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The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by AntiChristian: 3:48pm On Feb 08
The Spirit of Truth
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

The Spirit of Killing 30 People to steal their clothes for betting
Then the Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. He went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men, stripped them of everything and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he returned to his father’s home (Judges 14:19).

The Spirit of killing Lion
...As they approached the vineyards of Timnah, suddenly a young lion came roaring toward him. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done. (Judges 14:5-6).

Sirtee15
TenQ
Expanse2020
FxMasterz

Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!

Sirtee15 Na four persons your God be now?
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by FxMasterz: 3:52pm On Feb 08
AntiChristian:
The Spirit of Truth
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

The Spirit of Killing 30 People to steal their clothes for betting


The Spirit of killing Lion


Sirtee15
TenQ
Expanse2020
FxMasterz

Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!

Sirtee15 Na four persons your God be now?

Your cup will soon be full. If this is all your brains could still come up with after all that you have read in responses so far, then all I can
say is "may God have mercy on you."
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by Antiislaam(m): 3:58pm On Feb 08
AntiChristian:
The Spirit of Truth
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

The Spirit of Killing 30 People to steal their clothes for betting


The Spirit of killing Lion


Sirtee15
TenQ
Expanse2020
FxMasterz

Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!

Sirtee15 Na four persons your God be now?

The food that sent Muhammad and his people to grave

Narrated AbuSalamah: Muhammad ibn Amr said on the authority of AbuSalamah, and he did not mention the name of AbuHurayrah: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) used to accept presents but not alms (sadaqah).
This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) ate of it and the people also ate.

He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur al-Ansari died.

So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?

She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4512 (Dar-us-Salam Ref)


Here are the questions:

AntiChristian:


1. Why can't allah help Muhammad detecting the poisonous food the lady served him and his people?

2. How many people perished along with Muhammad when him and his people were poisoned to death?

3. Did you think Muhammad was a true prophet as the lady that poisoned him to death challenged him that if he was a genuine prophet the food won't harm him?
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by TenQ: 5:44pm On Feb 08
AntiChristian:
The Spirit of Truth
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

The Spirit of Killing 30 People to steal their clothes for betting


The Spirit of killing Lion


Sirtee15
TenQ
Expanse2020
FxMasterz

Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!

Sirtee15 Na four persons your God be now?
The Holy Spirit is God Empowering people to DO or ACHIEVE objectives depending on the ROLE a person is expected to play amongst the people of God.

Abilities the Holy Spirit confers can be ANYTHING as needed by the people of God. The is why He is called the Spirit of GRACE!

Abilities the Holy Spirit confers may range from
Prophecies
Miracles
Healing
Knowledge
Wisdom
Strength
Vision
Salvation

etc etc.

For Samson, he had strength and he used the strength the way it pleased him (to his ultimate peril). Samson was went rogue with the Grace upon his life and disregarded every rule of Purity of a Nazarite!
The Holy Spirit NEVER forces people to do anything!

To your Observations :
John 16:13 is not the first time the Holy Spirit is coming upon people. In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit used only selected people. In the new testament, the Holy Spirit seals EVERY BELIEVER by in dwelling them and make them Sons of God!




Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”

3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by AntiChristian: 8:43am On Feb 09
TenQ:

The Holy Spirit is God Empowering people to DO or ACHIEVE objectives depending on the ROLE a person is expected to play amongst the people of God.

Abilities the Holy Spirit confers can be ANYTHING as needed by the people of God. The is why He is called the Spirit of GRACE!

Abilities the Holy Spirit confers may range from
Prophecies
Miracles
Healing
Knowledge
Wisdom
Strength
Vision
Salvation

etc etc.

For Samson, he had strength and he used the strength the way it pleased him (to his ultimate peril). Samson was went rogue with the Grace upon his life and disregarded every rule of Purity of a Nazarite!
The Holy Spirit NEVER forces people to do anything!

To your Observations :
John 16:13 is not the first time the Holy Spirit is coming upon people. In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit used only selected people. In the new testament, the Holy Spirit seals EVERY BELIEVER by in dwelling them and make them Sons of God!



The thread is only for your questions. You can start your questions on your thread as you dey do!

You didn't include Holy Spirit supporting betting, killing and stealing in the list? Samson made a bet. And the spirit helped him fulfill the bet by killing and stealing!

Did the Holy Spirit change from OT to NT in the way he operates?
Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by TenQ: 8:51am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


The thread is only for your questions. You can start your questions on your thread as you dey do!

You didn't include Holy Spirit supporting betting, killing and stealing in the list? Samson made a bet. And the spirit helped him fulfill the bet by killing and stealing!

Did the Holy Spirit change from OT to NT in the way he operates?
Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!
Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

AGAIN :

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”

3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by AntiChristian: 9:10am On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


Your cup will soon be full. If this is all your brains could still come up with after all that you have read in responses so far, then all I can
say is "may God have mercy on you."

May God forgive you too for all your lies!

Better repent!
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by AntiChristian: 9:21am On Feb 09
TenQ:

Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.


Stop the lies! The Holy spirt did not guide Samson in any way! If Samson was guided he won't have killed Lion and 30 people while being empowered by the same spirit just to fulfill a bet!

Where did the Holy Spirit guide Samson in the Bible?
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by FxMasterz: 9:22am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


May God forgive you too for all your lies!

Better repent!

Allah told you that I'm lying just in order to deceive your soul. Some day, God would open your eyes to the truth if indeed you're a seeker of Truth.

I've been a Muslim, so I understand where you are are talking from. You're as ignorant as I was when I was following a dead Mohammed. My dad was an extremely zealous Muslim who came from a generation of Muslims himself before Christ met him.
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by AntiChristian: 9:26am On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


Allah told you that I'm lying just in order to deceive your soul. Some day, God would open your eyes to the truth if indeed you're a seeker of Truth.

I've been a Muslim, so I understand where you are are talking from. You're as ignorant as I was when I was following a dead Mohammed.

I have been a Christian too!

CAC, Catholic, Celestial and MFM!

Jesus is dead to this world too just as Adam, Moses and others are!
There's nothing wrong in calling Muhammad dead!
May the peace and blessings of Allah be on them all!
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by FxMasterz: 9:31am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


I have been a Christian too!

CAC, Catholic, Celestial and MFM!

Jesus is dead to this world too just as Adam, Moses and others are!
There's nothing wrong in calling Muhammad dead!
May the peace and blessings of Allah be on them all!

No my friend.

Jesus is alive. Even your Quran says so.
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by AntiChristian: 9:34am On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


No my friend.

Jesus is alive. Even your Quran says so.

Read what I wrote again!
He is dead to this world!

Stop mentioning the Qur'an you don't understand!

Can you communicate with him and get a feedback as you do to me now?
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by FxMasterz: 9:38am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


Read what I wrote again!
He is dead to this world!

Stop mentioning the Qur'an you don't understand!

Can you communicate with him and get a feedback as you do to me now?


If He's dead to this world, He wouldn't be saving souls, baptizing people with His Holy Spirit and healing the sick as He does today.

And you'll agree with me that Mohammed is not just dead to this world. He's completely dead.
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by AntiChristian: 9:53am On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


If He's dead to this world, He wouldn't be saving souls, baptizing people with His Holy Spirit and healing the sick as He does today.

And you'll agree with me that Mohammed is not just dead to this world. He's completely dead.

All Prophets from Adam, Abraham, Moses to Muhammad are dead to this world! Jesus is dead to this world and can't even save himself!

That's why Jesus said "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me". John 5:30
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by TenQ: 11:17am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


Stop the lies! The Holy spirt did not guide Samson in any way! If Samson was guided he won't have killed Lion and 30 people while being empowered by the same spirit just to fulfill a bet!

Where did the Holy Spirit guide Samson in the Bible?
If you don't believe how the Holy Spirit works in Judaism and Christianity, you should at least know how he functions in Islam.

My Questions are waiting for you.
Are you a coward!?
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by AntiChristian: 12:31pm On Feb 09
TenQ:

If you don't believe how the Holy Spirit works in Judaism and Christianity, you should at least know how he functions in Islam.

My Questions are waiting for you.
Are you a coward!?

Holy Spirit in Islam is Jubril!

Anything over that is out of Islam!

Holy Spirit empowered Samson to kill. Holy Spirit was in David yet it was useless in letting David commit murder and fornication!
Holy Spirit in the NT go dey perfect as Jesus his brother is around! grin
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by Antiislaam(m): 8:30am On Feb 10
AntiChristian:
The Spirit of Truth
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

The Spirit of Killing 30 People to steal their clothes for betting


The Spirit of killing Lion


Sirtee15
TenQ
Expanse2020
FxMasterz

Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!

Sirtee15 Na four persons your God be now?

Before talking about spirit, are you aware that allah and Muhammad did not Know what Spirit Is?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4721
Narrated `Abdullah:
While I was in the company of the Prophet (ﷺ) on a farm and he was reclining on a palm leave stalk, some Jews passed by. Some of them said to the others. "Ask him (the Prophet (ﷺ) about the spirit." Some of them said, "What urges you to ask him about it" Others said, "(Don't) lest he should give you a reply which you dislike." But they said, "Ask him." So they asked him about the Spirit. The Prophet (ﷺ) kept quiet and did not give them any answer. I knew that he was being divinely inspired so I stayed at my place. When the divine inspiration had been revealed, the Prophet (ﷺ) said. "They ask you (O, Muhammad) concerning the Spirit, Say: "The spirit," its knowledge is with my Lord; and of knowledge you (mankind) have been given only a Little." (17.85)
Re: The Spirit Of Truth Vs Spirit Of The Lord In Samson by stunnert(m): 12:23pm On Feb 10
Religion is a feel good drug

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