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Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by pansophist(m): 10:36pm On Dec 04, 2023
kkins25:
And burn, and burn, suffer suffer, but......... He loves you不不不不不不不不不不不不

Can't believe i used to believe and defend this shit.. 唐唐.. My future self looking back at me like "see mumu"

He loves you, and he needs money lol grin

He is all-knowing, omnipotent, and omniscient, the beginning and the end, but somehow, he just can't manage money. And he needs money every day, from poor people that he should bless.

Jesus blessed people, fed them bread and fish, healed the sick, and paid the ultimate price by dying on the cross of calvary. But new generational pastors have commercialized religion, its now the only open fraud that is not taxed.

Na wa

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Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by kkins25(m): 10:43pm On Dec 05, 2023
pansophist:


He loves you, and he needs money lol grin

He is all- knowing, omnipotent, and omniscient, the beginning and the end, but somehow, he just can't manage money. And he needs money every day, from poor people that he should bless.

Jesus blessed people, fed them bread and fish, healed the sick, and paid the ultimate price by dying on the cross of calvary. But new generational pastors have commercialized religion, its now the only open fraud that is not taxed.

Na wa
Crazy thing is, these qualities are no where to be found in the bible. There's this man i love to watch on TikTok, I think Dan Mcclean or so. He recently won the award for Scholarly something something. He basically tackles biblical misinterpretations.

Get this, the bible isn't a univocal document. For example, nothing, concerns the book of daniel with the book of Isiah, just like nothing concerns the old testament with the new testament. Plus, YWHW doesn't discredit the existence of other dieties. He simply wants a particular group of people to worship him.

There's not one single mention of lucifer/satan, in the sense that we know him in the bible. He literally is a made up character. grin grin grin grin

Baal and Yhwh are old time buddies, infact, the so called El-shaddai, is nothing more than a transcription of Baal into yhwy. But, not saying ywh came from Baal, just that, the jews did what they do best. Steal the identities of other gods, and dash to ywh.... Baal and YWHW are both thunder gods. In the same sense as we see thor and shango. Like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not to mention that when Apst. Paul said, we fight not men but principalities... he was actually referring to the government. The government is the principalities and power, but good old King James had that section removed. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

So, Ywhw, the diety, is a son of El, but upgraded to EL. It's in the fvcking bible that EL assigned the jews to ywhw.... but, thoes part of the bible no concern Christians.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Dtruthspeaker: 10:54pm On Dec 05, 2023
kkins25:

Crazy thing is, these qualities are no where to be found in the bible. There's this man i love to watch on TikTok, I think Dan Mcclean or so. He recently won the award for Scholarly something something. He basically tackles biblical misinterpretations.

Get this, the bible isn't a univocal document. For example, nothing, concerns the book of daniel with the book of Isiah, just like nothing concerns the old testament with the new testament. Plus, YWHW doesn't discredit the existence of other dieties. He simply wants a particular group of people to worship him.

There's not one single mention of lucifer/satan, in the sense that we know him in the bible. He literally is a made up character. grin grin grin grin

Baal and Yhwh are old time buddies, infact, the so called El-shaddai, is nothing more than a transcription of Baal into yhwy. But, not saying ywh came from Baal, just that, the jews did what they do best. Steal the identities of other gods, and dash to ywh.... Baal and YWHW are both thunder gods. In the same sense as we see thor and shango. Like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not to mention that when Apst. Paul said, we fight not men but principalities... he was actually referring to the government. The government is the principalities and power, but good old King James had that section removed. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

So, Ywhw, the diety, is a son of El, but upgraded to EL. It's in the fvcking bible that EL assigned the jews to ywhw.... but, thoes part of the bible no concern Christians.

With all of these lies and blasphemies you then imagine that God won't punish you hotly?

"Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy,"

Everyday for the blasphemer but Forever belongeth to God.

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Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by kkins25(m): 11:03pm On Dec 05, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


With all of these lies and blasphemies you then imagine that God won't punish you hotly?

"Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy,"

Everyday for the blasphemer but Forever belongeth to God.



Learn hebrew, at least, then pick the bible and read again. You'll probably go into shock, and maybe die of heart attack after realizing that all you've been taught, are lies....
You can also search for @Dan...... sorry can't recall the name.. will update this later.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Dtruthspeaker: 11:07pm On Dec 05, 2023
kkins25:

Learn hebrew, at least, then pick the bible and read again. You'll probably go into shock, and maybe die of heart attack after realizing that all you've been taught, are lies....
You can also search for @Dan...... sorry can't recall the name.. will update this later.

No one needs to learn Hebrew or Mandarin to know thst every offence shall be punished.

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Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by hammed71(m): 7:05am On Dec 06, 2023
So one question sir/Ma if we were already practicing our African traditional religion before the colonial masters came and introduce foreign religions like Christianity and Islam, are we not committing sins against our own African Gods.
The Christians/Hebrew believe that if you follow any other God except Jehovah and Jesus we are committing sins. Likewise the Muslims too who introduced Islam to us in Africa.
So what makes the foreigners religion and god's so special that we have to drop our own gods and religion for them., why is the majority in China and India not practicing Islam and Christianity.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Dtruthspeaker: 7:33am On Dec 06, 2023
hammed71:
So one question sir/Ma if we were already practicing our African traditional religion before the colonial masters came and introduce foreign religions like Christianity and Islam, are we not committing sins against our own African Gods.

First of all Look at our local names for God, They are still exactly the acknowledgment and descriptions of God.

Secondly, look at our Native laws are they not almost the same with Gods Laws which is Fear, and Respect and Love God? He gave us these good things we see so thank Him? Thereis enough for everyone so you don't need to steal? Don't lie, don't kill, don't harm another person etc.

And looking at the way we kept our blessings in Africa, clearly God was pleased with us.

hammed71:

The Christians/Hebrew believe that if you follow any other God except Jehovah and Jesus we are committing sins. Likewise the Muslims too who introduced Islam to us in Africa.
So what makes the foreigners religion and god's so special that we have to drop our own gods and religion for them., why is the majority in China and India not practicing Islam and Christianity.

Whether Christianity Says so or not, you already know that you commit offences and you are going to answer for them, so solve your offence problems
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by hammed71(m): 7:52am On Dec 06, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


First of all Look at our local names for God, They are still exactly the acknowledgment and descriptions of God.

Secondly, look at our Native laws are they not almost the same with Gods Laws which is Fear, and Respect and Love God? He gave us these good things we see so thank Him? Thereis enough for everyone so you don't need to steal? Don't lie, don't kill, don't harm another person etc.

And looking at the way we kept our blessings in Africa, clearly God was pleased with us.



Whether Christianity Says so or not, you already know that you commit offences and you are going to answer for them, so solve your offence problems
of course sango obatala orunmila amadioha were great description of Gods.since our native laws were already the same with God's I don't the reason to leave our traditional religion and laws for foreign ones like Christianity and islam or are they more better.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Kobojunkie: 6:52pm On Dec 06, 2023
hammed71:
of course sango obatala orunmila amadioha were great description of Gods. since our native laws were already the same with God's I don't the reason to leave our traditional religion and laws for foreign ones like Christianity and islam or are they more better.
Your native laws were already the same with that of the God of Israel? Make una dey softly softly tell these una lies abeg! undecided

If you wish to argue on behalf of your native deities do so without believing you necessarily need to compete with the foreign ones as you reveal your ignorance of both the local and foreign deities when you do so. undecided
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Dtruthspeaker: 8:39pm On Dec 06, 2023
hammed71:
of course sango obatala orunmila amadioha were great description of Gods.since our native laws were already the same with God's I don't the reason to leave our traditional religion and laws for foreign ones like Christianity and islam or are they more better.

As travelling with a car is better than travelling On foot or on donkey so is Christianity better than our local traditions one of which includes disposing those eerie things made by men in depiction of a deity while showing us that truly God would not want to be honoured and respected in those ways but in a more reasonable and a very clean way.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by gameova(m): 11:00am On Jan 22
Hell is Prepared for Satan and his demons alone smiley
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Kobojunkie: 4:47pm On Jan 22
gameova:
Hell is Prepared for Satan and his demons alone smiley
And those demons(the goats in the Kingdom of God written of in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46) are the born-agains(possessing of eternal life - John 3 vs 1 - 21) humans who refused to obey God's Law after entering into Covenant(The Gospel) with Him the children of the devil. undecided
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Aemmyjah(m): 5:02pm On Jan 22
Hellfire is not a Bible teaching
It is from Plato that some people brought into corrupted christendom
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:23pm On Jan 22
gameova:

Hell is Prepared for Satan and his demons alone smiley
Hell literally means Grave a place of inactivity so it is meant for PERFECT beings who chose to rebel against God like Satan, Adam and Eve then all angels that followed their footsteps but as for imperfect humans God doesn't want any to return to inexistence after tasting how good life is but if any deliberately choose to go into extinction God won't force them they've made their choice! smiley
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by vdestro: 6:58pm On Jan 22
Aemmyjah:
Hellfire is not a Bible teaching
It is from Plato that some people brought into corrupted christendom

So its plato who wrote Mathew 18:9 and Mark 9 :43.

Stop deceiving yourselves and deceiving others. Their blood will be on your head.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by gameova(m): 8:51pm On Jan 22
Kobojunkie:
And those demons(the goats in the Kingdom of God written of in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46) are the born-agains(possessing of eternal life - John 3 vs 1 - 21) humans who refused to obey God's Law after entering into Covenant(The Gospel) with Him the children of the devil. undecided
There is no more condemnation for those in Christ. Dead or alive, all humanity salvation is sure, no matter the religion you were born into or the sin you have committed even Hitler is saved.
Jesus is lord over all

Satan is trembling already as he knows his time is very short and will be finally destroyed forever

To God be the Glory

Side note: Eternity is really long time to consider minute sins. The Lord of host is holy and very wise and has revealed the hidden and mysterious things to his Sons

Yahshua Hamashiak will reign forever

Amen
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Kobojunkie: 9:05pm On Jan 22
gameova:
There is no more condemnation for those in Christ. Dead or alive, all humanity salvation is sure, no matter the religion you were born into or the sin you have committed even Hitler is saved. Jesus is lord over all Satan is trembling already as he knows his time is very short and will be finally destroyed forever To God be the Glory Side note: Eternity is really long time to consider minute sins. The Lord of host is holy and very wise and has revealed the hidden and mysterious things to his Sons Yahshua Hamashiak will reign forever Amen
This religious gobbledegook makes little to no sense to me given none of these ideas are of Scripture. undecided
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by gameova(m): 9:30pm On Jan 22
Kobojunkie:
This religious gobbledegook makes little to no sense to me given none of these ideas are of Scripture. undecided
Okay, goodluck finding hidden mysteries of God in the scripture alone without the help of the holy spirit

I'm done with you here

Please don't bother replying, thanks.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Aemmyjah(m): 7:01am On Jan 23
vdestro:


So its plato who wrote Mathew 18:9 and Mark 9 :43.

Stop deceiving yourselves and deceiving others. Their blood will be on your head.

Go and do research on hellfire na
Jeremiah 32:35
Furthermore, they built the high places of Ba妏al in the Valley of the Son of Hin妏nom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire to Mo妏lech, something that I had not commanded them and that had never come into my heart to do such a detestable thing, causing Judah to sin.
. The idea of burning humans is detestable and did not come to his heart


Psalm 103:9
9He will not always find fault, Nor will he stay resentful forever. God does not keep his anger infinitely. He executes judgement once and for all time

John 3:16
16For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.. Those that reject God's son will perish or be destroyed




Romans 6:7
7For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin... Once someone is dead, that is the end of it. He has paid for his own sins and no other judgement on him as a dead soul.



Romans 6:23
23For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord... Death is the wage or penalty for sin and everlasting life is gift, not a punishment from God.

Deuteronomy 32:4
The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and upright is he... Punishing someone for all eternity cos of sins he committed for few or several years (sometimes out of ignorance) is gross injustice.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by vdestro: 7:53am On Jan 23
Aemmyjah:

Go and do research on hellfire na
Jeremiah 32:35
Furthermore, they built the high places of Ba妏al in the Valley of the Son of Hin妏nom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire to Mo妏lech, something that I had not commanded them and that had never come into my heart to do such a detestable thing, causing Judah to sin.
. The idea of burning humans is detestable and did not come to his heart

Now you have changed post from Plato.

So as God Said do not kill it means He can't and won't kill? .

You are just showing what scriptures you are using to delude yourself since you do not want to face the clear words in Mathew 18:9 and Mark 9:43

So also did God not want man to die, but it was done already, even you have told atheists this when it came up, so face the Truth.

Denial is a wall that always falls on the day the of invasion and attack. It is a fence only in times of peace.

Stop deceiving yourselves and deceiving others. Their blood will be on your head.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Aemmyjah(m): 8:30am On Jan 23
vdestro:


Now you have changed post from Plato.

So as God Said do not kill it means He can't and won't kill? .

You are just showing what scriptures you are using to delude yourself since you do not want to face the clear words in Mathew 18:9 and Mark 9:43

So also did God not want man to die, but it was done already, even you have told atheists this when it came up, so face the Truth.

Denial is a wall that always falls on the day the of invasion and attack. It is a fence only in times of peace.

Stop deceiving yourselves and deceiving others. Their blood will be on your head.

Kill means to put an end to the life of someone

Hellfire is burning him for eternity
God's command not to kill was about unjust killing of fellow humans
There are other situations where they were commanded to kill

Nowhere does burning alive come in

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Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Janosky: 10:36am On Jan 23
vdestro:


Now you have changed post from Plato.

So as God Said do not kill it means He can't and won't kill? .

You are just showing what scriptures you are using to delude yourself since you do not want to face the clear words in Mathew 18:9 and Mark 9:43

So also did God not want man to die, but it was done already, even you have told atheists this when it came up, so face the Truth.

Denial is a wall that always falls on the day the of invasion and attack. It is a fence only in times of peace.

Stop deceiving yourselves and deceiving others. Their blood will be on your head.

Matthew 18:9
"And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into fiery Gehenna"

Oga Vdestro, @Matthew 18:9 &Mark 9:43,Is Gehenna in the time of Jesus Christ a place of perpetual torture?



Please stop deceiving yourself. grin
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Janosky: 10:43am On Jan 23
Aemmyjah:


Kill means to put an end to the life of someone

Hellfire is burning him for eternity
God's command not to kill was about unjust killing of fellow humans
There are other situations where they were commanded to kill

Nowhere does burning alive come in

When him pikin disobey him instructions,Make Vdestro put him pikin hand on top of burning gas cooker from morning till night & post the evidence on this forum if torture dey sweet am grin grin

Their own conscience can't justify perpetual torture. But they desire God to torture their fellow man perpetually.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Aemmyjah(m): 11:57am On Jan 23
Janosky:


When him pikin disobey him instructions,Make Vdestro put him pikin hand on top of burning gas cooker from morning till night & post the evidence on this forum if torture dey sweet am grin grin

Their own conscience can't justify perpetual torture. But they desire God to torture their fellow man perpetually.

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Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by vdestro: 5:48pm On Jan 23
Janosky:


When him pikin disobey him instructions,Make Vdestro put him pikin hand on top of burning gas cooker from morning till night & post the evidence on this forum if torture dey sweet am grin grin

Their own conscience can't justify perpetual torture. But they desire God to torture their fellow man perpetually.

Stop being unreasonable. Every reasonable person knows that great punishment awaits great crimes and disobediences. Eg Re: Yahoo Boy Arrested Attempting To Use His Girlfriend For Ritual Money (video) by Creamypie(m): 7:57pm On Jan 22
The reason People go into crime is because there is no enforcements of punishment. ...
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Unfortunately for you, you may escape mans's courts and punishment only to run into God's Own Court, (Judgment Day) and.Punishment (hellfire) for all the crimes you.committed and you thought you escaped with.

And clearly God is not punishing man for a single offence. Nor is He even punishing for a thousand crimes. But for the millions and millions felonies and capital offences., which you people commit during your life on earth like all the stealing and murders committed by politicians, catholics, Muslims and atheists.

So if R. Kelly can be punished with 30years in mans hellfire, FOR JUST THIS ONE CASE IN WHICH HE WAS FOUND GUILTY OF, HOW MANY MILLIONS OF YEARS WOULD HE GET WHEN GOD COUNTS ALL OF HIS CRIME ON UNDERAGE GIRLS ALONE?

NOT TO TALK OF HIS OTHER CASES ON ADULTERY AND MURDER AND STEALING AND LYING.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by vdestro: 5:56pm On Jan 23
Janosky:


Matthew 18:9
"And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into fiery Gehenna"

Oga Vdestro, @Matthew 18:9 &Mark 9:43,Is Gehenna in the time of Jesus Christ a place of perpetual torture?

Please stop deceiving yourself. grin

You still used the word "fiery" in yourattempt to deceive yourself and others which still means "fire hell" or fire in hell or hell in fire

Fiery-
consisting of fire or burning strongly and brightly.


So, you are doing like Satan in deceiving others.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by vdestro: 6:05pm On Jan 23
Aemmyjah:


Kill means to put an end to the life of someone

Hellfire is burning him for eternity
God's commandnot to kill was about unjust killing of fellow humans
There are other situations where they were commanded to kill

Nowhere does burning alive come in

Thank God you.said God's Command which was to man and all you the things here are about what man can do or not do.

But Hellfire is what God Said He will use to punish the guilty. So you are talking off point, yet again.

You may deceive yourself but surely you are no different from Satan when you deceive others.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Aemmyjah(m): 6:08pm On Jan 23
vdestro:


Thank God you.said God's Command which was to man and all you the things here are about what man can do or not do.

But Hellfire is what God Said He will use to punish the guilty. So you are talking off point, yet again.

You may deceive yourself but surely you are no different from Satan when you deceive others.


Everlasting life is a gift, not a punishment
The idea of roasting humans in an everlasting fire is not from God
Adam is dead and dust but he passed sin to us
Na you wan go hellfire?
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by vdestro: 3:39pm On Jan 24
Aemmyjah:


Everlasting life is a gift, not a punishment
The idea of roasting humans in an everlasting fire is not from God
Adam is dead and dust but he passed sin to us
Na you wan go hellfire?

The question God has laid before man is which everlasting life do you want?

1) Everlasting life in eternal contempt and condemnation in the world of hellfire or
2) Everlasting life in world of heaven and earth.

Adam died and all men followed after him, and we have seen that it is the flesh part of man which turned to dust and not his spirit called soul as Samuel, Lazarus, Jairus daughter etc all show.

So, Adam died in the flesh as he had set for all of us but Adam's soul is alive waiting for Judgment Day, like Samuel, Lazarus, Jairus daughter and all of us, for transmission to the new worlds we have earned.

So denying what God has Said that He shall do, will never stop God from doing it, as the people of Noah learnt too late.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Aemmyjah(m): 4:44pm On Jan 24
vdestro:


The question God has laid before man is which everlasting life do you want?

1) Everlasting life in eternal contempt and condemnation in the world of hellfire or
2) Everlasting life in world of heaven and earth.

Adam died and all men followed after him, and we have seen that it is the flesh part of man which turned to dust and not his spirit called soul as Samuel, Lazarus, Jairus daughter etc all show.

So, Adam died in the flesh as he had set for all of us but Adam's soul is alive waiting for Judgment Day, like Samuel, Lazarus, Jairus daughter and all of us, for transmission to the new worlds we have earned.

So denying what God has Said that He shall do, will never stop God from doing it, as the people of Noah learnt too late.


E be like say u de read back of Bible
You're misinformed sir
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by vdestro: 6:45pm On Jan 24
Aemmyjah:


E be like say u de read back of Bible
You're misinformed sir


Don't be ignore-ant! The bible only gave us the firstest sin in the world and the firstest punishment that followed it. But the mere fact that the bible did not tell us their second and third sins, would common sense not tell you that they continued to rack up more sins just as you yourself have experienced and seen?

And you already know that God must attend to these unattended sins, so common sense should tell you that they too are in Awaiting Trial cell aka grave.

And this is where you see why Christ left the grave for He can not be tried.
Re: Hell Fire Is Not Logical by Aemmyjah(m): 8:05pm On Jan 24
vdestro:


Don't be ignore-ant! The bible only gave us the firstest sin the world and the firstest punishment that followed it. But the mere fact that the bible did not tell us their second and third sins, would common sense not tell you that they continued to rack up more sins just as you yourself have experienced and seen?

And you already know that God must attend to these unattended sins, so common sense should tell you that they too are in Awaiting Trial cell aka grave.

And this is where you see why Christ left the grave for He can not be tried.

The wages of sins is what?
Is there an exclusion to such wage?

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