit.ng/1140874-confusion-lagos-ownership-a-conspiracy-erelu-kuti-lagos-abiola-dosunmu.html
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth03: 4:57pm On Oct 09, 2023
Both Jacob Egharevba and Bournadenko

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by creativehubb: 5:01pm On Oct 09, 2023
Christistruth03:
Both Jacob Egharevba and Bournadenko

Can you read this please, this woman knows the difference between Benin, Edo people, and Ile ife Yoruba...if ile'ife ruled over Benin like you said, she will know this, she will say she is from ile'ife ancestrally ( the parent kingdom), but she named Benin, Edo state. She stays in southwest, have a Yoruba title, so she has no reason to castigate Yoruba or yorubas, or hype Benin or Edo,. unless it's the truth.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

https://www.legit.ng/1140874-confusion-lagos-ownership-a-conspiracy-erelu-kuti-lagos-abiola-dosunmu.html
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth03: 5:01pm On Oct 09, 2023
creativehubb:

Lies...where is the source for this, I like to see it, an independent source. Anybody can say and write anything...But Edo and Yoruba were never one or intermixed like you claim, no sign or proof of this. You might know the history up to an extent, then you started spiting what your folks told you. No need to argue about this though, believe what you want, but I know the yorubas have nothing to do with our kingship and dynasty. The tradition and language is very different...if there had such early interactions, the yorubas culture and language would influence ours not vice versa, British influenced Nigeria because they lorded over us at a point, we speak English and have English names, the Cameroun people have french names etc. Edo people have several indegenous language and non sounds like Yoruba language, no Yoruba understand any of our language, our names are very different, symbols are different, arts very different.

The Benin Prince went to Ile'ife story is more feasible, because some streets of Lagos, like Idumagbo is Edo name, Osa means forest in Edo language (etiosa), the Oba of Benin used to have a shrine in a street I stayed in Lagos, and thirdly Benin emissaries use to collect toll somewhere around Lagos island. When the Erelu dosunmu was interviewed she said she was Benin, based on her ancestry(she knows the difference between the two, not same like you claim)...If they were so knitted as you claim, then you would have seen a lot of Edo people in Ile ife and Yoruba towns, but that is not the case then or now. There is no influence on language, culture, names. So what you are saying is lies. If you lord over people the influence will show. Empirical evidence, not folklores and stories. You only wish, buts it's in your widest imagination, because the difference is like black and white, no sign of such close ties, culturally and traditionally, even in the rites, spirituality, sounds. Think man. Edo people are warriors, conquerors.
Read what Erelu dosumu said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth03: 5:05pm On Oct 09, 2023
creativehubb:


Can you read this please, this woman knows the difference between Benin, Edo people, and Ile ife Yoruba...if ile'ife ruled over them like you said, she will know, this she will name ile'ife (if it is the parent kingdom), but she named Benin, Edo state.


The British researched and know the History very well too

There is no profit in lies

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by creativehubb: 5:12pm On Oct 09, 2023
Christistruth03:



The British researched and know the History very well too

There is no profit in lies


This is Erelu Dosunmu she is a titled Lagos Yoruba chief, she has no reason to lie or hype any side.you got a distorted version, and you embellished it for your ego, but this woman enjoys the benevolence of being Yoruba and a titled Yoruba chief. I will believe what she says, being a custodian of culture and the Yoruba heritage, I will believe her than to believe the British colonial thieves, who stole our priceless Ivory works and artefacts.
This is the link of the interview with Erelu Dosunmu- https://www.legit.ng/1140874-confusion-lagos-ownership-a-conspiracy-erelu-kuti-lagos-abiola-dosunmu.html

We are here to learn and widen our horizons, open your mind. Not doing this to show off, just to enlighten.

Think about it, how can Aworis from ile'ife paid passage dues, if Ille' ife were the parent kingdom as you claim.

You are speaking fallacy.

Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth00: 5:38pm On Oct 09, 2023
creativehubb:

This is Erelu Dosunmu she is a titled Lagos Yoruba chief, she has no reason to lie or hype any side.you got a distorted version, and you embellished it for your ego, but this woman enjoys the benevolence of being Yoruba and a titled Yoruba chief. I will believe what she says, being a custodian of culture and the Yoruba heritage, I will believe her than to believe the British colonial thieves, who stole our priceless Ivory works and artefacts.
This is the link of the interview with Erelu Dosunmu- https://www.legit.ng/1140874-confusion-lagos-ownership-a-conspiracy-erelu-kuti-lagos-abiola-dosunmu.html

We are here to learn and widen our horizons, open your mind. Not doing this to show off, just to enlighten.

Think about it, how can Aworis from ile'ife paid passage dues, if Ille' ife were the parent kingdom as you claim.

You are speaking fallacy.



The Awori Yorubas Own Lagos even till Today

The matter is so settled that there is nothing to drag

To their Credit I have never heard or seen the Oba Of Benin or anyone from his Palace dispute the Yoruba ownership of Lagos

Please supply any evidence you have of the Oba Of Benin or his Palace claiming that Lagos is not Yoruba

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Antoeni(m): 5:42pm On Oct 09, 2023
It's The Headquarters of Spiritism, Witchcraft & Wizardry, Demons, Ogun & Olokun
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Antoeni(m): 5:46pm On Oct 09, 2023
The Great Benin Empire Covers Across Lagos, Dahomey Togo
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Supremos: 5:54pm On Oct 09, 2023
EzegeNdiigbo:
Yes. What's so Special about Benin ❓❓
Please No offence

I just wanna know because the hype is catchy
I put it to you that you are not Igbo.
You're one of those criminals masquerading themselves as Igbos, using their handlers to stoke ethnic rivalry between Igbos and other ethnic nationalities.


I call on both Igbos and the good people of Benin to avoid this useless thread.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by creativehubb: 6:44pm On Oct 09, 2023
Christistruth00:



The Awori Yorubas Own Lagos even till Today

The matter is so settled that there is nothing to drag

To their Credit I have never heard or seen the Oba Of Benin or anyone from his Palace dispute the Yoruba ownership of Lagos

Please supply any evidence you have of the Oba Of Benin or his Palace claiming that Lagos is not Yoruba

Nobody is doubting about who owns it now, the aworis owned it because they stayed, Benin people left when the British expanded into Lagos, their influence of collecting taxes etc waned, the British invaded different parts of Lagos, Lagos island frontier, Epe frontier, and finally got the upper hand, and wrote a treaty with these Yoruba kings, and they signed, those treaties are still valid till today. The British promised them protection for access and influence.

I mentioned that period when taxes was being collected from aworis, to dispute and overrule your false claims...the fact that the Aworis 'Ile'ife princes' paid passage dues to the Benins whose main purpose there, was to create trade routes, get access to the sea, where they traded with the Portuguese from all front of Nigeria's waterways, and spread their influence. The Benin people had no plans to live there, they have their kingdom, so the Benin people's influence waned when the British started playing a prominent role (via their colonial thieves sent by the Queen), along the Lagos coastal corridor, when the British started wielding more influence the Benin influence waned.

If Benin and ile'Ife had that connection the Aworis won't pay that passage. This is why I brought that up here, I never said Benin owned Lagos, their aim was not to stay, the people that stayed owns the place. The Benin people had their kingdom, they didn't come to Lagos to stay but to make trading and expand. Till today Edo people like staying in their region...they love their region.

The note you posted is from untrusted sources, the names am seeing there are not Nigerians, that article is fiction, written and posted to suit a narrative...it makes no sense, send verifiable links.

Please read this interview.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/lagos-is-an-extension-of-benin-erelu-dosunmu/%3famp

NB: @Op am sure by now you know what is special about Benin.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by DMerciful(m): 7:47pm On Oct 09, 2023
We love the Edos. The Op is trying to clash Binis and Igbos and you're falling for it
spearman:
They built a civilization unlike forest Ibos.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by spearman(m): 8:15pm On Oct 09, 2023
DMerciful:
We love the Edos. The Op is trying to clash Binis and Igbos and you're falling for it

https://www.nairaland.com/7842286/igbo-soldiers-plotted-coup-independence#125818602

Major General David Ejoor, Midwest Governor.

The Igbos wanted to rule. Why they wanted to rule was that (Nnamdi) Azikiwe was the then Governor-General and more or less Head of State. The constitution did not give any power to Azikiwe. So, this annoyed the Igbo people and they used to say: “How can we run a constitution in which the Head of State cannot advise the government, the government cannot contact the Head of State for any advice?” So, the answer was well to take over since they were already leading and yet they had no control over the government. That was why the Igbo soldiers decided to organise a coup.


The civil war was straightforward. the Igbo wanted to take over the ruling of Nigeria . When all these cunny-cunny actions that people who were preventing them from organising a coup had not been killed, that is Gowon and I, the only thing left was to have a civil war. That was why there was a civil war and in the civil war, the first place Ojukwu attacked was the Mid-West. The Igbo tried to rule Nigeria by force, what they cannot do through the ballot box; they tried it through coup. They tried the coup, it failed and now decided to do a civil war. It was a contract. That is the basic thing.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by DMerciful(m): 8:17pm On Oct 09, 2023
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by spearman(m): 8:56pm On Oct 09, 2023
DMerciful:
False history
Sure. Only Ibos hold the truth to all things and know everyone's history better than them.

Re: What So Special About Benin?? by DMerciful(m): 8:59pm On Oct 09, 2023
Same Nzeogwu that you guys criticize from morning till night was given a national burial by Nigerian govt. Even Awolowo wasn't given a national burial. You never asked why? !
spearman:

Sure. Only Ibos hold the truth to all things and know everyone's history better than them.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by DECLAN2015(m): 9:02pm On Oct 09, 2023
Dest8sman:
Bini colonized Yoruba land. Till today, their son still rule Lagos Island.

And yoruba son rule bini
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by DECLAN2015(m): 9:07pm On Oct 09, 2023
creativehubb:

Lies...where is the source for this, I like to see it, an independent source. Anybody can say and write anything...But Edo and Yoruba were never one or intermixed like you claim, no sign or proof of this. You might know the history up to an extent, then you started spiting what your folks told you. No need to argue about this though, believe what you want, but I know the yorubas have nothing to do with our kingship and dynasty. The tradition and language is very different...if there had such early interactions, the yorubas culture and language would influence ours not vice versa, British influenced Nigeria because they lorded over us at a point, we speak English and have English names, the Cameroun people have french names etc. Edo people have several indegenous language and non sounds like Yoruba language, no Yoruba understand any of our language, our names are very different, symbols are different, arts very different.

The Benin Prince going to Ile'ife story, becoming a ruler there and exporting the oba title to the yorubas, is more feasible, because some streets of Lagos, like Idumagbo is Edo name, Osa means forest in Edo language (etiosa), the Oba of Benin used to have a shrine in a street I stayed in Lagos, and thirdly Benin emissaries use to collect toll somewhere around Lagos island. When the Erelu dosunmu was interviewed she said she was Benin, based on her ancestry(she knows the difference between the two, not same like you claim)...If they were so knitted as you claim, then you would have seen a lot of Edo people in Ile ife and Yoruba towns, but that is not the case then or now. There is no influence on language, culture, names. So what you are saying is lies. If you lord over people the influence will show. Empirical evidence, not folklores and stories. You only wish, buts it's in your widest imagination, because the difference is like black and white, no sign of such close ties, culturally and traditionally, even in the rites, spirituality, sounds. Think man. Edo people are warriors, conquerors...till today you can't find Edo people mass migrating to other regions, South South feeds us adequately...a proud people, they will never allow an outsider dictate to them.
Read what Erelu dosumu said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

https://www.legit.ng/1140874-confusion-lagos-ownership-a-conspiracy-erelu-kuti-lagos-abiola-dosunmu.html


They so much this Lagos history
The thing make them special forgetting that the place is a trade route
The core yoruba hx is that of ice or oyo.
The first king is a yoruba prince oranmiyan no be so
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by spearman(m): 9:19pm On Oct 09, 2023
Christistruth00:


It is also in Jacob Egherevba's book "A short History of Benin"

Jacob Egherevba was a Benin high Chief he too confirmed that it was from Ile Ife that the first Ogiso Obagodo came

Benin people have condemned Egherevba for what he postulated in his book. They accused him of being heavily influenced by his Ado-Akure heritage. It is on record that shortly before he died he renounced the view point in his book following evidence provided him by Benin historians.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth03: 9:50pm On Oct 09, 2023
spearman:


Benin people have condemned Egherevba for what he postulated in his book. They accused him of being heavily influenced by his Ado-Akure heritage. It is on record that shortly before he died he renounced the view point in his book following evidence provided him by Benin historians.


After Jacob Egharevba wrote a Short History of Benin the Oba of Benin rewarded him by making him a high Chief
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth03: 9:52pm On Oct 09, 2023
DECLAN2015:


They so much this Lagos history
The thing make them special forgetting that the place is a trade route
The core yoruba hx is that of ice or oyo.
The first king is a yoruba prince oranmiyan no be so



The Awori Owners of Lagos are not Oyos
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by spearman(m): 10:31pm On Oct 09, 2023
Christistruth03:



After Jacob Egharevba wrote a Short History of Benin the Oba of Benin rewarded him by making him a high Chief

Oba Eradiauwa at his book launch dealing on this issue and detailing the Benin narrative criticized Egbarevba publicly on this issue. You will not find any other historian except Egharevba with this narrative,

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Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Christistruth00: 10:49pm On Oct 09, 2023
DECLAN2015:


And yoruba son rule bini

Benin is even a Yoruba Name Ile ibinu

Land of Vexation

But Oranmiyan didn't know that the real Sons of Vexation were still on the other Side of River Niger

I wonder what Oranmiyan would have called their own Land

Ile Baba Ibinu ( land of the Father of Vexation)
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by OVB123: 1:43am On Oct 10, 2023
Firstcitizen:
Benin is special because if not for the crimes of the British it would have been one of the most advanced countries in Africa cheesy
You spoke my mind.
Re: What So Special About Benin?? by Fira09(m): 4:16am On Oct 10, 2023
Mufasa27:

Good school but most of una Youths are dullards you see them on Social media boasting of cultism... That's all they talk about, una names no dey list of people wey get the highest score for WAEC or JAMB, business no dey thrive for una land na so so violence, una no get shame ??
About 3 students from the minority tribe (Edo) came out as the top 10 candidates in just the concluded JAMB. 1 of the best-performing schools in this year's WAEC came from Edo state(Lumen Christi).

Business doesn't prevail in Edo land? Are you this daft? You are not exposed in any bit.

This might even be coming from either a head slammer or the dirtiest tribe called Yoruba.

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